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I love this place.  Duck and run for weeks on end after things don't look so good and then pop back in a gloat when they do.

Bold indeed to show up to chirp when Bell is hurt.  Golly, do you really think that Anderson will outperform the hurt back?
Duck and run? More like study. I happen to have a life outside of fantasy football, and when it gets hectic certain activities that I enjoyed in my leisure time get curtailed. Now, the why and wherefore of my absence happens to be none of your business, but I would hope that you would be smart enough to realize that since I never ran away from the criticism when it was at its peak, I probably wasn't running away when my guy was on top.If I'm just worried about criticism, why didn't I show up and gloat after Anderson's 24:8 carry advantage against NYG? Or his 21:14 carry advantage against Philly? Or his better YPC and his score against Oakland? Anderson's outperformed Bell for 5 straight weeks now (if you include the bye), and I'm just now showing up to "gloat"? Think about it for a little bit.

I showed up today, not because Bell was hurt, but because I wanted to remind everyone that Denver struggles against the 3-4 defense. And like I said, I fully expect Anderson's per-game averages to drop this week, and wouldn't be surprised if he only put up 50 yards and no score. Wouldn't surprise me. However, accusing me of showing up because Bell has been hurt is just lame. I made my "Anderson is a stud" claim WHEN MIKE ANDERSON WAS HIMSELF HURT. Remember?

Anderson has outproduced a fully healthy Tatum Bell all season. Why, then, would I need to wait until Bell got hurt before popping up and saying Anderson will outproduce him for the rest of the season?

Did you ever consider that perhaps the reason why I popped back up had nothing to do with Tatum Bell's injury, and everything to do with the fact that it's Thanksgiving (and therefore Thanksgiving Break)?
Ah, the classic I have a life dodge. Frankly I doubt your life is so full that during your studies, some of which undoubtably had you on your computer, that you could not click over for a moment or two. I am an attorney, a father, and responsibile for the care of a dying brother and an invalid MIL, yet I find moments, so BS.I'm not surprised you got tired of the week to week back to back and that you waited for a trend, particularly as when you left and hid the trend was running against you. Particularly LOL when you argue the bye week as part of the trend. See, having read you before I know you are not that funny, that you actually hoped to butress your argument with that unintended humor.

In the end I don't care one way or the other. I have my belief, you have your claim. Happy Thanksgiving.

 
I love this place.  Duck and run for weeks on end after things don't look so good and then pop back in a gloat when they do.

Bold indeed to show up to chirp when Bell is hurt.  Golly, do you really think that Anderson will outperform the hurt back?
Duck and run? More like study. I happen to have a life outside of fantasy football, and when it gets hectic certain activities that I enjoyed in my leisure time get curtailed. Now, the why and wherefore of my absence happens to be none of your business, but I would hope that you would be smart enough to realize that since I never ran away from the criticism when it was at its peak, I probably wasn't running away when my guy was on top.If I'm just worried about criticism, why didn't I show up and gloat after Anderson's 24:8 carry advantage against NYG? Or his 21:14 carry advantage against Philly? Or his better YPC and his score against Oakland? Anderson's outperformed Bell for 5 straight weeks now (if you include the bye), and I'm just now showing up to "gloat"? Think about it for a little bit.

I showed up today, not because Bell was hurt, but because I wanted to remind everyone that Denver struggles against the 3-4 defense. And like I said, I fully expect Anderson's per-game averages to drop this week, and wouldn't be surprised if he only put up 50 yards and no score. Wouldn't surprise me. However, accusing me of showing up because Bell has been hurt is just lame. I made my "Anderson is a stud" claim WHEN MIKE ANDERSON WAS HIMSELF HURT. Remember?

Anderson has outproduced a fully healthy Tatum Bell all season. Why, then, would I need to wait until Bell got hurt before popping up and saying Anderson will outproduce him for the rest of the season?

Did you ever consider that perhaps the reason why I popped back up had nothing to do with Tatum Bell's injury, and everything to do with the fact that it's Thanksgiving (and therefore Thanksgiving Break)?
Ah, the classic I have a life dodge. Frankly I doubt your life is so full that during your studies, some of which undoubtably had you on your computer, that you could not click over for a moment or two. I am an attorney, a father, and responsibile for the care of a dying brother and an invalid MIL, yet I find moments, so BS.I'm not surprised you got tired of the week to week back to back and that you waited for a trend, particularly as when you left and hid the trend was running against you. Particularly LOL when you argue the bye week as part of the trend. See, having read you before I know you are not that funny, that you actually hoped to butress your argument with that unintended humor.

