Applauding a new cop in post #180 (1 Viewer)

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-knocks-dwi-suspect-pavement-takedown-article-1.2195679

Maybe don't drive drunk with your little kid in the car and this wouldn't happen

You applaud a cop for knocking a mother unconscious in front of her six year old daughter? WTF is wrong with you?

I wish you and every single cop in this country could get one thing through the collective head:

Punishing suspects is not the role of the police. That is the role of the courts. Police are only charged with stopping crimes, apprehending suspects, and putting them into the criminal justice system. They are not intended to NOR ALLOWED BY LAW to enact punishment on suspects.

There is a simple reason for this and it is that an arrest does not equal guilt. This is the other thing that people can't seem to get through their heads. So enacting punishment at the time of the arrest is illegal for a VERY GOOD REASON and that is that people, in our country, according to our justice system, are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW.

Anyone who "applauds" this type of action is saying they do not believe in the maxim of innocent until proven guilty.

Did he throw her down as a form of punishment, or did he throw her down because she was resisting arrest and that's the way you get handcuffs on someone in that situation?

Have you watched the video? Did you feel that what he did was a necessary step to getting handcuffs on that woman? You can honestly look at that video and say he did what he did without emotion?

Yes. I think what he did was pretty standard way of getting handcuffs onto someone who is resisting arrest. If she hadn't hit her head and went unconscious nobody would be making anything out of it. I dont believe it was the cops intention to knock her out. But its the risk you take if you're going to resist arrest because you end up on the ground if the cop cant get the cuffs on you normally.

His intention was to arrest her and I see no evidence to counter this.

You don't get it. If someone is resisting, you must inform them that they are going to get taken down. If they decline, you must then let them keep resisting until they wear themselves out. Only then can you ask them again if it's ok to arrest them. If they say no, you continue to wait. If they agree, you must pick them up, and gently place them on the ground. That ground must be soft and cannot contain any material that could leave a mark. Best to have a fellow officer lay down a towel or something first.

It's pretty much the SOP for taking in criminals who are resisting. Not sure what you don't get.

So there's nowhere between holding her hands and prancing in a circle and pile-driving her into the concrete?

Again, officer safety is his first goal. You never know what a suspect will do. The longer you let them squirm and have the ability to fight for their freedom, the longer you risk your own life. I'm not going to spend 10 minutes trying to fight with a suspect who is clearly drunk when the other option is to put her to the ground (which is standard procedure) and take control of the situation.

 

[Clifford]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

Possibly bc she was resisting

 

[TheIronSheik]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

 

[B-Deep]

if this was necessary/reasonable so be it, still no reason to applaud him.

we should be applauding cops who find ways to handle situations without violence, accepting those who use an acceptable level of force when the conditions call for it, and condemning those who go too far.

There's really nothing to applaud in this situation, there's a little girl whose mom appears to be a drunk, who had to witness her mom getting knocked out. Even if that was all unavoidable by the cop if anything in this video makes you happy you need to recalibrate something.

In the end we have a traumatized girl being raised by an irresponsible drunk (assuming she is not taken away and possibly put into a foster system). Hooray!!! Standing O!!!!!!

 

[Clifford]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-knocks-dwi-suspect-pavement-takedown-article-1.2195679

Maybe don't drive drunk with your little kid in the car and this wouldn't happen

You applaud a cop for knocking a mother unconscious in front of her six year old daughter? WTF is wrong with you?

I wish you and every single cop in this country could get one thing through the collective head:

Punishing suspects is not the role of the police. That is the role of the courts. Police are only charged with stopping crimes, apprehending suspects, and putting them into the criminal justice system. They are not intended to NOR ALLOWED BY LAW to enact punishment on suspects.

There is a simple reason for this and it is that an arrest does not equal guilt. This is the other thing that people can't seem to get through their heads. So enacting punishment at the time of the arrest is illegal for a VERY GOOD REASON and that is that people, in our country, according to our justice system, are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW.

Anyone who "applauds" this type of action is saying they do not believe in the maxim of innocent until proven guilty.

Did he throw her down as a form of punishment, or did he throw her down because she was resisting arrest and that's the way you get handcuffs on someone in that situation?

