Apple Was Made at HP, Not in a Garage Says Wozniak (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

The legendary garage where Apple was created is a myth, says co-founder Steve Wozniak

Posted on Dec 5 2014 - 1:37am by Siddhant Ghatge

The long believed fact that Apple was made in a garage, is a myth says the co-founder of the tech giant, Steve Wozniak. He reveals that it was in fact made in his HP office. The news comes as heartbreak to all the Apple fans, and the revelation has left people stunned. Steve Wozniak has always been quite vocal about Apple. He co-founded Apple along with Steve Jobs.

In an interview with the Bloomberg Businessweek, to a question about the legendary garage, Wozniak said, “The garage is a bit of a myth. We did no designs there, no breadboarding, no prototyping, no planning of products. We did no manufacturing there,” this comes much to the surprise of people who have been devoted to Apple. Woz added, “The garage didn’t serve much purpose, except it was something for us to feel was our home.” He also stated that they were out of money, and hence had to stick to the place as they had no choice. Explaining the same, he said, “We had no money. You have to work out of your home when you have no money.”

He later went about narrating how HP let him do his side works. He said, “The work was being done — soldering things together, putting the chips together, designing them, drawing them on drafting tables — at my cubicle at Hewlett-Packard n Cupertino. (HP) let me do a lot of side projects.” There are speculations now as to how much will this revelation affect Apple’s historical statuses. The garage, which is located in Silicon Valley – at 2066 Crist Drive in Los Altos – is the place where Jobs and Wozniak made the very first Apple computers. The place was also the very first home of Steve Jobs. The Los Altos Historical Commission voted unanimously to designate the home as a “historic resource” in 2013.

 

[tdoss]

How does HP not have any rights to those early creations made while he was in their employ?

 

[Andrew74]

Am I misremembering that they "stole" the GUI from some firm, too?

 

[Abraham]

Am I misremembering that they "stole" the GUI from some firm, too?

Xerox i believe.

 

[shader]

How does HP not have any rights to those early creations made while he was in their employ?

Seriously. Especially if he used their equipment.

 

[lumpy19]

Am I misremembering that they "stole" the GUI from some firm, too?

Xerox i believe.

They didn't really steal it. Xerox really ####ed this up. They invented the personal computer but couldn't capitalize on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox

 

[GoFishTN]

Am I misremembering that they "stole" the GUI from some firm, too?

Xerox i believe.

They didn't really steal it. Xerox really ####ed this up. They invented the personal computer but couldn't capitalize on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox

Xerox was given (or purchased cheaply) Apple shares and Xerox invited them for tours. I'm fuzzy on whether Apple licensed it or not. Microsoft, on the other hand, just stole the whole idea.

 

[lombardi]

How does HP not have any rights to those early creations made while he was in their employ?

That's exactly what I thought when I read this. Why isn't HP trying to get a piece of that apple pie (oooh, a pun!)

 

[saintfool]

Goonsquad suicide watch begins now?

 

[johnnycakes]

Sounds like he's a bitter old man.

 

[gmbacm]

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[saintfool]

Sounds like he's a bitter old man.

obscenely rich, bitter old man.

 

[Zow]

Sounds like he's a bitter old man.

Yeah that Wozniak guy sounds like a real ****.

 

[Foosball God]

Sounds like he's a bitter old man.

It does?

 

[tdoss]

Not sure how you guys are getting he's bitter...dude is just being honest. How is it bitter to say nothing was created in the garage...and it makes sense.

 

[cstu]

Not sure how you guys are getting he's bitter...dude is just being honest. How is it bitter to say nothing was created in the garage...and it makes sense.

He's always seemed like a genuine guy to me, unlike the dbag he built the company for:

In 1973, Jobs was working for arcade game company Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California.[10] He was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50 by using RAM for the brick representation. Too complex to be fully comprehended at the time, the fact that this prototype also had no scoring or coin mechanisms meant Woz's prototype could not be used. Jobs was paid the full bonus regardless. Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.[11] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later, but said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.

