Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)

[Area51Inhabitant]

Eddie Lacy a 'beast' in Packers win, McCarthy says

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000404752/article/eddie-lacy-a-beast-in-packers-win-mccarthy-says

All of the runs in that highlight package came out of either single setback, the offset I or the I formation. That can't be just a coincidence. You have to give him a chance to build up a head of steam to do his best downhill running. Also didn't hurt that some of those holes you could have driven a truck through.

 

[Braktastic]

Eddie Lacy - RB - Packers


The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel believes it "appears the Packers plan to maintain a split" in the backfield with Eddie Lacy and James Starks each playing 50 percent of the snaps.

After Starks didn't see a carry in Week 4, he out-snapped Lacy 29-28 in the Week 5 win over the Vikings and finished with 12 carries to Lacy's 13. While most chalked it up to the Packers winning in a rout, the coaching staff apparently wants to keep the split 50-50. "To keep them fresh, I think is very important," RBs coach Sam Gash said. "James has warranted playing time." The Packers view both as "complete" and interchangeable backs. It's not good news for Lacy owners. But it's no reason to keep him out of lineups. In the end we'd expect it to be more of a 60-40 or 65-35 split in favor of Lacy. He needs to build off his Week 5.

Related: James Starks

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Oct 10 - 11:23 AM

 

[Todem]

I don't care so long as Lacy keep playing like we saw him vs Minny. If he plays that way this talk is all hog wash IMO. If he can get 100 and 2 TD plus 3-4 receptions on 17-19 touches......who cares.

 

[Braktastic]

I don't care so long as Lacy keep playing like we saw him vs Minny. If he plays that way this talk is all hog wash IMO. If he can get 100 and 2 TD plus 3-4 receptions on 17-19 touches......who cares.

Sure, but what if he doesn't? There's Starks ready to vulture more carries. I guess this would be a good opportunity to buy low on Lacy if you think the former is likely to continue. I'll hold because I have a stable of backs that can get me through any more rough patches like the first three weeks.

 

[Da Gildz]

Yuck this is horrible news for Lacy owners.

There goes any hope of a 300+ carry/workhorse. Now what will Lacy be, a glorified version of F-Jax?

 

[matttyl]

Yuck this is horrible news for Lacy owners.

There goes any hope of a 300+ carry/workhorse. Now what will Lacy be, a glorified version of F-Jax?

I'd much rather him get 1,200 rushing and 300 receiving with 10-12 TDs on 250 touches than on 350. As long as he's producing good numbers, I think the fewer touches the better, especially with his concussion history.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Eddie Lacy - RB - Packers


The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel believes it "appears the Packers plan to maintain a split" in the backfield with Eddie Lacy and James Starks each playing 50 percent of the snaps.

After Starks didn't see a carry in Week 4, he out-snapped Lacy 29-28 in the Week 5 win over the Vikings and finished with 12 carries to Lacy's 13. While most chalked it up to the Packers winning in a rout, the coaching staff apparently wants to keep the split 50-50. "To keep them fresh, I think is very important," RBs coach Sam Gash said. "James has warranted playing time." The Packers view both as "complete" and interchangeable backs. It's not good news for Lacy owners. But it's no reason to keep him out of lineups. In the end we'd expect it to be more of a 60-40 or 65-35 split in favor of Lacy. He needs to build off his Week 5.

Related: James Starks

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Oct 10 - 11:23 AM

Pay attention to where the quotes were in that little blurb. There is nothing being said there....rotoworld just wants views as does the beat writer.

 

[Phenomena]

Yuck this is horrible news for Lacy owners.

There goes any hope of a 300+ carry/workhorse. Now what will Lacy be, a glorified version of F-Jax?

I didn't trade for him hoping for 300+. Anyone who knows McCarthy knows that he's said for the last 4-5 years that he'll never overwork a RB. He wants them fresh for the playoffs. The only reason Lacy had so many touches last year was because they had RB issues AND Rodgers went down. They had no choice but to ride him. That won't be the case this year.

I'm perfectly happy with 240 + 45 catches.

 

[Todem]

Eddie Lacy - RB - Packers


The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel believes it "appears the Packers plan to maintain a split" in the backfield with Eddie Lacy and James Starks each playing 50 percent of the snaps.

