Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (3 Viewers)

[Concept Coop]

After last night's game, my first thought was Lacy looked a lot like what people have been describing Richardson as for the last 30 pages in his thread.

He did run hard, and the Seahawks are a great defense, and he lost his RT, and... But what I saw was a RB who hit the hole hard, but always got caught up in the junk at the LOS and would push/fall forward for a yard or two. On 12 carries, he had only 2 that went for 4+ yards. It seemed like he always ran where the play was designed to go. He didn't seem to have any patience and, ran into a pileups when a cutback or other lane was open.

If I was an owner I wouldn't freak though. He was very good last season, playing a tough D and one game doesn't make a pattern. But last night, he looked bad IMO.

I didn't see that at all. When you're getting bottled up, there's only so much you can do. I'm not saying this to put you on the spot--but I'd really like to see what you saw. If you have an example I can check out--I'd appreciate it. No need to research if you don't off the top of your head. I'm just curious and would be up for taking another look.

 

[John 14:6]

I missed out Starks, someone else drafted him...

A critical-thinker?

?

 

[Raider Nation]

I missed out Starks, someone else drafted him...

A critical-thinker?

?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=678557&p=17184481

Just having some fun with Em.

 

[Raider Nation]

PFT:

Earlier on Friday, Packers coach Mike McCarthy said running back Eddie Lacy has cleared the first step of the NFL’s concussion protocol. Per a league source, Lacy is optimistic that, in the next nine days, he’ll clear them all.

Lacy, who suffered a concussion last September and missed the next game because of it, has some extra time to get ready given that the Packers played on the opening Thursday of the season. On September 14, the PAckers face the Jets.

Still, Lacy has now sustained two concussions in 16 career regular-season games. The Packers have high aspirations for Lacy in 2014; if he develops a concussion problem, it will be difficult for him to meet those goals.

It’s already going to be difficult to meet those goals, given that Lacy gained only 34 yards rushing on Friday night against the Seahawks.

 

[georg013]

Now is not the time to start acting like a p"oo"sy over last night's performance. The guy is going to be light's out. That new Rock 'em Sock 'em helmet has turned concussions into mild headaches. This is exactly how I moved Ray Rice for Lacy, Fitzgerald, and a 2015 1st round pick last season. The Lacy owner panicked and made an idiot trade. Lacy is going to be a beast and Seattle will be his worst performance of the year. Glad it's out of the way.

 

[John 14:6]

I missed out Starks, someone else drafted him...

A critical-thinker?

?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=678557&p=17184481

Just having some fun with Em.

Ah, missed that...

Me -> :whoosh:

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Kool-aid Larry....

Where do you have Lacy ranked and what are your projections for him?

ok, I doubt anybody is checking this thread for kool-aid larry's draft breakdown, but I'll work off ffcalc for some thumbnail opinion.

first of all, I mostly look in these threads for opinion from others, but I did have a bit of an opinion of my own going in this time, as I had spent a fair amount of effort looking at green bay a couple years ago for some similar thread about starks, grant, or wtfever it was --- the conclusion I came up with is green bay is constantly throwing in the endzone, and even when they don't you get vultured by rodgers and kuhn, so the gb rb didn't really appeal to me, and I have yet to see much, if anything, contrary to that.

not only wasn't lacy's production boosted by rodgers, as people like to insist based on their imaginations, it might have actually been hurt by all these great surrounding players on this historic offense crowding out his td opps.

I'd prefer to look at it drive by drive, but I'm not doing that again.

anyway, here are the (ppr) picks off the top of my head, as my draft is a couple weeks away and I'm still in process:

one thing I notice in this thread is a lot of true believers seem to hang their hats on volume, and I don't generally try to predict injuries, so ppg is more what i tend to look at.

LeSean McCoy

Jamaal Charles

Matt Forte

Adrian Peterson

nobody's a lock for anything, but I really don't see any reason lacy pushes past those ^^ guys.

here's more of the list in ffcalc order

Calvin Johnson

Demaryius Thomas

Jimmy Graham

Dez Bryant

DeMarco Murray

Brandon Marshall

Peyton Manning

Julio Jones

Montee Ball

Jordy Nelson

Arian Foster

Rob Gronkowski

those ^^ are probably all guys I would prefer to lacy, some of which I obviously don't need to take at 1.05, or whatever, but I just put them in there, anyway.

