Anyone hear Clayton on Espn a min ago? (1 Viewer)

[Serenity Now]

Carr may not be the next Unitas, but dear lord he was looking pretty promising a few years ago. They've done nothing to shore up the O line play at all and ruined a decent QB prospect because of it. They don't deserve Young, Bush or Leinart.Signed, A bitter Carr dynasty owner

 

[garyd]

A few tidbits on the Carr contract situation:- ESPN has reported the the Texans **will** pick up the bonus, but they have **not** actually done it yet.- Len Pasquarelli has reported that there are 2 bonus scenarios: a $5.5 million payment to buy back the next 2 seasons and an $8 million payment to buy back the next 3. Each of the buyback seasons come with salaries in the $5-$6 million range.- The decision does not have to be made until the end of the NFL season, which is defined as the day of the Pro Bowl (Feb 12th).

 

[Gargoylez]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

Maybe they can draft Vince Young and thereby get the best player in the draft?

WOW. Not even close. Tearing up a suspect USC defense doesn't even get him close to the best player. All he is going to be is a running QB in the mold of vick. Lets get a subpar scrambling QB... maybe the Texans can bring back teh lateral and wishbone formations too.

Bush is the best player in the draft. Period. not even debatable. Leinart is a better Qb anyways.

Nice to see someone with an open mind commenting here.

Yeah I know... I admit, Im not a big fan of Young. Just sick of hearing how he is going to be great, and I could pretty much guarentee if he gets on 28-29 different teams he will SUCK. But a team like Tenessee who has someone who could TRULY mentor him, he could do well.But him on the Texans, he would be wretched.

Young SUCKS. He will take alot time to develop, far more time than Leinhart will. I don't know about you, but when I watch Vince Young, i see Kordell Stewart.

You haven't watched much Vince Young.

NO ONE has. He plays against college players. WAIT until he gets in the pro's.I am not going to say he is a SURE bust but I have the label already printed unless he can get into an IDEAL situation. Tenessee being one fo them.

 

[Buckna]

Fans as well as an owner who would not like to see ol Bud Adams end up with Young and bring him into Houston and whip the Texans every year.

There is alot to this besides just the fans. Read and listen to John McClain of the Houston Chronicle.

Imagine what it would have been like if the Oilers had passed up Earl Campbell in 1978 and he would have played his Pro Football Hall of Fame career in Cincinnati or Cleveland.

Because the Bengals and Browns were AFC Central rivals, the Oilers would have played against Campbell twice a year, including once every season in the Astrodome.

Now, imagine what it would be like if the Texans pass up Young, and he ends up with Tennessee.

That means Bud Adams would get him, and the Texans would have to play against Young twice a year, including once every season in Reliant Stadium.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/3579159.html

McClain's an idiot. Just a few weeks ago he wrote an article stating that "REAL" fans should root for the Texans to lose so that they would be guaranteed the greatest RB prospect ever, Reggie Bush.Like most casual fans, people are enamoured with the flavor of the month and have very short memories. It ultimately won't matter in the slightest what people think of who you draft, as the fans will forgive anything you do "AS LONG AS YOU WIN." This team is a long way from winning much of anything, they need pass protection on the offensive line in the worst way and the defense is paper thin. This is a major work in progress.

 

[The (Grid)Iron Giant]

Alright, let's clear some things up:1) Obviously, VY doesn't "SUCK." That's an usunually bad inflammatory statement. Does he have an NFL game? A worthy debate. But claiming he "sucks" is just distracting and annoying.2) The Texans have a serviceable RB and probably a serviceable QB. Neither is a major need, given how many holes they have elsewhere.3) Dom Davis just signed that 5/$21mil deal before this year. They could dump him whenever, sure, but the Texans have claimed they feel Bush will need a complementary back, that Bush isn't a 25-30 carry per game guy. This raises some interesting issues. First, signing Bush to #1 pick money and combining that with DD's salary, the Texans will have an obscene amount of money tied up in a position some teams like the rushing stud Broncos pay almost nothing for. Second, do you really think he's the "best RB prospect ever" if you're drafting him but don't think he can handle the load? Why would the Texans take him if that's how they feel? Would you really spend a #1 on a glorified Westbrook?It comes back to what I've said before: at some level, the Texans are screwed either way. Either they way overpay for RBs when many teams can get by on the cheap and only shell out the dough for an every-down stud like Edge or LT, or they take a gamble at QB that won't see the field for 16-32 more games and isn't a sure thing even then.If they trade down, they can dot he right thing and fill in the holes elsewhere. If they don't, it's says here they may as well gamble on the local kid who's gotten loads better every year and will let them collect a few more high draft picks. Any scenario that plays out will both make sense and offer the potential for massive disappointment. We have a good soap opera on our hands, gents.

 

[The (Grid)Iron Giant]

Two other things to consider:1) The VY hype is way out of control, but the Bush hype has been that way all year. He's an amazing player, but I don't see how he's the best prospect ever. he's fast and has good hands, he has a knack for big plays and could be put to great use by a good offensive mind, but part of me would still find his size a problem. If Lendale White is the better pro, many people will say "I told you so." It's unlikely, perhaps, but it's not like Reggie Bush is OJ or Bo.2) Casserly made David Carr his most famous pick and the face of the franchise. It's his guy. His career is almost certainly tied to Carr's success, and since he (somehow) remains the Texans GM, it would be a massive shock to see a guy in the macho NFL drop his ego and admit the QB he _just_ built the franchise around probably wasn't going to work out. If VY gets picked, you can bet Casserly's on the way out soon. Otherwise, his rep lives and dies with Carr and he will do anything he can to make him successful, for better or worse. That probably means it'll be Bush.

 

[BeTheMatch]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

Maybe they can draft Vince Young and thereby get the best player in the draft?

WOW. Not even close. Tearing up a suspect USC defense doesn't even get him close to the best player. All he is going to be is a running QB in the mold of vick. Lets get a subpar scrambling QB... maybe the Texans can bring back teh lateral and wishbone formations too.

Bush is the best player in the draft. Period. not even debatable. Leinart is a better Qb anyways.

Nice to see someone with an open mind commenting here.

