Any news on Vincent Jackson trade rumors? (2 Viewers)

[scrumptrulescent]

After watching many holdouts over years and how teams handle it...

Smith to be has declared himself to me as the worst GM in the league, and yes I do GM rankings, lol j/k

When you are obviously putting your feelings ahead of the teams, you gotta go.

I dunno. Gotta enforce discipline; the front office runs the team, not players. Vince might have forgotten that.Plus Smith has to get value; if Jackson goes off somewhere else and the Chargers get less than fair value *Smith* starts to look bad in front of the owner and fans and it's *Smith that everyone is suddenly looking at.

Isn't the obvious other side to this that Smith will get less value if Jackson sits the entire year and then walks at the end of it?

 

[Tau837]

I had a question about the compensatory pick for Jackson. Is the pick based on salaary of the player lost or the production the year before?

Just seems like a 3rd round would be high for a guy who didn't make that much money and the team showed they could live without...

From Wikipedia:

Compensatory picks

In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

 

[comet909]

Compared to what the Steelers took for Santonio Holmes, a 2nd for Jacksons sounds like a pretty good value. Similar situations. Suspension/1 year deal etc.

 

[Tau837]

With a new CBA in place next year (hopefully) is there even a guarantee the compensatory pick compensation will still be in there?

nope

It isn't guaranteed, but it seems likely IMO.

 

[Multiple Scores]

After watching many holdouts over years and how teams handle it...Smith to be has declared himself to me as the worst GM in the league, and yes I do GM rankings, lol j/kWhen you are obviously putting your feelings ahead of the teams, you gotta go.

Really? Seriously. The worst? Very interesting. I'm not Charger fan by any stretch, but he has had just a little bit of success. Lets put this in perspective, he's worse than the Raiders?

 

[Tau837]

To everyone complaining about Smith right now, he's in a negotiation. At least wait until the deadline passes to complain that he didn't take what seems to be a good deal (if indeed we know for certain what deals were offered).

 

[Max Power]

I had a question about the compensatory pick for Jackson. Is the pick based on salaary of the player lost or the production the year before?

Just seems like a 3rd round would be high for a guy who didn't make that much money and the team showed they could live without...

From Wikipedia:

Compensatory picks

In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

hmm, so that pick wouldn't even be until the 2012 draft?

 

[identikit]

(FFChamps) The San Diego Chargers rejected the trade offer made by the Minnesota Vikings for Wide Receiver Vincent Jackson. The Vikings were willing to give San Diego a 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2011, but the Charger's are holding firm on their asking price of a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

Analysis: If Jackson isnt traded by 4:00 pm (est), hell have to serve a six game suspension. But if he is traded, Jackson would be able to play after the 5th game.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I had a question about the compensatory pick for Jackson. Is the pick based on salaary of the player lost or the production the year before?

Just seems like a 3rd round would be high for a guy who didn't make that much money and the team showed they could live without...

From Wikipedia:

Compensatory picks

In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

hmm, so that pick wouldn't even be until the 2012 draft?

thats correct. the best the chargers can get for VJ is a late 3rd-early 4th (depending on how you look at it) in 2012.

 

[Sam Quentin]

(FFChamps) The San Diego Chargers rejected the trade offer made by the Minnesota Vikings for Wide Receiver Vincent Jackson. The Vikings were willing to give San Diego a 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2011, but the Charger's are holding firm on their asking price of a 2nd and 3rd round pick.Analysis: If Jackson isnt traded by 4:00 pm (est), hell have to serve a six game suspension. But if he is traded, Jackson would be able to play after the 5th game.

That's just ridiculousa 2nd and a 3rd for a 2 DUI guy for a little over half a season who wants millions more $$$.Smith is high

 

[Ditka is God]

To everyone complaining about Smith right now, he's in a negotiation. At least wait until the deadline passes to complain that he didn't take what seems to be a good deal (if indeed we know for certain what deals were offered).

Agreed, particularly given the public/mandated deadline. Of course, assuming the Rams did back out, if one more team backs out Smith's leverage takes a big hit. I thought I read somewhere they get a 3rd round comp pick regardless but I could be wrong.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

After watching many holdouts over years and how teams handle it...

Smith to be has declared himself to me as the worst GM in the league, and yes I do GM rankings, lol j/k

When you are obviously putting your feelings ahead of the teams, you gotta go.

