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Antonio Gates Value (1 Viewer)
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Koya
Footballguy
I just traded for him last week... was when A Johnson was looking to play this past week or this coming week (before the news it might be until week 11). I traded away AJ with Kevin Walter, Sammy Morris (he has maroney) and Greg Ogden. Obviously, once the news came out that AJ might be a few weeks away, that made this deal a huge windfall for me, but had AJ returned it would have been a lot closer in value.
MCguidance
Footballguy
thought about it...no way, too big of a monster in mandatory TE leagues
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
I just got him in a blockbuster:
start 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 flex, 2 wr, 1 te, can keep 2 players a year ...
I traded: Addai, TO, Bears D (I have Pats D, Welker, Holmes, Andre Johnson, All Day, and no real QB)
I got: Gates, Favre, Marshawn (he had no WR, has Peyton, and had Heath Miller who he likes)
I don't know if that helps because multi-player deals are hard to evaluate.... but I considered him a focal point of the deal...
start 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 flex, 2 wr, 1 te, can keep 2 players a year ...
I traded: Addai, TO, Bears D (I have Pats D, Welker, Holmes, Andre Johnson, All Day, and no real QB)
I got: Gates, Favre, Marshawn (he had no WR, has Peyton, and had Heath Miller who he likes)
I don't know if that helps because multi-player deals are hard to evaluate.... but I considered him a focal point of the deal...
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huskers007
Footballguy
Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex at RB or WR. Half point for reception.
I traded Harrison + Vernon Davis + Alex Smith (QB) for Gates, Calvin Johnson, Matt Schaub.
I traded Harrison + Vernon Davis + Alex Smith (QB) for Gates, Calvin Johnson, Matt Schaub.
Robbie Cooper
Footballguy
I'm in a 10 team, 5 Keeper (must keep exactly 5 players from previous roster) league in our 10th year with 8 of the original owners.
The guy who has AG drafted him his rookie season and has kept him every season. And will keep him next season, too. So, AG is nearly "un-tradeable" in our league.
The guy who has AG drafted him his rookie season and has kept him every season. And will keep him next season, too. So, AG is nearly "un-tradeable" in our league.
Texican
Footballguy
You have Gates, right?
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
In my 12-team 18-player full dynasty league, he was traded 2-for-1 for Anthony Gonzalez (WR-Ind) and Deuce McAllister (pre-injury).
PranksterJD
Footballguy
As a contender, I bought him in my dynasty with a 2nd round pick from a rebuilder for Bowe, Vernon, and DeAngelo. Still having some serious buyers remorse. 
I think I am kind of "stuck" with him. I ended up trading for him and now have Winslow and Gates. I was wanting to trade for a solid WR, but was unable to do so. The Gates owner had some serious needs, so I traded for him instead (we have a TE and a WR/TE slot). So, I figured I would just start Gates as my WR2.
I really would like to package him together for an upgrade at WR, but my asking price may be too high
I really would like to package him together for an upgrade at WR, but my asking price may be too high
Restricted
Footballguy
Wow. Did you at least kiss him after screwing him like that?
aldelgreco
Footballguy
12 team, mandatory TE league.
I just traded him away.
Julius Jones
Fred Taylor
A Gates
Cleo Lemon
for
Jason Campbell
Frank Gore
Javon Walker
Donald Lee
I just traded him away.
Julius Jones
Fred Taylor
A Gates
Cleo Lemon
for
Jason Campbell
Frank Gore
Javon Walker
Donald Lee
FakeAudible
Footballguy
Trade (between week three and four), no keeping, no redraft, nothing out the ordinary:
Gates, Romo, Reggie Wayne, Fred Taylor, Wes Welker (3-0 team sends)
Colston, SJax, Bulger, Todd Heap (0-3 sends)
Basicly got a super-stud (SJax) in exchange for him and a gave a bit of value elsewhere. At the time people said it was robbery on my part.
As it worked out all the players received became injured/underperformed relative to what my expectations were. Still, happy with the value I got for Gates (I think my expectations were reasonable) and I was trading for playoff value.
Gates, Romo, Reggie Wayne, Fred Taylor, Wes Welker (3-0 team sends)
Colston, SJax, Bulger, Todd Heap (0-3 sends)
Basicly got a super-stud (SJax) in exchange for him and a gave a bit of value elsewhere. At the time people said it was robbery on my part.