Yeah I know... I admit, Im not a big fan of Young. Just sick of hearing how he is going to be great, and I could pretty much guarentee if he gets on 28-29 different teams he will SUCK. But a team like Tenessee who has someone who could TRULY mentor him, he could do well.But him on the Texans, he would be wretched.

Young SUCKS. He will take alot time to develop, far more time than Leinhart will. I don't know about you, but when I watch Vince Young, i see Kordell Stewart.

Getting pretty sick and tired of all you narrow-minded deep-thinkers that can only compare Vince Young to other QBs who happen to share the same skin color. It's disgusting.Steve Young was another guy who had good feet and great leadership skills but somewhat of an awkward throwing motion, and I think that worked out pretty well for him.

But no one on this board seems to be able to compare Vince Young to anyone other than Vick, McNabb, Brooks and Culpepper.

Why is this????????????

 

[Gargoylez]

ok he is a big doug flutie...Happy now?

 

[BeTheMatch]

ok he is a big doug flutie...

Happy now?

At least that required one second of thought - unlike all the previous posts drawing other comparisons.

 

[dotman]

ok he is a big doug flutie...

Happy now?

So you're saying he would be an upgrade over Carr?

 

[Mmen of Steel]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

just exactly how do fans pressure a team to do anything.im guessing some dumbasses on sportsradio are calling for this.

The fans in Detroit were pressuring for a Matt Millen firing.

Little good that did us.

Pressuring? What are they gonna do, hogtie the front office?

Gimme a break.

:X

 

[brednbuddah]

VY has become a bit of an icon in Texas and could sell tickets for a long time to come. Not an easy decision for an owner I imagine.

wasn't the same true with Detroit when Charles Rogers came out? How'd that work out?

CRog got HURT his first two years, and he doesn't touch the ball EVERY play - he'd be lucky to see the ball come his way 10 times a game - the QB touches the ball 40-60 times each and every game.Not even close to the same analogy.

I believe you misinterpreted the comment, it pertains to ticket sales regarding a local player coming out of college.Vince Young, Texas; could go to Houston.

Charles Rogers, Michigan State; went to Detroit.

It's a fair analogy. How'd ticket sales work out for Detroit?

 

[SoloMatisse]

Just a reminder of the Philly draft several years ago. The question.......ironically with a Texas twist.....Ricky Williams, franchise RB, or Donovan McNabb, the questionable ?????? SCRAMBLING QB with the NFL SIZE and PRESENCE. Mcnabb was booed relentlessly at the draft....for not being a RB. All he does is lead his team to 4 NFC title games and a Superbowl.....with Brian Westbrook in the backfield...... out of VILLANOVA!!! Where?? VILLANOVA!!Carr flat out sucks! Reggie Bush is FAR to small to dominate in a league dominated by BIG men.....and its all about VALUE at that position. The Texans NEED a QB because, again, their QB SUCKS!They'll suck it up and take Leinart or Young, and imo, either will be a major upgrade within 2 years. You simply dont give a guy who cant help your team gain 1 or 2 yards in an absolute MONEY situationon on third or fourth down $20 million....it just cant happen.I think FAR too many people out there have been listening to Colin Cowherd's radio show on ESPN again, and his USC and West Coast bias is obviously infectious. great comic relief, but the bias is a bit ridiculous.

 

[SoloMatisse]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

Maybe they can draft Vince Young and thereby get the best player in the draft?

WOW. Not even close. Tearing up a suspect USC defense doesn't even get him close to the best player. All he is going to be is a running QB in the mold of vick. Lets get a subpar scrambling QB... maybe the Texans can bring back teh lateral and wishbone formations too.

Bush is the best player in the draft. Period. not even debatable. Leinart is a better Qb anyways.

Nice to see someone with an open mind commenting here.

Yeah I know... I admit, Im not a big fan of Young. Just sick of hearing how he is going to be great, and I could pretty much guarentee if he gets on 28-29 different teams he will SUCK. But a team like Tenessee who has someone who could TRULY mentor him, he could do well.But him on the Texans, he would be wretched.

Young SUCKS. He will take alot time to develop, far more time than Leinhart will. I don't know about you, but when I watch Vince Young, i see Kordell Stewart.

Getting pretty sick and tired of all you narrow-minded deep-thinkers that can only compare Vince Young to other QBs who happen to share the same skin color. It's disgusting.Steve Young was another guy who had good feet and great leadership skills but somewhat of an awkward throwing motion, and I think that worked out pretty well for him.

But no one on this board seems to be able to compare Vince Young to anyone other than Vick, McNabb, Brooks and Culpepper.

Why is this????????????

Ill take this one...and I hate to point out the obvious, but as a white guy I feel compelled to admit that outside of Steve Young, there simply is no WHITE comparison to Vince Young. Have you ever seen a white QB besides Steve Young run like that? Lets not be overly sensitive....there's no shame in pointing out the obvious on occasion. Plenty of decent white passers, but the COMBINATION of skills???.....do you really want me comparing Vince Young to STEVE GROGAN???? I didnt think so.

 

[Red Apples]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

Maybe they can draft Vince Young and thereby get the best player in the draft?

WOW. Not even close. Tearing up a suspect USC defense doesn't even get him close to the best player. All he is going to be is a running QB in the mold of vick. Lets get a subpar scrambling QB... maybe the Texans can bring back teh lateral and wishbone formations too.

Bush is the best player in the draft. Period. not even debatable. Leinart is a better Qb anyways.

Nice to see someone with an open mind commenting here.

Yeah I know... I admit, Im not a big fan of Young. Just sick of hearing how he is going to be great, and I could pretty much guarentee if he gets on 28-29 different teams he will SUCK. But a team like Tenessee who has someone who could TRULY mentor him, he could do well.But him on the Texans, he would be wretched.

Young SUCKS. He will take alot time to develop, far more time than Leinhart will. I don't know about you, but when I watch Vince Young, i see Kordell Stewart.

Getting pretty sick and tired of all you narrow-minded deep-thinkers that can only compare Vince Young to other QBs who happen to share the same skin color. It's disgusting.Steve Young was another guy who had good feet and great leadership skills but somewhat of an awkward throwing motion, and I think that worked out pretty well for him.

