Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (3 Viewers)

[jvdesigns2002]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years

Fat Eddie was RB6 last year despite missing 2 games due to concussion

yeah--but wasn't aaron rodgers hurt a lot of last season--where they relied on the running game more? That certainly would skew their loyalty to the running game,no?

For some of the time yes, but I think people assumed a healthy Rodgers=more RZ chances for Lacy=TD$. It hasn't. Cobb seems to score all of the short TDs.

that certainly could be a point of view--but I think the main point is that while aaron rodgers is health--the packers can and will be a pass first team the majority of the time. Even the game that lacy went off this season--lacy didn't get his td's until after rodgers had already thrown for 3 of them. with that being said--if the sentiment is really this negative about lacy--i certainly should look back into trying to buy him low.

 

[NajehHejan]

Carries split

Lacy 14

Starks 8

Kuhn 4

It's over fellas.

 

[cvnpoka]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years, and look at the current Falcons. Lacy might be a tough runner with great talent--but his situation is not conducive to the elite levels that the fantasy world expects of him. I've always said this--he's more of a really solid RB2 with RB1 upside that he'll show us every 2nd or third game. If you are in a league where a panic'd owner might sell him for average RB2 prices--I think he's a player to try to obtain. However, with that being said--I know in the 3 leagues that I play in--I don't see any of his owners willing to let him go at that type of a price.

ya but every single peyton manning team tho

 

[General Tso]

I guess the only thing to do is be patient and know that it can only get better... The weather's going to start sucking, Jodie Nelson is due for an injury, and Green Bay will eventually start running the ball. Sucks that Lacy owners got nothing thus far, but what else can you do but hold?

The Packers will start running the ball?They ran the ball last year because of the Rodgers injury. No reason to believe the Packers will run the ball like last year unless another injury to Rodgers happens.

You couldn't be more wrong. The Packers rushed for an average of 149 yards per game last year before the Rodgers injury, and 118 yards per game after the injury. The Packers were very much a running team ALL of last season. It's become a myth that they only started running the ball after the Rodgers injury. Trust me - I was a frustrated Rodgers owner last season.

 

[georg013]

Came in here to own it and relay the following message. The sky is falling. For real this time.

 

[Xue]

Lacy is a stud, the haters in here need to just deal with it.

As far as Xue, I have never seen a person on this site I disagree with more on every topic he posts. He has an agenda with his posts.

Is Lacy still a stud?

 

[rjv]

I think someone needs to call Alabama and ask what the hell Nick is giving to these RBs because outside of playing for ALA, they really don't look good.

Comments like this are ones that make me think you guys would throw Joe Montana under the bus because those last few years were down years. Guys are acting like the only good fantasy players are ones that score 25 a week every week of their career and never had an injury and, BTW, probably sent you a winning lottery ticket.

Thats not it at all. Lacy was taken in the 1st round and he isn't playing nearly like he did last year. He doesnt have that bull rush type of run style he had last season. Seems like he is to worried of getting hurt again.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Lacy is a stud, the haters in here need to just deal with it.

As far as Xue, I have never seen a person on this site I disagree with more on every topic he posts. He has an agenda with his posts.

Is Lacy still a stud?

No. If his name was Eddie Lady he would be cut by now.

 

[rjv]

My comment above wasn't to be wise or condensing but you have to admit from Ingram to Richardson to lacy, there is something that doesn't work for these ALA RBs to switch over to the NFL. Ingram does look promising but my god how many years did it take to get to this point? Possibly it's sean Payton, but I believe its the player more than most of the time, and what I mean by that is look at the facts, Ingram started to run like a man possessed when his contract is up. Same with CJ2K, Donald Brown and the list goes on.