Eddie Lacy

A.J. Green

Marshawn Lynch

LeVeon Bell

Drew Brees

Aaron Rodgers

Antonio Brown

these guys ^^ are players of comparable value that I probably won't end up with, and probably don't have to make the decision on at 1.05

I don't think lacy is elite, and I think there are later round rb who have potential to give me comparable production, whereas it would be tougher to get comparable late round production on the elite te or wr.

lynch, bush, bell, foster, and even vereen, I think, were all comparable ppg values in my league last year, and I actually think chris johnson can close in on that with expected ppr points.

I'd take lacy somewhere in the second, but i doubt i'll have that decision to make

ok, I think all those guys outscored lacy, except charles, which was about a wash, and calvin hasn't gone yet.

 

[Raider Nation]

 

[LionOfGosforth]

What's the issue? Line play? Play-calling? Freakin sick of this dude barely 2 games in.

 

[Raider Nation]

We finally found out who doesn't like Eddie Lacy: his owners.

 

[stbugs]

Agreed, what the heck? He was solid last year. It reminds me of Alfred Morris last year when they felt like it was better to fake with him since he is a good goal line back.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Christ, couldn't even give him the 2pt conversion, had to pass.

 

[valhallan]

He got a goal line carry, but it was on 3rd down after they botched two pass attempts.

 

[ponchsox]

At least he's healthy at the moment.

 

[GROOT]

Now I see why Pittsburgh took L. Bell instead.

 

[Raider Nation]

All shtick aside, the Jets have the baddest D-line in the league against the run. If he struggles against a weaker run D, then it's time to worry.

 

[ponchsox]

He does look like TRich out there.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

I actually compared him to TRich in his main thread back in August. Mainly was comparing him as a second year back with huge out-of-proportion hype like TRich last year, not the actual talent level. I'm beginning to think the parallels are a lot more than I first thought.

 

[shadyridr]

Vs SEA and NYJ and next week vs DET. Buy low couldnt be more obvious

 

[LionOfGosforth]

About the best you can say is that the match-ups have been terrible and he surely can only improve after DET.

 

[tjnc09]

The Packers are not a running team. I don't see why people think Lacy will replicate last year when Rodgers was out for half of the season.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I missed the game -- how'd he do?

 

[mikel0254]

I missed the game -- how'd he do?

No bueno. About expected vs the Jets. Line didn't do him any favors, but he was dancing looking for that whole all day that just wasn't there.

 

[Buffaloes]

played probably the top 2 rush defences to start the season. another pretty tough matchup next week and then I think it eases up after that.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Not that anyone gives a rat's ### but somehow I walked out of a 14 team league will pick ELEVEN and landed Lacy and Ball. 0-2. I should have thought harder grabbing RBs on teams that have prolific QBs who are stat compilers. Lesson learned. Or not...

For the record, I think he's a lot better than T-Rich but can't see 10 TDs with Rodgers and gadget runs to Kuhn or even Cobb for Christ's sakes.

 

[Shutout]

Not that anyone gives a rat's ### but somehow I walked out of a 14 team league will pick ELEVEN and landed Lacy and Ball. 0-2. I should have thought harder grabbing RBs on teams that have prolific QBs who are stat compilers. Lesson learned. Or not...

For the record, I think he's a lot better than T-Rich but can't see 10 TDs with Rodgers and gadget runs to Kuhn or even Cobb for Christ's sakes.

You might be overreacting. Playing the Seahawks and jets is not a cupcake start but look at their schedule and I'm sure you can find a reasonable scenario where he gets two TDs in a game here and there and ends up with a nice season.

Drew Bree's hasn't looked like Drew Bree's so far but do you doubt he can salvage his season? It seems as if 80% of what we talk about during the first month of the season every year is all the "sky is falling" stuff. BUt if you go back and look at it by the end of the season, the known talents usually deliver, barring injuries, which you can't ever predict.

 

[georg013]

I keep forgetting, this is a redraft site. If you aren't hot ALL the time, there is cause for concern. Eddie Lacy is coming off a concussion LESS THAN 8 DAYS AGO. Let that sink in for a moment. I probably wouldn't be looking to give the guy the ball 25 times this week. It's a miracle that he made it back so soon. Comparing this guy to TRICH is ridicuous. Pump the damn brakes. He was facing two tough run defenses. Outside of Detroit and Carolina, things should soften up considerably. Buy low where you can. Not at all worried here.

 

[Raider Nation]

I keep forgetting, this is a redraft site. If you aren't hot ALL the time, there is cause for concern. Eddie Lacy is coming off a concussion LESS THAN 8 DAYS AGO. Let that sink in for a moment. I probably wouldn't be looking to give the guy the ball 25 times this week. It's a miracle that he made it back so soon. Comparing this guy to TRICH is ridicuous. Pump the damn brakes. He was facing two tough run defenses. Outside of Detroit and Carolina, things should soften up considerably. Buy low where you can. Not at all worried here.

