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Apple (AAPL) : Tim Cook announces iForum. Dodds and Bryant prepare shut down operations (1 Viewer)

To me the massive runway for Apple is tablets. I-Pads are the future. They have not even begun to blow up worldwide and the growth is massive in this area. The Mini has been a huge win and a great hit so far IMO.Also wearable computers.....I think Apple will again be the cutting edge of cool in this area. Soon phones will be just that. A phone again.Again I would have a hard time betting against Apple and their ability to innovate and execute. They are tremendous in this area and why they have seen an amazing growth trajectory.Strong buy and Wednesday should again justify how great of a company Apple is long term. It has become a value stock over the last few months.Competition is good for Apple long term. I look at them as the luxury brand of tech. I do not see them straying from this too much. The quality of their devices IMO are unmatched. I know when i buy anything from Apple it is built to last.

 
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To me the massive runway for Apple is tablets. I-Pads are the future. They have not even begun to blow up worldwide and the growth is massive in this area. The Mini has been a huge win and a great hit so far IMO.

Also wearable computers.....I think Apple will again be the cutting edge of cool in this area. Soon phones will be just that. A phone again.

Again I would have a hard time betting against Apple and their ability to innovate and execute. They are tremendous in this area and why they have seen an amazing growth trajectory.

Strong buy and Wednesday should again justify how great of a company Apple is long term. It has become a value stock over the last few months.

Competition is good for Apple long term.

I look at them as the luxury brand of tech. I do not see them straying from this too much. The quality of their devices IMO are unmatched. I know when i buy anything from Apple it is built to last.
I guess you never owned any iPods?
 
To me the massive runway for Apple is tablets. I-Pads are the future. They have not even begun to blow up worldwide and the growth is massive in this area. The Mini has been a huge win and a great hit so far IMO.

Also wearable computers.....I think Apple will again be the cutting edge of cool in this area. Soon phones will be just that. A phone again.

Again I would have a hard time betting against Apple and their ability to innovate and execute. They are tremendous in this area and why they have seen an amazing growth trajectory.

Strong buy and Wednesday should again justify how great of a company Apple is long term. It has become a value stock over the last few months.

Competition is good for Apple long term.

I look at them as the luxury brand of tech. I do not see them straying from this too much. The quality of their devices IMO are unmatched. I know when i buy anything from Apple it is built to last.
I guess you never owned any iPods?
Never had an issue with them.
 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.
For me its not the hardware that needs the upgrading , its the software. iOS needs a major revamp . As far as the camera goes I see no problems at all. Crazy talk
 
To me the massive runway for Apple is tablets. I-Pads are the future. They have not even begun to blow up worldwide and the growth is massive in this area. The Mini has been a huge win and a great hit so far IMO.

Also wearable computers.....I think Apple will again be the cutting edge of cool in this area. Soon phones will be just that. A phone again.

Again I would have a hard time betting against Apple and their ability to innovate and execute. They are tremendous in this area and why they have seen an amazing growth trajectory.

Strong buy and Wednesday should again justify how great of a company Apple is long term. It has become a value stock over the last few months.

Competition is good for Apple long term.

I look at them as the luxury brand of tech. I do not see them straying from this too much. The quality of their devices IMO are unmatched. I know when i buy anything from Apple it is built to last.
For real.I guess you never owned any iPods?
 
To me the massive runway for Apple is tablets. I-Pads are the future. They have not even begun to blow up worldwide and the growth is massive in this area. The Mini has been a huge win and a great hit so far IMO.

Also wearable computers.....I think Apple will again be the cutting edge of cool in this area. Soon phones will be just that. A phone again.

Again I would have a hard time betting against Apple and their ability to innovate and execute. They are tremendous in this area and why they have seen an amazing growth trajectory.

Strong buy and Wednesday should again justify how great of a company Apple is long term. It has become a value stock over the last few months.

Competition is good for Apple long term.

I look at them as the luxury brand of tech. I do not see them straying from this too much. The quality of their devices IMO are unmatched. I know when i buy anything from Apple it is built to last.
For real.I guess you never owned any iPods?
:lmao: Seriously. My son jumped into a pool with one in his pocket. I wasn't sure if the warranty covered it (it did) so I dropped it waist high on the ground and the thing shattered. Gorilla Glass is where it is at. Corning still hasn't seen the take off I was expecting.As for the camera, yes, I want a major camera. Too many times with my Android I take a pic and want to crop it or something and it just doesn't hold up. Give me 24MP or something.