 

[sho nuff]

My comment above wasn't to be wise or condensing but you have to admit from Ingram to Richardson to lacy, there is something that doesn't work for these ALA RBs to switch over to the NFL. Ingram does look promising but my god how many years did it take to get to this point? Possibly it's sean Payton, but I believe its the player more than most of the time, and what I mean by that is look at the facts, Ingram started to run like a man possessed when his contract is up. Same with CJ2K, Donald Brown and the list goes on.

Just like Tedford QBs don't make it in the NFL.

IMO...it has zero to do with Alabama.

Id say...yes, look at the facts.

Look at the holes the Oline opened last year and in his games this year that he ran well.

Look at games like yesterday when the Oline was overwhelmed by a defensive front.

Lacy is not likely much different than last year. But getting hit behind or at the LOS constantly will not make for a great back.

Look at McCoy too. He was struggling, their line was struggling. Line last night played well and McCoy breaks out.

And McCoy is a more talented back who struggled because of the line.

It works for all types of backs.

 

[rjv]

My comment above wasn't to be wise or condensing but you have to admit from Ingram to Richardson to lacy, there is something that doesn't work for these ALA RBs to switch over to the NFL. Ingram does look promising but my god how many years did it take to get to this point? Possibly it's sean Payton, but I believe its the player more than most of the time, and what I mean by that is look at the facts, Ingram started to run like a man possessed when his contract is up. Same with CJ2K, Donald Brown and the list goes on.

Just like Tedford QBs don't make it in the NFL.

IMO...it has zero to do with Alabama.

Id say...yes, look at the facts.

Look at the holes the Oline opened last year and in his games this year that he ran well.

Look at games like yesterday when the Oline was overwhelmed by a defensive front.

Lacy is not likely much different than last year. But getting hit behind or at the LOS constantly will not make for a great back.

Look at McCoy too. He was struggling, their line was struggling. Line last night played well and McCoy breaks out.

And McCoy is a more talented back who struggled because of the line.

It works for all types of backs.

love your points and agree with them but I just find it to coincidental that all the ALA RBs are and were overhyped.

 

[Buffaloes]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years

Fat Eddie was RB6 last year despite missing 2 games due to concussion

yeah--but wasn't aaron rodgers hurt a lot of last season--where they relied on the running game more? That certainly would skew their loyalty to the running game,no?

on the other hand having Rodgers would generally lead to longer, more sustained possessions and more scoring opps.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

The thing with Lacy is that it will be hard for him to be a consistent elite RB1 just because of his situation alone. Teams that rely on the pass and their qb's soo heavily tend to have issues with consistent elite running games. Look at the Saints recently, look at the Pats, heck--look at the Packers in the last few years

Fat Eddie was RB6 last year despite missing 2 games due to concussion

yeah--but wasn't aaron rodgers hurt a lot of last season--where they relied on the running game more? That certainly would skew their loyalty to the running game,no?

on the other hand having Rodgers would generally lead to longer, more sustained possessions and more scoring opps.

I think that is exactly the optimistic thinking that has led to Lacy fantasy owners being disappointed. The fact of the matter is that while Rodgers is healthy--the biggest beneficiary of longer, more sustained possessions, and scoring opps will most likely be Rodgers and the passing game. There will be games (like the breakout game Lacy had prior) where Green Bay is so far ahead that they will commit a bit more to the running game to kill the clock--but that most likely won't happen until after Rodgers gets his stats. Lacy will have some explosive RB1 stat lines this season--but I just don't see them being super consistent while he is on a team that is sooo married to their qb and its passing game.

 

[wormburner]

On my bench last week, in my lineup this week. Next big game, see what I can get for him.

 

[Shutout]

I guess the only thing to do is be patient and know that it can only get better... The weather's going to start sucking, Jodie Nelson is due for an injury, and Green Bay will eventually start running the ball. Sucks that Lacy owners got nothing thus far, but what else can you do but hold?

The Packers will start running the ball?

They ran the ball last year because of the Rodgers injury. No reason to believe the Packers will run the ball like last year unless another injury to Rodgers happens.