As it worked out all the players received became injured/underperformed relative to what my expectations were. Still, happy with the value I got for Gates (I think my expectations were reasonable) and I was trading for playoff value.
Actually let me ask. What WR would you say he is worth? I I am thinking he is worth a top 10 WR (especially in our league where he can be used as TE or WR). (ETA: I would say he is on the lower side of the top 10)I think I am kind of "stuck" with him. I ended up trading for him and now have Winslow and Gates. I was wanting to trade for a solid WR, but was unable to do so. The Gates owner had some serious needs, so I traded for him instead (we have a TE and a WR/TE slot). So, I figured I would just start Gates as my WR2. I really would like to package him together for an upgrade at WR, but my asking price may be too high
ckalltheway
Footballguy
I have him in a 14 team PPR, must start TE league and wouldn't trade him for pretty much anything right now. It would have to be a healthy upper end TE like Clark, Witten, Miller or Winslow and a number 1 WR or RB.
salmonstud
Footballguy
PPR, TE mandatory league. I rejected a trade offer of Winslow & M.Barber for Gates. Gates continues to produce like a top 5 WR & is rock solid week in and week out.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I will tell you I have been rejected A LOT when offering Gates. Its a TE mandatory league too. I am glad they didnt accept in hindsight. I offered Henry/Selv/Gates for Brandon Jacobs/Shockey, they turned me down. I was shocked. And glad.
Texican
Footballguy
It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
10 team, pt. per TE rec. Dynasty League. He and Manning are the reason I'm in 3rd right now.
There is no amount of money...
There is no amount of money...
MCguidance
Footballguy
I would say thats true with any player. But there is no way that my trade was not in his favor. I just needed to get a better RB, so I put it out there. I actually started a help thread just to gain some perspective on the potential trade, and it was overwhelmingly against me making that trade. Gates in my PPR league (.75) is very high up on the WR ladder, nevermind the TE list. I think while you have some merit, there is not way that Gates is overvalued at this point.It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
Koya
Footballguy
I disagree.. Gates in certain leagues holds tremendous value.In 12+ team TE mandatory leagues, with pt or half point for receptions, Gates is a huge advantage. He is an advantage EVERY week, and a BIG advantage half the weeks. What is tough about Gates is his replacement cost. If you are looking to get Gates, there is a good chance you don't have one of the 5 or so other TEs that are good (D Clark, Winslow etc). So you are asking the Gates owner to take a HUGE step down at that position for what? You really need to improve his team somewhere else.I would say thats true with any player. But there is no way that my trade was not in his favor. I just needed to get a better RB, so I put it out there. I actually started a help thread just to gain some perspective on the potential trade, and it was overwhelmingly against me making that trade. Gates in my PPR league (.75) is very high up on the WR ladder, nevermind the TE list. I think while you have some merit, there is not way that Gates is overvalued at this point.It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
MCguidance
Footballguy
You were not talking to me right? Because I am in total agreement with you. I think Gates is a huge advantage in any TE league.I disagree.. Gates in certain leagues holds tremendous value.In 12+ team TE mandatory leagues, with pt or half point for receptions, Gates is a huge advantage. He is an advantage EVERY week, and a BIG advantage half the weeks. What is tough about Gates is his replacement cost. If you are looking to get Gates, there is a good chance you don't have one of the 5 or so other TEs that are good (D Clark, Winslow etc). So you are asking the Gates owner to take a HUGE step down at that position for what? You really need to improve his team somewhere else.I would say thats true with any player. But there is no way that my trade was not in his favor. I just needed to get a better RB, so I put it out there. I actually started a help thread just to gain some perspective on the potential trade, and it was overwhelmingly against me making that trade. Gates in my PPR league (.75) is very high up on the WR ladder, nevermind the TE list. I think while you have some merit, there is not way that Gates is overvalued at this point.It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
Koya
Footballguy
Just got home from work. At this point, I think I'm disagreeing with everyone. I was disagreeing with those who thought that Gates was overvalued by his owners.You were not talking to me right? Because I am in total agreement with you. I think Gates is a huge advantage in any TE league.I disagree.. Gates in certain leagues holds tremendous value.In 12+ team TE mandatory leagues, with pt or half point for receptions, Gates is a huge advantage. He is an advantage EVERY week, and a BIG advantage half the weeks. What is tough about Gates is his replacement cost. If you are looking to get Gates, there is a good chance you don't have one of the 5 or so other TEs that are good (D Clark, Winslow etc). So you are asking the Gates owner to take a HUGE step down at that position for what? You really need to improve his team somewhere else.I would say thats true with any player. But there is no way that my trade was not in his favor. I just needed to get a better RB, so I put it out there. I actually started a help thread just to gain some perspective on the potential trade, and it was overwhelmingly against me making that trade. Gates in my PPR league (.75) is very high up on the WR ladder, nevermind the TE list. I think while you have some merit, there is not way that Gates is overvalued at this point.It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
Texican
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong, I am with you. I think he has great value. I just wonder if people who do not have him realize or value Gates as much as those that do have him. Evidently by some of the responses here they do not.I would say thats true with any player. But there is no way that my trade was not in his favor. I just needed to get a better RB, so I put it out there. I actually started a help thread just to gain some perspective on the potential trade, and it was overwhelmingly against me making that trade. Gates in my PPR league (.75) is very high up on the WR ladder, nevermind the TE list. I think while you have some merit, there is not way that Gates is overvalued at this point.It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
Someone above stated that he is putting up top 5 WR numbers in their league. That is huge. However if you had a top 5 WR would you trade him for Gates? Or top 10?