 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
And your arrogance is acting like most participants in the stock market don't know everything you just said in this last paragraph and are selling down AAPL out of sheer ignorance of all the glory and splendor that is Apple.
Most participants in the stock market don't make big returns. The ones who make big returns are the ones who see value that other participants haven't yet caught on to, or have bypassed.
 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
And your arrogance is acting like most participants in the stock market don't know everything you just said in this last paragraph and are selling down AAPL out of sheer ignorance of all the glory and splendor that is Apple.
Most participants in the stock market don't make big returns. The ones who make big returns are the ones who see value that other participants haven't yet caught on to, or have bypassed.
:thumbup: Good to know you still have your grade 10 finance class notes handy.
 
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The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
And your arrogance is acting like most participants in the stock market don't know everything you just said in this last paragraph and are selling down AAPL out of sheer ignorance of all the glory and splendor that is Apple.
Most participants in the stock market don't make big returns. The ones who make big returns are the ones who see value that other participants haven't yet caught on to, or have bypassed.
:thumbup: Good to know you still have your grade 10 finance class notes handy.
Actually, I learned it in kindergarten. Which may be why I have two houses and two Lexi, all completely paid for.
 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
Ouch. :own3d: I agree, it's amusing to watch the anti-apple crowd reschedule the iFuneral every year.

 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
Ouch. :own3d: I agree, it's amusing to watch the anti-apple crowd reschedule the iFuneral every year.
How am I anti-Apple when I have an iPhone, iPad, iPod and MacBook Pro? What I say comes from the disappointment that Apple has refused to create a phone that can do things other phones can do. As an iPhone user, I am seriously debating on getting rid of it do to other capabilities from other phones. Sorry Goon, and maybe you, continue to drink the Apple Juice instead of demanding improvement.
 
I've been a pretty big apple honk for a long time but I don't think they're doing very much on the innovation front. They're coasting. They will continue to make money off their name and reputation for a while, but it's not a good long term plan.

 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
Ouch. :own3d: I agree, it's amusing to watch the anti-apple crowd reschedule the iFuneral every year.
How am I anti-Apple when I have an iPhone, iPad, iPod and MacBook Pro? What I say comes from the disappointment that Apple has refused to create a phone that can do things other phones can do. As an iPhone user, I am seriously debating on getting rid of it do to other capabilities from other phones. Sorry Goon, and maybe you, continue to drink the Apple Juice instead of demanding improvement.
Ouch. :own3d:
 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
Ouch. :own3d: I agree, it's amusing to watch the anti-apple crowd reschedule the iFuneral every year.
How am I anti-Apple when I have an iPhone, iPad, iPod and MacBook Pro? What I say comes from the disappointment that Apple has refused to create a phone that can do things other phones can do. As an iPhone user, I am seriously debating on getting rid of it do to other capabilities from other phones. Sorry Goon, and maybe you, continue to drink the Apple Juice instead of demanding improvement.
You were owned by Goons, but I never called you anti-Apple. The second paragraph was a separate thought.
 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
Ouch. :own3d: I agree, it's amusing to watch the anti-apple crowd reschedule the iFuneral every year.
How am I anti-Apple when I have an iPhone, iPad, iPod and MacBook Pro? What I say comes from the disappointment that Apple has refused to create a phone that can do things other phones can do. As an iPhone user, I am seriously debating on getting rid of it do to other capabilities from other phones. Sorry Goon, and maybe you, continue to drink the Apple Juice instead of demanding improvement.
You were owned by Goons, but I never called you anti-Apple. The second paragraph was a separate thought.
I really wasn't. Sales today do not predict growth later. As contracts are up, people similar to me, see alternatives out there that are simply better. Between the Galaxy and Note, Samsung is doing what Apple did five years ago with the initial iPhone. Apple needs to change things up a little.
 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
Ouch. :own3d: I agree, it's amusing to watch the anti-apple crowd reschedule the iFuneral every year.
How am I anti-Apple when I have an iPhone, iPad, iPod and MacBook Pro? What I say comes from the disappointment that Apple has refused to create a phone that can do things other phones can do. As an iPhone user, I am seriously debating on getting rid of it do to other capabilities from other phones. Sorry Goon, and maybe you, continue to drink the Apple Juice instead of demanding improvement.
You were owned by Goons, but I never called you anti-Apple. The second paragraph was a separate thought.
I really wasn't. Sales today do not predict growth later. As contracts are up, people similar to me, see alternatives out there that are simply better. Between the Galaxy and Note, Samsung is doing what Apple did five years ago with the initial iPhone. Apple needs to change things up a little.
Just stop. All Samsung is doing is throwing one of every possible phone combination against the wall and seeing what sticks. It has been successful for them compared to other handset OEMs, but it's ridiculous to compare them to Apple's launching the iPhone.
 
