Apple (AAPL) : Tim Cook announces iForum. Dodds and Bryant prepare shut down operations (1 Viewer)

[Todem]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.Nothing not to like about this company.Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

 

[The Commish]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

 

[Todem]

Again I will maintain my price target I posted above.

Options expire this Friday. I found it rather curious with this (old) news coming again today on I-phone 5 blah blah blah.

Set's up nicely for those huge covered call interests sitting out there. Lot's will expire worthless.

Then the earnings and forward guidance come out...and the contrarian play amazingly is to bet it will be really good. POP!!!!!

And more covered calls start selling at huge premiums.

This company has so much runway left. Long term it is a cheap stock.

Can it get cheaper? Yeah of course. I bought this thing in the low 200's in my portfolio and many of my clients. We have been selling puts and just laughing for about a year and half. And the ride continues.

But for those who missed the boat on Apple....this is a chance to get in cheap for a long term investment. They will increase their dividend year over year and of course eventual split at some point.

They are becoming a growing dividend company with growth as well.

If your trading this thing....reading charts.....I am not your guy.

Fundamentally speaking this stock is a screaming bargain if you believe in Apple the company and brand long term.

It is very in vouge to be an Apple basher. CNBC is loving this. Cramer who pouds the table one day to buy...then turns around and gives another opinion.

This from the guy who highly recommended buying Bear Sterns 3 weeks before they filed for chapter 11

Isn't this the whole debate? Sure, if Apple remains a leader in innovation and new products (not just new models), it's cheap. If it doesn't, and growth slows, it isn't.

Yep that is the the billion dollar question.

Odds are they are going to do great. They have amazing products, great support, and A wonderful closed eco system. I just switched to Apple only 2 years ago....and I can't believe I waited all this time.

So yeah I beleive in this brand long term. It is the Ritz Carlton of Tech. No question.

YOu have those that hate them and will bash their products and that seems to be the cool thing to do now. Hence this sentiment and the stock price getting pounded. But money talks.

That comes next week.

All I am hearing now is a lot of noise.

And hey if the numbers stink.....then I am wrong and I will reevaluate the company and take a long hard look again under the hood.

But I think Apples demise has been greatly...I mean greatly exaggerated.

Good luck everyone.

 

[gmbacm]

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[Todem]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

 

[The Commish]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

This has nothing to do with "what people want". The market is becoming more and more confidence driven. The days of supporting your purchases by stats and trends are coming to an end. The market is becoming the wild wild west. The reason Apple's killed it the past 7-8 years was because of their products, their willingness to share their vision, and a good vision. All those were driven by a guy who's now dead. If he were still alive, we'd have that picture already. We wouldn't have to wait for 24 months to understand the direction.Don't get me wrong. I think the company will be fine, but if history gives us any information, it points to a decline back to reality where Apple becomes one of the companies in the mix rather than Apple being head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap will narrow significantly and the stock price gap will follow. This isn't dumping on Apple. This is saying it's about time for a confidence adjustment.

 

[zDragon]

Apple needs to make a phone with HD capability, a 10mp+ camera along with a much bigger screen similar to the Galaxy III. What might set it apart would be to have something similar to the Note or something of that magnitude. Apple is beginning to stale to many users, including myself. Their computers are great but their iPad and iPhone have since been very innovative. They need to jump back in the front or else they may end up behind Samsung.

When the malware and virus's start rampaging peoples Galaxy phones.....let's see how that shakes out.At least I know with the Apple ecosystem I have a massive firewall against all that PC nonsense.Just a thought.

Lack of interest/benefit of hacking a system isn't what I'd call a "firewall".

2012 PWN2OWN a dutch group created an exploit from scratch. It took them 3 weeks of their private time to accomplish and won them $30,000. Once the exploit was put in place a users address book, photos, videos and browsing history are available from a fully patched iPhone 4S.It used to be that the iPhone was always the first to fall in these contests. The guy that always hit them has admitted it's getting harder and actually did not compete this year due to rule changes.Fact is The Commish is right. Do not mistake a lack of interest/benefit as a sign of a secure system. Apple systems Mac,Iphone,Ipad are hacked every year in order to win the devices or cash prizes. Just like all the other systems.

 

[Slapdash]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

So let's talk about fundamentals. You say that there is plenty of runway left for the company globally. How do you think Apple will reverse its market share decline globally? Will they create a cheaper iPhone and do so without damaging their advantage in margins?

 

[Todem]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

So let's talk about fundamentals. You say that there is plenty of runway left for the company globally. How do you think Apple will reverse its market share decline globally? Will they create a cheaper iPhone and do so without damaging their advantage in margins?

No I don't. There are 3 new US economys being created every 10 years overseas. Apple is a luxery brand in the tech space and I feel will maintain that stance. They will have lower cost versions of high end products but I don't feel they will get "cheap". Their market will continue to expand as other countries and economies mature and expand far more rapidly than the United States.Over the next 20 years you will see 25-30 trillion dollars spent on bulding out what I would dub the "Global Village" and with that will come a entire new mass affluent consumer lining up around the corner to purchase Apples first class tech/TV/Phones, I-Pads, wearable computers....the runway is huge.