MCguidance
Footballguy
Not to make this an ACF thread, but I would not trade a top 5 WR for him..in my league anyway. I would also not give Gates uo for the number 10 WR either. I think he is right about there in terms of value. JMO, though.Don't get me wrong, I am with you. I think he has great value. I just wonder if people who do not have him realize or value Gates as much as those that do have him. Evidently by some of the responses here they do not.I would say thats true with any player. But there is no way that my trade was not in his favor. I just needed to get a better RB, so I put it out there. I actually started a help thread just to gain some perspective on the potential trade, and it was overwhelmingly against me making that trade. Gates in my PPR league (.75) is very high up on the WR ladder, nevermind the TE list. I think while you have some merit, there is not way that Gates is overvalued at this point.It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
Koya
Footballguy
"Value" wise he is probably worth a 6-10 WR. But again, how do you help replace Gates? When you give up the #7 WR, you can put back say a mix of Ron Curry and Ike Hilliard - play the mathcups and you go from #7 to #30. Sometimes you can put an even better WR in the mix, maybe a galloway (ironic though as perhaps Hilliard is better in PPR leagues than galloway, but work with me here) or S. Holmes type.But, the guy who had Gates - who does he go to? If he is LUCKY, an Owen Daniels? Not close to replacing those points. Unless you have at least a heath miller or Cooley you lose so much production in the deal.Not to make this an ACF thread, but I would not trade a top 5 WR for him..in my league anyway. I would also not give Gates uo for the number 10 WR either. I think he is right about there in terms of value. JMO, though.Don't get me wrong, I am with you. I think he has great value. I just wonder if people who do not have him realize or value Gates as much as those that do have him. Evidently by some of the responses here they do not.I would say thats true with any player. But there is no way that my trade was not in his favor. I just needed to get a better RB, so I put it out there. I actually started a help thread just to gain some perspective on the potential trade, and it was overwhelmingly against me making that trade. Gates in my PPR league (.75) is very high up on the WR ladder, nevermind the TE list. I think while you have some merit, there is not way that Gates is overvalued at this point.It seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
Someone above stated that he is putting up top 5 WR numbers in their league. That is huge. However if you had a top 5 WR would you trade him for Gates? Or top 10?
erikf08
Footballguy
Personally, I think for this year's wr's Gates is worth any one of the following:
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Owens
Roy Williams
Driver
B Edwards
But less than:
Moss
S Smith
Housh
CJohnson
Wayne
All depends though on scoring, mandatory TE's, and the depth of teams. A guy that has Moss and CJohnson with say, Randy McMichael may want to give up CJ for Gates.
Just my views as a Gates owner in a PPR league.
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Owens
Roy Williams
Driver
B Edwards
But less than:
Moss
S Smith
Housh
CJohnson
Wayne
All depends though on scoring, mandatory TE's, and the depth of teams. A guy that has Moss and CJohnson with say, Randy McMichael may want to give up CJ for Gates.
Just my views as a Gates owner in a PPR league.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
12 team, 2 keeper league.