But no one on this board seems to be able to compare Vince Young to anyone other than Vick, McNabb, Brooks and Culpepper.

Why is this????????????

Ill take this one...and I hate to point out the obvious, but as a white guy I feel compelled to admit that outside of Steve Young, there simply is no WHITE comparison to Vince Young. Have you ever seen a white QB besides Steve Young run like that? Lets not be overly sensitive....there's no shame in pointing out the obvious on occasion. Plenty of decent white passers, but the COMBINATION of skills???.....do you really want me comparing Vince Young to STEVE GROGAN???? I didnt think so.

also steve young played like what 5 years ago? kordell played this year, so its fresher in our memories.but for me vince young is basically koy detmer.

 

[DrJ]

IIRC, they just excersized Carr's option.  THat makes them idiots for devaluing the #1 pick, but it also says they aren't taking a QB.

I thought they had until March first to majke that decision - why would they make that decision now instead of then?

Because they are stupid. Seriously.

Pretty much the same reason they signed DD to a long term extension when he was still playing on a 4th round contract and would have been a RFA after this season.

Maybe they were listening to the fans then too...

 

[Red Apples]

This is big & hasnt got that much noise...

The Texans just picked up an $8 million option on their current quarterback David Carr, who is in only his fourth year in the NFL with the four-year-old Texans.

There is no way the Texans can grab Young now.

 

[kingmalaki]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince, and it's only January. He is all folks are talking about here as far as sports is concerned. Hell, his draft declaration was the lead story on every local station. Vince is also applying pressure. He lobbied for the Texans to pick him on Tuesday (Vince Young Day) and he asked again during an 1.5 hr interview with a local sports radio station.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/

http://www.sportsradio610.com/

For all the people dissing Vince and slobbing on Bush, how many of these guys games did you actually watch (games, not ESPN highlights)? I've watched them both, and I think they both will be stud players. However, neither one is a sure thing (who is when it comes to the NFL draft) and they both have question marks. Yes, Vince does need to work on his mechanics. However, it's silly to say he can't pass. He led the nation is passing percentage this year, and also passed for over 3,000 yards. Bush is legit, but he hasn't shown that he can run in between the tackles yet. They both have question marks.

We do have a QB in Carr, but we arguably have a better RB in Davis. Additionally, the lifespan of a QB is longer than that of a RB. And if we do draft Vince, we can still keep Carr and let Vince hold the clipboard for a year (see San Diego).

Bush isn't a run-away pick like most of you think....

 

[UrlacherIsGod]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

Maybe they can draft Vince Young and thereby get the best player in the draft?

IMO Young is the best player in the draft.

 

[Red Apples]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince

once again, what does crazy pressure even mean?the texans just picked up an $8,000,000 option on carr.

so if the texans draft young, they are just crazy.

 

[Jason Wood]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince

once again, what does crazy pressure even mean?the texans just picked up an $8,000,000 option on carr.

so if the texans draft young, they are just crazy.

Good GMs DO NOT LISTEN to the fans. They collectively don't know what the hell they're talking about much of the time.

The Wisdom of Crowds most certainly doesn't apply to NFL draft decisions.

 

[BeTheMatch]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

Maybe they can draft Vince Young and thereby get the best player in the draft?

WOW. Not even close. Tearing up a suspect USC defense doesn't even get him close to the best player. All he is going to be is a running QB in the mold of vick. Lets get a subpar scrambling QB... maybe the Texans can bring back teh lateral and wishbone formations too.

Bush is the best player in the draft. Period. not even debatable. Leinart is a better Qb anyways.

Nice to see someone with an open mind commenting here.

Yeah I know... I admit, Im not a big fan of Young. Just sick of hearing how he is going to be great, and I could pretty much guarentee if he gets on 28-29 different teams he will SUCK. But a team like Tenessee who has someone who could TRULY mentor him, he could do well.But him on the Texans, he would be wretched.

Young SUCKS. He will take alot time to develop, far more time than Leinhart will. I don't know about you, but when I watch Vince Young, i see Kordell Stewart.

Getting pretty sick and tired of all you narrow-minded deep-thinkers that can only compare Vince Young to other QBs who happen to share the same skin color. It's disgusting.Steve Young was another guy who had good feet and great leadership skills but somewhat of an awkward throwing motion, and I think that worked out pretty well for him.

But no one on this board seems to be able to compare Vince Young to anyone other than Vick, McNabb, Brooks and Culpepper.

Why is this????????????

Ill take this one...and I hate to point out the obvious, but as a white guy I feel compelled to admit that outside of Steve Young, there simply is no WHITE comparison to Vince Young. Have you ever seen a white QB besides Steve Young run like that? Lets not be overly sensitive....there's no shame in pointing out the obvious on occasion. Plenty of decent white passers, but the COMBINATION of skills???.....do you really want me comparing Vince Young to STEVE GROGAN???? I didnt think so.

Well, how about J.P. Losman, Jake Plummer or Mark Brunell (in his prime)? Those are some guys that are far more comparable than Aaron Brooks.Gimme a break.

I'm not saying everyone on here is a racist, but the knee-jerk reaction from far too many people is still stuck in 1960s. The assumption is that, well, he's black, so he can run but can't pass at all.

That may be true (although I beg to differ), but there are plenty of white guys (and I came up with several off the top of my head) that fit that bill too. Why is that no one on this board has compared him to a white guy, including you?

It goes both ways - just like when Matt Jones was called an Ed McCaffrey or Drew Bennett type. The difference is that the hype machine also included comparisons to Moss. For black QBs, sadly, a lot of people still can't get past race.

 

[kingmalaki]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince

once again, what does crazy pressure even mean?the texans just picked up an $8,000,000 option on carr.

so if the texans draft young, they are just crazy.

Good GMs DO NOT LISTEN to the fans. They collectively don't know what the hell they're talking about much of the time.

The Wisdom of Crowds most certainly doesn't apply to NFL draft decisions.