I dunno. Gotta enforce discipline; the front office runs the team, not players. Vince might have forgotten that.Plus Smith has to get value; if Jackson goes off somewhere else and the Chargers get less than fair value *Smith* starts to look bad in front of the owner and fans and it's *Smith that everyone is suddenly looking at.

Isn't the obvious other side to this that Smith will get less value if Jackson sits the entire year and then walks at the end of it?

I don't know about that either. If that's the case then from Smith's perspective, Smith has his rep intact because he hasn't gotten "gypped", he can portray it as it's Jackson's "fault", Floyd and Naanee may have ended up filling in nicely anyway such that people and the media forget about Jackson, and the players and their agents all learn a very important lesson.Speculation I know, but that may be the mindset there.

 

[Max Power]

I've been in and out while following this story as it felt like a broken record for a time there. But today seems like the make the break deadline for this season, no?

Still a 0% chance Jackson re-signs with Chargers? I just can't see any owner/Gm not taking a second round pick in 2011 just to stick it to a player.

 

[Ray_T]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

Here's what my question would be to King:If you were an NFL GM how high of a draft pick would it be worth to you to know that any time that a former 1st round draft pick (or potential pro bowler) decides he wants out he will have to remember that he can't just pull a Cutler and instead will be faced with the fact that he may lose a year of his NFL life unless they make sure that he and his agent wrangle a 1st round pick in return?What would that be worth to an NFL GM?

 

[Ray_T]

After watching many holdouts over years and how teams handle it...Smith to be has declared himself to me as the worst GM in the league, and yes I do GM rankings, lol j/kWhen you are obviously putting your feelings ahead of the teams, you gotta go.

I dunno. Gotta enforce discipline; the front office runs the team, not players. Vince might have forgotten that.Plus Smith has to get value; if Jackson goes off somewhere else and the Chargers get less than fair value *Smith* starts to look bad in front of the owner and fans and it's *Smith that everyone is suddenly looking at.

I dont disagree, but from what I can tell, if the previous reports are accurate, they did get a very good offer in a 2nd and a conditional pick (presumably based on what stats VJ puts up) and this is (in my opinion) a very good offer that would be at more than market value for him.a first String WR with a couple of DUI's is not worth more than this. he's not even what I would call an elite first string WR. of course, we have no way to confirm that the offer that was supposedly made to the chargers is legit, but if it was legit, the Chargers are definitely overstating his value by declining the offer.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

Here's what my question would be to King:If you were an NFL GM how high of a draft pick would it be worth to you to know that any time that a former 1st round draft pick (or potential pro bowler) decides he wants out he will have to remember that he can't just pull a Cutler and instead will be faced with the fact that he may lose a year of his NFL life unless they make sure that he and his agent wrangle a 1st round pick in return?What would that be worth to an NFL GM?

Jackson really doesnt want out of anything. He played out his contract. Only reason hes a RFA is the uncapped year. As an outsider looking in, AJ comes off as a really toolbag if he rejects an offer better than he would have gotten by keeping him. Its a loophole that he still owns his rights in the first place.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Vincent Jackson trade talks could go down to the wire

Posted by Mike Florio on September 22, 2010 10:26 AM ET

At a time when national authorities like Jason Cole and Adam Schefter are increasingly confident that the Chargers won't trade receiver Vincent Jackson, a couple of guys with boots on the ground in San Diego seem to think a deal will get done before 4:00 p.m. ET on Wednesday.

Specifically, Scott Kaplan and Billy Ray Smith of XX 1090 both believe that G.M. A.J. Smith eventually will move Jackson, presumably to Minnesota.

The reported posture suggests that Kaplan and Smith are right. With the Chargers (per Cole) wanting a second-round pick and a third-round pick and the Vikings offering a second-round pick and a conditional pick that hinges on whether they sign Jackson to a long-term deal, the two sides seem to be in the same ballpark -- it's now just a matter of picking the seat.

And with the window not closing until 4:00 p.m. ET, the Chargers and the Vikings can stare at each other until the last moment and wait to see if someone blinks.

Given that the gap doesn't seem to be all that big, it's hard not to imagine one side or the other making the first move toward finding a middle ground, or if that fails caving.

 

[az_prof]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

It is more than I would offer and frankly, as a Vikings fan, I hope that they don't do it. I highly doubt Jackson is going to be a difference maker for this team and with Favre and Big Pat Williams likely to retire (and looking old) and with that OL needing to be rebuilt, I would much rather have the picks. I still don't see how a guy who has missed his teams OTAs and preseason and is going to a new team mid season can really step into the lineup and be that effective.