So you're finally admitting that Trent stinks?

 

[georg013]

I keep forgetting, this is a redraft site. If you aren't hot ALL the time, there is cause for concern. Eddie Lacy is coming off a concussion LESS THAN 8 DAYS AGO. Let that sink in for a moment. I probably wouldn't be looking to give the guy the ball 25 times this week. It's a miracle that he made it back so soon. Comparing this guy to TRICH is ridicuous. Pump the damn brakes. He was facing two tough run defenses. Outside of Detroit and Carolina, things should soften up considerably. Buy low where you can. Not at all worried here.

So you're finally admitting that Trent stinks?

Sold that POS Friday.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I keep forgetting, this is a redraft site. If you aren't hot ALL the time, there is cause for concern. Eddie Lacy is coming off a concussion LESS THAN 8 DAYS AGO. Let that sink in for a moment. I probably wouldn't be looking to give the guy the ball 25 times this week. It's a miracle that he made it back so soon. Comparing this guy to TRICH is ridicuous. Pump the damn brakes. He was facing two tough run defenses. Outside of Detroit and Carolina, things should soften up considerably. Buy low where you can. Not at all worried here.

While that's fair, it's also fair to note that, even in dynasty, sometimes you need to adjust quickly. I'm sure there where plenty of people saying to pump the brakes on worrying about Ray Rice, Trent Richardson, Stevan Jackson, Stevan Ridley, etc after two games last year.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I keep forgetting, this is a redraft site. If you aren't hot ALL the time, there is cause for concern. Eddie Lacy is coming off a concussion LESS THAN 8 DAYS AGO. Let that sink in for a moment. I probably wouldn't be looking to give the guy the ball 25 times this week. It's a miracle that he made it back so soon. Comparing this guy to TRICH is ridicuous. Pump the damn brakes. He was facing two tough run defenses. Outside of Detroit and Carolina, things should soften up considerably. Buy low where you can. Not at all worried here.

So you're finally admitting that Trent stinks?

Sold that POS Friday.

 

[Raider Nation]

Priceless.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

1. 1-5-NYJ 5 (6:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 11-J.Boykin (39-A.Allen).
2. 2-5-NYJ 5 (6:33) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 87-J.Nelson.
3. 3-5-NYJ 5 (6:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 27-E.Lacy up the middle to NYJ 2 for 3 yards (97-C.Pace).
4. 1-6-NYJ 6 15) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 87-J.Nelson.
5. 2-6-NYJ 6 08) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 18-R.Cobb for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN [58-J.Babin].
6. 1-10-NYJ 10 (6:28) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 18-R.Cobb.
7. 2-10-NYJ 10 (6:23) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers Aborted. 63-C.Linsley FUMBLES at NYJ 15, recovered by GB-12-A.Rodgers at NYJ 15. 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 17-D.Adams to NYJ 1 for 9 yards (30-D.Walls).
8. 3-1-NYJ 1 (5:48) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 18-R.Cobb for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

, as I had spent a fair amount of effort looking at green bay a couple years ago for some similar thread about starks, grant, or wtfever it was --- the conclusion I came up with is green bay is constantly throwing in the endzone, and even when they don't you get vultured by rodgers and kuhn, so the gb rb didn't really appeal to me, and I have yet to see much, if anything, contrary to that.

who were the guys saying rodgers was going to be such a great advantage for lacy?

 

[Raider Nation]

Missing Bulaga today was a huge issue too. It seems silly to say about a team which scored 31 points, but GB's O-line got abused all day long. They only won because Rodgers is not of this earth.

 

[Silver & Black]

I'm not giving up on Lacy just yet. In fact, I am a bit impressed with the coaching and play calling in GB. Lets face it, the Jets front 7 is ferocious and very, very stout against the run. Why try to force it down their throat with the run? Rather, GB went pass heavy against the weak point of the Jet defense, the secondary.

One thing I've learned over the years, it's not how you start, it's how things are going in the last third of the fantasy season. That said, I believe as the rush defenses Lacy faces loosens up, he is going to be a major asset for the playoff push and into the playoffs.

 

[Saboo]

I wouldn't read too much into Lacy's line yesterday just yet...It's pretty clear that the game plan going into this game was to not challenge the Jets outstanding run defense.

To this point Lacy has been a victim of circumstance as he has faced off against arguably the two best run defenses in the league + suffered a concussion.

