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Well if that's really the situation then I'm not even mad at Jackson for holding out. Teams have too much power IMO. I think it's stupid not to take a better deal due to spite. A GMs duty is to help his team. If trading him gets you the highest return then trade him. Even the Cavs put their spurned egos to the side and got something for LeBron.fruity pebbles said:
Not as funny as it will be when the Chargers get bounced early in the playoffs yet again.
Exception does not disprove the rule. Since the NFL went to the wildcard system it has in place now, only 8% of teams that start of 0-2 have made the playoffs. While 2 games is a small sample size, falling to 0-2 (when there are already two 2-0 teams in your division) = a big hole to climb out from - a hole which gets climbed out of <10% of the time.
They got bounced with VJax already so ... not sure it will be any different. As a team they need an influx of young talent and would be doing so by getting a jets 2nd (technically a third but will jump to a second as long as Cromartie doesn't get hurt) and then 2 2nds from washington.
Now that really helps the SD Charger cause doesn't it. AJ needs to remember this is a business. Make the best deal for the Chargers.
He had some damn good playoff games. And let's not forget McNeil.Anyway, I think they won't go anywhere as long as they continue to have a GM with control issues that couldn't stomach having a strong willed head coach like Marty. He had to go get a pushover like Norv so that any Charger glory can be attributed to AJ. Guy is such an egomaniac.
Or when the Viking lose 3 of their next 4 and bench Favre to end his streak.
The Chargers have one of the best records in the NFL since AJ Smith took over as GM. His job is to stockpile talent, and over the past few years the Chargers have arguably had on of the most talented rosters in the NFL. They've won 5 of the past 6 AFC West titles, and went to the AFC Championship game a couple years ago.As a Charger fan I wouldn't trade AJ for any other GM in football. All he does is win and find talent.
Or when Cleveland wins 14 in a row and gets a first round bye.Oh, I'm sorry -- aren't we playing "Things that we wish will happen but probably won't"?
They've already had more sustained success under A.J. than they have at any other time in franchise history. Maybe that's not going anywhere to you, but it's a nice change for us Charger fans.
About as funny as when he sits the whole year and we get nothing in return for him when we lose him next year.
Flawed stat: what percentage of 0-2 teams are legitmate contenders?
AJ loves comp picks. Thats what SD will get.Just move this guy already IMO a 2nd rounder and a conditional pick is plenty
Sounds like a Chargers fan who has fallen for all of the "be a team player" BS and has forgotten that this is a business. How would you like to be one of the best at your job and get paid $6/hour while everyone else in your skill level was making $18-$20/hour. Oh, and since you turned down the $6/hour that I was going to give you, I'm now going to give you $1.75/hour - so get in here and be a team player.
Why? Why should he have agreed to play for less than half his market value just cause the Chargers wanted him to. Look past your yellow and blue colored glasses to see that AJ is as much of if not more of a jerkoff than VJax in this situation.
Only if comp picks are part of the new CBA.I do agree that a 2 and a conditional is plenty, however. I can't see anyone giving up more unless they've already agreed to a long term deal with Jackson.
A.J.'s a jerkoff because he's taking advantage of the league rules and didn't want to give in to ridiculous contract demands?
To be fair, it was more like I offered a raise to $12/hr and that by refusing I am making you work for $4/hr.
I never begrudge players for holding out in the NFL. Their only leverage is being healthy and being valuable to a franchise at any given time. Sure, they get guaranteed money up front, but as soon as you are injured, you're cut. You never get paid. Granted, you have to perform to get the market rate, but if teams don't pay the market rate guys will hold out, be unhappy, etc. It's a fine line. Not the same in other sports because contracts aren't guaranteed. VJax was restricted because of a technicality. This all came down to SD not thinking he was worth WR1 type money he was asking. If they thought he was worth it (like Jets did Revis) they'd pay him. SD feels Rivers creates the receivers, not the other way around. Not saying either side is wrong - they have a right to do what they feel is best.
Hes a jerkoff if he doesnt take a deal that would net him a better pick just to stick it to VJax. And why are you so sure Jackson's demands were ridiculous. doesnt seem that is the hold up in negoatiations, its what AJ wants for him. Sounds like the 3 million a year was a lot more ridiculous than what Jackson was asking.