People are being extremly short sighted on the massive long term big picture. Confidence may be waining here on the stock in our country.....but over the long term as long as Apple keeps this level of innovation they should succeed and grow.

So the questions being asked today are...can they innovate? Can they keep up this growth trend?

I think the answer in somewhere in the middle so long term.....this stock is cheap. Short term......yeah it can get cheaper before the rise comes again. It needs strong fundamental facts to light the fuse again and regain investor confidence.

It starts next week. And it may not happen. That is being priced into the shares each day.

So for a long term, patient investor who has never owned this company?

Buy and hold as part of a well diversified portfolio.

The dividend growth and a modest 15% annual growth rate alone will pay off over the next decade.

We are talking about a company expected to grow around 25% annually right now with an increasing dividend around the corner and some new innovative products.

I would not bet against Apple.

 

[hxperson]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

So let's talk about fundamentals. You say that there is plenty of runway left for the company globally. How do you think Apple will reverse its market share decline globally? Will they create a cheaper iPhone and do so without damaging their advantage in margins?

No I don't. There are 3 new US economys being created every 10 years overseas. Apple is a luxery brand in the tech space and I feel will maintain that stance. They will have lower cost versions of high end products but I don't feel they will get "cheap". Their market will continue to expand as other countries and economies mature and expand far more rapidly than the United States.Over the next 20 years you will see 25-30 trillion dollars spent on bulding out what I would dub the "Global Village" and with that will come a entire new mass affluent consumer lining up around the corner to purchase Apples first class tech/TV/Phones, I-Pads, wearable computers....the runway is huge.

People are being extremly short sighted on the massive long term big picture. Confidence may be waining here on the stock in our country.....but over the long term as long as Apple keeps this level of innovation they should succeed and grow.

So the questions being asked today are...can they innovate? Can they keep up this growth trend?

I think the answer in somewhere in the middle so long term.....this stock is cheap. Short term......yeah it can get cheaper before the rise comes again. It needs strong fundamental facts to light the fuse again and regain investor confidence.

It starts next week. And it may not happen. That is being priced into the shares each day.

So for a long term, patient investor who has never owned this company?

Buy and hold as part of a well diversified portfolio.

The dividend growth and a modest 15% annual growth rate alone will pay off over the next decade.

We are talking about a company expected to grow around 25% annually right now with an increasing dividend around the corner and some new innovative products.

I would not bet against Apple.

I disagree with the bolded, and as I think that makes too many assumptions about the preferences of fairly different asian cultures. Here are a couple reasons I see, just based on my own perspective.Firstly, UI and aesthetics are subjective qualities and not even close to universal, and I think the differences become more striking when you cross cultures. Take the simple example of the qwerty keyboard and how much of a pain it is to type in chinese with that. Factor in how much easier it is to read chinese words on a bigger screen, and you can see why phones like the Galaxy note are so popular in Asia. (On a side note, both my immediate and extended family are chinese language-first, from affluent hong kong but living in Canada, and there are more Galaxy Notes than iPhone's at the our family gatherings).

Secondly, few people care about the Apple ecosystem over there, and I don't see that changing soon. iTunes was only introduced there this summer (and not to all markets), and while it sounds like it has good music offerings, I hear the movie offerings are insufficient - and it doesn't really matter anyways. The problem is that they completely lack the one thing everybody cares about - the popular Korean, Japanese, and Chinese TV series - and even if they did have it, they wouldn't be able to make money off of it because you can easily find copies of them at the store or on the internet (even youtube) for practically free. On the music front, monthly subscription unlimited mp3 services have been around for almost a decade over there, so it will be tough for Apple to crack that market.

I haven't done enough analysis to make a strong call one way or another on Apple's stock. My tendency would be to be bearish on it just given the substantial negative technical (supply/demand, not chart) that comes with having the world's largest market cap, and the rapid acceleration of their competition. However, Einhorn and several other managers I deeply respect are bullish on the stock and they have done a lot more due dilligence than I have.

 

[culdeus]

People aren't really selling this stock as much as shorting it lately. I wouldn't call this weak seller pressure.

 

[The Commish]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

So let's talk about fundamentals. You say that there is plenty of runway left for the company globally. How do you think Apple will reverse its market share decline globally? Will they create a cheaper iPhone and do so without damaging their advantage in margins?

No I don't. There are 3 new US economys being created every 10 years overseas. Apple is a luxery brand in the tech space and I feel will maintain that stance. They will have lower cost versions of high end products but I don't feel they will get "cheap". Their market will continue to expand as other countries and economies mature and expand far more rapidly than the United States.Over the next 20 years you will see 25-30 trillion dollars spent on bulding out what I would dub the "Global Village" and with that will come a entire new mass affluent consumer lining up around the corner to purchase Apples first class tech/TV/Phones, I-Pads, wearable computers....the runway is huge.