Why are we crazy to draft Young? We are 2-14 and clearly rebuilding. We won't make the playoffs next year.Reggie Bush won't turn us into a playoff contender next year, and neither will Vince Young. With that being said, I still think both will be studs. Unless you think Vince will be a bust, I don't see the point of passing on him for a RB with a shorter lifespan.

The $8M option on Carr doesn't mean we can't draft another QB. Vince can sit on the bench and learn, similar to Steve McNair, Carson Palmer and Drew Brees this season. If Carr improves next season (because he clearly isn't playing great now), then his trade value will be even higher.

And in case you didn't notice, we recently gave our RB a nice extension to, and he has definately been better than Carr. RB hasn't been a problem for the Texans....

 

[parasaurolophus]

dude put the race card back in your pocket and play it some other day. also for those who bring up that vince young led the nation in passing effiency, didnt Vick lead the nation one year? how did that work out for him?

 

[The (Grid)Iron Giant]

dude put the race card back in your pocket and play it some other day.

also for those who bring up that vince young led the nation in passing effiency, didnt Vick lead the nation one year? how did that work out for him?

I believe that's false, and more importantly, I think Vick threw something like 139 total passes in college. Young threw 40 in the Rose Bowl alone (completing 30).Apples and oranges, especially when you consider how Vick couldn't lead Va Tech over Fla State for the title but Vince dominated USC. May not mean much for the NFL, but it counts for something...

 

[kingmalaki]

dude put the race card back in your pocket and play it some other day.

also for those who bring up that vince young led the nation in passing effiency, didnt Vick lead the nation one year? how did that work out for him?

Did Vick have over 3,000 yards passing that season, and win a national championship in an offense averaging like 50 a game...and post these numbers while sitting out most 4th quarters?Didn't think so........

 

[John 14:6]

To me, there appear to be two separate arguments here: What the Texans SHOULD do and what the Texans WILL do.I think it's too early to give up on Carr and their running game is already doing well. IMO they should trade the pick and draft line help.Of course, trading draft picks isn't necessarily all that easy. If they can't get good value in return, I think they should draft Vince Young. QB is a greater concern than RB (though I still think it's too early to give up on Carr, I like Domanick Davis much better than him) and QBs have longer careers. Also, it would put fans in the seats.What I think they WILL do is draft Bush. As mentioned, they've exercised an option on Carr already and there has been so much Bush hype all year. I don't think it's the best move, but I think that's what will happen.If that is how it plays out, Bush should be a great fantasy player right away. Looking at how they use Davis, yet with greater skills. While there are durability concerns with Bush, there are also durability issues with Davis.If they do draft Bush and can get good value for Davis, I think trading him would be the ideal outcome of this scenario for the Texans and for fantasy players.

 

[nygiants56]

VY has become a bit of an icon in Texas and could sell tickets for a long time to come. Not an easy decision for an owner I imagine.

Sure it is an easy decision:we drafted David Carr at the top of the draft, and he sucks.we're not picking another QB that early, ever again.period.

its THAT easy.

 

[Warpig]

I think the Texans should do this from a business point of view. I think it would be a waste of a pick if they took Bush. He'd be running behind a horrible O-line...just ask David Carr. Besides, DD is a damn good back in his own right. If the Texans took VY, they would be getting someone that could adjust to the lack of protection with his scrambling ability and could make plays on his own. I also think that VY is a better passer then Mike Vick and possibly better than David Carr. If Carr were a good QB he'd be making plays on his own but he's incapable. That Offense has been abysmal for years now. Good Qb's will find a way to make plays and Carr hasn't been able to do that...DD is the MVP of that team. If they draft VY, they put butts in the seats and they'd probably sell alot more season tickets. VY would be a God there! So I say go ahead and take VY then draft some O-line to help him out. Don't buy into the Bush hype.

 

[Gargoylez]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince

once again, what does crazy pressure even mean?the texans just picked up an $8,000,000 option on carr.

so if the texans draft young, they are just crazy.

Good GMs DO NOT LISTEN to the fans. They collectively don't know what the hell they're talking about much of the time.

The Wisdom of Crowds most certainly doesn't apply to NFL draft decisions.

Why are we crazy to draft Young? We are 2-14 and clearly rebuilding. We won't make the playoffs next year.Reggie Bush won't turn us into a playoff contender next year, and neither will Vince Young. With that being said, I still think both will be studs. Unless you think Vince will be a bust, I don't see the point of passing on him for a RB with a shorter lifespan.

The $8M option on Carr doesn't mean we can't draft another QB. Vince can sit on the bench and learn, similar to Steve McNair, Carson Palmer and Drew Brees this season. If Carr improves next season (because he clearly isn't playing great now), then his trade value will be even higher.

And in case you didn't notice, we recently gave our RB a nice extension to, and he has definately been better than Carr. RB hasn't been a problem for the Texans....

Wow, thank god your not a GM.8 million option..... plus Youngs bonus of probably 15-20 million dollars. THATS an OUTSTANDING way to rebuild... Send yourself to cap hell right out of the gate and for the future!

The ideal thing for the texans is take ANY deal to say the Jets for there picka nd few others, draft Dbrickshaw Furgeson, and look to get some defensive help there on out, and look for Olineman in free agency. Of course that is much easier said then done and long shot at the least.

But Young to the Texans? That is an EXTREME longshot. Titans might reach for him at 3.

I feel the texans tried ot get there SKILL position players before they even had the groundwork for a offensive line or a decent defense. Carr has the opportunity to be successful witha decent Oline, and Davis is a top 10 back when healthy with Wells filling in nicely.

 

[Marc Levin]

IF not, he reported that the Texan fans are pressuring the Texans to take Vince young rather than Reggie Bush.

Will the Texans give in and give the fans what they want or will they draft the best player in the draft???? A team that went 2-12, would it be smart to give them what they to make them happy after a horrible season?

Maybe they can draft Vince Young and thereby get the best player in the draft?

WOW. Not even close. Tearing up a suspect USC defense doesn't even get him close to the best player. All he is going to be is a running QB in the mold of vick. Lets get a subpar scrambling QB... maybe the Texans can bring back teh lateral and wishbone formations too.

Bush is the best player in the draft. Period. not even debatable. Leinart is a better Qb anyways.