Gave:
Rudi
Kenny Watson
Andre Johnson
Gates
Got:
McGahee
Berrian
Gonzo
I thought McGahee was a better keeper, needed a roster spot(picked up Chris Henry RB) and was worried about RBBC in Cincy. I'm not thrilled with this trade a week later, but such is life.
Gave:
Rudi
Kenny Watson
Andre Johnson
Gates
Got:
McGahee
Berrian
Gonzo
I thought McGahee was a better keeper, needed a roster spot(picked up Chris Henry RB) and was worried about RBBC in Cincy. I'm not thrilled with this trade a week later, but such is life.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That is the debate. FWIW, before the season, I had offered Boldin and Shockey for Gates and S. Rice in a dynasty league, got rejected and the Gates owner never countered. Before Walker got injured, I could have afforded giving a top 10 WR for him, but with Shockey, I would want to get a WR back in a 2 for 2, that seems to have been part of the holdup. Now I have Shockey, Daniels and Scaife, as much as I like Gates, giving a WR like Boldin, Roy, or Braylon straight for him doesn't make a lot of sense although it's probably fair.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
In a PPR cap league, I traded Gates/Turner/2K8 third rounder for Willie Parker/Shockey/2K9 first rounder.
The deal improved both teams.
The deal improved both teams.
I traded for Gates in two seperate leagues just last week,both leagues are 12 team redraft,PPR and mandatory TE.
League #1 Start 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1PK and 1DEF - T.O.,T.Heap and K.Faulk for A.Gates and L.Coles. Loves T.O.
League #2 Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1PK and 1DEF- ADP and H.Miller for W.McGahey and A.Gates. Minny Homer. :X
League #1 Start 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1PK and 1DEF - T.O.,T.Heap and K.Faulk for A.Gates and L.Coles. Loves T.O.
League #2 Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1PK and 1DEF- ADP and H.Miller for W.McGahey and A.Gates. Minny Homer. :X
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
I have Gates in a TE mandatory dynasty that gives PPR and 1pt/5 yards receiving. He is 2nd among TEs right now behind Witten but Gates had his bye week already. It would take a nice offer to pry him away. Dont know what exactly but a top RB and top WR or top WR/RB with a decent TE in return. Would have to see it before making the assumption.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Just traded KJones, Olsen for Curtis, Gates.
I hadnt checked, but turns out I'm playing that team this week.
I wouldn't have done it, except I currently start LT, ADP, and Bush (2-3), have Graham on the bench and acquired the probable 08 1.01 or 1.02 this past off season. In short, I'm ok at RB.
I hadnt checked, but turns out I'm playing that team this week.
I wouldn't have done it, except I currently start LT, ADP, and Bush (2-3), have Graham on the bench and acquired the probable 08 1.01 or 1.02 this past off season. In short, I'm ok at RB.
fsufan
Footballguy
i think this is the case with most players. owner overvalue their playersIt seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Or, they simply like their players enough to have acquired/kept them.i think this is the case with most players. owner overvalue their playersIt seems like those with Gates have a higher value of him than those without. Maybe I'm wrong here.
I traded away Gates earlier this season
16 - man keeper league 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/1K/1TD - non ppr
Gave away:
Harrison/Gates
for
Lynch/Calvin Johnson(injured at the time)
Felt that Lynch was just too much to pass up in a 16man keeper and I needed help at RB.
16 - man keeper league 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/1K/1TD - non ppr
Gave away:
Harrison/Gates
for
Lynch/Calvin Johnson(injured at the time)
Felt that Lynch was just too much to pass up in a 16man keeper and I needed help at RB.
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SharkBait
Footballguy
That's just silly.
SharkBait
Footballguy
Yeah, this kind of crap amuses me. Obviously this does not help anybody determine legitimate trade value, but people do love to thump their chest when they take advantage of a stupid person, so we always get these "look what I pulled off" posts. To each their own, I guess.
mon
(T)ool
I look at it like this: the acquiring of Chambers was to open up the field for Gates, sort of like you would acquire a better lineman for LT. The idea is to make bigger holes for your studs. And make no doubt about it, Gates is a huge stud, Turner knows it, and this whole acquisition is centered around him.
PantherPower
Footballguy
Right after the Chambers trade, I moved KWII, Berrian, James Jones for Gates, K, and a D. PPR dynasty league. (I had great depth at WR obviously)