Have you watched the video? Did you feel that what he did was a necessary step to getting handcuffs on that woman? You can honestly look at that video and say he did what he did without emotion?

Yes. I think what he did was pretty standard way of getting handcuffs onto someone who is resisting arrest. If she hadn't hit her head and went unconscious nobody would be making anything out of it. I dont believe it was the cops intention to knock her out. But its the risk you take if you're going to resist arrest because you end up on the ground if the cop cant get the cuffs on you normally.

His intention was to arrest her and I see no evidence to counter this.

Look at his size and hers. If he can't get the cuffs on her without throwing her on the pavement like he did (with obvious emotion) he should be working a desk. And honestly I did not see any "resistance" from her that required any action. Please point me to the timestamp of what you saw that justified throwing her to the pavement.

I dont think the video on its own can prove how much she was resisting. However, I'm going to side with the cop over the drunk driving PoS here because if his intention was to cause harm or punishment, then why not punch her or do something other than the usual, standard procedure for taking someone down when resisting.

Also, you or the cop dont know what else she might be on. Someone on PCP or similar drugs can be unusually strong. There are reasons the procedures for resisting arrest call for immobilizing them as quickly as possible.

Because he threw the knockout blow on the first swing? Are you giving him credit for not kicking/punching her while she had already been knocked out?

 

[Hang 10]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit her a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

Suspect: No, I won't put my hands behind my back #######.... Go #### yourself

Clifford: Pretty please

 

[Clifford]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

I'm not into bullying people. Pass.

 

[Clifford]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

Suspect: No, I won't put my hands behind my back #######.... Go #### yourself

Clifford: Pretty please

Make fun of me all you want. You are the one applauding traumatizing a six year old girl.

 

[Scoresman]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-knocks-dwi-suspect-pavement-takedown-article-1.2195679

Maybe don't drive drunk with your little kid in the car and this wouldn't happen

You applaud a cop for knocking a mother unconscious in front of her six year old daughter? WTF is wrong with you?

I wish you and every single cop in this country could get one thing through the collective head:

Punishing suspects is not the role of the police. That is the role of the courts. Police are only charged with stopping crimes, apprehending suspects, and putting them into the criminal justice system. They are not intended to NOR ALLOWED BY LAW to enact punishment on suspects.

There is a simple reason for this and it is that an arrest does not equal guilt. This is the other thing that people can't seem to get through their heads. So enacting punishment at the time of the arrest is illegal for a VERY GOOD REASON and that is that people, in our country, according to our justice system, are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW.

Anyone who "applauds" this type of action is saying they do not believe in the maxim of innocent until proven guilty.

Did he throw her down as a form of punishment, or did he throw her down because she was resisting arrest and that's the way you get handcuffs on someone in that situation?

Have you watched the video? Did you feel that what he did was a necessary step to getting handcuffs on that woman? You can honestly look at that video and say he did what he did without emotion?

Yes. I think what he did was pretty standard way of getting handcuffs onto someone who is resisting arrest. If she hadn't hit her head and went unconscious nobody would be making anything out of it. I dont believe it was the cops intention to knock her out. But its the risk you take if you're going to resist arrest because you end up on the ground if the cop cant get the cuffs on you normally.

His intention was to arrest her and I see no evidence to counter this.

Look at his size and hers. If he can't get the cuffs on her without throwing her on the pavement like he did (with obvious emotion) he should be working a desk. And honestly I did not see any "resistance" from her that required any action. Please point me to the timestamp of what you saw that justified throwing her to the pavement.

I dont think the video on its own can prove how much she was resisting. However, I'm going to side with the cop over the drunk driving PoS here because if his intention was to cause harm or punishment, then why not punch her or do something other than the usual, standard procedure for taking someone down when resisting.

Also, you or the cop dont know what else she might be on. Someone on PCP or similar drugs can be unusually strong. There are reasons the procedures for resisting arrest call for immobilizing them as quickly as possible.

Because he threw the knockout blow on the first swing? Are you giving him credit for not kicking/punching her while she had already been knocked out?

Not at all. What I'm saying is that if it were his goal to punish her or whatever, why not just pummel her like we've seen actual corrupt cops do.