Nice to see someone with an open mind commenting here.

Yeah I know... I admit, Im not a big fan of Young. Just sick of hearing how he is going to be great, and I could pretty much guarentee if he gets on 28-29 different teams he will SUCK. But a team like Tenessee who has someone who could TRULY mentor him, he could do well.But him on the Texans, he would be wretched.

Young SUCKS. He will take alot time to develop, far more time than Leinhart will. I don't know about you, but when I watch Vince Young, i see Kordell Stewart.

That's funny - many more of us see Donovan McNabb (or Culpepper).

Perception is king.

 

[Jason Wood]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince

once again, what does crazy pressure even mean?the texans just picked up an $8,000,000 option on carr.

so if the texans draft young, they are just crazy.

Good GMs DO NOT LISTEN to the fans. They collectively don't know what the hell they're talking about much of the time.

The Wisdom of Crowds most certainly doesn't apply to NFL draft decisions.

Why are we crazy to draft Young? We are 2-14 and clearly rebuilding. We won't make the playoffs next year.Reggie Bush won't turn us into a playoff contender next year, and neither will Vince Young. With that being said, I still think both will be studs. Unless you think Vince will be a bust, I don't see the point of passing on him for a RB with a shorter lifespan.

The $8M option on Carr doesn't mean we can't draft another QB. Vince can sit on the bench and learn, similar to Steve McNair, Carson Palmer and Drew Brees this season. If Carr improves next season (because he clearly isn't playing great now), then his trade value will be even higher.

And in case you didn't notice, we recently gave our RB a nice extension to, and he has definately been better than Carr. RB hasn't been a problem for the Texans....

Where did I say it would be crazy to draft Young? What I'm saying is that Charlie Casserly and the personnel department should draft Vince Young ONLY IF THEY BELIEVE HE'S THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE and should in no way, shape or form let the "pressure" from the Texans fans alter their course. If Casserly rates Bush at the top...they should take Bush and the fans will learn to love the kid

If Casserly rates Young at the top...they should take Young, placating the fans would be a secondary benefit

If Casserly thinks A.J. Hawk is the second coming of Lawrence Taylor...they should take Hawk and be prepared to deal with the maelstrom of criticism.

Trading down is obviously another option, but again, they shouldn't do that because the FANS WANT TO SEE IT, but only if they feel it's in the best interest of the team.

 

[trollmonger]

I'm not a fan of the Texans and I don't claim to understand exactly what they need to become a contender but certainly both QB and RB seem be serviceable at worst. It seems, at least to this outsider, that they need a lot of other things.So why not trade down? Yes, they have to get decent value. Chargers got Rivers (let's say 1.04), Giants 3rd and a 1st and a 5th the following year. If they got anything close to this, I have to believe this would improve the team more than Bush, Young, Leinhart or whoever alone. This just seems like a no-brainer to me. If they are convinced that Carr or DD is not the answer, that's different but they've shown them the money so I have to believe they haven't given up on either yet. Get them some help, not competition!

 

[Dave Baker]

Bottom line is that the Texans will take Bush if they keep the #1 pick, which is extremely likely.

 

[loqutis]

"If you listen to the fans and media, you will soon be sitting with them." -- AJ Smith, on the best advice he received from Marv Levy.

Despite the 2005 debacle, the Eagles are widely held as one of the better run franchises in the last five years. If it were up to the Philly fans, the team would have...

Drafted Ricky Williams instead of Donovan McNabb

Picked "anyone" besides three defensive backs the year we drafted Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard and Michael Brown
Re-signed Shawn Barber
Re-signed Jeremiah Trotter to the biggest contract by a LB in league history
Re-signed Troy Vincent AND Bobby Taylor
Re-signed Hugh Douglas when he left for Jacksonville

Yeah, but don't confuse Houston for a team that has a clue.If the Lions had listened to fans last year they would have Derrick Johnson instead of Mike Williams.

and Winslow instead of Roy Williams

 

[kingmalaki]

I'm not a fan of the Texans and I don't claim to understand exactly what they need to become a contender but certainly both QB and RB seem be serviceable at worst. It seems, at least to this outsider, that they need a lot of other things.

So why not trade down? Yes, they have to get decent value. Chargers got Rivers (let's say 1.04), Giants 3rd and a 1st and a 5th the following year. If they got anything close to this, I have to believe this would improve the team more than Bush, Young, Leinhart or whoever alone.

This just seems like a no-brainer to me.

If they are convinced that Carr or DD is not the answer, that's different but they've shown them the money so I have to believe they haven't given up on either yet. Get them some help, not competition!

I wouldn't mind trading down if our GM wasn't such a ######. I don't have confidence in him due to moves like:1. Trading a 2nd, 3rd round pick for Philip Buchanon

2. Trading a 2nd, 3rd, 4th round pick for Jason Babin

3. Signing Victor Riley as our best offensive lineman in the

offseason

4. Giving hefty extensions to Kailee Wong, Gary Walker, Marcus

Coleman

5. Releasing Aaron Glenn and Jaime Sharper and signing Greenwood

6. Drafting Bennie Joppru in the 2nd round

7. Drafting Tony Hollings in the 2nd round

8. Drafting Dave Ragone in the 3rd round

9. Drafting Travis Johnson and bypassing Derrick Johnson in last

year's draft

10. Signing Corey "I can't catch a ball if my life depended on it"

Bradford

That, and I think Vince will be a stud.

 

[Joseph]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince

once again, what does crazy pressure even mean?the texans just picked up an $8,000,000 option on carr.

so if the texans draft young, they are just crazy.

You could say the same of the 4 year 22 million extension they gave Davis before the season too...

 

[Red Apples]

Houstonian here:

Fans are applying CRAZY pressure to draft Vince

once again, what does crazy pressure even mean?the texans just picked up an $8,000,000 option on carr.

so if the texans draft young, they are just crazy.