After Starks didn't see a carry in Week 4, he out-snapped Lacy 29-28 in the Week 5 win over the Vikings and finished with 12 carries to Lacy's 13. While most chalked it up to the Packers winning in a rout, the coaching staff apparently wants to keep the split 50-50. "To keep them fresh, I think is very important," RBs coach Sam Gash said. "James has warranted playing time." The Packers view both as "complete" and interchangeable backs. It's not good news for Lacy owners. But it's no reason to keep him out of lineups. In the end we'd expect it to be more of a 60-40 or 65-35 split in favor of Lacy. He needs to build off his Week 5.

Related: James Starks

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Oct 10 - 11:23 AM

Pay attention to where the quotes were in that little blurb. There is nothing being said there....rotoworld just wants views as does the beat writer.

Exactly...."appears to be" an opinion from a beat writer. 70/30 still IMO when they are in tight tough games.

If Lacy is not running well then that's on him and he will deserve to lose carries. But again their last game was a blow out and Lacy ran like a bull in a china shop. I loved what I saw and think we will see a lot more of that going forward after a slow start.

 

[unckeyherb]

was going to post a similar sentiment. They have maintained a split since Lacy was drafted. No where does anyone actually say "it will be a 50/50 split."; that is total speculation. The only quote in there is regarding "keeping them fresh" and that "Starks has warranted playing time." This is pretty standard and I'd be worried if they did not do this.

I like that he also quoted that they are both "complete" backs and then followed with his own speculation that they are viewed as interchangeable.

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[sho nuff]

Watching that game...it was clear Lacy was the lead back.

They split some series early...then in the 3rd it was nearly all Lacy. (7 carries, 1 reception, 2 TDs...Starks had 2 carries to spell Lacy after a few carries on a drive and a 21 yard reception...Lacy finished that series with one of the TDs)

Starks got carries late to milk the clock in a blowout in the 4th. (6 of his carries came in the 4th when lacy and Rodgers and the starters were out).

He won't get 30 carries a game or anything...but he is clearly the lead back and you won't see 50/50 splits other than in blowouts where Starks is there in the 4th quarter.

 

[Da Gildz]

I disagree with most here. To me, Lacy is a prototypical volume back. He's not involved in the passing game enough to go along with 10-15 carries IF you wanted 1st rd RB production. As a RB2, sure wonderful. But I think I speak for most here, he was taken as an RB1 if not top 5 RB. Now whether this take is even accurate remains to be seen.

 

[NajehHejan]

Lacy is a matchup play going forward. Should have known to bench him. Rotoworld will still call him a sure fire RB1.

 

[NajehHejan]

Kuhn with more carries than lacy

 

[Phenomena]

Lacy is a matchup play going forward. Should have known to bench him. Rotoworld will still call him a sure fire RB1.

Maybe wait until the game is over?

Miami's DEF was on the field for an absurd 70% of the first half. At this rate their usual played time of four quarters will be up halfway through the 3rd. They're gonna be tired pretty darn soon. I think Lacy could have a nice second half.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

 

[ponchsox]

Geez. What a bust.

 

[Buffaloes]

this dude's a bust this year

 

[Mario Kart]

I don't think Lacy is a bust at all. Some of you should evaluate your drafting skills as a bust.

 

[Buffaloes]

I don't think Lacy is a bust at all. Some of you should evaluate your drafting skills as a bust.

you are right. the sage owner waited for Lacy to fall to him in the 12th round. Value

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Lacy is a matchup play going forward. Should have known to bench him. Rotoworld will still call him a sure fire RB1.

Maybe wait until the game is over?

Miami's DEF was on the field for an absurd 70% of the first half. At this rate their usual played time of four quarters will be up halfway through the 3rd. They're gonna be tired pretty darn soon. I think Lacy could have a nice second half.

game over, man

 

[Ilov80s]

Is Lacy basically just Doug Martin at this point?

 

[rustycolts]

Is Lacy basically just Doug Martin at this point?

If they kept him in the game he wouldn't be.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is Lacy basically just Doug Martin at this point?

If they kept him in the game he wouldn't be.

What happened? I didn't see either game.

 

[unckeyherb]

Is Lacy basically just Doug Martin at this point?

If they kept him in the game he wouldn't be.

What happened? I didn't see either game.