People are being extremly short sighted on the massive long term big picture. Confidence may be waining here on the stock in our country.....but over the long term as long as Apple keeps this level of innovation they should succeed and grow.

So the questions being asked today are...can they innovate? Can they keep up this growth trend?

I think the answer in somewhere in the middle so long term.....this stock is cheap. Short term......yeah it can get cheaper before the rise comes again. It needs strong fundamental facts to light the fuse again and regain investor confidence.

It starts next week. And it may not happen. That is being priced into the shares each day.

So for a long term, patient investor who has never owned this company?

Buy and hold as part of a well diversified portfolio.

The dividend growth and a modest 15% annual growth rate alone will pay off over the next decade.

We are talking about a company expected to grow around 25% annually right now with an increasing dividend around the corner and some new innovative products.

I would not bet against Apple.

What exactly have you used to come to these conclusions? Not saying your wrong other than your comments about the closed ecosystem, but what tangible indicators are you using to predict this future?

 

[Todem]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

So let's talk about fundamentals. You say that there is plenty of runway left for the company globally. How do you think Apple will reverse its market share decline globally? Will they create a cheaper iPhone and do so without damaging their advantage in margins?

No I don't. There are 3 new US economys being created every 10 years overseas. Apple is a luxery brand in the tech space and I feel will maintain that stance. They will have lower cost versions of high end products but I don't feel they will get "cheap". Their market will continue to expand as other countries and economies mature and expand far more rapidly than the United States.Over the next 20 years you will see 25-30 trillion dollars spent on bulding out what I would dub the "Global Village" and with that will come a entire new mass affluent consumer lining up around the corner to purchase Apples first class tech/TV/Phones, I-Pads, wearable computers....the runway is huge.

People are being extremly short sighted on the massive long term big picture. Confidence may be waining here on the stock in our country.....but over the long term as long as Apple keeps this level of innovation they should succeed and grow.

So the questions being asked today are...can they innovate? Can they keep up this growth trend?

I think the answer in somewhere in the middle so long term.....this stock is cheap. Short term......yeah it can get cheaper before the rise comes again. It needs strong fundamental facts to light the fuse again and regain investor confidence.

It starts next week. And it may not happen. That is being priced into the shares each day.

So for a long term, patient investor who has never owned this company?

Buy and hold as part of a well diversified portfolio.

The dividend growth and a modest 15% annual growth rate alone will pay off over the next decade.

We are talking about a company expected to grow around 25% annually right now with an increasing dividend around the corner and some new innovative products.

I would not bet against Apple.

What exactly have you used to come to these conclusions? Not saying your wrong other than your comments about the closed ecosystem, but what tangible indicators are you using to predict this future?

CEO's of the biggest industrial companies in the world are talking about this in their annual reports constantly.CAT

BA

UTX

I can list a few dozen.

Global expansion is where we are headed in a big way. Otherwise why invest in stocks?

US based companies with a global imprint and growing dividends. I attend several due diligence meetings with the biggest money managers in the world like Pimco, Franklin Templeton, Lord Abbett, MFS, Blackrock etc.

I have to inspect what I expect and put my clients in and get to pick the brains of these companies stock managers, bond managers, and economists, equity strategists. I get a massive amount of information, opions, statiscal data, industry trends then formulate my own conclusions as well. taking all this data I research individual companies as well and look at bottom up value investing. I am not a technical stock picker. Head and shoulders all that chart talk.....not me. I am a pure old school value fundamental investor.

These are all major projections going out for a decade based on global expansion and emerging markets. have seen and heard a consistent consensus regarding this over the next 10-15 years and what will drive the next bull market and next economic expansion.

Take it for what its worth.

Area's I love are:

Industrials

Materials

Tech

Energy

Chemicals

Agriculture

Utilities

 

[Warrior]

Great stuff, Todem. ETA:

 

[Todem]

Thanks Warrior. Just trying to inform and help my fellow FFA peeps.

GE reported this morning.

The theme is clear.

General Electric Co.'s net income rose 8 percent in the fourth quarter as earnings at all of the conglomerate's industrial segments improved due to growth in developing economies.

GE, based in Fairfield, Conn., reported net income of $4 billion Friday on revenue of $39.3 billion for the quarter. Last year during the same period the company earned $3.7 billion on sales of $38 billion. Per share earnings rose to 38 cents from 35 cents last year.

The company's operating profit per share was 44 cents, a penny higher than analysts polled by FactSet expected. GE's revenue also beat analysts' expectations of $38.8 billion.

GE shares rose 3.4 percent in pre-market trading to $22.03.

In a statement, CEO Jeff Immelt said the outlook for developed markets remained uncertain, but China and other emerging markets, along with regions that are exploiting natural resources, are growing.