The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.
:loco: "If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail." :lmao:
People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.
The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions. :hophead:
Ouch. :own3d: I agree, it's amusing to watch the anti-apple crowd reschedule the iFuneral every year.
How am I anti-Apple when I have an iPhone, iPad, iPod and MacBook Pro? What I say comes from the disappointment that Apple has refused to create a phone that can do things other phones can do. As an iPhone user, I am seriously debating on getting rid of it do to other capabilities from other phones. Sorry Goon, and maybe you, continue to drink the Apple Juice instead of demanding improvement.
Because any time anyone says anything remotely negative...or in this case realistic, you're anti-Apple...duh!!!!!! I've had shares in this company for the better part of 15 years and still get labeled a "hater" because I dare question their direction. That's the way it goes with the honks around here. It should also be noted that pointing out weaknesses and potential problems = "predicting the iFuneral" or "x-Killer" to the honks as well. My wife doesn't possess this much drama :lol:
 
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Because any time anyone says anything remotely negative...or in this case realistic, you're anti-Apple...duh!!!!!! I've had shares in this company for the better part of 15 years and still get labeled a "hater" because I dare question their direction. That's the way it goes with the honks around here. It should also be noted that pointing out weaknesses and potential problems = "predicting the iFuneral" or "x-Killer" to the honks as well. My wife doesn't possess this much drama :lol:
TRUTHI hope this has legs.http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/20/apple-rumored-to-debut-4-8-inch-iphone-math-in-june/
 
I still think one of Jobs' greatest fears with the ipad is that it would take over their notebook segment to some extent. It is a tricky tightrope to walk and they need some leadership in that regards. An OSx convertible tablet is needed, but certainly flammable w.r.t. the upstream products. And spamming a billion models is not the right approach. The Iphone+ or whatever the rumor is seems quite unlikely to me as a split release. You still have to get over the Simplo problem one way or the other though. That's the biggest hurdle short term.

 
Do people really want/need a better camera than is already on the iphone? We take pictures of our kids and random moments that are funny. It's not like we are trying to be professional photographers with our phones/ :shrug:
Yes. The Nokia 808 has a better camera and the iPhone 5 is still needs improvement. Why no get a better quality photo of those random moments?
 
Because any time anyone says anything remotely negative...or in this case realistic, you're anti-Apple...duh!!!!!! I've had shares in this company for the better part of 15 years and still get labeled a "hater" because I dare question their direction. That's the way it goes with the honks around here. It should also be noted that pointing out weaknesses and potential problems = "predicting the iFuneral" or "x-Killer" to the honks as well. My wife doesn't possess this much drama :lol:
TRUTHI hope this has legs.http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/20/apple-rumored-to-debut-4-8-inch-iphone-math-in-june/
Can't wait to see all the fanboys who said larger screens were dumb do an about face and defend this.
 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
 
'zDragon said:
Do people really want/need a better camera than is already on the iphone? We take pictures of our kids and random moments that are funny. It's not like we are trying to be professional photographers with our phones/ :shrug:
Yes. The Nokia 808 has a better camera and the iPhone 5 is still needs improvement. Why no get a better quality photo of those random moments?
Not every phone can have the best of everything.My iphone 4 takes fine enough pictures, IMO. If I want a high quality photo, I am going to use a camera, not a phone.
 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-apple-dominate-smartphone-sales-in-q4-2012-nokia-and-rim-aim-to-catch-up-analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.