 

[Clifford]

Seriously, why the Vikes would consider trading 2011 picks given their situation is beyond me. They need help at a lot of positions and should be at least mindful of what happens to this team post 2010.

 

[identikit]

Report: Rams no longer pursuing Vincent Jackson

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 22, 2010 10:51 AM ET

Vincent Jackson trade talks may go down to the wire, but they reportedly won't include the St. Louis Rams.

Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Rams have decided against pursuing Jackson. Perhaps the emergence of Mark Clayton has influenced St. Louis' thinking. Maybe they realize Sam Bradford will make his receivers better.

Thomas writes that, "Expending lots of money, plus draft picks, for a player with past DUI issues didn't make sense to the team."

But those issues haven't really changed over the last few months, when the Rams showed prior interest. Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith is driving a hard bargain and ultimately his pricetag for Jackson appears to be scaring the Rams away.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...incent-jackson/

 

[fruity pebbles]

Seriously, why the Vikes would consider trading 2011 picks given their situation is beyond me. They need help at a lot of positions and should be at least mindful of what happens to this team post 2010.

They spent 20 million to make one last push and now he doesnt have anyone to throw to?

 

[PranksterJD]

Seriously, why the Vikes would consider trading 2011 picks given their situation is beyond me. They need help at a lot of positions and should be at least mindful of what happens to this team post 2010.

They spent 20 million to make one last push and now he doesnt have anyone to throw to?

This is where I give AJ Smith a break. He's staring at someone opposite him at the table who **needs** jackson more than AJ needs to sell him. He's got the upper hand at the moment, in that he has an asset that he doesn't have to move, and a buyer who needs to aquire it. If the Vikings don't come back to the table before 4pm then maybe they call his bluff.... but there's a lot of time between now and then, and I don't think Smith is bluffing.Additionally, as soon as I found out that the conditional pick is based on Vincent signing a long-term deal, I started to undertand exactly why the Chargers are balking at it. That's a decent amount of risk to take when they've got no control over Jackson's contract demands or the vikings front office. The chargers might take less than a 3rd, but depending on the conditions I'm not sure I'd be happy with this conditional pick either.

 

[Gr00vus]

(FFChamps) The San Diego Chargers rejected the trade offer made by the Minnesota Vikings for Wide Receiver Vincent Jackson. The Vikings were willing to give San Diego a 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2011, but the Charger's are holding firm on their asking price of a 2nd and 3rd round pick.Analysis: If Jackson isnt traded by 4:00 pm (est), hell have to serve a six game suspension. But if he is traded, Jackson would be able to play after the 5th game.

If this is for real I'd expect the trade to go down. A.J. is probably holding out to see if he can do better before pulling the trigger. I doubt he can (or should). If this offer is legit and a trade doesn't happen, it'd indicate that Smith thinks he still has a shot at getting Jackson to report to the Chargers this year.

 

[John 14:6]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

It is more than I would offer and frankly, as a Vikings fan, I hope that they don't do it. I highly doubt Jackson is going to be a difference maker for this team and with Favre and Big Pat Williams likely to retire (and looking old) and with that OL needing to be rebuilt, I would much rather have the picks. I still don't see how a guy who has missed his teams OTAs and preseason and is going to a new team mid season can really step into the lineup and be that effective.

As a Viking fan I agree. I don't want them to give up any more than they are already reportedly offering. Yes, we're making a Superbowl push this year, but in today's NFL it's possible to replace lost players. We could lose Favre, Pat Williams, and some FAs next year but we could also go out and sign or trade for others. Maybe bring in Donovan McNabb or Kevin Kolb, for example. IMO the picks and cap space will be more valuable than having VJax.But as a Jackson owner in a fantasy league, I sure would like to see a deal get done

 

[bulger2holt]

Overpaying for a guy who is one dwi away from being suspended for a year doesn't make sense for the Rams. They will wait and take AJ Green with their #1 in April.

 

[Clifford]

Seriously, why the Vikes would consider trading 2011 picks given their situation is beyond me. They need help at a lot of positions and should be at least mindful of what happens to this team post 2010.

They spent 20 million to make one last push and now he doesnt have anyone to throw to?