 

[hxperson]

The China story is pretty well understood amongst the investment community but it is far more nuanced than what you are making it out to be, particularly as it relates to consumer goods. How many times have you been to China, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, or even Malaysia? I highly suggest you go to those places (or go again, if you've gone before) and observe their attitudes towards smartphones, luxury goods, digital media consumption/distribution, and the Apple brand before making the assumptions that you do about Apple's growth in the region.

 

[The Commish]

500 has been breached. So now what?

Stay long.If your patient. You will be rewarded over the long haul.

This stock has 25-30% upside in it's future over the next 12-18 months. Stay the course. The stock is getting pounded by the weak sellers now. If your long term you should not stray and get emotional.

IF your trying to trade this thing....I can not advise on that.

Earnings next week and a full 11 months of some new product roll out, earnings etc etc etc.

Apple is officially a value stock (has been for a year and half already in reality) I am sure the dividend will be increased and over the next 2 years you could see a split.

Nothing not to like about this company.

Again people are getting emotional, bailing out, taking long term profits so many headwinds short term.

A good earnings reprot and solid guidence can launch this stock 60-70 points in a day and give it a nice catalyst. A couple of new products (Apple TV for example) can get people excited again too about the innovation of Apple.

I am long, bullish and patient. If you bought in the mid 500's of mid 600's.....you must be patient and stop worrying day to day. You will drive yourself crazy.

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision? I began to get out slowly soon after Jobs' passing for this very reason. I could afford to since my buy in levels were when the stock was double digits. I've done very well with the company from an investment perspective, but this isn't the same company it was under Jobs and there's nothing to suggest that it is.I'm not talking about the stock from a purely financial standpoint. You can run it through just about any algorithm you want and it will show as perfectly fine for now. I'm not greedy though. I've made good money on them and what I see doesn't give me confidence that in the future it's going to continue. I'll be happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I am based on this company's history.

I don't run algorhtyms. I am a fundamental value investor. Not a techical trader.The company will be unvieling their direction over the course of this year and next.

Again too much noise pollution. People want everything now. We live in a high speed society.

Like you I have made a cool bundle in this stock as well. But there is still again plenty of runway left for this company GLOBALLY.

They will adapt, adjust and move forward. That is a huge "x" factor. Yes Jobs was a visionary and I don't think he would have hand picked Tim Cook if he did not have the utmost confidence that he can continue to cultivate the Apple vision that Jobs did so well. They still have some of the best brains in the biz.

Stocks don't move in one direction. This is a bump in the road and it may last a quarter or two but again emphazize a long term perspective.

Too many are just thinking one month ahead...not years.

So let's talk about fundamentals. You say that there is plenty of runway left for the company globally. How do you think Apple will reverse its market share decline globally? Will they create a cheaper iPhone and do so without damaging their advantage in margins?

No I don't. There are 3 new US economys being created every 10 years overseas. Apple is a luxery brand in the tech space and I feel will maintain that stance. They will have lower cost versions of high end products but I don't feel they will get "cheap". Their market will continue to expand as other countries and economies mature and expand far more rapidly than the United States.Over the next 20 years you will see 25-30 trillion dollars spent on bulding out what I would dub the "Global Village" and with that will come a entire new mass affluent consumer lining up around the corner to purchase Apples first class tech/TV/Phones, I-Pads, wearable computers....the runway is huge.

People are being extremly short sighted on the massive long term big picture. Confidence may be waining here on the stock in our country.....but over the long term as long as Apple keeps this level of innovation they should succeed and grow.

So the questions being asked today are...can they innovate? Can they keep up this growth trend?

I think the answer in somewhere in the middle so long term.....this stock is cheap. Short term......yeah it can get cheaper before the rise comes again. It needs strong fundamental facts to light the fuse again and regain investor confidence.

It starts next week. And it may not happen. That is being priced into the shares each day.

So for a long term, patient investor who has never owned this company?

Buy and hold as part of a well diversified portfolio.

The dividend growth and a modest 15% annual growth rate alone will pay off over the next decade.

We are talking about a company expected to grow around 25% annually right now with an increasing dividend around the corner and some new innovative products.

I would not bet against Apple.

What exactly have you used to come to these conclusions? Not saying your wrong other than your comments about the closed ecosystem, but what tangible indicators are you using to predict this future?

CEO's of the biggest industrial companies in the world are talking about this in their annual reports constantly.CAT

BA

UTX

I can list a few dozen.

Global expansion is where we are headed in a big way. Otherwise why invest in stocks?

US based companies with a global imprint and growing dividends. I attend several due diligence meetings with the biggest money managers in the world like Pimco, Franklin Templeton, Lord Abbett, MFS, Blackrock etc.

I have to inspect what I expect and put my clients in and get to pick the brains of these companies stock managers, bond managers, and economists, equity strategists. I get a massive amount of information, opions, statiscal data, industry trends then formulate my own conclusions as well. taking all this data I research individual companies as well and look at bottom up value investing. I am not a technical stock picker. Head and shoulders all that chart talk.....not me. I am a pure old school value fundamental investor.