That's not really true, at all. Even Manning and the Broncos said last year that, down the stretch, they needed to run the ball more because of the possibility of having to rely on it when weather gets bad and the playoffs. They even said after the Superbowl that it was their undoing (not that they appear to have learned anything from it).

Overall, teams want to be able to run the ball for various reasons and its not something you just show up and say "ok, we will do it today because we have to and we will be good at it". You have to commit to it.

And the funny thing is, with the exception of the Broncos, the best teams in the league CAN and DO run the ball and it appears pretty obvious, to beat the Hawks and Chargers and Eagles and Cowboys and Bears, etc, teams ought to know, they are going to have to run the ball. They SHOULD be practicing.

 

[Shutout]

My comment above wasn't to be wise or condensing but you have to admit from Ingram to Richardson to lacy, there is something that doesn't work for these ALA RBs to switch over to the NFL. Ingram does look promising but my god how many years did it take to get to this point? Possibly it's sean Payton, but I believe its the player more than most of the time, and what I mean by that is look at the facts, Ingram started to run like a man possessed when his contract is up. Same with CJ2K, Donald Brown and the list goes on.

Just like Tedford QBs don't make it in the NFL.

IMO...it has zero to do with Alabama.

Id say...yes, look at the facts.

Look at the holes the Oline opened last year and in his games this year that he ran well.

Look at games like yesterday when the Oline was overwhelmed by a defensive front.

Lacy is not likely much different than last year. But getting hit behind or at the LOS constantly will not make for a great back.

Look at McCoy too. He was struggling, their line was struggling. Line last night played well and McCoy breaks out.

And McCoy is a more talented back who struggled because of the line.

It works for all types of backs.

I said it last week and still believe it: In fantasy we overlook the O-line because we don't think it is important to us but it is one of the most important things out there and it can't be more clear than the nose on our face.

Dallas, Houston, Chicago have good lines right now and they have great fantasy RBs.

Indy, Philly, Kc, green bay don't have good lines right now and their backs struggle.

Its about as directly proportional as you can get.

If the Philly line gets whole in the next few weeks, you will see Shady skyrocket in production and it won't even be worth asking "why".

 

[Sabertooth]

Green Bay's line is healthier than it's been in years. They have pro bowlers at both guard spots, Bulaga back at the RT and Bahktiari as the LT. The only new face is the rookie center and he's playing really well.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Other guys ranked around Lacy outside of the big 3: Forte, Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Dougie, Gio.

Lacy's receptions should go up; his carries should go up (thinking 300+); with defenses fearing Rodgers arm and opening bigger lanes, his ypc should go up; with a better, more productive offense, his TD's could go up (12-15 total seems realistic).

Point is, I could definitely see situations where Lacy is #1 Fantasy RB by the end of the year. I can't say that about any of the guys listed above.

Actually, i think the point is i could pencil any of those other guys in for #1 numbers and they'd finish #1.

So you are saying that you could see any one of Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Martin or Gio finishing as the RB1 this year? And more so than Lacy?

Also, all you can do is pencil numbers in. 300 carries is not really an increase from last year (averaged 20 per game over 14 games last year, which would put him into 320+ territory), nor is 12+ TDs-he had 11 last year. Do you disagree that having a healthy Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson should push the defenses back a little, giving him more running room? Do you disagree that these pieces that were missing for most of last year will have a positive impact on the offense and should put Lacy in more chances to score?

I agree that Mike McCarthy has a 14 year history of throwing the ball near the goal line and has had only one running back crack more than 11 total TDs in a single season during that time, Deuce McCallister with 16 TDs in 2002. Deuce is also the only back to crack 2,000 total yards in a McCarthy offense (2003).

I think Eddie can achieve maybe 1,800 yards and maybe 15 TDs because of the reasons you state, but he is working against a lot of history on all fronts. And FTR I have him as RB#4 on my board, a lot of that also to do with the fact that I think he has a higher floor than many RBs.