6th game out of 7 that carried the ball less than 15 times. He needs more touches IMO but it's becoming very clear that isn't going to happen. Starks got a good amount of time - especially on the final drive. Lacy seems like the type of guy that needs to develop a rhythm but it's tough to do that when you are subbed out every other series. Frustrating as an owner.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Is Lacy basically just Doug Martin at this point?

If they kept him in the game he wouldn't be.

What happened? I didn't see either game.

6th game out of 7 that carried the ball less than 15 times. He needs more touches IMO but it's becoming very clear that isn't going to happen. Starks got a good amount of time - especially on the final drive. Lacy seems like the type of guy that needs to develop a rhythm but it's tough to do that when you are subbed out every other series. Frustrating as an owner.

I thought you promised us 300+ carries

 

[unckeyherb]

Is Lacy basically just Doug Martin at this point?

If they kept him in the game he wouldn't be.

What happened? I didn't see either game.

6th game out of 7 that carried the ball less than 15 times. He needs more touches IMO but it's becoming very clear that isn't going to happen. Starks got a good amount of time - especially on the final drive. Lacy seems like the type of guy that needs to develop a rhythm but it's tough to do that when you are subbed out every other series. Frustrating as an owner.

I thought you promised us 300+ carries

I didn't. The OC did though.

 

[ponchsox]

I'd rather have TRich.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years, and look at the current Falcons. Lacy might be a tough runner with great talent--but his situation is not conducive to the elite levels that the fantasy world expects of him. I've always said this--he's more of a really solid RB2 with RB1 upside that he'll show us every 2nd or third game. If you are in a league where a panic'd owner might sell him for average RB2 prices--I think he's a player to try to obtain. However, with that being said--I know in the 3 leagues that I play in--I don't see any of his owners willing to let him go at that type of a price.

 

[Buffaloes]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years

Fat Eddie was RB6 last year despite missing 2 games due to concussion

 

[rjv]

I think someone needs to call Alabama and ask what the hell Nick is giving to these RBs because outside of playing for ALA, they really don't look good.

 

[bushdocda]

No fumble today at least.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I DONT LIKE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Shutout]

I think someone needs to call Alabama and ask what the hell Nick is giving to these RBs because outside of playing for ALA, they really don't look good.

Comments like this are ones that make me think you guys would throw Joe Montana under the bus because those last few years were down years. Guys are acting like the only good fantasy players are ones that score 25 a week every week of their career and never had an injury and, BTW, probably sent you a winning lottery ticket.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

It would be nice if he started getting more check downs and involved in the passing game. Big bruising backs tend to get better later in games. Seems as though right now there is not much going on in the run game and or Lacy is not playing well. Either way there is still some season left here to get things figured out.

 

[Ilov80s]

I like playing against him.

 

[ponchsox]

I'd love to bench him, if I had options.

 

[General Tso]

I guess the only thing to do is be patient and know that it can only get better... The weather's going to start sucking, Jodie Nelson is due for an injury, and Green Bay will eventually start running the ball. Sucks that Lacy owners got nothing thus far, but what else can you do but hold?

 

[Phenomena]

I'd rather have TRich.

Oh #### and stay out of this thread, troll. Someone ban this idiot.

 

[Mario Kart]

I guess the only thing to do is be patient and know that it can only get better... The weather's going to start sucking, Jodie Nelson is due for an injury, and Green Bay will eventually start running the ball. Sucks that Lacy owners got nothing thus far, but what else can you do but hold?

The Packers will start running the ball?

They ran the ball last year because of the Rodgers injury. No reason to believe the Packers will run the ball like last year unless another injury to Rodgers happens.

 

[SameSongNDance]

At least you got value with Benson.

 

[ponchsox]

I'd rather have TRich.

Oh #### and stay out of this thread, troll. Someone ban this idiot.

Take a chill pill. Every heard of sarcasm?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years

Fat Eddie was RB6 last year despite missing 2 games due to concussion

yeah--but wasn't aaron rodgers hurt a lot of last season--where they relied on the running game more? That certainly would skew their loyalty to the running game,no?

 

[Ilov80s]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years

Fat Eddie was RB6 last year despite missing 2 games due to concussion

yeah--but wasn't aaron rodgers hurt a lot of last season--where they relied on the running game more? That certainly would skew their loyalty to the running game,no?

For some of the time yes, but I think people assumed a healthy Rodgers=more RZ chances for Lacy=TD$. It hasn't. Cobb seems to score all of the short TDs.

