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Are Aliens Visiting Us? (1 Viewer)

song said:
like your post very much.  agree with you and the Beatles about love.  i posted in the PSF a few days ago (silly me) that we need to act out of the fullness of love.

from a spiritual standpoint, i think the very good news is that there are no wormholes required.

i think i should bow out of this thread though.  i have long felt there is other intelligent life, good chance in spacecraft, and also not.  but it doesn't really change anything for me spiritually, or as far as what toppings i want on my pizza, or what crypto might be a good investment.  and it's starting to look like maybe they are not going to swoop in to save us from ourselves.
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You may say I'm a dreamer, and it's nice to know I'm not the only one. 

 
SpurrierisisGod said:
Bit of a derail above but I think it's a good convo starter...maybe it's own thread?

I am fascinated by the alien stuff.  The scientific/logical side of me just knows that based on sheer numbers that the likelihood of other intelligent life existing somewhere in the universe has to be approaching 100%.

The agnostic side of me, while recognizing that some things just can not be explained. I am not a non-believer.  i still can admit that some "intelligent design" may be involved. 

The Bible in no way shape or form can be a guide to what might or might not exist anywhere outside of our solar system.  At the time it was "written" it was just a collection of stories passed down over generation to generation by people that had absolutely no clue that other possible "suns" even existed.  How can that be a reference used to determine whether life exists 1 trillion miles away from us?

TL;DR : Bible writers couldn't have known.  Statically, the sheer numbers point to something existing other than us.  The real question is, are they so far advanced beyond us that we can't even get a non-grainy video of their visits?
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What if the authors of different books of the Bible had visions they could not interpret?  A cowboy in 1890, if handed an Iphone....how would he have described it?  Maybe parts of the Bible are faithful to what the author saw/was told/imagined.  What if it's all true, just not 100% literally?  I mean, there have been multiple references in this thread to an event 13000 years ago that decimated humanity.

 
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SpurrierisisGod said:
Bit of a derail above but I think it's a good convo starter...maybe it's own thread?

I am fascinated by the alien stuff.  The scientific/logical side of me just knows that based on sheer numbers that the likelihood of other intelligent life existing somewhere in the universe has to be approaching 100%.

The agnostic side of me, while recognizing that some things just can not be explained. I am not a non-believer.  i still can admit that some "intelligent design" may be involved. 

The Bible in no way shape or form can be a guide to what might or might not exist anywhere outside of our solar system.  At the time it was "written" it was just a collection of stories passed down over generation to generation by people that had absolutely no clue that other possible "suns" even existed.  How can that be a reference used to determine whether life exists 1 trillion miles away from us?

TL;DR : Bible writers couldn't have known.  Statically, the sheer numbers point to something existing other than us.  The real question is, are they so far advanced beyond us that we can't even get a non-grainy video of their visits?
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I agree about stories being passed on, particularly the old testament. 

They were not completely ignorant in astronomy however. As a matter of fact the Vatican had their own dedicated astronomers.  It's something I find odd about today's Christian where in some sechs the Earth is 6000 years old, God created everything in a week, etc. Yet several thousand years ago science was embraced. 

I wasn't sure myself about your "sun's" comment so looked and found this:

The first person we know of to suggest that the Sun is a star up close (or, conversely, that stars are Suns far away) was Anaxagoras, around 450 BC.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
The ocean is deep. Is it possible that a prior civilization reached a superior technological age and they went underground to avoid/survive the cataclysm that occurred ~13,000 years ago? 

More and more I just think we’re just a colonized planet. 

 
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Those living under the ocean would have a lot of pressure on them I would assume. That might create a race of shorter, squatter people?

 
KarmaPolice said:
Have any recommendations for the bolded?  

I need to get into reading more, and also love that topic.   A few years ago I freaked myself out by binging the Graham Hancock/Randall Carlson episodes + one of their books + a book that I happen to randomly catch at the library one day - The World Without Us by A. Weisman.   The pods put in perspective that people were around 13000 during a cataclysmic event which is terrifying to me and then Weisman's book put into perspective how quickly our stuff would get eaten up by the Earth if we disappeared.   
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Randal Carlson has a podcast and YouTube channel now 
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Was going to post then Steady mentioned it too. These aren't 'listen to' type pods, he uses so many graphs/charts/etc to substantiate his views you have to watch it. It's way over my head but interesting stuff for those that enjoy Carlson.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kosmographia/id1479346591

 
I believe not only is life possible elsewhere, it is natural and inevitable.  First, we need to throw away our conventional thoughts on what life would need.  We always seem to think it would need oxygen, or sunlight, or a rocky planet, x distance from the sun.  When none of that could be true.   We have life living in geothermal vents at the bottom of the ocean.  