So throwing good money (and valuable picks) after bad is the way to go? Since VJ isn't going to magically make their run defense any better or turn Favre into a mobile QB who can elude a pass rush. If we're being realistic Favre doesn't look anything like the player we saw last year. The guy we saw last year was a rejuvinated Favre, joking around, having fun. Plus he was playing the best he had in years. This year's Favre looks like he doesn't want to be there, and is not enjoying himself. Will getting a decent receiver on the field really change that? Maybe, but when you're talking about two picks in what looks to be one of the most loaded drafts in recent memory plus a fat contract just to see if Favre can do it one more time? Not the way to build a winning program, and questionable as to whether it makes them a winning team.

 

[Keepers]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

 

[PranksterJD]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

Why not?

 

[sho nuff]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

Its either that insurance for Rice or a straight up panic with how they have played so far and Harvin's health.

 

[jestertj]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

I would say yes. Two years ago when Rice had the knee sprain, it pretty much kept him out for the whole season when everyone thought he'd miss a month or more.

 

[texasbirdfan]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

It is more than I would offer and frankly, as a Vikings fan, I hope that they don't do it. I highly doubt Jackson is going to be a difference maker for this team and with Favre and Big Pat Williams likely to retire (and looking old) and with that OL needing to be rebuilt, I would much rather have the picks. I still don't see how a guy who has missed his teams OTAs and preseason and is going to a new team mid season can really step into the lineup and be that effective.

I would say to you that you have not followed Jackson's career very closely.

 

[wudaben]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

I would say yes. Two years ago when Rice had the knee sprain, it pretty much kept him out for the whole season when everyone thought he'd miss a month or more.

Keep in mind that many of the initial reports about Rice stated that it would be 6-8 weeks minimum before he could return and it's a possibility that he wouldn't be back at all. That plus Harvin's issues and all that is currently invested in winning this year make this trade a must really. Vjax would have the bye week to get in sync with the offense so it isn't that far fetched that he could contribute right away.

 

[sho nuff]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

I would say yes. Two years ago when Rice had the knee sprain, it pretty much kept him out for the whole season when everyone thought he'd miss a month or more.

Keep in mind that many of the initial reports about Rice stated that it would be 6-8 weeks minimum before he could return and it's a possibility that he wouldn't be back at all. That plus Harvin's issues and all that is currently invested in winning this year make this trade a must really. Vjax would have the bye week to get in sync with the offense so it isn't that far fetched that he could contribute right away.

Could he practice with them as early as the bye week?Or does he have to wait until after the 4th game of the suspension?

 

[Keepers]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

Why not?

New system, timing with a QB, preseason and OTAs are meaningless?

 

[wudaben]

Could he practice with them as early as the bye week?Or does he have to wait until after the 4th game of the suspension?

That answer was a little blurry in the in the NFL/NFLPA ruling.

 

[geoff8695]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

It is more than I would offer and frankly, as a Vikings fan, I hope that they don't do it. I highly doubt Jackson is going to be a difference maker for this team and with Favre and Big Pat Williams likely to retire (and looking old) and with that OL needing to be rebuilt, I would much rather have the picks. I still don't see how a guy who has missed his teams OTAs and preseason and is going to a new team mid season can really step into the lineup and be that effective.

I would say to you that you have not followed Jackson's career very closely.

VJ can't play oline, defense, or turn back the clock on ADP or Favre's careers. Regardless of how talented Jackson may be, the Viking's 2010 playoff hopes are in dire straits right now. The Bears and Packers are both 2 games ahead of the Vikings already, and with another 4 weeks before VJ could even take the field for them it's likely that the Vikings will have dug themselves a hole so deep they can no longer climb out of it. I think the Vikings **need** their draft picks more than they need VJ at this point. For Vikings fan's sakes, I hope that AJ doesn't accept their 2nd rounder in 2011. As a Bear fan myself, I hope AJ gets them to give up their entire 2011 draft board!

The Vikings **need** the draft picks to answer the question that will remain at QB after Favre retires (finally!) sometime this year. Either to draft or trade for the answer to their QB question is the most pressing **need** the Vikings face. They aren't winning any SuperBowl this season, and the championship window is closing fast as the defense, oline, and ADP continue to age.