Now it sounds like Jobs had no part in building the first Apple computers.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The legendary garage where Apple was created is a myth, says co-founder Steve Wozniak

Posted on Dec 5 2014 - 1:37am by Siddhant Ghatge

The news comes as heartbreak to all the Apple fans, and the revelation has left people stunned.

I'm ignorant on this history, but this part seems overstated. Are "Apple fans" really heartbroken and stunned about this revelation?

 

[The Commish]

Goonsquad suicide watch begins now?

He's not been around since Jobs died....just sayin'

 

[Foosball God]

Not sure how you guys are getting he's bitter...dude is just being honest. How is it bitter to say nothing was created in the garage...and it makes sense.

He's always seemed like a genuine guy to me, unlike the dbag he built the company for:

In 1973, Jobs was working for arcade game company Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California.[10] He was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50 by using RAM for the brick representation. Too complex to be fully comprehended at the time, the fact that this prototype also had no scoring or coin mechanisms meant Woz's prototype could not be used. Jobs was paid the full bonus regardless. Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.[11] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later, but said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.

Now it sounds like Jobs had no part in building the first Apple computers.

I thought this was pretty much known. Woz was the guy who really built it, but Jobs was the face man, marketing, sales and such.

 

[cstu]

I thought this was pretty much known. Woz was the guy who really built it, but Jobs was the face man, marketing, sales and such.

For the most part, but the garage story made it sounds like Jobs had some hands-on involvement of making the boards.

This is what is on Wozniak's wiki:

Together they sold some of their possessions (such as Wozniak's HP scientific calculator and Jobs' Volkswagen van), raised $1,300, and assembled the first boards in Jobs' bedroom and later (when there was no space left) in Jobs' garage.

 

[johnnycakes]

Not sure how you guys are getting he's bitter...dude is just being honest. How is it bitter to say nothing was created in the garage...and it makes sense.

He's always seemed like a genuine guy to me, unlike the dbag he built the company for:

In 1973, Jobs was working for arcade game company Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California.[10] He was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50 by using RAM for the brick representation. Too complex to be fully comprehended at the time, the fact that this prototype also had no scoring or coin mechanisms meant Woz's prototype could not be used. Jobs was paid the full bonus regardless. Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.[11] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later, but said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.

Now it sounds like Jobs had no part in building the first Apple computers.

I thought this was pretty much known. Woz was the guy who really built it, but Jobs was the face man, marketing, sales and such.

Woz got jobbed by Jobs?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

This changes everything. I don't buy stuff that's not made in garages.

 

[johnnycakes]

This changes everything. I don't buy stuff that's not made in garages.

Ben & Jerry's started in an gas station, which in these parts, is commonly called a garage. Is that close enough?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

How does HP not have any rights to those early creations made while he was in their employ?

That's exactly what I thought when I read this. Why isn't HP trying to get a piece of that apple pie (oooh, a pun!)

I'm not sure what employment contracts looked like back in this time period or whether Woz would have even signed one but my guess is there is nothing in writing that would give HP any right to cashing in on this

 

[Foosball God]

Not sure how you guys are getting he's bitter...dude is just being honest. How is it bitter to say nothing was created in the garage...and it makes sense.

He's always seemed like a genuine guy to me, unlike the dbag he built the company for:

In 1973, Jobs was working for arcade game company Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California.[10] He was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50 by using RAM for the brick representation. Too complex to be fully comprehended at the time, the fact that this prototype also had no scoring or coin mechanisms meant Woz's prototype could not be used. Jobs was paid the full bonus regardless. Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.[11] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later, but said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.

Now it sounds like Jobs had no part in building the first Apple computers.

I thought this was pretty much known. Woz was the guy who really built it, but Jobs was the face man, marketing, sales and such.

Woz got jobbed by Jobs?

Woz would have gone no where without Jobs. The boards and computer kit would have stayed in hobby shops.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This changes everything. I don't buy stuff that's not made in garages.

Michael Dell started building and shipping PC's from his dorm room at UT before dropping out. At least that was the commonly accepted story when I lived in Austin back in the day. Not as cool as a garage perhaps, but still pretty sweet.