In the end I don't care one way or the other. I have my belief, you have your claim. Happy Thanksgiving.
Dude,Give it a rest. :thumbdown:

MA has been steadily outperforming Bell for weeks now. SSOG specifically said he expects a subpar effort from MA today. I see no gloating on the part of SSOG in his posts.

 
I showed up today, not because Bell was hurt, but because I wanted to remind everyone that Denver struggles against the 3-4 defense. And like I said, I fully expect Anderson's per-game averages to drop this week, and wouldn't be surprised if he only put up 50 yards and no score. Wouldn't surprise me. However, accusing me of showing up because Bell has been hurt is just lame. I made my "Anderson is a stud" claim WHEN MIKE ANDERSON WAS HIMSELF HURT. Remember?

Anderson has outproduced a fully healthy Tatum Bell all season. Why, then, would I need to wait until Bell got hurt before popping up and saying Anderson will outproduce him for the rest of the season?

Did you ever consider that perhaps the reason why I popped back up had nothing to do with Tatum Bell's injury, and everything to do with the fact that it's Thanksgiving (and therefore Thanksgiving Break)?
So why has MA struggled so far today but not Dayne? And Anderson as outproduced a fully healthy Tatum Bell in 3 of the last 4 games, not all season, as you state. As well, Mike Anderson has rushed for over 100 yards in 4 out of 11 games this year....or 36% of the games he's played. Is that a stud to you? Because if so, then your definition of stud is very broad.

 
Ah, the classic I have a life dodge. Frankly I doubt your life is so full that during your studies, some of which undoubtably had you on your computer, that you could not click over for a moment or two. I am an attorney, a father, and responsibile for the care of a dying brother and an invalid MIL, yet I find moments, so BS.

I'm not surprised you got tired of the week to week back to back and that you waited for a trend, particularly as when you left and hid the trend was running against you. Particularly LOL when you argue the bye week as part of the trend. See, having read you before I know you are not that funny, that you actually hoped to butress your argument with that unintended humor.

In the end I don't care one way or the other. I have my belief, you have your claim. Happy Thanksgiving.
I'd get into a pissing match with you, but I'm afraid because I have a little penis and I think you'll laugh. How about we just say that you'll do things your way, and post as you see fit, and I'll see things my way, and post at my discretion. And, if it makes you feel any better, I really wish I was as much of a man as you, but alas, I'm afraid I'm not. If only I could balance such a gigantic workload and still have time for fantasy football, I might be in first place in one of my leagues right now, rather than fighting for that last playoff spot or to avoid a losing season.Seriously, what are you looking for here? An admission that I'm a self-serving goon who only waited until Mike Anderson had put together 4 straight dominant games before showing myself? Even if that's the case, you have to congratulate on me for sticking to my guns enough not to show up after 3 straight dominant games. I mean, at least I had enough confidence in my projection that I waited as golden opportunity after golden opportunity to gloat passed me by, right?

Do you want me to admit that I have absolutely no other hobbies except fantasy football with which I choose to occupy my time? Or that I'm simply not as good as you are at balancing a heavy workload? So you're busy and you still have time to post. Good for you. I admire that quality in you, and wish that I could somehow manage to get my life as put together as you have yours. Because it really sounds like you have your life put together- and I know over the internet, everything sounds sarcastic, but I assure you, I'm not being sarcastic. I admire your obvious intelligence and ability to get through law school, and your dedication to your brother and that invalid MIL, whatever that is. And I admit, I have absolutely no idea what that is, but it sounds like a time commitment and admire the fact that you made that time commitment, because I'm sure it was a sacrifice on your part and as someone who has made sacrifices before- although none as serious as yours- I understand that sacrifices often go unnoticed in the real world, and that's a real shame, because the people who are so willing to make those sacrifices are usually truly wonderful people.