The "knockout blow" as you call it was unintentional IMO and an unfortunate consequence which might arise if you resist arrest and the cop has to escalate things to get you under control. Easily avoidable if you take the non-crazy option of not resisting arrest.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

Suspect: No, I won't put my hands behind my back #######.... Go #### yourself

Clifford: Pretty please

Make fun of me all you want. You are the one applauding traumatizing a six year old girl.

Pretty sure her mother put her in that position a lot more than the cop, mmmmkay?

 

[Clifford]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

In the beginning. The video comes in the middle. So somehow this cop managed to overcome this tiny woman jerking her arm and still got both hands behind her back.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

I'm not into bullying people. Pass.

True colors come out now. I see you already prejudge all cops. Nice. No winning this argument with you. He was in the wrong as soon as he put the uniform on.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

Suspect: No, I won't put my hands behind my back #######.... Go #### yourself

Clifford: Pretty please

Make fun of me all you want. You are the one applauding traumatizing a six year old girl.

So the cop did that? Not the mom? Gotcha.

 

[Scoresman]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

In the beginning. The video comes in the middle. So somehow this cop managed to overcome this tiny woman jerking her arm and still got both hands behind her back.

That doesnt mean its easy to get cuffs on someone struggling to get their hands free. You only have two hands. If you need to use them both just to keep the persons hands behind their back, then what are you supposed to use to get the cuffs on? Your feet?

 

[Clifford]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

Suspect: No, I won't put my hands behind my back #######.... Go #### yourself

Clifford: Pretty please

Make fun of me all you want. You are the one applauding traumatizing a six year old girl.

Pretty sure her mother put her in that position a lot more than the cop, mmmmkay?

Doesn't change the fact that you loved seeing this woman knocked out so much you decided to share your glee at the incident by creating a thread just for this.

 

[matttyl]

Again, he is twice her size and has both hands behind her back. If he can't get the cuffs on from that position he is not very good at his job.

Someone asked me to be real. So let's be real: does anyone actually think the cop didn't throw her to the ground because he was angry?

He was probably angry because she wasn't "adhering to certain standards, was a terrible mother, possibly a criminal, stupid, irresponsible and possibly belligerent".

To think that cops will never, ever, ever show any emotion in their jobs is naive. And I'm not sure he was showing any emotion, but rather just doing his job with a unruly, drunk individual.

 

[Clifford]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

I'm not into bullying people. Pass.

True colors come out now. I see you already prejudge all cops. Nice. No winning this argument with you. He was in the wrong as soon as he put the uniform on.

Gimme a ####### break Shiek. You made a flippant post and got a flippant response.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

Suspect: No, I won't put my hands behind my back #######.... Go #### yourself

Clifford: Pretty please

Make fun of me all you want. You are the one applauding traumatizing a six year old girl.

Pretty sure her mother put her in that position a lot more than the cop, mmmmkay?

Doesn't change the fact that you loved seeing this woman knocked out so much you decided to share your glee at the incident by creating a thread just for this.

As I mentioned earlier, a high voltage taser would've made me happier, but this will suffice.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS OK TO DRIVE DRUNK WITH YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR

 

[TheIronSheik]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

I'm not into bullying people. Pass.

True colors come out now. I see you already prejudge all cops. Nice. No winning this argument with you. He was in the wrong as soon as he put the uniform on.

Gimme a ####### break Shiek. You made a flippant post and got a flippant response.

You're the one who posted that, not me. Maybe you were just posting that to punish me? Who knows. Sorry. I just like to hold FFA posters to a higher standard, ya know?

 

[Scoresman]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS OK TO DRIVE DRUNK WITH YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR

that was so last page, man.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS OK TO DRIVE DRUNK WITH YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR

Finally! Thank you, voice of reason.

 

[Hang 10]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

In the beginning. The video comes in the middle. So somehow this cop managed to overcome this tiny woman jerking her arm and still got both hands behind her back.

That doesnt mean its easy to get cuffs on someone struggling to get their hands free. You only have two hands. If you need to use them both just to keep the persons hands behind their back, then what are you supposed to use to get the cuffs on? Your feet?

There are ways to grab someones arm where they wouldn't be so likely to resist. I believe cops are taught these techniques.