 

[Zow]

Not sure how you guys are getting he's bitter...dude is just being honest. How is it bitter to say nothing was created in the garage...and it makes sense.

He's always seemed like a genuine guy to me, unlike the dbag he built the company for:

In 1973, Jobs was working for arcade game company Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California.[10] He was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50 by using RAM for the brick representation. Too complex to be fully comprehended at the time, the fact that this prototype also had no scoring or coin mechanisms meant Woz's prototype could not be used. Jobs was paid the full bonus regardless. Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.[11] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later, but said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.

Now it sounds like Jobs had no part in building the first Apple computers.

I thought this was pretty much known. Woz was the guy who really built it, but Jobs was the face man, marketing, sales and such.

Woz got jobbed by Jobs?

 

[nirad3]

Am I misremembering that they "stole" the GUI from some firm, too?

Xerox i believe.

They didn't really steal it. Xerox really ####ed this up. They invented the personal computer but couldn't capitalize on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox

Can't believe someone copied their idea.

 

[cstu]

Woz would have gone no where without Jobs. The boards and computer kit would have stayed in hobby shops.

True, and Jobs would have been nobody without Woz's computers.

 

[GoFishTN]

Not sure how you guys are getting he's bitter...dude is just being honest. How is it bitter to say nothing was created in the garage...and it makes sense.

He's always seemed like a genuine guy to me, unlike the dbag he built the company for:

In 1973, Jobs was working for arcade game company Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California.[10] He was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50 by using RAM for the brick representation. Too complex to be fully comprehended at the time, the fact that this prototype also had no scoring or coin mechanisms meant Woz's prototype could not be used. Jobs was paid the full bonus regardless. Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.[11] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later, but said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.

Now it sounds like Jobs had no part in building the first Apple computers.

I thought this was pretty much known. Woz was the guy who really built it, but Jobs was the face man, marketing, sales and such.

Woz got jobbed by Jobs?

Woz would have gone no where without Jobs. The boards and computer kit would have stayed in hobby shops.

And Jobs had nothing to sell without Woz.

 

[cstu]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GPEAGTjrOxgJ:anewdomain.net/2014/02/23/steve-wozniak-jobs-stamp-bad-forgot-engineer/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Consider the 2013 movie Jobs. It doesn’t portray Steve Wozniak as the edgy forward-thinking engineer he was at all. And it gets the details wrong. In an email regarding that movie, Wozniak today added:

… (The) social impact of computers on society came from me to Jobs …

I took (Steve) Jobs to the Homebrew Club. I was already a star there … (and the) computer that would become the Apple I was already being shown and built by others (by then) … I showed it at every meeting … “

Steve continued:

Apple ][ was done entirely by myself and (it) was the only successful product Apple had for the first 10 years. To be fair, Jobs ‘finished’ it for production. (That included) getting (the) PC board made by an outside company and getting the case designed and made. And of course (Steve) Jobs wanted to be the voice of the company and searched for high sounding words and came to his role of promoting computers for society … “

 

[Walter Slovotsky]

How does HP not have any rights to those early creations made while he was in their employ?

They did. Woz gave them every opportunity to do something with the Apple 1 and Apple 2 designs. HP management passed on it, and told Woz he could do what he wanted with it.

 

[Foosball God]

I think Jobs would have been successful without Woz, but no where near what they accomplished together.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I think Jobs would have been successful without Woz, but no where near what they accomplished together.

Agree. There's always plenty of people's ideas you can steal and call your own. Woz was just that lucky individual.

 

[Zow]

Stop ####### saying Woz.

 

[Osaurus]

Poor delusional Woz...2 oz of hogwash IMO

 

[cstu]

A fully operational Apple-1 developed by Steve jobs in 1976 was sold for $365,000 in a Christie’s auction on Thursday. The personal computer was named Ricketts after it was sold to Charles Ricketts for $666.6 and were a part of the 200 units made by Jobs and co-founder Steve Wozniak.

<_<

 

[Ilov80s]

I assume the deal with HP was similar to IBM with Microsoft in that they just didn't see any market for personal computers. Didn't HP pass on the Apple stuff?