Are Forte owners giving up on him for his weak running performance against the tough 49ers defense last night?

Keep the faith, the worst is just about over for Lacy.

 

[NYRAGE]

If you drafted Lacey, then you should have known that the first 2-3 weeks were tough match-ups. Stay the course. I was actually encouraged by his snaps compared to Starks coming off that concussion.

 

[stbugs]

If you drafted Lacey, then you should have known that the first 2-3 weeks were tough match-ups. Stay the course. I was actually encouraged by his snaps compared to Starks coming off that concussion.

Exactly. I knew based on DD that weeks 1-3 were the toughest stretch. In DD, the only weeks after this week that are difficult are week 7 (Carolina) and week 16 (@Tampa), but based on weeks 1 and 2, Tampa doesn't seem as good as last year. They don't play Detroit again until week 17 (unfortunately the league I have him in plays on week 17, but the plus is if I am playing, I am in the championship), which doesn't matter to most folks.

He may be a buy low candidate. With 2 games against Chicago and Minny and Atlanta, he could have some really nice weeks.

 

[Chaka]

I am not saying people should give up on Lacy but the Jets should not be a super tough matchup for an everydown back with good hands on a team offense that keeps 8 men out of the box.

 

[Timmay]

I actually compared him to TRich in his main thread back in August. Mainly was comparing him as a second year back with huge out-of-proportion hype like TRich last year, not the actual talent level. I'm beginning to think the parallels are a lot more than I first thought.

Please, please, please don't let Lacy be TRich 2013. I had enough of TRich last year.

Lacy had a concussion week 1 and a tough matchup with the Jets this week, I am staying the course. I think he will improve next week against the Lions.

 

[NYRAGE]

I am not saying people should give up on Lacy but the Jets should not be a super tough matchup for an everydown back with good hands on a team offense that keeps 8 men out of the box.

The Jets are incredibly stout against the run between the tackles. They are susceptible to quick backs that use that lane outside the tackle and between the LB. Lacey is the former, not the latter. It also depends on what side they run to. Between the tackles it's really tough with Wilkerson, Harrison, and Richardson. They all excel against the run. Coples is also very good against the run. If running outside, they should run towards Calvin Pace or Babin (on passing downs).

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I actually compared him to TRich in his main thread back in August. Mainly was comparing him as a second year back with huge out-of-proportion hype like TRich last year, not the actual talent level. I'm beginning to think the parallels are a lot more than I first thought.

Please, please, please don't let Lacy be TRich 2013. I had enough of TRich last year.

Lacy had a concussion week 1 and a tough matchup with the Jets this week, I am staying the course. I think he will improve next week against the Lions.

I'd be very surprised if he's another richardson.

I think he'll still be good, just way overdrafted as a top 5 pick, although if you wer ein that 5/6 spot that was kind of a tough spot, probably.

jets are killer against the run, but everything I posted earlier still holds true for the rest of the year.

 

[John 14:6]

I still have to look things over some more, but I'm considering benching Lacey for Ingram this week based on match-ups (NO vs. MN) but am planning on holding onto Lacey for after. A lot of things still up in the air as how the rest of the season goes, but I may be looking at RBBC based on match-ups between the two...

 

[John 14:6]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2200353-the-reasons-behind-eddie-lacys-slow-start-for-the-packers-in-2014

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I still have to look things over some more, but I'm considering benching Lacey for Ingram this week based on match-ups (NO vs. MN) but am planning on holding onto Lacey for after. A lot of things still up in the air as how the rest of the season goes, but I may be looking at RBBC based on match-ups between the two...

well, I wasn't that high on lacy in the draft, but good luck with that

 

[John 14:6]

I still have to look things over some more, but I'm considering benching Lacey for Ingram this week based on match-ups (NO vs. MN) but am planning on holding onto Lacey for after. A lot of things still up in the air as how the rest of the season goes, but I may be looking at RBBC based on match-ups between the two...

well, I wasn't that high on lacy in the draft, but good luck with that

Of course that post was before Ingram's injury was reported.

Now I'm thinking of going with Bradshaw instead...

 

[ponchsox]

8 yards in the first half? Really?

 

[Acrobat7]

8 yards in the first half? Really?

Also lost a fumble, was tackled for a safety and Starks(!) is looking better than him.

 

[rjv]

Starks looks so much better for some reason. Man these Alabama RBs really are fools gold.

 

[ponchsox]

I'm honestly considering benching him until he shows something. He's a bust so far even with the good defenses.