 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-apple-dominate-smartphone-sales-in-q4-2012-nokia-and-rim-aim-to-catch-up-analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.
Of course Android global market share is still growing; low end freebie phones pad the stats and are an area where Apple chooses to not compete. I've never argued otherwise. :shrug:
 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

"In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv....analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.
Of course Android global market share is still growing; low end freebie phones pad the stats and are an area where Apple chooses to not compete. I've never argued otherwise. :shrug:
What are you attributing the stock price bombing to then?
 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-apple-dominate-smartphone-sales-in-q4-2012-nokia-and-rim-aim-to-catch-up-analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.
Of course Android global market share is still growing; low end freebie phones pad the stats and are an area where Apple chooses to not compete. I've never argued otherwise. :shrug:
Here's a good read on how Samsung has been spanking that ### lately http://beta.fool.com/aakanksha19/2013/01/22/smartphone-war-apple-vs-samsung/21836/ also takes you through a small timeline that shows how dominant the iPhone WAS at one time. Low end iPhones are free too, the iPhone 4 is free on most carriers and the 4s is only $99

Regardless of our back and forth, even you as Apple's most staunch supporter has to see that they need to make some serious changes to catch up technology wise to the rest of the market if they want to maintain the large share they have now. They'll ALWAYS have a share, but it continues to slip (especially worldwide). They will always show small boosts right around a release.

 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
Were facts being facts in Q3 too? Or were those only "facts"?
 
Unlike Lhucks, ihucks is unlikely to get himself banned spouting his ill-informed or downright fabricated "facts".

 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-apple-dominate-smartphone-sales-in-q4-2012-nokia-and-rim-aim-to-catch-up-analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.
Of course Android global market share is still growing; low end freebie phones pad the stats and are an area where Apple chooses to not compete. I've never argued otherwise. :shrug:
Here's a good read on how Samsung has been spanking that ### lately http://beta.fool.com/aakanksha19/2013/01/22/smartphone-war-apple-vs-samsung/21836/ also takes you through a small timeline that shows how dominant the iPhone WAS at one time. Low end iPhones are free too, the iPhone 4 is free on most carriers and the 4s is only $99

Regardless of our back and forth, even you as Apple's most staunch supporter has to see that they need to make some serious changes to catch up technology wise to the rest of the market if they want to maintain the large share they have now. They'll ALWAYS have a share, but it continues to slip (especially worldwide). They will always show small boosts right around a release.
Yes, in the U.S., which is why Apple is actually leading Android here. Worldwide, where the carriers don't subsidize the cost of the handset for a contract, the 4 & 4S are not free.
 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-apple-dominate-smartphone-sales-in-q4-2012-nokia-and-rim-aim-to-catch-up-analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.
Of course Android global market share is still growing; low end freebie phones pad the stats and are an area where Apple chooses to not compete. I've never argued otherwise. :shrug:
Here's a good read on how Samsung has been spanking that ### lately http://beta.fool.com/aakanksha19/2013/01/22/smartphone-war-apple-vs-samsung/21836/ also takes you through a small timeline that shows how dominant the iPhone WAS at one time. Low end iPhones are free too, the iPhone 4 is free on most carriers and the 4s is only $99

Regardless of our back and forth, even you as Apple's most staunch supporter has to see that they need to make some serious changes to catch up technology wise to the rest of the market if they want to maintain the large share they have now. They'll ALWAYS have a share, but it continues to slip (especially worldwide). They will always show small boosts right around a release.
Yes, in the U.S., which is why Apple is actually leading Android here. Worldwide, where the carriers don't subsidize the cost of the handset for a contract, the 4 & 4S are not free.
I can't remember the last time Apple has lead in the US, it's been a while. http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/1/comScore_Reports_November_2012_U.S._Mobile_Subscriber_Market_Share

. Google Android continued to lead among smartphone platforms, accounting for 53.7 percent of smartphone subscribers, while Apple secured 35 percent.
 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-apple-dominate-smartphone-sales-in-q4-2012-nokia-and-rim-aim-to-catch-up-analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.
Of course Android global market share is still growing; low end freebie phones pad the stats and are an area where Apple chooses to not compete. I've never argued otherwise. :shrug:
Here's a good read on how Samsung has been spanking that ### lately http://beta.fool.com/aakanksha19/2013/01/22/smartphone-war-apple-vs-samsung/21836/ also takes you through a small timeline that shows how dominant the iPhone WAS at one time. Low end iPhones are free too, the iPhone 4 is free on most carriers and the 4s is only $99