And that gets to my other point.  I believe life is possible and inevitable because of the incredible diversity of life we have on this planet.  Billions of species, all because the conditions are favorable.  So maybe on a planet not as Earth like as ours there aren't billions of species, maybe less.  Who knows.  But life sure seems to want to develop based on how much of it there is on Earth.

 
beer 30 said:
Was going to post then Steady mentioned it too. These aren't 'listen to' type pods, he uses so many graphs/charts/etc to substantiate his views you have to watch it. It's way over my head but interesting stuff for those that enjoy Carlson.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kosmographia/id1479346591
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Thanks guys, I didn't know that Carlson had his own pod.    I usually just listen, so I might have to digest this a different way.  

 
zoonation said:
Why we might be alone in the universe

I highly recommend this youtube channel from an Columbus astrophysicist David Kipping and his Cool Worlds team, for those interested is cosmology, quantum physics stuff and the universe in general.  Production is incredible and my boy is wicked smart.

So many great vids on this channel.  Here are a few of my favorites:

Travelling back in time

How big is the universe?

the odds of life and intelligence

Watching the end of the world
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Love this guy, one of the best.

 
zoonation said:
Why we might be alone in the universe

I highly recommend this youtube channel from an Columbus astrophysicist David Kipping and his Cool Worlds team, for those interested is cosmology, quantum physics stuff and the universe in general.  Production is incredible and my boy is wicked smart.

So many great vids on this channel.  Here are a few of my favorites:

Travelling back in time

How big is the universe?

the odds of life and intelligence

Watching the end of the world
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Cool words rocks.  Watch it all the time.  Highly recommend too

 
2Squirrels1Nut said:
SpurrierisisGod said:
The Bible in no way shape or form can be a guide to what might or might not exist anywhere outside of our solar system.  At the time it was "written" it was just a collection of stories passed down over generation to generation by people that had absolutely no clue that other possible "suns" even existed.  How can that be a reference used to determine whether life exists 1 trillion miles away from us?

TL;DR : Bible writers couldn't have known.  Statically, the sheer numbers point to something existing other than us.  The real question is, are they so far advanced beyond us that we can't even get a non-grainy video of their visits?
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I agree about stories being passed on, particularly the old testament. 

They were not completely ignorant in astronomy however. As a matter of fact the Vatican had their own dedicated astronomers.  It's something I find odd about today's Christian where in some sechs the Earth is 6000 years old, God created everything in a week, etc. Yet several thousand years ago science was embraced. 
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Ancient Sumerian Cylinder Seal clearly shows Pluto

8,000 years ago.

Pluto wasn't confirmed to be discovered' until photographed by Western scientists in 1930.

 On February 18, 1930, after nearly a year of searching, Tombaugh discovered a possible moving object on photographic plates taken on January 23 and 29. A lesser-quality photograph taken on January 21 helped confirm the movement. After the observatory obtained further confirmatory photographs, news of the discovery was telegraphed to the Harvard College Observatory on March 13, 1930.

8,000 years before Western science somehow ancient Sumer knew not just all of the planets but their positions in the solar system and relative sizes.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Ancient Sumerian Cylinder Seal clearly shows Pluto

8,000 years ago.

Pluto wasn't confirmed to be discovered' until photographed by Western scientists in 1930.

 On February 18, 1930, after nearly a year of searching, Tombaugh discovered a possible moving object on photographic plates taken on January 23 and 29. A lesser-quality photograph taken on January 21 helped confirm the movement. After the observatory obtained further confirmatory photographs, news of the discovery was telegraphed to the Harvard College Observatory on March 13, 1930.

8,000 years before Western science somehow ancient Sumer knew not just all of the planets but their positions in the solar system and relative sizes.
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Maybe I’m looking at it wrong but how does it clearly show Pluto.  I count 11 ( not counting whatever that is between the 2 figures.  Even if you count one of those as our moon that still leaves 10.

 
dkp993 said:
Maybe I’m looking at it wrong but how does it clearly show Pluto.  I count 11 ( not counting whatever that is between the 2 figures.  Even if you count one of those as our moon that still leaves 10.
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Yeah I don't see any way the planets are their correct order and relative size but maybe I am looking at it wrong.  To me it just looks like a star with 11 and maybe one really distant planet if you count the circle between the middle and far right character.

The one thing that does stick out to me is that it shows the sun as the center of this solar system which was not the belief until Copernicus.