As for why I was including the bye week- I was simply pointing out how long it had been since Tatum Bell had last outperformed Mike Anderson. I could have shown up anytime in the last FIVE WEEKS and congratulated myself for my genius. I have had 5 weeks to come by and gloat, but I have not once. In fact, I never showed back up until Thanksgiving break. You can tell me that that's a coincidence that I'm using to cover over my own self-serving and self-congratulatory nature. I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth, but ultimately, I can't make you believe anything other than what you believe. You have a right to believe whatever the heck you want to believe, and I don't begrudge you that right for a second, because I excercise that exact same right every second of every day, and I wouldn't want anyone to take it away from me.

Now, allow me to duck out of this conversation before I start coming off as preachy. Oops, too late. I'm sure you all are suffering from a massive tryptophan hangover, so how about I just sum all of this up and say that I'm sorry that you chose to believe the worst about me, and I wish that it weren't so, but I understand and I don't hold it against you, and I won't waste any of your time or mine trying to convince you otherwise.

So why has MA struggled so far today but not Dayne?
Don't know. I have a lot of THEORIES, but I don't know. Perhaps the fact that he had a 26 carry game just 4 days ago might have had something to do with it. Perhaps the fact that Dayne hasn't had a carry in... what, 6, 7 weeks?... meant he was fresher. Maybe his teammates like him better. Maybe Rush Limbaugh said that the press just wanted to see him succeed because he was black. Maybe Mike Anderson had a bad game. Maybe Dayne had a great game. Maybe Dayne was lucky enough to be on the field the only two plays decent-sized holes were opened. Maybe Shanahan really is a mastermind and just signed Dayne as his secret weapon against 3-4 defenses, since his best games have come against SD and Dallas.While we're at it, how did Philly limit Tomlinson to... what was it again, 7 yards on 17 carries? Why did Steven Jackson only rush for 6 yards against the Cardinals? Why does Tatum Bell average over 10 yards a carry in some games, and under 4 in others? Why don't they just announce before the season how each player is going to play during each game? It sure would make start/sit decisions a heck of a lot easier.

And Anderson as outproduced a fully healthy Tatum Bell in 3 of the last 4 games, not all season, as you state.

As well, Mike Anderson has rushed for over 100 yards in 4 out of 11 games this year....or 36% of the games he's played. Is that a stud to you? Because if so, then your definition of stud is very broad.
When I made that claim, Mike Anderson was the 9th ranked RB in the NFL *FOR THE WHOLE SEASON*. Tatum Bell was #22. That's outproducing a player over the season. I can say that LaDanian Tomlinson outproduced Mike Anderson, even though Mike Anderson technically turned in a far superior performance in week 7.And I qualified from the very beginning, when I first made the claim after the SD Chargers game, that I said Mike Anderson was a stud for the rest of the season, and defined "stud" as top-10 RB, since there were on average 10 RBs drafted in the first round in 12 team leagues. That means any RB that finishes in the top-10 just got first round production. You have a problem with that definition, fine, but that's the definition I was using. I was claiming that, from week 2 on, Anderson would be a first-round caliber RB. And guess what... he ranked 6th in points per game since week 2 before Dallas- ahead of Priest Holmes, allow me to add. And even after Dallas, where I predicted that he'd have a bad day, he ranks 9th in points per game.

Mike Anderson, prior to today's game, averaged 100.5 all-purpose yards and a TD a game. Yes, I'd call that a "stud".

Please, if you have any other questions about my claims, feel free to ask.

 
MA played 4 days ago so he may be worn down. However, MA is not a talented RB and he never will be. Yes Dayne is fresher, that doesn't change the fact that the Denver running system just became a 3-headed monster. There is no talent difference between the 2 Rb's (MA & Dayne). I haven not seen Dayne cut like this ever. For Dayne, Denver= Wisconsin. Look for Dayne to eat into MA's carries and everyone should drop down MA projections for the rest of the year. He has sucked for so long and has never started more than 12 games.DENVER=3 HEADED MONSTER

 
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I think calling MA a stud is a bit overboard, but saying he sucks is outright ridiculous.And yes, the Den RB situation is a mess, but MA has been the one RB getting consistent carries when healthy. The Den RBs are productive as a whole and the pie is pretty big to slice up, for Bell and MA owners, hopefully the pie isn't cut into thirds.