AJ is a fool if the reports are true that he won't accept a 2nd for VJ. Of course there are a few hours left 'til the deadine, and the reports could be inaccurate. If these reports are true, then a 2011 2nd rounder is FAR more valuable to SD than a potential compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd or 4th round in 2012. For Chargers fans sakes, I really hope those reports are not true. It's tough watching your own championship window passing by without your best WR, best Olineman playing for you, and knowing that you could have gotten significant value in the relatively near future, but your GM pissed it away...

 

[encaitar]

Could he practice with them as early as the bye week?Or does he have to wait until after the 4th game of the suspension?

That answer was a little blurry in the in the NFL/NFLPA ruling.

I'm pretty sure he's eligible to practice after the third game, but not play until the team's fifth game. I thought the ruling was that the roster exempt suspension was only for games, not practice. Assuming that's true, then Jackson would be able to practice starting next Monday. It also means he could get 3 weeks of practice in with the Vikings before he played a game since they have their bye next week and he wouldn't be able to play in the first game after the bye.

 

[wudaben]

Could he practice with them as early as the bye week?

Or does he have to wait until after the 4th game of the suspension?

That answer was a little blurry in the in the NFL/NFLPA ruling.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a9...sons-suspension

The agreement, which settles a grievance filed by the NFL Players Assocation, stipulates that if Jackson signs a contract with the Chargers and is traded by 4 p.m. ET Wednesday, he will be placed on the commissioner exempt list for three games, retroactive to Game 2. That means Jackson would be able to play in his new team's fifth game.

If Jackson is traded before Wednesday, he'll be allowed to report to the new club and, at the team's discretion, be eligible to participate in activities permitted by the substance-abuse policy for the remainder of his suspension. When the DUI suspension ends, he'll be permitted to practice with his new team under the roster-exempt rules before the fourth game, but he won't be available to play and cannot be paid until the fifth game.

Only thing it doesn't mention specifically is what happens if he is traded to the Vikes since their week 4 is a bye... he may not be playing til NFL week 6.

 

[identikit]

FWIW, a Hacksaw report:

Hacksaw 10am update....Washington back in VJ talks....discussing 2-deals simultaneously to get draft picks to send to San Diego.

NFL agents tell me Redskins may have deal in place for contract with VJ

 

[texasbirdfan]

Peter King said on Sirius today he doesn't think the Chargers are operating logically with their decision making with this situation and that it seems to be more about vengeance. Considering they just turned down a 2011 second and a conditional pick from the Vikings I'd have to agree with him. That's a good offer for a player you don't want to play on your team again.

I agree. This is a good offer(if it was actually made), and if the chargers are too dumb to accept then they are likely gonna end up with whatever pick they get as compensation at the draft cuz I dont think they are gonna get more than this.

It is more than I would offer and frankly, as a Vikings fan, I hope that they don't do it. I highly doubt Jackson is going to be a difference maker for this team and with Favre and Big Pat Williams likely to retire (and looking old) and with that OL needing to be rebuilt, I would much rather have the picks. I still don't see how a guy who has missed his teams OTAs and preseason and is going to a new team mid season can really step into the lineup and be that effective.

I would say to you that you have not followed Jackson's career very closely.

VJ can't play oline, defense, or turn back the clock on ADP or Favre's careers. Regardless of how talented Jackson may be, the Viking's 2010 playoff hopes are in dire straits right now. The Bears and Packers are both 2 games ahead of the Vikings already, and with another 4 weeks before VJ could even take the field for them it's likely that the Vikings will have dug themselves a hole so deep they can no longer climb out of it. I think the Vikings **need** their draft picks more than they need VJ at this point. For Vikings fan's sakes, I hope that AJ doesn't accept their 2nd rounder in 2011. As a Bear fan myself, I hope AJ gets them to give up their entire 2011 draft board!

The Vikings **need** the draft picks to answer the question that will remain at QB after Favre retires (finally!) sometime this year. Either to draft or trade for the answer to their QB question is the most pressing **need** the Vikings face. They aren't winning any SuperBowl this season, and the championship window is closing fast as the defense, oline, and ADP continue to age.

AJ is a fool if the reports are true that he won't accept a 2nd for VJ. Of course there are a few hours left 'til the deadine, and the reports could be inaccurate. If these reports are true, then a 2011 2nd rounder is FAR more valuable to SD than a potential compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd or 4th round in 2012. For Chargers fans sakes, I really hope those reports are not true. It's tough watching your own championship window passing by without your best WR, best Olineman playing for you, and knowing that you could have gotten significant value in the relatively near future, but your GM pissed it away...