You could say the same of the 4 year 22 million extension they gave Davis before the season too...

nah, that 22 million aint guaranteed like carrs 8 is

 

[kbleck]

I just dont get this at all, I have been a Houston Oiler fan since the 70's and came back to a Houston fan with the new franchise. I just dont see how you can say you must draft Vince Young #1. Yes he had a great Rosebowl, but USC is not an NFL defense. VY does have running skills but against an NFL defense he wont get big numbers there especially in Houston. Take away the time to pass and I think he will founder. Also teams dont like to see their franchise player taking big hits. Vick does this all the time and will have to change his game to be a QB more than being quick to say hell ill just run. Vick is a Mediocre QB at best.Everyone talks about selling tickets. Did you realize that even with a 2-11 season Houston puts 70k in the seats every game. Texas is Football and Football is Texas. People are not going to come to the games to see VY on the bench for 2 years and then when they still suck every week be calling for him to play. Then play before he is ready and take a beating.What is going to sell tickets is a winning football team. Reggie Bush will make an immediate impact. He single handedly will win you 3 more games with is punt/kick returns, slot back, hell you could even play him as a receiver all year. He sure the hell has better talent than POS Bradford or Gaffney.Personally i think Coaching was the problem in Houston. 5 Wins, 7 wins to 3 wins with basically the same personell just points to Coaching IMO.Everyone points to the O Line which is pretty suspect, but the tools are there. Carr is decent, Davis is solid, AJ is going to be a good player for years to come.Maybe it is just me but I just dont get the VY Hype. Houston has to draft Bush and use him they are a better team with him tomorrow. With VY they are still a 3-11 team going nowhere and spending a ton of money.I dont think that anyone would draft Randall Cunningham over Barry Sanders and that is an old school comparrison but that is how i see the talent. VY will be Solid, but Bush will make a franchise.

 

[kingmalaki]

Here is a take that I like from a poster on another board. Again, I think VY is going to be a stud. I think Bush is too. Unless you think VY is gonna flop, I don't see why you wouldn't draft him. QB's impact the game more than RB's."Here would be a great poll question to run nationwide. Do you think that Vince Young will be a superstar game changing quarterback in the NFL? Yes or No.I would bet that 75% of the nation would vote Yes. The question the Texans will be answering is who will help us win more games and more Super Bowls, Vince or Reggie? That's it. If they draft Reggie, and leave Carr as our starting QB, they are saying they think they will win more games and more Super Bowls than if they draft any other player and make what other ancillary moves to go along with that draft pick. In the Hakeem MJ draft, common sense said we should go with Hakeem, the big man over the MJ the swingman. All things being equal you always take big over small. In that case, heads and hearts agreed. But what if Hakeem were from Chapel Hill and MJ were from Houston? Heads would have said Hakeem, hearts would have said MJ. The great what if. What would the Rockets have done? They'd probably have still drafted Hakeem. After all, they left Rashard crying in the green room. No reason to think they would have taken MJ over Hakeem. Except.........................................can you imagine the public outcry if MJ were from here and the Rockets didn't draft him and he went to Chicago and won 6 championships? Yeah, we would have still had our 2 rings. But would we be content with that? Nope, we'd always be bringing up the fact that we could've had MJ and gotten 6. By the same token, if MJ had been rated just a little bit better than Hakeem and if Hakeem had been rated as questionmark and as a toss up with Sam Bowie over who was the better player, the fans of Houston would still have been screaming for Akeem the Dream.......just like they were anyway. And you know what........we would still be happy with our 2 rings......just like we are now. And you know what........if we didn't have a ring to show for Hakeem's career............we would all say, "Oh well, we coulda won those 6 rings with Jordan.....but there was no way the Rockets could pass up on the local product..Phi Slamma Jamma, etc. etc. etc. We would have justified Hakeem's career and his selection by our local team. Even if Hakeem and Sam Bowie traded places, and Bowie been the player that was great and Hakeem the player whose career was cut short, we would all look back at that draft with the "Oh well, we had to do it." It would not cause us to not be fans of our team.Unless one thing. Unless we had an owner the equivalent of Donald Sterling who didn't care about winning. But we didn't and we don't. That's what makes the difference. Winning owners and general managers keep making the changes necessary to produce winners. We would have still won enough games to have a solid fan base, and we would have still had good players here, even if Hakeem blew out a knee his rookie season and never played again.You see, there is this synergy that comes along only every so often. A synergy that is unique to Lebron James and his hometown Cleveland Cavaliers, Hakeem and the Rockets, Clemens and the Astros, where an outstanding athlete with superstar potential or who is a superstar already comes along with the opportunity to be the name on the face of the local franchise. Yeah, Lebron may blow out a knee and never be the same player while Carmelo goes on to win multiple rings. So what. The Cavaliers made the right choice, no matter what the results will be in the future. They drafted the hometown superstar. There wasn't even a debate. Even though all the junk was going on with his mother and the big SUV and the autographed merchandise, etc. etc. Even though Melo was in college winning a national championship. They took the hometown superstar. Yeah, Roger might eat up $15-$20 million of salary next year and blow out his rotator cuff the first time he steps on the mound in June. But you gotta sign him up and take the risk if you can get him. Yeah, Hakeem could have been Sam Bowie, yeah, he could have bolted during his contract negotiations, yeah, MJ could have not retired and the Rockets never won anything.I just don't see how the Texans are going to be able to get around drafting Vince Young. If the kid goes to Tennessee and wins a couple Super Bowls, the franchise will kick itself and will have to listen a ton of negative sentiment from the locals for at least a couple decades. By the same token, if the kid stays in Houston and plays for the Texans, the stadium will be sold out for every game he is barking behind center, win or lose, and if he falls on his face and we have to start over again, the fan base as a whole will say, "Oh well, we had to take him, he's from Houston.." And we'll start over again rooting for our team to become champions. The franchise won't have a negative mark on it.By the same token, if the Texans draft Bush, and Young goes elsewhere, the Texans are going to have to significantly outperform whatever team Young is playing on for the period of Young's career. Otherwise the fans will be constantly reminding the franchise about what could have been. Some things are just bigger than numbers on a stat sheet. Some things cannot be quantified with stop watches, and salary slots, and depth charts. This is one of dem things. How could the Texans not take this kid, with all the potential, with all the risk of failure, and eliminate the "what ifs..." for the next couple decades?? The Texans need to draft Vince Young. It could turn out great, you never know."