These are all major projections going out for a decade based on global expansion and emerging markets. have seen and heard a consistent consensus regarding this over the next 10-15 years and what will drive the next bull market and next economic expansion.

Take it for what its worth.

Area's I love are:

Industrials

Materials

Tech

Energy

Chemicals

Agriculture

Utilities

Sorry...I should have been clearer. I don't dispute the direction of the global market. If companies aren't positioning for that, they're screwed. My question was specifically about APPLE and your comments about them. What do you base your opinion of Apple on?? I ask this question specifically for the reasons hxperson brought up. Whether we like it or not, attitude in these countries will be a primary driver in how successful they are. There's a lot of negativity out there towards Apple...at the corporate level as well as the consumer level. That's going to be a large factor of their success in the "global village" but I don't see that taken into account in any of your comments.

 

[goonsquad]

This has nothing to do with "what people want". The market is becoming more and more confidence driven. The days of supporting your purchases by stats and trends are coming to an end. The market is becoming the wild wild west. The reason Apple's killed it the past 7-8 years was because of their products, their willingness to share their vision, and a good vision. All those were driven by a guy who's now dead. If he were still alive, we'd have that picture already. We wouldn't have to wait for 24 months to understand the direction.

Don't get me wrong. I think the company will be fine, but if history gives us any information, it points to a decline back to reality where Apple becomes one of the companies in the mix rather than Apple being head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap will narrow significantly and the stock price gap will follow. This isn't dumping on Apple. This is saying it's about time for a confidence adjustment.

Huh? ETA:

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision?

I really don't understand this. Steve Job's secrecy was legendary. He didn't show you anything until it was ready. He often and famously say one thing and then go in the exact opposite direction. I can't even fathom how you can say otherwise. If anything, Apple is more transparent now than they were under Jobs.

 

[saintfool]

The China story is pretty well understood amongst the investment community but it is far more nuanced than what you are making it out to be, particularly as it relates to consumer goods.

How many times have you been to China, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, or even Malaysia? I highly suggest you go to those places (or go again, if you've gone before) and observe their attitudes towards smartphones, luxury goods, digital media consumption/distribution, and the Apple brand before making the assumptions that you do about Apple's growth in the region.

condensed version?

 

[The Commish]

This has nothing to do with "what people want". The market is becoming more and more confidence driven. The days of supporting your purchases by stats and trends are coming to an end. The market is becoming the wild wild west. The reason Apple's killed it the past 7-8 years was because of their products, their willingness to share their vision, and a good vision. All those were driven by a guy who's now dead. If he were still alive, we'd have that picture already. We wouldn't have to wait for 24 months to understand the direction.

Don't get me wrong. I think the company will be fine, but if history gives us any information, it points to a decline back to reality where Apple becomes one of the companies in the mix rather than Apple being head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap will narrow significantly and the stock price gap will follow. This isn't dumping on Apple. This is saying it's about time for a confidence adjustment.

Huh? ETA:

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision?

I really don't understand this. Steve Job's secrecy was legendary. He didn't show you anything until it was ready. He often and famously say one thing and then go in the exact opposite direction. I can't even fathom how you can say otherwise. If anything, Apple is more transparent now than they were under Jobs.

He was always "ready" 18 months to 24 months out....what's the problem here?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

 

[Socrates11]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

Don't know whether to , , or

 

[SacramentoBob]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

Looks like a pretty good deal for him. I'd take it.

 

[Fennis]

We live in such a corrupt society it is ridiculous.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

We live in such a corrupt society it is ridiculous.

####### ridiculous.

 

[Todem]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

Looks like a pretty good deal for him. I'd take it.

The beauty of America.Guy had stock options.....exercised them.So what is the problem.

 

[saintfool]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

finally! he can afford to get either this or maybe this? you can take the eco-warrior out of TN but you can't take the TN out of the eco-warrior.

 

[goonsquad]

This has nothing to do with "what people want". The market is becoming more and more confidence driven. The days of supporting your purchases by stats and trends are coming to an end. The market is becoming the wild wild west. The reason Apple's killed it the past 7-8 years was because of their products, their willingness to share their vision, and a good vision. All those were driven by a guy who's now dead. If he were still alive, we'd have that picture already. We wouldn't have to wait for 24 months to understand the direction.

Don't get me wrong. I think the company will be fine, but if history gives us any information, it points to a decline back to reality where Apple becomes one of the companies in the mix rather than Apple being head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap will narrow significantly and the stock price gap will follow. This isn't dumping on Apple. This is saying it's about time for a confidence adjustment.

Huh? ETA:

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision?

I really don't understand this. Steve Job's secrecy was legendary. He didn't show you anything until it was ready. He often and famously say one thing and then go in the exact opposite direction. I can't even fathom how you can say otherwise. If anything, Apple is more transparent now than they were under Jobs.