 

[Clifford]

Again, he is twice her size and has both hands behind her back. If he can't get the cuffs on from that position he is not very good at his job.

Someone asked me to be real. So let's be real: does anyone actually think the cop didn't throw her to the ground because he was angry?

He was probably angry because she wasn't "adhering to certain standards, was a terrible mother, possibly a criminal, stupid, irresponsible and possibly belligerent".

To think that cops will never, ever, ever show any emotion in their jobs is naive. And I'm not sure he was showing any emotion, but rather just doing his job with a unruly, drunk individual.

I don't expect that. I expect cops to prevent their emotions from causing them to engage in needless violence.

 

[timschochet]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS OK TO DRIVE DRUNK WITH YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR

its only one. That seems reasonable. When I drive drunk I only take one kid with me and leave the other at home. Lowers the risk factor.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

if this was necessary/reasonable so be it, still no reason to applaud him.

we should be applauding cops who find ways to handle situations without violence, accepting those who use an acceptable level of force when the conditions call for it, and condemning those who go too far.

There's really nothing to applaud in this situation, there's a little girl whose mom appears to be a drunk, who had to witness her mom getting knocked out. Even if that was all unavoidable by the cop if anything in this video makes you happy you need to recalibrate something.

In the end we have a traumatized girl being raised by an irresponsible drunk (assuming she is not taken away and possibly put into a foster system). Hooray!!! Standing O!!!!!!

 

[matttyl]

I applaud the cop for stepping in and stopping the woman. I find slinging her to the ground to be unnecessary, overly-violent, possibly illegal. I don't see why that arrest could not have happened without that incident.

You should become a cop. You seem to have it all worked out.

Suspect: No, I won't put my hands behind my back #######.... Go #### yourself

Clifford: Pretty please

Make fun of me all you want. You are the one applauding traumatizing a six year old girl.

I think the mother already had that covered.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

In the beginning. The video comes in the middle. So somehow this cop managed to overcome this tiny woman jerking her arm and still got both hands behind her back.

That doesnt mean its easy to get cuffs on someone struggling to get their hands free. You only have two hands. If you need to use them both just to keep the persons hands behind their back, then what are you supposed to use to get the cuffs on? Your feet?

There are ways to grab someones arm where they wouldn't be so likely to resist. I believe cops are taught these techniques.

So now you're blaming the cop for her resisting?

 

[fantasycurse42]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS OK TO DRIVE DRUNK WITH YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR

I never said this.

 

[igbomb]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS OK TO DRIVE DRUNK WITH YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR

its only one. That seems reasonable. When I drive drunk I only take one kid with me and leave the other at home. Lowers the risk factor.

Maybe the kid was with her just in case she got REALLY drunk and needed a driver. I applaud the well-considered backup plan.

 

[Clifford]

FC, Shiek, was the cop angry when he did this? Your best guess.

 

[timschochet]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS OK TO DRIVE DRUNK WITH YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR

its only one. That seems reasonable. When I drive drunk I only take one kid with me and leave the other at home. Lowers the risk factor.

Maybe the kid was with her just in case she got REALLY drunk and needed a driver. I applaud the well-considered backup plan.

fair point.

 

[TheIronSheik]

FC, Shiek, was the cop angry when he did this? Your best guess.

No clue. Why should I assume he was or was not?

 

[Hang 10]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

In the beginning. The video comes in the middle. So somehow this cop managed to overcome this tiny woman jerking her arm and still got both hands behind her back.

That doesnt mean its easy to get cuffs on someone struggling to get their hands free. You only have two hands. If you need to use them both just to keep the persons hands behind their back, then what are you supposed to use to get the cuffs on? Your feet?

There are ways to grab someones arm where they wouldn't be so likely to resist. I believe cops are taught these techniques.

So now you're blaming the cop for her resisting?

It's possible.

 

[fantasycurse42]

FC, Shiek, was the cop angry when he did this? Your best guess.

No, I think he is a sexual deviant and needs to do this #### to get off when he gets home.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

 

[Hang 10]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

If she was parking illegally with a kid in the car. Definitely.

 

[Clifford]

FC, Shiek, was the cop angry when he did this? Your best guess.