Yes, if he stays healthy, his floor is high. He can't hardly avoid a 100/10 season if he tried.

IMO, there's a lot oversaid and thought about how McCarthy throws and hasn't run a lot in GB,etc. My opinion is the way you get to have a long coaching career in the NFL is by recognizing AND using your strengths. In Green Bay, it has been the passing, combined with a very pedestrian running game. When he DID have a great runner, he used him. Simple as that. We all know he's too smart to not restrain Rodgers. But he is smart enough to know he can lean on a good, capable runner and maybe preserve his star QB (throwing at the goal line can take a toll on a QB, especially if they bootleg to buy time).

Much like how things set up for a perfect storm for Charles and Shady last year, it looks like this for Lacy. How on Earth do you even begin to put adequate defenders in the box with Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, and a host of other capable players? IF (I know it might not happen) Finley returns, wow...You can't possibly defend the interior middle of that field and you're going to have a stampeding bull coming right down at you.

how on earth do you stop a stampeding bull ??

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Green Bay's line is healthier than it's been in years. They have pro bowlers at both guard spots, Bulaga back at the RT and Bahktiari as the LT. The only new face is the rookie center and he's playing really well.

I don't believe TJ Lang has ever been to a pro bowl. The rest is pretty accurate. They are unusually healthy, and the rookie C may be the 2nd best lineman the Packers have.

That was the most abysmal performance I've seen out a Packer Oline in some time however. The Giants line was definitely worse last night, but Rodgers got punished yesterday, and the run game went nowhere.

As for Lacy himself, I am very disappointed so far this year. Quite frankly, I just don't think he's all that good. He needs a big hole, and a head of steam to be a good RB. Starting to think he's really just a committee guy. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see the Packers draft a "lightning" counterpart for him next year.

 

[RBM]

Starks has to start seeing more work early I'm thinking.

 

[Warhogs]

I own Lacy on a few teams and luckily I am winning my fair of games even with the underwhelming Lacy. Blame it on the line, blame it on Lacy, whatever. I see him continue to bounce runs outside without finding any holes and him not going anywhere. I don't see much positive to support any sort of big turnaround as this seasons wears on.

 

[packer_junkie]

Starks isn't that good

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Starks isn't that good

Starks is a fine backup RB. Perhaps even better suited to this offense. The line generally doesn't open the gaping holes necessary for Lacy. Starks is much more of a slasher, and seems to better utilize a crease in the defense. Its probable that's why he's averaging .5 yards more per rush than Lacy.

 

[cr8f]

This is not a good run blocking line.

 

[Da Gildz]

I remember being ecstatic Lacy 'fell' to me at pick 9. Ha.

 

[plastik]

I thought Lacy had some juice on a few nice and powerful runs up the middle yesterday in the fourth quarter. And let's not forget that Miami has a pretty stout run D (other than getting torched by KC). The snap count is a bit of a concern, but Starks has never even been close to playing 16 games in a season, and the GB schedule gets a bit easier moving forward. If the Lacy owner is as down on him as some in this thread I'd try to buy low.

 

[sho nuff]

Green Bay's line is healthier than it's been in years. They have pro bowlers at both guard spots, Bulaga back at the RT and Bahktiari as the LT. The only new face is the rookie center and he's playing really well.

While true...they have not been opening holes and have been overpowered many times this year.

Biggest problem is still Bulaga against speed rushers though.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I remember being ecstatic Lacy 'fell' to me at pick 9. Ha.

Season isn't over yet.

 

[Shutout]

Other guys ranked around Lacy outside of the big 3: Forte, Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Dougie, Gio.

Lacy's receptions should go up; his carries should go up (thinking 300+); with defenses fearing Rodgers arm and opening bigger lanes, his ypc should go up; with a better, more productive offense, his TD's could go up (12-15 total seems realistic).