Regardless of our back and forth, even you as Apple's most staunch supporter has to see that they need to make some serious changes to catch up technology wise to the rest of the market if they want to maintain the large share they have now. They'll ALWAYS have a share, but it continues to slip (especially worldwide). They will always show small boosts right around a release.
Yes, in the U.S., which is why Apple is actually leading Android here. Worldwide, where the carriers don't subsidize the cost of the handset for a contract, the 4 & 4S are not free.
I can't remember the last time Apple has lead in the US, it's been a while. http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/1/comScore_Reports_November_2012_U.S._Mobile_Subscriber_Market_Share

. Google Android continued to lead among smartphone platforms, accounting for 53.7 percent of smartphone subscribers, while Apple secured 35 percent.
Yes, I meant Apple has been leading in US sales since the release of iPhone 5 when they finally began to compete at all price tiers (free, $99, $199+). I didn't mean overall established market share - I have never claimed Apple leads in that.
 
FACTS ARE FACTS.

Apple's iPhone grabs almost two-thirds of Verizon's 9.8M smartphone sales in Q4

By Kevin Bostic

Apple's iPhone accounted for 6.2 million of the 9.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the last quarter, powering record smartphone adoption numbers at the nation's largest carrier even as Verizon posted a big loss for the quarter.

The iPhone across all of its models sold nearly double the number of Android-based smartphones sold in the past quarter. Verizon's Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo revealed that approximately half of the iPhones Verizon sold in Q4 were 4G LTE, meaning that they were iPhone 5 units.
Apple's iOS retains top spot in US with over 51% share of smartphone OS sales for Q4 2012

By Mikey Campbell

Accounting for over a 51% share of all smartphone OS sales in the U.S., Apple's iOS continues to be the market leader as existing customers move away from rival platforms like Android and RIM, or upgrade older iPhones to new models.

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech on Tuesday, iOS accounted for 51.2 percent of all U.S. smartphone OS sales for the 12-week period ending on Dec. 23, 2012, up over 7 percent from 44.9 percent in 2011. The market research group conducts more than 250,000 interviews per year in the U.S. to track mobile phone purchasing behavior, associated bills and other metrics.

Apple's increased performance appears to be somewhat at the cost of Android as Google's mobile OS marketshare declined from 44.8 percent in quarter four 2011 to 44.2 percent over the same period in 2012. The biggest contraction in marketshare was felt by beleaguered BlackBerry maker RIM, which suffered a drop from 6.1 percent of smartphone sales in the last quarter of 2011 to 1.1 percent during the same period in 2012.

"In particular, 36% of iOS sales were derived from other smartphone users over the last year," said Kantar Worldpanel ComTech analyst Mary-Ann Parlato. "While this figure remains stable over time, the proportion of Android users moving towards the Apple brand increases. 19% of iOS sales over the last year were derived from Android users, compared to 9% in 2011."
LOL, so misleading.http://gadgets.ndtv....analysts-320371

Android continues to grow it's marketshare, Apple should stop trying to focus on that battle, they've lost it...they should concentrate on fending off Windows phone, which is excellent and should chip away at both Android and Apple market share.
Of course Android global market share is still growing; low end freebie phones pad the stats and are an area where Apple chooses to not compete. I've never argued otherwise. :shrug:
What are you attributing the stock price bombing to then?
Market manipulation by institutional money managers. I covered that earlier. :yes:
 
Yes, I meant Apple has been leading in US sales since the release of iPhone 5 when they finally began to compete at all price tiers (free, $99, $199+). I didn't mean overall established market share - I have never claimed Apple leads in that.
Well the comscore I linked was the one that ended in Nov 2012 and Google was still pulling away (though it does show them making a slight advance towards Samsung's lead in OEMs). Maybe Apple put in some serious work in December and not many Androids sold. We'll see when the next comScore comes out.
 
It's interesting to me how Apple's success and growth is attributed to Apple and their decline in success is attributed to outside factors, but it's never vice-versa. The only question remaining is how long does one have to stretch before doing such mental gymnastics?