 
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MA played 4 days ago so he may be worn down. However, MA is not a talented RB and he never will be. Yes Dayne is fresher, that doesn't change the fact that the Denver running system just became a 3-headed monster. There is no talent difference between the 2 Rb's (MA & Dayne). I haven not seen Dayne cut like this ever. For Dayne, Denver= Wisconsin. Look for Dayne to eat into MA's carries and everyone should drop down MA projections for the rest of the year. He has sucked for so long and has never started more than 12 games.

DENVER=3 HEADED MONSTER
This is the second time this season that everyone projected Anderson would be losing carries to Dayne. The first time, it only took two weeks before Dayne returned to his role as a weekly inactive.There have also been numerous times when everyone has projected that Bell was poised to rip the starting job out of Anderson's hands. So far, he's failed with every bid.

I'm standing by my projection. Again, at the end of the season, I'll post the final results and either do some well-deserved gloating (VERY well-deserved, in fact), or I'll admit that I was way off base and submit myself for public ridicule, allowing them to hang me in a cage and feed me nothing but bread and vinegar and encourage the townspeople to come and poke me with sharp sticks before they drag my half-dead carcass through the streets of the city behind a chariot and finally, string me up and hang me from a gallows until I am dead.

Well, I'll at least submit myself for public ridicule. I suppose that will have to satisfy you all, unless someone knows where we can rent a chariot.

 
I think calling MA a stud is a bit overboard, but saying he sucks is outright ridiculous.

And yes, the Den RB situation is a mess, but MA has been the one RB getting consistent carries when healthy. The Den RBs are productive as a whole and the pie is pretty big to slice up, for Bell and MA owners, hopefully the pie isn't cut into thirds.
What ? I said he has sucked for so long. He has sucked after the 2000-01 till he broke out this season. That is fact.. He hasn't done squat in years, you really need to pay attention.
 
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I think calling MA a stud is a bit overboard, but saying he sucks is outright ridiculous.

And yes, the Den RB situation is a mess, but MA has been the one RB getting consistent carries when healthy. The Den RBs are productive as a whole and the pie is pretty big to slice up, for Bell and MA owners, hopefully the pie isn't cut into thirds.
What ? I said he has sucked for so long. That is fact.. He hasn't done squat in years, you really need to pay attention.
I read what you wrote... Perhaps if you said he had sucked for so long, PREVIOUS TO THIS YEAR, I would have agreed. I took what you wrote literally.
 
I think calling MA a stud is a bit overboard, but saying he sucks is outright ridiculous.

And yes, the Den RB situation is a mess, but MA has been the one RB getting consistent carries when healthy. The Den RBs are productive as a whole and the pie is pretty big to slice up, for Bell and MA owners, hopefully the pie isn't cut into thirds.
What ? I said he has sucked for so long. That is fact.. He hasn't done squat in years, you really need to pay attention.
Again, did you miss the post where I provided the numbers before the game that said that his point-per-game performance from weeks 3 to 11 ranked #6 among all RBs? Tell me, how is that "sucking"? Is scoring more points during an 8 week stretch than all but 5 other RBs now considered "sucking"? If it is, I can only say that I wish I had more sucky RBs on my squad.
 
I think calling MA a stud is a bit overboard, but saying he sucks is outright ridiculous.

And yes, the Den RB situation is a mess, but MA has been the one RB getting consistent carries when healthy. The Den RBs are productive as a whole and the pie is pretty big to slice up, for Bell and MA owners, hopefully the pie isn't cut into thirds.
What ? I said he has sucked for so long. He has sucked after the 2000-01 till he broke out this season. That is fact.. He hasn't done squat in years, you really need to pay attention.
Nice edit.I guess Rich Gannon must be a sucky QB. Just look at how many sucky years he had. I'm sure glad I didn't own that scrub in... oh... say... 2002. And that Bertrand Berry character- he got cut by the Indy Colts and spent an entire year OUT OF FOOTBALL altogether. No way a player that sucky could ever lead the NFC in sacks. I mean, Simeon Rice and Michael Strahan both play in the NFC. Surely they couldn't get shown up by a Bertrand Berry type.

Mike Anderson was a fullback for two seasons, and then had won the starting RB job outright last preseason before getting injured. He hasn't "sucked", he's been playing fullback- and playing extremely well, at that. Or he's been injured. If season-ending injuries make a player sucky, then I guess Steve Smith is sucky. And I'm sure you won't touch J-Walker with a 10-foot pole next season.