 
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Godsbrother said:
Yeah I don't see any way the planets are their correct order and relative size but maybe I am looking at it wrong.  To me it just looks like a star with 11 and maybe one really distant planet if you count the circle between the middle and far right character.

The one thing that does stick out to me is that it shows the sun as the center of this solar system which was not the belief until Copernicus.
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The Cylinder seal actually shows 12 'planets' not 11.  This was well before 'modern' Western science had 'discovered' any planets let alone Pluto.  Specific to Pluto.  Back in the 1840s Western scientists mathematically had proofs of a planetary body and went looking.  A series of discoveries in the early 1900s narrowed it down until photographic evidence confirmed all previous evidence.  

Relative sizes and distances are correct, key word 'relative' to the size of the Cylinder.  

The heliocentric model was thousands of years before Copernicus.

I'm sure they were just 'lucky guessers' 8,000 years ago, lol.

 
dkp993 said:
Maybe I’m looking at it wrong but how does it clearly show Pluto.  I count 11 ( not counting whatever that is between the 2 figures.  Even if you count one of those as our moon that still leaves 10.
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You can more easily see Mickey Mouse holding his leash. 

I'll see myself out.   :bag:

 
Bracie Smathers said:
The Cylinder seal actually shows 12 'planets' not 11.  This was well before 'modern' Western science had 'discovered' any planets let alone Pluto.  Specific to Pluto.  Back in the 1840s Western scientists mathematically had proofs of a planetary body and went looking.  A series of discoveries in the early 1900s narrowed it down until photographic evidence confirmed all previous evidence.  

Relative sizes and distances are correct, key word 'relative' to the size of the Cylinder.  

The heliocentric model was thousands of years before Copernicus.

I'm sure they were just 'lucky guessers' 8,000 years ago, lol.
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Or they weren't depicting the sun and planets at all.  A Brief Analysis of Cylinder Seal VA243

 
Bracie Smathers said:
The Cylinder seal actually shows 12 'planets' not 11.  This was well before 'modern' Western science had 'discovered' any planets let alone Pluto.  Specific to Pluto.  Back in the 1840s Western scientists mathematically had proofs of a planetary body and went looking.  A series of discoveries in the early 1900s narrowed it down until photographic evidence confirmed all previous evidence.  

Relative sizes and distances are correct, key word 'relative' to the size of the Cylinder.  
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I am not trying to be difficult Bracie.

Just looking at the "planets"  can you tell me which are which?  It is not at all clear to me. 

 
Yeah, I don't see a solar system there.  Could just represent other stars.  Many of the things I see "interpreted" on these shows and in articles seem sketchy at best.  The only ones you can really correlate, in my opinion, are the ones laid out to mimic constellations or things of that nature.

 
I have a friend who flew the predecessor to the F18 in the Gulf War.  He swears he has encountered UFOs over the ocean--similar to the ones in the NYT story from ~5 years ago.  He says they moved in ways that he wasn't able to explain.  He hypothesized that they used some sort of anti-gravitational power source as talked about in this book.

 
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/10/congress-holding-ufo-hearing-00031367?_amp=true
 

“A House committee will hold a public hearing on UFOs next Tuesday for the first time in decades, as Congress presses the Pentagon and other national security agencies for more answers on reports of mysterious aircraft violating protected airspace. 

The session before the House Intelligence Committee’s Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation Subcommittee comes fives months after the National Defense Authorization Act required the military to establish a permanent UFO research office and take a series of other steps to collect and investigate reports of “unidentified aerial phenomena.” 

 
chet said:
I have a friend who flew the predecessor to the F18 in the Gulf War.  He swears he has encountered UFOs over the ocean--similar to the ones in the NYT story from ~5 years ago.  He says they moved in ways that he wasn't able to explain.  He hypothesized that they used some sort of anti-gravitational power source as talked about in this book.
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A cosmetic surgeon could make a fortune if they harnessed this power. 

 
chet said:
I have a friend who flew the predecessor to the F18 in the Gulf War.  He swears he has encountered UFOs over the ocean--similar to the ones in the NYT story from ~5 years ago.  He says they moved in ways that he wasn't able to explain.  He hypothesized that they used some sort of anti-gravitational power source as talked about in this book.
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powered by a sprinkling of something similar to Element 115. See Bob Lazar...

https://youtu.be/BEWz4SXfyCQ

 
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I am ready to believe. 

What I find almost impossible is that there's another civilization at the point in their history where they are flying spacecraft around, and that they found us, came here regularly, and haven't made contact. 