No clue. Why should I assume he was or was not?

You can't make a guess? Grow a pair. Angry or calm. Place your bet.

 

[Clifford]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

Good question.

 

[Uwe Blab]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

In the beginning. The video comes in the middle. So somehow this cop managed to overcome this tiny woman jerking her arm and still got both hands behind her back.

Lame-stream media isn't showing right after this that he tea-bagged her.

 

[TheIronSheik]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

And what if the cop had just eaten at Subway? Also, what if the woman was actually a ISIS terrorist, but the cop was unaware?

Each situation is different. Not sure what you're point is?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

And what if the cop had just eaten at Subway? Also, what if the woman was actually a ISIS terrorist, but the cop was unaware?

Each situation is different. Not sure what you're point is?

Come on, guy.

 

[Scoresman]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

I'm not for applauding anyone in this situation, but the fact that she was drunk is just as irrelevant as whether or not the cop was angry. If she was in fact resisting arrest, then the cop did nothing wrong in getting her to the ground to try and detain her.

 

[matttyl]

Again, he is twice her size and has both hands behind her back. If he can't get the cuffs on from that position he is not very good at his job.

Someone asked me to be real. So let's be real: does anyone actually think the cop didn't throw her to the ground because he was angry?

He was probably angry because she wasn't "adhering to certain standards, was a terrible mother, possibly a criminal, stupid, irresponsible and possibly belligerent".

To think that cops will never, ever, ever show any emotion in their jobs is naive. And I'm not sure he was showing any emotion, but rather just doing his job with a unruly, drunk individual.

I don't expect that. I expect cops to prevent their emotions from causing them to engage in needless violence.

You don't expect much, do you?

If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down...sorry, had the Gin Blossoms song in my head just now.

 

[matttyl]

I assume everyone is capable of reading, maybe hard of seeing, so I will enlarge... This is the quote from a woman who saw her before cops arrived and during the arrest:

According to Jack White and Clifford though, this woman should prob be discounted bc she prob has a pro-police bias.

She was a little loud, and disruptive," another customer, Rebecca Tomlinson, told the TV station. "She said she was very tired, really tired and they said, 'Maybe you should go home and get some sleep,' and then she turned around and stumbled out."

Keither then got in her car, the little girl in tow, before cops cornered her inside the shopping center’s parking lot.

"I seen her resisting and, in the beginning she was jerking her arm from him," Tomlinson told the ABC affiliate.

Oh wait, she jerked her arm? I take it all back then. He should have hit a couple more times to make sure he knocked the fight out of her.

In the beginning. The video comes in the middle. So somehow this cop managed to overcome this tiny woman jerking her arm and still got both hands behind her back.

That doesnt mean its easy to get cuffs on someone struggling to get their hands free. You only have two hands. If you need to use them both just to keep the persons hands behind their back, then what are you supposed to use to get the cuffs on? Your feet?

There are ways to grab someones arm where they wouldn't be so likely to resist. I believe cops are taught these techniques.

So now you're blaming the cop for her resisting?

You know, blame the victim.

 

[TheIronSheik]

FC, Shiek, was the cop angry when he did this? Your best guess.

No clue. Why should I assume he was or was not?

You can't make a guess? Grow a pair. Angry or calm. Place your bet.

Grow a pair? My point is that by making assumptions, you're already picking a side. The second you counted on him doing it out of anger, you've made an assumption that is nothing more than a guess. Yet you've allowed that assumption to sway your view on what happened.

 

[Clifford]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

And what if the cop had just eaten at Subway? Also, what if the woman was actually a ISIS terrorist, but the cop was unaware?

Each situation is different. Not sure what you're point is?

Just answer the question Claire...

 

[timschochet]

How about this:

Let's say the woman was stone sober. No kid in the car. Cop pulls her over for rolling through a stop sign. He runs her info and it comes back that she has a warrant out for something goofy like unpaid parking tickets.

When he goes to cuff her it goes down just like it does in the video.

Are we still applauding the cop?

How about if she's a teenage girl, sober, not driving but walking, doesn't cross a red light, has no record, and the cop runs her down with his car and is caught on film laughing hysterically. Are we still applauding the cop?