 
I think calling MA a stud is a bit overboard, but saying he sucks is outright ridiculous.

And yes, the Den RB situation is a mess, but MA has been the one RB getting consistent carries when healthy. The Den RBs are productive as a whole and the pie is pretty big to slice up, for Bell and MA owners, hopefully the pie isn't cut into thirds.
What ? I said he has sucked for so long. That is fact.. He hasn't done squat in years, you really need to pay attention.
Again, did you miss the post where I provided the numbers before the game that said that his point-per-game performance from weeks 3 to 11 ranked #6 among all RBs? Tell me, how is that "sucking"? Is scoring more points during an 8 week stretch than all but 5 other RBs now considered "sucking"? If it is, I can only say that I wish I had more sucky RBs on my squad.
Read again, I edited the post. U still don't get the main point and that isDENVER = 3 HEADED MONSTER

Let's see if MA continues to be a "stud" LOL

 
Hi.

Can we wait until January to decide this?
I'd love to.
Read again, I edited the post. U still don't get the main point and that is

DENVER = 3 HEADED MONSTER

Let's see if MA continues to be a "stud" LOL
Sure thing, sport. You've got yourself a deal.
 
I've seen too many of your butts in this thread. Can you please tell me who is on your rosters that you sat to start MA, or that you sat MA for? I start him in one league and in another league I have the nightmare known as Fred Taylor who unfortunately was in the same tier. Anybody draft anyone before Mike that may be doing worse? SSOG is not wrong. Why the ripfest?

 
I think calling MA a stud is a bit overboard, but saying he sucks is outright ridiculous.

And yes, the Den RB situation is a mess, but MA has been the one RB getting consistent carries when healthy. The Den RBs are productive as a whole and the pie is pretty big to slice up, for Bell and MA owners, hopefully the pie isn't cut into thirds.
What ? I said he has sucked for so long. He has sucked after the 2000-01 till he broke out this season. That is fact.. He hasn't done squat in years, you really need to pay attention.row
Nice edit.I guess Rich Gannon must be a sucky QB. Just look at how many sucky years he had. I'm sure glad I didn't own that scrub in... oh... say... 2002. And that Bertrand Berry character- he got cut by the Indy Colts and spent an entire year OUT OF FOOTBALL altogether. No way a player that sucky could ever lead the NFC in sacks. I mean, Simeon Rice and Michael Strahan both play in the NFC. Surely they couldn't get shown up by a Bertrand Berry type.

Mike Anderson was a fullback for two seasons, and then had won the starting RB job outright last preseason before getting injured. He hasn't "sucked", he's been playing fullback- and playing extremely well, at that. Or he's been injured. If season-ending injuries make a player sucky, then I guess Steve Smith is sucky. And I'm sure you won't touch J-Walker with a 10-foot pole next season.
The difference is Gannon has played a gazillion years and he has thrown for over 28000 yds. Gannon was a MVP for crying out loud. Steve Smith is the best WR in football. I guess u think MA is the best RB and league MVP. This idiotic comparision only casts more doubt into people's minds about u.
 
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The difference is Gannon has played a gazillion years and he has thrown for over 28000 yds. Gannon was a MVP for crying out loud. Steve Smith is the best WR in football. I guess u think MA is the best RB and league MVP. This idiotic comparision only casts more doubt into people's minds about u. Give it up , you are clueless.
Why did you use "u" twice in your post, but then use "you" once? :confused: And why don't u use "r" for "are"? :confused:

Boot.

:popcorn:

 
I don't really care much about the issue at hand (don't own the Denver backs), but SSOG is owning this arguement. It's amazing where rational thought can take you.

 
I don't really care much about the issue at hand (don't own the Denver backs), but SSOG is owning this arguement. It's amazing where rational thought can take you.
I argued MA has sucked for 4 years -how the hell is SSOG owning this argument? He hasn't proven he can start an entire season and Dayne/Bell have proven they can be potential studs in this system.
 
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I don't really care much about the issue at hand (don't own the Denver backs), but SSOG is owning this arguement. It's amazing where rational thought can take you.
I argued MA has sucked for 4 years -how the hell is SSOG owning this argument? He hasn't proven he can start an entire season and Dayne/Bell have proven they can be potential studs in this system.
I'm not sure how MA hasn't proven he can be a stud in this system for numerous games in a row.
 