I also have a rough time with the fact that the second everyone had an HD video camera in their pocket, UFO sightings stopped. 

 
massraider said:
I am ready to believe. 

What I find almost impossible is that there's another civilization at the point in their history where they are flying spacecraft around, and that they found us, came here regularly, and haven't made contact. 

I also have a rough time with the fact that the second everyone had an HD video camera in their pocket, UFO sightings stopped. 
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I can't even take a decent picture of my grandchildren playing ball sometimes without it looking like a something from another world. 

 
I’m not sure the Earth is being visited by aliens, but my wife and I had our first UFO experience of our lives about 2 months ago.  U = unidentified.  We simply don’t know what it was.

It was sometime in March.  We were standing in our backyard at about 3pm - just taking a break from work and getting some sun.  We looked up and saw two…somethings…that had colors of red, blue, yellow and green.  It was either one “craft” jumping diagonally back and forth or two “crafts” with all lights turning on and off, but it wasn’t blinking like a normal jet.  It was all lights on, then all lights off - and when they were off, we could see no craft.  It was as if someone was skipping or skating.  We both agreed this was something we’ve never seen before.

It was like:

/

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/

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or

#

      #

#

      #

We live very close to Nellis AFB and see and hear military jets fly overhead several times a day.  This was no military jet we have ever seen - of that, we are confident.   I also don’t think it was drones as it/they were quite large and were above cloud level.  I’d have a hard time believing it was some alien thing because the airspace over Vegas/Nellis/Groom Lake must be very highly watched.  But we have no idea what we saw.

 
Joe Mammy said:
Pics?
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I was tempted to run into the house and grab my phone, but given the speed, it/they would have been gone by the time I got back.  We were sort of mesmerized in watching it and trying to come up with a logical explanation for what we saw.  I’ve Googled other “UFO” pictures, but haven’t found anything that looks similar.  It wasn’t a saucer or anything - more like a square, which is why I used the hashtag symbol.  Using Red, Yellow, Green, Blue it was like:

R Y
G B

 
lakerstan said:
I’m not sure the Earth is being visited by aliens, but my wife and I had our first UFO experience of our lives about 2 months ago.  U = unidentified.  We simply don’t know what it was.

It was sometime in March.  We were standing in our backyard at about 3pm - just taking a break from work and getting some sun.  We looked up and saw two…somethings…that had colors of red, blue, yellow and green.  It was either one “craft” jumping diagonally back and forth or two “crafts” with all lights turning on and off, but it wasn’t blinking like a normal jet.  It was all lights on, then all lights off - and when they were off, we could see no craft.  It was as if someone was skipping or skating.  We both agreed this was something we’ve never seen before.

It was like:

/

\

/

\

or

#

      #

#

      #

We live very close to Nellis AFB and see and hear military jets fly overhead several times a day.  This was no military jet we have ever seen - of that, we are confident.   I also don’t think it was drones as it/they were quite large and were above cloud level.  I’d have a hard time believing it was some alien thing because the airspace over Vegas/Nellis/Groom Lake must be very highly watched.  But we have no idea what we saw.
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Swamp gas. 

 
lakerstan said:
I’m not sure the Earth is being visited by aliens, but my wife and I had our first UFO experience of our lives about 2 months ago.  U = unidentified.  We simply don’t know what it was.

It was sometime in March.  We were standing in our backyard at about 3pm - just taking a break from work and getting some sun.  We looked up and saw two…somethings…that had colors of red, blue, yellow and green.  It was either one “craft” jumping diagonally back and forth or two “crafts” with all lights turning on and off, but it wasn’t blinking like a normal jet.  It was all lights on, then all lights off - and when they were off, we could see no craft.  It was as if someone was skipping or skating.  We both agreed this was something we’ve never seen before.

It was like:

/

\

/

\

or

#

      #

#

      #

We live very close to Nellis AFB and see and hear military jets fly overhead several times a day.  This was no military jet we have ever seen - of that, we are confident.   I also don’t think it was drones as it/they were quite large and were above cloud level.  I’d have a hard time believing it was some alien thing because the airspace over Vegas/Nellis/Groom Lake must be very highly watched.  But we have no idea what we saw.
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Cool story, thanks for sharing it.

 
lakerstan said:
This was a silly “drawing” I did a couple weeks ago so I could remember it.

https://ibb.co/c1425yx

I just realized it kinda reminds me of the old Windows logo:

https://ibb.co/MngXnnm
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My first inclination would be some sort of plane with a weird light setup on each wing that alternated lighting up and going dark.  Combined with your sight-lines/perspective created the effect you observed.  But who the heck really knows?

 
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