He was always "ready" 18 months to 24 months out....what's the problem here?

Huh? Steve Jobs never made his plan clear to the public 24 months out. I just don't understand what you think Apple is doing differently now.

 

[The Commish]

This has nothing to do with "what people want". The market is becoming more and more confidence driven. The days of supporting your purchases by stats and trends are coming to an end. The market is becoming the wild wild west. The reason Apple's killed it the past 7-8 years was because of their products, their willingness to share their vision, and a good vision. All those were driven by a guy who's now dead. If he were still alive, we'd have that picture already. We wouldn't have to wait for 24 months to understand the direction.

Don't get me wrong. I think the company will be fine, but if history gives us any information, it points to a decline back to reality where Apple becomes one of the companies in the mix rather than Apple being head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap will narrow significantly and the stock price gap will follow. This isn't dumping on Apple. This is saying it's about time for a confidence adjustment.

Huh? ETA:

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision?

I really don't understand this. Steve Job's secrecy was legendary. He didn't show you anything until it was ready. He often and famously say one thing and then go in the exact opposite direction. I can't even fathom how you can say otherwise. If anything, Apple is more transparent now than they were under Jobs.

He was always "ready" 18 months to 24 months out....what's the problem here?

Huh? Steve Jobs never made his plan clear to the public 24 months out. I just don't understand what you think Apple is doing differently now.

I didn't say he made them clear, but he always had a direction he'd let us in on. I have no idea what their next step is now...not even a general idea. Apple TV? Laptop/Tablet combo? He was always able to let us see where he was going without giving us specifics. The group in charge now has relegated themselves to holding back functionality to make releases "special".

 

[goonsquad]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

And here we are on January 18... just like this guy predicted this back in November, and it explains perfectly why AAPL has been pushed down so far so quickly. The truth is it has very little to do with Apple or their future outlook, it is simple market manipulation to make money managers big profits.

 

[goonsquad]

This has nothing to do with "what people want". The market is becoming more and more confidence driven. The days of supporting your purchases by stats and trends are coming to an end. The market is becoming the wild wild west. The reason Apple's killed it the past 7-8 years was because of their products, their willingness to share their vision, and a good vision. All those were driven by a guy who's now dead. If he were still alive, we'd have that picture already. We wouldn't have to wait for 24 months to understand the direction.

Don't get me wrong. I think the company will be fine, but if history gives us any information, it points to a decline back to reality where Apple becomes one of the companies in the mix rather than Apple being head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap will narrow significantly and the stock price gap will follow. This isn't dumping on Apple. This is saying it's about time for a confidence adjustment.

Huh? ETA:

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision?

I really don't understand this. Steve Job's secrecy was legendary. He didn't show you anything until it was ready. He often and famously say one thing and then go in the exact opposite direction. I can't even fathom how you can say otherwise. If anything, Apple is more transparent now than they were under Jobs.

He was always "ready" 18 months to 24 months out....what's the problem here?

Huh? Steve Jobs never made his plan clear to the public 24 months out. I just don't understand what you think Apple is doing differently now.

I didn't say he made them clear, but he always had a direction he'd let us in on. I have no idea what their next step is now...not even a general idea. Apple TV? Laptop/Tablet combo? He was always able to let us see where he was going without giving us specifics. The group in charge now has relegated themselves to holding back functionality to make releases "special".

Completely disagree. Not only would Jobs not let you see where he was going, he was famous for telling you one thing and then doing the exact opposite. I don't think Apple is doing anything differently, I think you just don't have confidence in the new regime yet.

 

[One]

This has nothing to do with "what people want". The market is becoming more and more confidence driven. The days of supporting your purchases by stats and trends are coming to an end. The market is becoming the wild wild west. The reason Apple's killed it the past 7-8 years was because of their products, their willingness to share their vision, and a good vision. All those were driven by a guy who's now dead. If he were still alive, we'd have that picture already. We wouldn't have to wait for 24 months to understand the direction.

Don't get me wrong. I think the company will be fine, but if history gives us any information, it points to a decline back to reality where Apple becomes one of the companies in the mix rather than Apple being head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap will narrow significantly and the stock price gap will follow. This isn't dumping on Apple. This is saying it's about time for a confidence adjustment.

Huh? ETA:

Nothing?? You sure about that? Jobs did a fantastic job of showing everyone where Apple's going. Have we been thrown the slightest bone as to where they go, what they want to accomplish after they finish implementing what was left of Jobs' vision?

I really don't understand this. Steve Job's secrecy was legendary. He didn't show you anything until it was ready. He often and famously say one thing and then go in the exact opposite direction. I can't even fathom how you can say otherwise. If anything, Apple is more transparent now than they were under Jobs.

He was always "ready" 18 months to 24 months out....what's the problem here?

Huh? Steve Jobs never made his plan clear to the public 24 months out. I just don't understand what you think Apple is doing differently now.