I don't really care much about the issue at hand (don't own the Denver backs), but SSOG is owning this arguement.  It's amazing where rational thought can take you.
I argued MA has sucked for 4 years -how the hell is SSOG owning this argument? He hasn't proven he can start an entire season and Dayne/Bell have proven they can be potential studs in this system.
Not sure I would call Dayne a stud based on 1 long run.. I guess thats a matter of opinion then..
 
The difference is Gannon has played a gazillion years and he has thrown for over 28000 yds. Gannon was a MVP for crying out loud. Steve Smith is the best WR in football. I guess u think MA is the best RB and league MVP. This idiotic comparision only casts more doubt into people's minds about u.
hardcoredx,I think you've completely missed SSOG's point in bringing up Gannon & Smith as examples.

Smith was the Panthers Starting WR last year, but in the very 1st game, suffered a season ending injury and was put on IR, same as MA suffered a season ending injury himself last year, in the last pre season game and was put on IR.

Gannon sucked for years as a QB, before he had his MVP Superbowl season.

MA like Smith has had previous successful NFL seasons.

In fact MA was named Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2000.

So the Smith example relates like this. Smith had previous success at his position, went on IR for a year and is now having success at his position again.

MA had previous success at his position, went on IR for a year and is now having success at his position again.

Gannon was a back up QB for years, before his breakout season.

MA has been a back up for years in Denver (except for 2000, where he was named ROY) and is now having a successful season.

Gannon & Smith are perfect example to use in comparrision to MA, in the context SSOG used them.

Do the example make sense to you now?

 
MA is not a talented RB and he never will be.
Yeah...they hand out at least one hundred Offensive Rookie of the Year awards per year and they'll give it to just about anybody.MA's a no talent hack, lucky to be wearing an NFL uniform.

 
I argued MA has sucked for 4 years -how the hell is SSOG owning this argument? He hasn't proven he can start an entire season and Dayne/Bell have proven they can be potential studs in this system.
Well... he's proven that he can start every single game to this point- 11 and counting. Besides, has Tatum Bell proven he can start an entire season? He's been playing Change-of-Pace back, getting far fewer carries, and STILL has missed more games due to injury than Anderson.As for Dayne/Bell having proven they can be potential studs in this system... how many of them have put up a 100 yard, 3 TD game this season? What, none? Okay, well then how many of them rank in the top 10 in points per game? What, neither of them? Fine then, fine then, how many have had prior seasons where they were in the top 5 in points per game in this system. Again, neither of them? As far as I can see, there's only one guy in Denver's backfield who has proven he can be a stud in this system.

I've mentioned it before, but let me introduce you to the concept of "success rate". The theory is that a run can be classified as "successful" if it gains 40% of the necessary yardage to convert on 1st down, 60% of the necessary yardage to convert on second down, or 100% of the necessary yardage to convert on 3rd and 4th down. So a run of 4 yards on 1st-and-10 is successful, but a run of 8 yards on 3rd-and-10 is not. You following so far? Well good, because Mike Anderson is the #2 RB in the entire NFL in terms of percentage of runs that are "successful" (57%), behind only Edgerrin James (who has faced a cupcake schedule). So, in other words, the only RB in the entire NFL who has been better at moving the chains- something that is Denver's offensive goal- has been Edgerrin James, and he's done it against worse competition.

Because I know you care, Tatum Bell is ranked 17th, achieving success on 45% of his runs.

 
I argued MA has sucked for 4 years -how the hell is SSOG owning this argument? He hasn't proven he can start an entire season and Dayne/Bell have proven they can be potential studs in this system.
Well... he's proven that he can start every single game to this point- 11 and counting. Besides, has Tatum Bell proven he can start an entire season? He's been playing Change-of-Pace back, getting far fewer carries, and STILL has missed more games due to injury than Anderson.As for Dayne/Bell having proven they can be potential studs in this system... how many of them have put up a 100 yard, 3 TD game this season? What, none? Okay, well then how many of them rank in the top 10 in points per game? What, neither of them? Fine then, fine then, how many have had prior seasons where they were in the top 5 in points per game in this system. Again, neither of them? As far as I can see, there's only one guy in Denver's backfield who has proven he can be a stud in this system.