Point is, I could definitely see situations where Lacy is #1 Fantasy RB by the end of the year. I can't say that about any of the guys listed above.

Actually, i think the point is i could pencil any of those other guys in for #1 numbers and they'd finish #1.

So you are saying that you could see any one of Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Martin or Gio finishing as the RB1 this year? And more so than Lacy?

Also, all you can do is pencil numbers in. 300 carries is not really an increase from last year (averaged 20 per game over 14 games last year, which would put him into 320+ territory), nor is 12+ TDs-he had 11 last year. Do you disagree that having a healthy Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson should push the defenses back a little, giving him more running room? Do you disagree that these pieces that were missing for most of last year will have a positive impact on the offense and should put Lacy in more chances to score?

I agree that Mike McCarthy has a 14 year history of throwing the ball near the goal line and has had only one running back crack more than 11 total TDs in a single season during that time, Deuce McCallister with 16 TDs in 2002. Deuce is also the only back to crack 2,000 total yards in a McCarthy offense (2003).

I think Eddie can achieve maybe 1,800 yards and maybe 15 TDs because of the reasons you state, but he is working against a lot of history on all fronts. And FTR I have him as RB#4 on my board, a lot of that also to do with the fact that I think he has a higher floor than many RBs.

Yes, if he stays healthy, his floor is high. He can't hardly avoid a 100/10 season if he tried.

IMO, there's a lot oversaid and thought about how McCarthy throws and hasn't run a lot in GB,etc. My opinion is the way you get to have a long coaching career in the NFL is by recognizing AND using your strengths. In Green Bay, it has been the passing, combined with a very pedestrian running game. When he DID have a great runner, he used him. Simple as that. We all know he's too smart to not restrain Rodgers. But he is smart enough to know he can lean on a good, capable runner and maybe preserve his star QB (throwing at the goal line can take a toll on a QB, especially if they bootleg to buy time).

Much like how things set up for a perfect storm for Charles and Shady last year, it looks like this for Lacy. How on Earth do you even begin to put adequate defenders in the box with Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, and a host of other capable players? IF (I know it might not happen) Finley returns, wow...You can't possibly defend the interior middle of that field and you're going to have a stampeding bull coming right down at you.

how on earth do you stop a stampeding bull ??

This is about the tenth time you have reposted this Larry. Guess you want to make sure you get your 15 minutes before it sours on ya.

Some of you guys around here act like players never do anything except keep performing how they did at some other point. Lacy is underachieving right now...along with about 65% of the rest of the notable fantasy players. Outside of Antonio Brown and Julius Thomas, Demarco Murray P and 3-4 QBs, what notable ff player hasn't had a thread this year due to injury or concerns?

 

[fredsavage]

Was offered lacy for Hyde and a first dynasty. Turned it down.

 

[Buffaloes]

have been offered Steve Smith or Maclin for him in redraft and strongly considering...not asking for feedback on this. merely posting it if others are interested in his value.

 

[Chaka]

have been offered Steve Smith or Maclin for him in redraft and strongly considering...not asking for feedback on this. merely posting it if others are interested in his value.

Funny because at this point I don't think I would give up either Smith or Maclin for Lacy in a redraft.

 

[Archer]

Traded away Evans, A. Robinson, and Kelce to mainly land Lacy (along with Stacy, K. Davis, & Tavon Austin) in one my dynasty leagues and this is what I get? :X

 

[shadyridr]

have been offered Steve Smith or Maclin for him in redraft and strongly considering...not asking for feedback on this. merely posting it if others are interested in his value.

Funny because at this point I don't think I would give up either Smith or Maclin for Lacy in a redraft.

definitely not smith. Maybe maclin

 

[Raider Nation]

I haven't seen stock plummet this fast since Brian Bonsall joined the cast of "Family Ties."

 

[John 14:6]

I hope the pack plays the Vikings again next time I need lacy...