I hear you. Welcome to the world known as the annual Falcon Wounded Potential Team.

 

[FantasyMan]

VJ can't play oline, defense, or turn back the clock on ADP or Favre's careers.

Regardless of how talented Jackson may be, the Viking's 2010 playoff hopes are in dire straits right now. The Bears and Packers are both 2 games ahead of the Vikings already, and with another 4 weeks before VJ could even take the field for them it's likely that the Vikings will have dug themselves a hole so deep they can no longer climb out of it. I think the Vikings **need** their draft picks more than they need VJ at this point. For Vikings fan's sakes, I hope that AJ doesn't accept their 2nd rounder in 2011. As a Bear fan myself, I hope AJ gets them to give up their entire 2011 draft board!

The Vikings **need** the draft picks to answer the question that will remain at QB after Favre retires (finally!) sometime this year. Either to draft or trade for the answer to their QB question is the most pressing **need** the Vikings face. They aren't winning any SuperBowl this season, and the championship window is closing fast as the defense, oline, and ADP continue to age.

AJ is a fool if the reports are true that he won't accept a 2nd for VJ. Of course there are a few hours left 'til the deadine, and the reports could be inaccurate. If these reports are true, then a 2011 2nd rounder is FAR more valuable to SD than a potential compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd or 4th round in 2012. For Chargers fans sakes, I really hope those reports are not true. It's tough watching your own championship window passing by without your best WR, best Olineman playing for you, and knowing that you could have gotten significant value in the relatively near future, but your GM pissed it away...

What? The guy turned 25 in March.

 

[PranksterJD]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

Why not?

New system, timing with a QB, preseason and OTAs are meaningless?

Not meaningless, but not critical either. Chris Chambers swapped teams mid-season and came in to drop over 300 yards and 3 scores in his first 4 games. Mark Clayton just came over to the Rams and has thrown down 150/2 in 2 games with a rookie QB.**IF** Jackson has kept himself in shape, he's enough of a veteran to know how to run the routes that the Vikings would ask him to, until they could get the playbook down.

 

[geoff8695]

VJ can't play oline, defense, or turn back the clock on ADP or Favre's careers.

Regardless of how talented Jackson may be, the Viking's 2010 playoff hopes are in dire straits right now. The Bears and Packers are both 2 games ahead of the Vikings already, and with another 4 weeks before VJ could even take the field for them it's likely that the Vikings will have dug themselves a hole so deep they can no longer climb out of it. I think the Vikings **need** their draft picks more than they need VJ at this point. For Vikings fan's sakes, I hope that AJ doesn't accept their 2nd rounder in 2011. As a Bear fan myself, I hope AJ gets them to give up their entire 2011 draft board!

The Vikings **need** the draft picks to answer the question that will remain at QB after Favre retires (finally!) sometime this year. Either to draft or trade for the answer to their QB question is the most pressing **need** the Vikings face. They aren't winning any SuperBowl this season, and the championship window is closing fast as the defense, oline, and ADP continue to age.

AJ is a fool if the reports are true that he won't accept a 2nd for VJ. Of course there are a few hours left 'til the deadine, and the reports could be inaccurate. If these reports are true, then a 2011 2nd rounder is FAR more valuable to SD than a potential compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd or 4th round in 2012. For Chargers fans sakes, I really hope those reports are not true. It's tough watching your own championship window passing by without your best WR, best Olineman playing for you, and knowing that you could have gotten significant value in the relatively near future, but your GM pissed it away...

What? The guy turned 25 in March.

Yes but how many more elite RB seasons does he have in him? And by the time Minny answers it's QB questions how much will ADP have left, and how strong are the oline and the defense going to be?NOW is the championship window for ADP and the Vikings. Unfortunately 2010 is looking like a lost season and as young as ADP is, with his size and running style he doesn't have many years left to wait for the Vikings to find a super bowl QB. Look at Steven Jackson's situation for the last few seasons, that could very well mirror the situation ADP faces in the not too distant future as well.

 

[The Carnage]

Could he practice with them as early as the bye week?

Or does he have to wait until after the 4th game of the suspension?

That answer was a little blurry in the in the NFL/NFLPA ruling.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a9...sons-suspension

The agreement, which settles a grievance filed by the NFL Players Assocation, stipulates that if Jackson signs a contract with the Chargers and is traded by 4 p.m. ET Wednesday, he will be placed on the commissioner exempt list for three games, retroactive to Game 2. That means Jackson would be able to play in his new team's fifth game.