His market value was $3.3 million this year, given the limited market that is available to restricted free agents. Any team that wanted to offer him more than $3.3 million was free to do so during the free agency period (which ended April 15), but no team did.The $3.3 million offered by the Chargers is less than half of what would be his market value if he were an unrestricted free agent; but he's not.
His numbers were actually pretty spot on. 9-10 mil/year to 18-20/hour. 3 mil/year to 6/hour and 550k/year to 1.75/hour.Your numbers are way too high.
Not entirely true. It would have cost a team draft picks on top of salary to get him away from the Chargers before the RFA period ended.
Seattle wouldn't give in to Jackson's contract demands, and those are pretty much the same ones he made to the Chargers. Something like $50 million for 6 years. Seems ridiculous to me. You think he's worth that much? The Chargers are still throwing for 300 yards a game without him. People around here have this hard on for calling A.J. a jerk[off] but don't seem to understand/acknowledge the level of success he has brought to the team because he's not playing nice nice with whoever it is they have on their fantasy squad. Meanwhile the Chargers keep winning. It's a great example of the huge disconnect most fantasy football players have from real football.
He's a jerk-off for making ridiculous contract demands of his own with Jackson when he rescinded the $3.3M offer. It's petty.Is anyone convinced that these potential 2nd and 3rd round picks that they may or may not get are worth the money and headache of the entire fiasco? How about, "Hey Vincent. You've done a good job, but this is a sticky situation and I'm in the power position here. I'm not gonna cave to your crazy demands. The $3.3M offer stands. Take it or leave it."It reminds me of a time when my Dad offered me $5 to clean out the garage. I said I didn't want to, so he MADE me clean it up, and told me he would keep the $5. He eventually gave me the money after a long-winded lecture about something that I was supposed to take with me for the rest of my life.
thats a simplistic way of putting it but you're forgetting about the 1st and 3rd round pick that would have to be given up as well
Really? You lost to the Chiefs and beat up on Jacksonville. What's going to happen when you have to play a real team?
It's gamesmanship. At no time have the Chargers said "take it or leave it." They're still open to negotiations. They lowered the tender, in accordance with common league policy, to try and get Jackson's management back to the table. Instead they took their ball and went home. Now it's A.J.'s fault that these clowns won't negotiate below their ridiculous initial bargaining position? Sorry, don't see it.
I didn't forget; I explicitly said "given the limited market that is available." The limitation is the first- and third-round picks.
I'm probably not as close to all of this is Chargers fans, but I did not know that this was the case.
I'm not real concerned about 2 big plays in a rainstorm.They'll be competitive. I don't expect them in the super bowl, but they'll make the playoffs. Check their schedule and get back to me with a plausible scenario for how the Chargers don't finish over .500.
That's my understanding. Jackson's people are still refusing to budge from their initial offer, the same deal Seattle balked at a few weeks back. Now, I don't think the Chargers are making attempts to contact his agents at this point, but if the agents picked up the phone I think the Chargers are willing to talk. Same thing happened with Gates a few years back if you remember.
Probably the same thing the team has been doing since AJ took over as GM, winning the AFC West and going to the playoffs, long before VJax became a contributor 2 years ago.
I think AJ has been above average in his GM role for the Chargers, but it is important to consider the context of the Chargers success and their talent.Do you think it might have helped AJ that in the six years prior to his becoming GM, the Chargers averaged 5.2 wins per season? The resultant drafts from 1998-2003 saw the Chargers with the #2, #8, #13, #1, #5 and #15 draft slots. Drafting in the top 15 all six years and the top five half of those years tends to do good things to the overall talent base of a roster.
I agree with the distinguished Judge. I don't blame AJ for the positions the Chargers have taken, IMO he's acted in the best interests of the San Diego Chargers at every turn. At the same time, I have a hard time finding fault with VJax's actions. He has every right to be pissed about being restricted due to a technicality, though I do believe that his agents should have anticipated this and been more proactive earlier in the offseason. But I don't fault him for refusing to play w/o a long term deal in place. Players only have a couple of opportunities to get guaranteed big $ in their career. Risking 20-25M for a chance to make 3M in one year is a difficult call; had Ryan Grant been in VJax's position and decided to play for 3M he'd be regretting it for the rest of his life.Both sides are acting rationally in their best interests, which is what makes this situation difficult and fascinating at the same time.
It would likely require someone giving the Redskins a 2nd for Haynesworth.
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Yes... kind of like how right now it's going to cost a team draft picks on top of salary to get him away from the Chargers.