 

[kingmalaki]

I just dont get this at all, I have been a Houston Oiler fan since the 70's and came back to a Houston fan with the new franchise. I just dont see how you can say you must draft Vince Young #1.

Yes he had a great Rosebowl, but USC is not an NFL defense. VY does have running skills but against an NFL defense he wont get big numbers there especially in Houston. Take away the time to pass and I think he will founder. Also teams dont like to see their franchise player taking big hits. Vick does this all the time and will have to change his game to be a QB more than being quick to say hell ill just run. Vick is a Mediocre QB at best.

Everyone talks about selling tickets. Did you realize that even with a 2-11 season Houston puts 70k in the seats every game. Texas is Football and Football is Texas. People are not going to come to the games to see VY on the bench for 2 years and then when they still suck every week be calling for him to play. Then play before he is ready and take a beating.

What is going to sell tickets is a winning football team. Reggie Bush will make an immediate impact. He single handedly will win you 3 more games with is punt/kick returns, slot back, hell you could even play him as a receiver all year. He sure the hell has better talent than POS Bradford or Gaffney.

Personally i think Coaching was the problem in Houston. 5 Wins, 7 wins to 3 wins with basically the same personell just points to Coaching IMO.

Everyone points to the O Line which is pretty suspect, but the tools are there. Carr is decent, Davis is solid, AJ is going to be a good player for years to come.

Maybe it is just me but I just dont get the VY Hype. Houston has to draft Bush and use him they are a better team with him tomorrow. With VY they are still a 3-11 team going nowhere and spending a ton of money.

I dont think that anyone would draft Randall Cunningham over Barry Sanders and that is an old school comparrison but that is how i see the talent. VY will be Solid, but Bush will make a franchise.

USC isn't a NFL defense, but do you realize Bush played all season against Pac-10 defenses? VY put up 3000, 1000 this yr. I would say Big 12 D was better than Pac-10 D.I don't know if you still love in Houston, but fans didn't come to the last 2-3 home games, even though their season tickets were already paid for. The honeymoon is over....

I doubt any player we draft leads us to 3-4 more wins. We suck....

 

[kbleck]

Everyone who doesnt play in the PAC 10 knocks it. Most of the teams run a west coast offense, since they are on the west coast. The PAC 10 doesnt get any respect because no other conferences will play them. LSU a few years back sure didnt like OSU almost pulling the upset. Michigan losing to Oregon 2 years ago hurt them. Also there isnt much national fanbase for PAC 10 schools so that is why they dont get the notariety. Maybe im Biased, and I enjoy scoring over a 10-7 game. Plus I live in Oregon and go to the Home OSU and Oregon games. Oregon at Michigan this year will be interesting.Regardless of the conference etc, College is no where near what QB's will see in the NFL. Alex Smith was awesome at Utah, and flat out sucks in the NFL. I would say that if Houston Trades down and actually gets some other valuable players and then drafts VY then fine. But if they draft VY first over Bush without getting anything else, consider me a Bengal Fan from here on

 

[Buckna]

Where did I say it would be crazy to draft Young? What I'm saying is that Charlie Casserly and the personnel department should draft Vince Young ONLY IF THEY BELIEVE HE'S THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE and should in no way, shape or form let the "pressure" from the Texans fans alter their course.

If Casserly rates Bush at the top...they should take Bush and the fans will learn to love the kid

If Casserly rates Young at the top...they should take Young, placating the fans would be a secondary benefit

If Casserly thinks A.J. Hawk is the second coming of Lawrence Taylor...they should take Hawk and be prepared to deal with the maelstrom of criticism.

Trading down is obviously another option, but again, they shouldn't do that because the FANS WANT TO SEE IT, but only if they feel it's in the best interest of the team.

I thought about replying to Malaki's long post but thought it best to just bump this last post by Wood. Two weeks ago we were debating whether Vince would even be drafted in the top 10, now he's being compared to once in a lifetime players like Michael Jordan. Thank god NFL personnel people have some perspective, because the average fan most certainly does not.No one will give a crap if Vince was from Houston if three years from now the Texans are still turning in losing seasons. I guarantee games will not

be sold out for every game he is barking behind center, win or lose.

Fans support WINNERS, they are fickle, and they have very short memories...

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I'm not a fan of the Texans and I don't claim to understand exactly what they need to become a contender but certainly both QB and RB seem be serviceable at worst. It seems, at least to this outsider, that they need a lot of other things.

So why not trade down? Yes, they have to get decent value. Chargers got Rivers (let's say 1.04), Giants 3rd and a 1st and a 5th the following year. If they got anything close to this, I have to believe this would improve the team more than Bush, Young, Leinhart or whoever alone.

This just seems like a no-brainer to me.

If they are convinced that Carr or DD is not the answer, that's different but they've shown them the money so I have to believe they haven't given up on either yet. Get them some help, not competition!

I wouldn't mind trading down if our GM wasn't such a ######. I don't have confidence in him due to moves like:1. Trading a 2nd, 3rd round pick for Philip Buchanon

2. Trading a 2nd, 3rd, 4th round pick for Jason Babin

3. Signing Victor Riley as our best offensive lineman in the

offseason

4. Giving hefty extensions to Kailee Wong, Gary Walker, Marcus

Coleman

5. Releasing Aaron Glenn and Jaime Sharper and signing Greenwood

6. Drafting Bennie Joppru in the 2nd round

7. Drafting Tony Hollings in the 2nd round

8. Drafting Dave Ragone in the 3rd round

9. Drafting Travis Johnson and bypassing Derrick Johnson in last

year's draft

10. Signing Corey "I can't catch a ball if my life depended on it"

Bradford

That, and I think Vince will be a stud.

Also don't forget that his idea of "bolstering" the OL was to sign RG Zach Weigert and RT Todd Wade (who is especially awful) to big deals. Hell, we couldn't even run the ball to the right side half the year, everything had to go left. Another thing that always bugged me was how the DL (Walker, Payne, Smith) all had pretty big contracts to basically be gap-fillers. Walker's the only one who ever makes a play, and he's always injured half the year.