I didn't say he made them clear, but he always had a direction he'd let us in on. I have no idea what their next step is now...not even a general idea. Apple TV? Laptop/Tablet combo? He was always able to let us see where he was going without giving us specifics. The group in charge now has relegated themselves to holding back functionality to make releases "special".

Example?

 

[DiStefano]

Victor Keegan, writing for the Guardian, thinks all the cool has gone out of the iPhone and that smartphones from other vendors have already overtaken it:

Apple is losing its hip and unpredictable edge as it risks being left behind by the very technology it helped to proliferate…

…

Make no mistake, these are going to be difficult times for Apple. Jobs’s resuscitation of the company after it nearly collapsed, is one of the great corporate turnarounds of US business history. But gratitude also belongs to history. From now on, Apple faces stiff competition on all fronts.

He certainly paints a very dark picture of the company’s future.

Wait, did I say “iPhone”? I’m sorry, I meant iPod. And it appears that this is from back in 2006. What a silly mistake. This is so embarrassing.

 

[Slapdash]

The China story is pretty well understood amongst the investment community but it is far more nuanced than what you are making it out to be, particularly as it relates to consumer goods.

How many times have you been to China, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, or even Malaysia? I highly suggest you go to those places (or go again, if you've gone before) and observe their attitudes towards smartphones, luxury goods, digital media consumption/distribution, and the Apple brand before making the assumptions that you do about Apple's growth in the region.

condensed version?

I think he is saying that American luxury goods aren't as in demand in asian cultures, something I have observed as well. Also, consumers there are not very friendly towards intellectual property rights which iOS depends on for substantial profits.

 

[Slapdash]

Victor Keegan, writing for the Guardian, thinks all the cool has gone out of the iPhone and that smartphones from other vendors have already overtaken it:

Apple is losing its hip and unpredictable edge as it risks being left behind by the very technology it helped to proliferate…

…

Make no mistake, these are going to be difficult times for Apple. Jobs’s resuscitation of the company after it nearly collapsed, is one of the great corporate turnarounds of US business history. But gratitude also belongs to history. From now on, Apple faces stiff competition on all fronts.

He certainly paints a very dark picture of the company’s future.

Wait, did I say “iPhone”? I’m sorry, I meant iPod. And it appears that this is from back in 2006. What a silly mistake. This is so embarrassing.

Man, if only Apple had Jobs in 06 to help innovate the next big thing...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

And here we are on January 18... just like this guy predicted this back in November, and it explains perfectly why AAPL has been pushed down so far so quickly. The truth is it has very little to do with Apple or their future outlook, it is simple market manipulation to make money managers big profits.

Up 25 cents after hours. And so it begins.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

Looks like a pretty good deal for him. I'd take it.

The beauty of America.Guy had stock options.....exercised them.So what is the problem.

I'm sure this had nothing to do with his political stature and insider favoritism. Or are you saying he was put on the board so that this Eco-warrior could make sure that the vast majority or the manufacturing is done in the most polluted place on the planet? Also, some would argue, by slave labor.

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

And here we are on January 18... just like this guy predicted this back in November, and it explains perfectly why AAPL has been pushed down so far so quickly. The truth is it has very little to do with Apple or their future outlook, it is simple market manipulation to make money managers big profits.

Up 25 cents after hours. And so it begins.

LOL

 

[Fennis]

What a ####### joke. So sick of the two party system. To hell with all of these bastards.

And here we are on January 18... just like this guy predicted this back in November, and it explains perfectly why AAPL has been pushed down so far so quickly. The truth is it has very little to do with Apple or their future outlook, it is simple market manipulation to make money managers big profits.

Up 25 cents after hours. And so it begins.

LOL

 

[The Commish]

Example?

iPads His initial iPhone. He gave us his thoughts on what it should be way before we saw the product rolling off the production line. Remember the "if you're using a stylus, you're doing it wrong" line??

 

[BoltBacker]

Victor Keegan, writing for the Guardian, thinks all the cool has gone out of the iPhone and that smartphones from other vendors have already overtaken it:

Apple is losing its hip and unpredictable edge as it risks being left behind by the very technology it helped to proliferate…

…

Make no mistake, these are going to be difficult times for Apple. Jobs’s resuscitation of the company after it nearly collapsed, is one of the great corporate turnarounds of US business history. But gratitude also belongs to history. From now on, Apple faces stiff competition on all fronts.

He certainly paints a very dark picture of the company’s future.

Wait, did I say “iPhone”? I’m sorry, I meant iPod. And it appears that this is from back in 2006. What a silly mistake. This is so embarrassing.

Wait, what mp3 players overtook the ipod in popularity back in 2006? Are you thinking of the Zune... or what exactly are you talking about? The mp3 player died(almost, I actually really love the latest shuffle and recommend it to people who work out all the time) had nothing to do with other vendors overtaking it.

 

[Mario Kart]

The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.