If Jackson is traded before Wednesday, he'll be allowed to report to the new club and, at the team's discretion, be eligible to participate in activities permitted by the substance-abuse policy for the remainder of his suspension. When the DUI suspension ends, he'll be permitted to practice with his new team under the roster-exempt rules before the fourth game, but he won't be available to play and cannot be paid until the fifth game.

Only thing it doesn't mention specifically is what happens if he is traded to the Vikes since their week 4 is a bye... he may not be playing til NFL week 6.

It was pointed out last week that the term 'game' was used in place of 'week' in the ruling for the very reason you point out. The Vikings fifth game is in week 6 and that is the soonest that he would be able to play for them.

 

[tommyGunZ]

So would VJax be insurance for Rice being out longer? Realistically he isn't going to contribute much in the first few games he plays and by that time Rice may be back, probably a moot point as the Viking's season will likely be done either way.

Why not?

New system, timing with a QB, preseason and OTAs are meaningless?

Not meaningless, but not critical either. Chris Chambers swapped teams mid-season and came in to drop over 300 yards and 3 scores in his first 4 games. Mark Clayton just came over to the Rams and has thrown down 150/2 in 2 games with a rookie QB.**IF** Jackson has kept himself in shape, he's enough of a veteran to know how to run the routes that the Vikings would ask him to, until they could get the playbook down.

Not to mention the fact that VJax's mere presence on the field will force additional attention, if not outright double teams, opening up the offense for everyone else. The Viking offense benefits even if VJax is held to 3 catches for 50 years his first couple games. And VJax is an outstanding blocker, which isn't a skill that is lost in translation and will help the run game from the jump.

 

[tommyGunZ]

VJ can't play oline, defense, or turn back the clock on ADP or Favre's careers.

Regardless of how talented Jackson may be, the Viking's 2010 playoff hopes are in dire straits right now. The Bears and Packers are both 2 games ahead of the Vikings already, and with another 4 weeks before VJ could even take the field for them it's likely that the Vikings will have dug themselves a hole so deep they can no longer climb out of it. I think the Vikings **need** their draft picks more than they need VJ at this point. For Vikings fan's sakes, I hope that AJ doesn't accept their 2nd rounder in 2011. As a Bear fan myself, I hope AJ gets them to give up their entire 2011 draft board!

The Vikings **need** the draft picks to answer the question that will remain at QB after Favre retires (finally!) sometime this year. Either to draft or trade for the answer to their QB question is the most pressing **need** the Vikings face. They aren't winning any SuperBowl this season, and the championship window is closing fast as the defense, oline, and ADP continue to age.

AJ is a fool if the reports are true that he won't accept a 2nd for VJ. Of course there are a few hours left 'til the deadine, and the reports could be inaccurate. If these reports are true, then a 2011 2nd rounder is FAR more valuable to SD than a potential compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd or 4th round in 2012. For Chargers fans sakes, I really hope those reports are not true. It's tough watching your own championship window passing by without your best WR, best Olineman playing for you, and knowing that you could have gotten significant value in the relatively near future, but your GM pissed it away...

What? The guy turned 25 in March.

Yes but how many more elite RB seasons does he have in him? And by the time Minny answers it's QB questions how much will ADP have left, and how strong are the oline and the defense going to be?NOW is the championship window for ADP and the Vikings. Unfortunately 2010 is looking like a lost season and as young as ADP is, with his size and running style he doesn't have many years left to wait for the Vikings to find a super bowl QB. Look at Steven Jackson's situation for the last few seasons, that could very well mirror the situation ADP faces in the not too distant future as well.

IMO, you're putting far too much weight into 2 games and "windows". San Diego started 1-2 last year and won 13 games.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

FWIW, a Hacksaw report:Hacksaw 10am update....Washington back in VJ talks....discussing 2-deals simultaneously to get draft picks to send to San Diego.NFL agents tell me Redskins may have deal in place for contract with VJ

Thanks for the update. Really hoping he lands in Washington over Minny.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I am hoping he sits all year, time for everyone to follow through on all their cackling.

 

[tommyGunZ]

How funny will it be if AJ gets two 2nds from Washington for VJax, after all the posts in here calling AJ an "idiot!" for not pulling the trigger on the Vikings 2nd and other conditional pick?