I've mentioned it before, but let me introduce you to the concept of "success rate". The theory is that a run can be classified as "successful" if it gains 40% of the necessary yardage to convert on 1st down, 60% of the necessary yardage to convert on second down, or 100% of the necessary yardage to convert on 3rd and 4th down. So a run of 4 yards on 1st-and-10 is successful, but a run of 8 yards on 3rd-and-10 is not. You following so far? Well good, because Mike Anderson is the #2 RB in the entire NFL in terms of percentage of runs that are "successful" (57%), behind only Edgerrin James (who has faced a cupcake schedule). So, in other words, the only RB in the entire NFL who has been better at moving the chains- something that is Denver's offensive goal- has been Edgerrin James, and he's done it against worse competition.

Because I know you care, Tatum Bell is ranked 17th, achieving success on 45% of his runs.
I've seen alot of stuff in my time, but I've never seen this stat. I'm impressed - where did this one come from?I'm not trying to be sarcastic here - I think that this is a meaningful stat...who tracks this?

 
I argued MA has sucked for 4 years -how the hell is SSOG owning this argument? He hasn't proven he can start an entire season and Dayne/Bell have proven they can be potential studs in this system.
Well... he's proven that he can start every single game to this point- 11 and counting. Besides, has Tatum Bell proven he can start an entire season? He's been playing Change-of-Pace back, getting far fewer carries, and STILL has missed more games due to injury than Anderson.As for Dayne/Bell having proven they can be potential studs in this system... how many of them have put up a 100 yard, 3 TD game this season? What, none? Okay, well then how many of them rank in the top 10 in points per game? What, neither of them? Fine then, fine then, how many have had prior seasons where they were in the top 5 in points per game in this system. Again, neither of them? As far as I can see, there's only one guy in Denver's backfield who has proven he can be a stud in this system.

I've mentioned it before, but let me introduce you to the concept of "success rate". The theory is that a run can be classified as "successful" if it gains 40% of the necessary yardage to convert on 1st down, 60% of the necessary yardage to convert on second down, or 100% of the necessary yardage to convert on 3rd and 4th down. So a run of 4 yards on 1st-and-10 is successful, but a run of 8 yards on 3rd-and-10 is not. You following so far? Well good, because Mike Anderson is the #2 RB in the entire NFL in terms of percentage of runs that are "successful" (57%), behind only Edgerrin James (who has faced a cupcake schedule). So, in other words, the only RB in the entire NFL who has been better at moving the chains- something that is Denver's offensive goal- has been Edgerrin James, and he's done it against worse competition.

Because I know you care, Tatum Bell is ranked 17th, achieving success on 45% of his runs.
An interesting stat but its skewed in favor of a back who is replaced on 3rd and long but kept in on 3rd and short (MA).
 
I've seen alot of stuff in my time, but I've never seen this stat. I'm impressed - where did this one come from?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here - I think that this is a meaningful stat...who tracks this?
www.footballoutsiders.com . They have all sorts of awesome stats there. What they do is they actually chart the play-by-play of every game in the entire NFL, and compare how each team does compared to the league averages, adjusted for down, distance, time remaining, score, and opponent.For instance, if an RB runs for 8 yards on 1st-and-10, and the league average is 5 yards, then that RB had an above-average play, and his value is adjusted accordingly. If he runs for -3 yards, he had a BELOW average play, and his value is adjusted accordingly. If an RB runs for 7 yards on 2nd-and-12 against the Baltimore Ravens while trailing by 7 with 5 minutes remaining in the game, and the league average is 3 yards on 2nd-and-12 against the Baltimore Ravens while trailing by 7 with 5 minutes remaining in the game, then that player just had an above-average play, and his value is adjusted accordingly.

Really really cool stuff. The entire site is devoted to challenging conventional football wisdom. If you're the kind of guy who wishes there were better stats for football, this is very definitely the site for you.