 
You mean to tell me that Apple cannot or will not bring out their "Math" or 4.8" screen until 2014? Can't speed up this model because if they bring out a simple 5s this time around... who is going to buy it? Apple makes their money from the App Store but even that dries up when other OS App Stores offer similar Apps.I currently have a iPhone 4, am happy with it, no need to upgrade to the 5 because it is not a significant jump. Some of the phones out now are going to be upgraded in the next year as well and may have much better specs. The first crop of Windows phones look pretty nice too. Get with the program Apple cause the groupies can only hold it afloat for so long. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Interestingly, Apple’s (AAPL) share in the UK slipped to 32.4% in December from 36.1% in November. The massive popularity of Samsung (005930) models in the British market was undoubtedly the main reason; Android’s share hit 54.4% in the UK.This is the latest sign that Apple’s market share problems outside the U.S. market are not limited to emerging markets and Southern Europe. The UK has traditionally been the second most loyal market to the Apple brand, right after the United States. According to Kantar, Apple slipped 2.1 percentage points in America between November and December, ending up with 51.2% share of the smartphone market.
 
'Mario Kart said:
You mean to tell me that Apple cannot or will not bring out their "Math" or 4.8" screen until 2014? Can't speed up this model because if they bring out a simple 5s this time around... who is going to buy it? Apple makes their money from the App Store but even that dries up when other OS App Stores offer similar Apps.

I currently have a iPhone 4, am happy with it, no need to upgrade to the 5 because it is not a significant jump. Some of the phones out now are going to be upgraded in the next year as well and may have much better specs. The first crop of Windows phones look pretty nice too.

Get with the program Apple cause the groupies can only hold it afloat for so long. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Interestingly, Apple’s (AAPL) share in the UK slipped to 32.4% in December from 36.1% in November. The massive popularity of Samsung (005930) models in the British market was undoubtedly the main reason; Android’s share hit 54.4% in the UK.

This is the latest sign that Apple’s market share problems outside the U.S. market are not limited to emerging markets and Southern Europe. The UK has traditionally been the second most loyal market to the Apple brand, right after the United States. According to Kantar, Apple slipped 2.1 percentage points in America between November and December, ending up with 51.2% share of the smartphone market.
:confused: Apple makes it's money off the iPhone, not the App Store. The App store is gravy.
 
'Card Trader said:
'goonsquad said:
Yes, I meant Apple has been leading in US sales since the release of iPhone 5 when they finally began to compete at all price tiers (free, $99, $199+). I didn't mean overall established market share - I have never claimed Apple leads in that.
Well the comscore I linked was the one that ended in Nov 2012 and Google was still pulling away (though it does show them making a slight advance towards Samsung's lead in OEMs). Maybe Apple put in some serious work in December and not many Androids sold. We'll see when the next comScore comes out.
It really isn't surprising that Apple sold a lot of phones in the last quarter - I would think that is mostly pent up demand from people waiting for the updated phone to arrive.I thought some of the rumors about the cheaper iPhone were interesting as well - get rid of some of the glass, metal - I thought those were the things that made the iPhone "premium"? If they do away with that, even on one phone, isn't that basically throwing in the towel on being the premium brand? (I'd argue they are already losing that distinction, but I know many dispute that point, so I won't argue it too hard.)
 
'Card Trader said:
'goonsquad said:
Yes, I meant Apple has been leading in US sales since the release of iPhone 5 when they finally began to compete at all price tiers (free, $99, $199+). I didn't mean overall established market share - I have never claimed Apple leads in that.
Well the comscore I linked was the one that ended in Nov 2012 and Google was still pulling away (though it does show them making a slight advance towards Samsung's lead in OEMs). Maybe Apple put in some serious work in December and not many Androids sold. We'll see when the next comScore comes out.
It really isn't surprising that Apple sold a lot of phones in the last quarter - I would think that is mostly pent up demand from people waiting for the updated phone to arrive.I thought some of the rumors about the cheaper iPhone were interesting as well - get rid of some of the glass, metal - I thought those were the things that made the iPhone "premium"? If they do away with that, even on one phone, isn't that basically throwing in the towel on being the premium brand? (I'd argue they are already losing that distinction, but I know many dispute that point, so I won't argue it too hard.)
I don't think the iPhone is a premium phone or a low cost phone right now, so it will be interesting to see which segment they go after. They really should do both.Eta: we've heard all this stuff about how it is the ecosystem that is important, not the specs. If that is the case, Apple should own either market they'd compete in. Why wouldn't they?
 