 

[rustycolts]

Is Lacy basically just Doug Martin at this point?

If they kept him in the game he wouldn't be.

What happened? I didn't see either game.

6th game out of 7 that carried the ball less than 15 times. He needs more touches IMO but it's becoming very clear that isn't going to happen. Starks got a good amount of time - especially on the final drive. Lacy seems like the type of guy that needs to develop a rhythm but it's tough to do that when you are subbed out every other series. Frustrating as an owner.

I think you have it right.He really needs to stay in the game to be effective.

 

[SWC]

brohans i still like him and think he is a nice guy so you can take that right on into the bank bronachos with extra cheese

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years

Fat Eddie was RB6 last year despite missing 2 games due to concussion

yeah--but wasn't aaron rodgers hurt a lot of last season--where they relied on the running game more? That certainly would skew their loyalty to the running game,no?

For some of the time yes, but I think people guppies assumed a healthy Rodgers=more RZ chances for Lacy=TD$. It hasn't. Cobb seems to score all of the short TDs.

 

[John 14:6]

Benching him for Bradshaw going forward. He'll have to prove himself during one of my starters bye weeks to get back in my line up...

 

[sho nuff]

Today...Lacy was blah...but the line again was completely worked by the Dolphins Dline.
Starks and Lacy both were hit at or near the LOS nearly every run.

OL was particularly bad today.

Im not sure what happened to the OL from last year. The only difference is Linsley and Bulaga. Linsley is playing quite well...Bulaga was getting handled for most of the game by Wake (not a real surprise there...though, he did hammer Wake on the winning TD pass).

But even seeing just 4 man fronts and 6 in the box...they are not opening up holes very often in the run game.

When they do, we see what we had last week with Lacy.

Not sure how often you will be able to see that again though.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Kool-aid Larry....

Where do you have Lacy ranked and what are your projections for him?

ok, I doubt anybody is checking this thread for kool-aid larry's draft breakdown, but I'll work off ffcalc for some thumbnail opinion.

first of all, I mostly look in these threads for opinion from others, but I did have a bit of an opinion of my own going in this time, as I had spent a fair amount of effort looking at green bay a couple years ago for some similar thread about starks, grant, or wtfever it was --- the conclusion I came up with is green bay is constantly throwing in the endzone, and even when they don't you get vultured by rodgers and kuhn, so the gb rb didn't really appeal to me, and I have yet to see much, if anything, contrary to that.

not only wasn't lacy's production boosted by rodgers, as people like to insist based on their imaginations, it might have actually been hurt by all these great surrounding players on this historic offense crowding out his td opps.

I'd prefer to look at it drive by drive, but I'm not doing that again.

anyway, here are the (ppr) picks off the top of my head, as my draft is a couple weeks away and I'm still in process:

one thing I notice in this thread is a lot of true believers seem to hang their hats on volume, and I don't generally try to predict injuries, so ppg is more what i tend to look at.

LeSean McCoy

Jamaal Charles

Matt Forte

Adrian Peterson

nobody's a lock for anything, but I really don't see any reason lacy pushes past those ^^ guys.

here's more of the list in ffcalc order

Calvin Johnson

Demaryius Thomas

Jimmy Graham

Dez Bryant

DeMarco Murray

Brandon Marshall

Peyton Manning

Julio Jones

Montee Ball

Jordy Nelson

Arian Foster

Rob Gronkowski

those ^^ are probably all guys I would prefer to lacy, some of which I obviously don't need to take at 1.05, or whatever, but I just put them in there, anyway.

Eddie Lacy

A.J. Green

Marshawn Lynch

LeVeon Bell

Drew Brees

Aaron Rodgers

Antonio Brown

these guys ^^ are players of comparable value that I probably won't end up with, and probably don't have to make the decision on at 1.05

I don't think lacy is elite, and I think there are later round rb who have potential to give me comparable production, whereas it would be tougher to get comparable late round production on the elite te or wr.

lynch, bush, bell, foster, and even vereen, I think, were all comparable ppg values in my league last year, and I actually think chris johnson can close in on that with expected ppr points.

I'd take lacy somewhere in the second, but i doubt i'll have that decision to make

I don't know why I'd have lacy on my roster, but if maybe I took over a team that drafted him I think I'd trade him straight up for almost everybody on that list