 

[goonsquad]

Victor Keegan, writing for the Guardian, thinks all the cool has gone out of the iPhone and that smartphones from other vendors have already overtaken it:

Apple is losing its hip and unpredictable edge as it risks being left behind by the very technology it helped to proliferate…

…

Make no mistake, these are going to be difficult times for Apple. Jobs’s resuscitation of the company after it nearly collapsed, is one of the great corporate turnarounds of US business history. But gratitude also belongs to history. From now on, Apple faces stiff competition on all fronts.

He certainly paints a very dark picture of the company’s future.

Wait, did I say “iPhone”? I’m sorry, I meant iPod. And it appears that this is from back in 2006. What a silly mistake. This is so embarrassing.

Wait, what mp3 players overtook the ipod in popularity back in 2006? Are you thinking of the Zune... or what exactly are you talking about? The mp3 player died(almost, I actually really love the latest shuffle and recommend it to people who work out all the time) had nothing to do with other vendors overtaking it.

That's the point. All of the predictions you hear today about the iPhone and iPad are the exact same things you heard about the iPod.

 

[goonsquad]

The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.

"If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail."

 

[Mario Kart]

The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.

"If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail."

People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.

"If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail."

People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.

this seems like much ado about nothing.4 years ago, I used my phone for lots of things besides a phone - it was a mini-lap top for me to check e-mails, look up stuff on the internet, watch videos, play games, etc.Now I have an iPad, and my phone is used for phone, text, GPS, and occasionally check e-mails/browse internet when I am away from my desk and/or iPad. I don't need, or want a bigger screen.What I do want is for web sites to stop re-directing me to their mobile page when I am on the iphone or ipad. I hate that. It might have been necessary 5 years ago, but almost all phones these days are capable of adequately displaying full web sites, rather than the scaled down version.

 

[goonsquad]

The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.

"If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail."

People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.

The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions.

 

[hxperson]

The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.

I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.

"If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail."

People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.

The point is every anti-Apple know-it-all claimed that Apple was dead back in the day because competitors were flooding the market with iPod knock-offs that won the spec sheet battle. This was well before mobile Internet music streaming... the biggest argument around was that the iPod would fail because it didn't have an FM tuner and people needed their local radio channels. That's the joke.And you really want to discuss arrogance? Apple is making 75% of all profits in the mobile industry. They are expected to announce sales of upwards of 50 million iPhones last quarter (compared to Samsung's ~25 Million Galaxies) which should account for around 30% y-o-y growth. Yet Mario Kart from a fantasy football website believes he knows for a fact how Apple should change their business strategy. Maybe you should the one to email Tim Cook; I'm sure he's feeling lost without your expert opinions.

And your arrogance is acting like most participants in the stock market don't know everything you just said in this last paragraph and are selling down AAPL out of sheer ignorance of all the glory and splendor that is Apple.

 

[tommyGunZ]

The iPhone may be popular but its technology is lagging. Whatever they are doing with the 5s is to get rid of unused materials. What Apple needs to do is get with the program and make a bigger phone. A bigger phone will allow better equipment... ie HD and a better camera.I'm not sure why stock holders are not pressuring Apple to come up with a phone that is similar to other competitors. The Galaxy III is a nice looking phone with good specs. Maybe Apple should have spent less time suing Samsung and spent some money in the R&D department. If the iPhone 6 has the same look as the iPhone 5... huge fail.

"If the iPod 6 doesn't have an FM tuner... huge fail."

People could care less about an FM tuner with Pandora and other music sites. Not sure where you get your arrogance from but whatever.Facts are facts. People are buying phones with bigger screens and better technology. Apple made their phone longer... yeah!!!! The Galaxy III is 20% larger in diagonal size and 44% larger in area. Practically does the same stuff or more as the iPhone 5. Time to get off your high horse on this issue because people want to do more with their phones, not less. Maybe you disagree but the trend is bigger and more... go email Cook about it and see what he says.

this seems like much ado about nothing.4 years ago, I used my phone for lots of things besides a phone - it was a mini-lap top for me to check e-mails, look up stuff on the internet, watch videos, play games, etc.Now I have an iPad, and my phone is used for phone, text, GPS, and occasionally check e-mails/browse internet when I am away from my desk and/or iPad. I don't need, or want a bigger screen.What I do want is for web sites to stop re-directing me to their mobile page when I am on the iphone or ipad. I hate that. It might have been necessary 5 years ago, but almost all phones these days are capable of adequately displaying full web sites, rather than the scaled down version.

This is pretty much where I am. As tablets, especially the 7 inch versions, become the standard, I want my phone to provide communication (txt, email, voice), GPS, and occasional web browsing while I'm on the go. Anytime I'm planning to spend more than 5+ minutes on the web, I'll use my tablet or laptop.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I think it's great that goonsquad is attacking Apple users and lumping them in with the haters now. Shows where we're really at.

 

[the moops]

Do people really want/need a better camera than is already on the iphone? We take pictures of our kids and random moments that are funny. It's not like we are trying to be professional photographers with our phones/