 

[Quilman83]

A sell high opportunity may be coming up for Lacy. Carolina is ranked 31st against the run. Lacy's one big game was against Minnesota, who is 30th against the run. If Lacy can get the same amount of carries (he had just 13 in the Minnesota game), he could very well have a similar performance, and it would probably create the best opportunity in the near future to get rid of Lacy and actually get a little something in return.

 

[ponchsox]

I like him now

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

he got a touchdown!!!!

 

[Touchdown There]

he got a touchdown!!!!

More to come Larry

 

[BassNBrew]

he got a touchdown!!!!

Pretty ho-hum day based on how he started.

 

[sho nuff]

he got a touchdown!!!!

Pretty ho-hum day based on how he started.

Thought after the first half we would see another Vikings like game.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I hope the pack plays the Vikings again next time I need lacy...

Next time it won't be Ponder.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

he played well today--but again--today just proved that our expectations have been lowered. A juicy matchup against a defense that has been weak as of late. His team is moving the ball like crazy and his qb is totally on point-his team scores 38pts-and what does he end up with--63 yards and a td. An elite RB1 in that perfect storm of events would normally have far bigger numbers. However--those numbers are indicative of a high upside rb2 taking into account todays perfect storm.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A sell high opportunity may be coming up for Lacy. Carolina is ranked 31st against the run. Lacy's one big game was against Minnesota, who is 30th against the run. If Lacy can get the same amount of carries (he had just 13 in the Minnesota game), he could very well have a similar performance, and it would probably create the best opportunity in the near future to get rid of Lacy and actually get a little something in return.

Thing is if I'm the offeree I'm thinking that was the game I wanted him for.

Soo.....

Who's trading, who's holding?

 

[georg013]

Holding indefinitely. Lacy will get it rolling. I also own Starks though and rolled him out just in case they blew Carolina out. Decent outcome. But im light at RB.

 

[unckeyherb]

At this point I won't get any value for him. Gonna hang onto him and hope they lean on him when it gets colder.

 

[Air Stich]

A sell high opportunity may be coming up for Lacy. Carolina is ranked 31st against the run. Lacy's one big game was against Minnesota, who is 30th against the run. If Lacy can get the same amount of carries (he had just 13 in the Minnesota game), he could very well have a similar performance, and it would probably create the best opportunity in the near future to get rid of Lacy and actually get a little something in return.

Thing is if I'm the offeree I'm thinking that was the game I wanted him for.

Soo.....

Who's trading, who's holding?

I'm willing to deal, but for who?

Alf Morris

J. McKinnon

Vereen

Lamar Miller

Rueben Randle

Percy Harvin

Maclin

Michael Floyd

 

[humpback]

he played well today--but again--today just proved that our expectations have been lowered. A juicy matchup against a defense that has been weak as of late. His team is moving the ball like crazy and his qb is totally on point-his team scores 38pts-and what does he end up with--63 yards and a td. An elite RB1 in that perfect storm of events would normally have far bigger numbers. However--those numbers are indicative of a high upside rb2 taking into account todays perfect storm.

Expectations have been lowered, but this wasn't the perfect storm, it was a blowout where he only had 4 touches in the 2nd half (none in the 4th qtr). The perfect storm would have been more like a 38-31 game.

 

[rockaction]

he played well today--but again--today just proved that our expectations have been lowered. A juicy matchup against a defense that has been weak as of late. His team is moving the ball like crazy and his qb is totally on point-his team scores 38pts-and what does he end up with--63 yards and a td. An elite RB1 in that perfect storm of events would normally have far bigger numbers. However--those numbers are indicative of a high upside rb2 taking into account todays perfect storm.

Expectations have been lowered, but this wasn't the perfect storm, it was a blowout where he only had 4 touches in the 2nd half (none in the 4th qtr). The perfect storm would have been more like a 38-31 game.

Now I know who drafts crappy Alabama RBs.