An interesting stat but its skewed in favor of a back who is replaced on 3rd and long but kept in on 3rd and short (MA).
True, but how often does ANY team run in third-and-long?Here, read what I wrote up above about Football Outsiders really quick. Got it? Well, here's the page that shows how good RBs have been this season. The column labeled DVOA is the one we're going to look at here, since that's the column that tracks how good an RB has been compared to league average, adjusted for down and distance (so if an RB is running on 3rd-and-long, the numbers account for the fact that the run isn't likely to be successful). A quick look shows us that Mike Anderson is 4th in the league in DVOA, while Tatum Bell is 17th.

 
Bump. Finals are over, so I'll be around for the end of the season. Here's how things currently stand.Mike Anderson PPG, weeks 1-14: 12.76, 16th in the NFL (14th if you exclude part-timers Holmes and Gado).Mike Anderson PPG, weeks 3-14: 14.22, 12th in the NFL (10th if you exclude part-timers Holmes and Gado).Mike Anderson PPG, weeks 3-15: 14.88, would be good for 9th, 8th if you exclude Holmes. The only RBs with a higher PPG are Alexander, Tomlinson, James, Johnson, Barber, Jordan, Holmes, and DomDavis.It's looking like it's going to be extremely close, especially if Rudi Johnson or Clinton Portis really step it up this weekend, but with one weekend remaining in the fantasy football season, Mike Anderson is currently on pace to validate my prediction. Of course, Tatum Bell was once "on pace for" a 1,000 yard season, so it just shows how much "on pace for" counts in the NFL.Can't wait until next Tuesday, when we can finally settle this matter once and for all.

 
Oh, almost forgot. Since week 2, he's averaging 17.5 rushes, 18.6 total touches, 88.75 yards, and 1.0 TD a game. Which is shy of my prediction of 20 touches, 100 yards, and a score a game. Just in the interest of thoroughness, in case anyone was curious.

 
I, for one, don't have to wait until Tuesday. SSOG is the man (unless G stands for girl) and I'm glad I followed his advice. I've stuck with Anderson in both of my leagues and I'm being rewarded for it. When in need of solid Broncos-related fantasy info, there is SSOG and then there is everyone else. Perhaps on Tuesday you can use the time to reveal "OG" because as far as I'm concerned the principal issue has been decided. Thanks.

 
I, for one, don't have to wait until Tuesday. SSOG is the man (unless G stands for girl) and I'm glad I followed his advice. I've stuck with Anderson in both of my leagues and I'm being rewarded for it. When in need of solid Broncos-related fantasy info, there is SSOG and then there is everyone else. Perhaps on Tuesday you can use the time to reveal "OG" because as far as I'm concerned the principal issue has been decided. Thanks.
:goodposting: It seems to never fail that when someone calls someone out on this board...they get bit in the behind. I own MA as a 10th round pick and used as a flex every week. He has been more than worth it as I'm deep in the playoffs. I can almost bet you that most of the MA haters here own Bell and/or Dayne and really need something to grasp to.

Here's to all you MA owners

:banned:

mmm tastes good !!

 
Just curious to see if he'll show up & admit that he could be wrong after he so empatically stated how the DEN RB situation was going to shake out for the rest of the year, and told anyone who thought the situation was still undecipherable and had the temerity to disagree with him how wrong they were.
Well this thread definitely came back to bite Pony Boy in the rear. He certainly got :own3d: by his own thread.I wonder if he can sack up and do as he says above, even though he directed it at SSOG?

 
I have had faith in MA since the glowing training camp reports. I drafted him in the 2nd round, pick 23 in a 14 teamer. He is currently 7th in RB scoring and 17th overall. If Shanny would of show him more goaline love and made sure he got around 20 carries he would of easily been a top 5 RB in our scoring system. MA has kick started my team in the semi-finals this week. Scoring is 1/20 yds 6 for a TD.

 
Just curious to see if he'll show up & admit that he could be wrong after he so empatically stated how the DEN RB situation was going to shake out for the rest of the year, and told anyone who thought the situation was still undecipherable and had the temerity to disagree with him how wrong they were.
Well this thread definitely came back to bite Pony Boy in the rear. He certainly got :own3d: by his own thread.I wonder if he can sack up and do as he says above, even though he directed it at SSOG?
Don't get ahead of yourself. As I said, a strong showing by Portis and/or Rudi Johnson could VERY easily knock him down a couple of notches, and there's still an entire week remaining after that. Let's see how this all shakes out before one side starts calling out the other.
 

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