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Even with record sales, Apple's earnings report may disappoint
Amid rising concern that the iPhone's dominance is ending, the report is highly anticipated. Analysts expect earnings to drop for the first time in a decadeBy Chris O'Brien, Los Angeles TimesJanuary 22, 2013, 4:40 p.m.If all goes according to plan Wednesday, Apple Inc. will report record revenue. The company will reveal that it sold more iPhones than in any previous quarter. And it will confirm that it hauled in another boatload of cash to swell its overflowing coffers. In other words, Apple's earnings have all the makings of a colossal disaster. That's because no matter how mind-blowing its performance, there is growing concern among investors that Apple's remarkable run of smartphone dominance is coming to an end. Although analysts' estimates for the company are all over the map, there is general agreement that Apple will not grow at nearly the same pace as it has over the last five years.But after months of speculation and countless rumors that have helped drive the company's stock down 28% from its September peak, there is still widespread disagreement about how much that growth will slow and whether investors should be alarmed. With observers desperate to finally hear what Apple executives have to say, the company's earnings report scheduled after the market closes Wednesday has become one of its most pivotal and highly anticipated in years. Ben Reitzes, an analyst at Barclays, sent a recent note about Apple's earnings to clients under the title "Preparing for the Most Important Conference Call in Years." "We believe that investor sentiment is quite negative right now for Apple, with significant concerns around demand trends for the iPhone 5," he wrote. How investors adjust to that reality of slower growth is hard to predict. Will it be interpreted as a sign of weakness? Or just the reality that as a company gets bigger its pace of growth will inevitably slow? First, the numbers. In October, Apple told Wall Street analysts that for its first quarter, which ended in December, investors should expect the company to report $52 billion in revenue and earnings of $11.75 a share. But Apple tends to be notoriously conservative in its own guidance. For the same quarter a year earlier, Apple beat revenue estimates by more than 25% and earnings forecasts by nearly 50%. The surprising quarterly performance sent its stock into the stratosphere over the next nine months, eventually hitting an all-time high of $702.10 in September. Such a huge surprise seems unlikely this time around. The consensus among Wall Street analysts is that Apple will report $54.7 billion in revenue and $13.41 a share in earnings. If the latter figure proves correct, that would represent a decline from the $13.87 a share in earnings that Apple reported for the same quarter last year. Not only would it be the first drop in a decade, but it also could confirm fears that Apple's new mix of products, including the iPad Mini, are hurting the company's historically high profit margins. Making this all the more complicated is a quirk in the calendar. Last year, the same quarter had 14 weeks. This year, it has only 13 weeks. That means once the numbers are released, analysts and investors will have to do some fast calculations to make comparisons that are truly apples to apples. In addition to worries about profit margins, investors have been fretting over rumors that the iPhone 5 has not been selling as well as expected, that rival Samsung Electronics Co. is widening its lead in smartphone sales, and that Apple's product upgrades don't dazzle like they once did. Of course, much of this is conjecture. But it has muddled projections, with analysts predicting that Apple could report earnings from as low as $11.53 a share to as much as $15.50 a share. That kind of uncertainty has made investors even more eager than usual to hear any news about Apple's performance. Even more important than the numbers, however, is what Apple executives say about the future. Since last summer, analysts have been growing more pessimistic about the current fiscal year, which ends in September, lowering their earnings projections to $48.86 a share from $54.87 a share in July. Should Apple lower that outlook further in the conference call Wednesday, it could trigger panic among Apple's investors. "I think the concerns being reflected in the stock today have more to do with the next quarter than this one," said Walter Piecyk, a research analyst at BTIG. To some analysts, the gloom over Apple's prospect is simply absurd. The value of the stock, trading at about 11 times earnings, is low by historical standards. Its price-to-earnings ratio hasn't been this low in more than five years, a period in which it has hovered between 15 and 20 times earnings. And according to research firm Bespoke Investment Group, Apple is currently trading further below the consensus target ($728.36) than any of the other 100 largest stocks in the Standard & Poor's 500 index. Apple on Tuesday closed up $4.77, or 1%, to $504.77‎. In this view, the world's most valuable company is trading at bargain basement prices. "There's nothing wrong with their business," said Colin Gillis, director of research at BGC Financial. "It's just a question of whether growth is going to slow. That had to happen eventually."
 

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