The biggest problem with Casserly (besides letting coaches take the fall for his crappy personnel decisions) is that he generally sucks in the middle rounds (other than Domanick Davis and Jerome Mathis). Scares the hell outta me with what he's going to do with our 2nd and two high 3rds. These are the rounds goods teams are made of, and we royally suck because our GM royally sucks in this department. He justified the Buchanon trade by saying the 3rd rounder was basically a freebie (came over in the Drew Henson deal). He made a good move for once then totally pissed it away like it was no big deal. You don't throw picks away just because you've got an extra one. That's where he should have been drafting his linemen, with the picks he pissed away for Buchanon and Babin. It's very disturbing that this guy still has a job. Trading down is only good when you've got a guy who knows how to use the picks.

 

[GregR_2]

I think part of what separates people so much on this issue is that the opinions about Carr and DD are vastly different vs what people want to focus on. For example.About Carr, one can notice things like: * He's been sacked an ungodly amount of times. * He hasn't been the best about eluding the rush. * He had a pathetic season this year where he didn't have a pass for 50 yards until the next to last game of the year.Or, one can notice things like: * He only has 1 WR who can consistently get open. * Playing behind that horrible line last year he was still top 12 in passing yards and 16th in QB rating. * He's pretty accurate and has a good arm. * He's fast afoot (though not so much in the elusive sense). * His coaching staff couldn't get the line to pass block effectively. * His coaching staff seldom made good adjustments or had a game plan that exposed a weakness in the opposition.With Domanic Davis the same is true to a lesser extent. People can vastly differ on how good DD is. Some see him as being in perhaps the 2nd highest tier of RB talent, while others see him as being middle of the road, and some lower. Then there are people's views of the lines. And while I've given views of both sides above showing how there's positives and negatives, I think this one is more of an absolute. And since people time and again get this wrong, let me spell it out. THE O-LINE CANNOT PASS BLOCK, BUT THEY ARE A TOP 10 RUN BLOCKING UNIT.Read that again. THE O-LINE IS A TOP 10 RUN BLOCKING UNIT. If you don't believe me, go look at the average yards per carry amongst all teams. Go look at the rushing stats the the backup RBs have put up when Davis isn't in there. So please, let's put an end to the people talking about how silly it is to get Bush to run behind a line that can't block for him.It is true though that how they block for the QB is a major issue in Houston. Without a doubt Houston has to improve their pass protection. Now whichever way you view Carr, and DD, I'd tend to think that Gary Kubiak could do a lot to improve the offense on this team even not counting personnel changes.I personally tend to think Carr has the ability to be a good NFL QB if they get some good coaching in there, and give him some pass protection and someone besides AJ to throw to. Since I think Bush can help in that because he's so versatile in his ability to split out wide, I would tend to think he goes further to addressing the problems than Young would. Now some of course think Carr is trash, and if that's the case, yeah you'd say we should take Young. But as I pointed out at the top, there's a lot of plusses and minuses both to Carr, and it is far from a given that he won't be a good NFL QB (just as it is far from a certainty that he'll be a Pro Bowler some day).

 

[BeTheMatch]

This week's Sporting News said that Houston's retention of Casserly as the GM is a huge indication that they'll be taking Bush.They said Casserly still believes in Carr, and that there's no way they'd keep Casserly if they wanted Vince Young.

 

[Colin Dowling]

This week's Sporting News said that Houston's retention of Casserly as the GM is a huge indication that they'll be taking Bush.

They said Casserly still believes in Carr, and that there's no way they'd keep Casserly if they wanted Vince Young.

Well, this week's Houston Chronicle NFL guy (John McClain) who is usually pretty on target said that (1) Kubak is definitely the coach (2) Young is the pick and (3) Greg Davis, UTexas's OC will be the Texans new QB coach.So, disparate views abound...

COlin

 

[BeTheMatch]

This week's Sporting News said that Houston's retention of Casserly as the GM is a huge indication that they'll be taking Bush.

They said Casserly still believes in Carr, and that there's no way they'd keep Casserly if they wanted Vince Young.

Well, this week's Houston Chronicle NFL guy (John McClain) who is usually pretty on target said that (1) Kubak is definitely the coach (2) Young is the pick and (3) Greg Davis, UTexas's OC will be the Texans new QB coach.So, disparate views abound...

COlin

And this from John Clayton today:The more you hear out of Houston, the Texans may be leaning toward drafting Texas quarterback Vince Young instead of USC running back Reggie Bush. The thinking is that Young is too popular to pass up. He grew up within two miles of Reliant Stadium and is one of the most popular players to come out of Texas. Should the Texans draft him, they would play him behind David Carr for a year or two and give him a chance to develop as a quarterback. The Texans are hoping to get a chance to hire Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak within the next two weeks. He's the leading candidate for that job.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If the Texans are ready to give up on Carr, there are ~20 other NFL franchises that would jump at the chance to acquire him. I think Carr has shown far too much in the last 2-3 years to toss him aside for the Rose Bowl MVP.If I'm the Texans, I:- Give Carr the $8MM;- Continue to hype Bush as the clear cut, undisputable, once in a generation back that many see him as;- Wait until 2-3 days before the draft and trade down, likely with the Jets, who need both a gamebreaker and a franchise face.- Draft DaBrick, and more depth with the bounty from the deal.

 

[Colin Dowling]

If the Texans are ready to give up on Carr, there are ~20 other NFL franchises that would jump at the chance to acquire him. I think Carr has shown far too much in the last 2-3 years to toss him aside for the Rose Bowl MVP.

If I'm the Texans, I:

- Give Carr the $8MM;

- Continue to hype Bush as the clear cut, undisputable, once in a generation back that many see him as;

- Wait until 2-3 days before the draft and trade down, likely with the Jets, who need both a gamebreaker and a franchise face.

- Draft DaBrick, and more depth with the bounty from the deal.

Good post. I think that the Texans are deliberately trying to get the Jets and Titans to bid on the #1 pick. Honestly, if I were the Texans, I'd give up the #1 for John Abraham (who can go both ways on D), the #4, a 3rd round pick, and a 3rd rounder in 2007. Get Ferguson, imrove the D, and get some depth.

Colin