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dkp993 said:
I also believe we reached a tipping point in this situation where the evidence is mounting, and the uncomfortability of highly qualified people who wouldn’t have spoken about this prior has been broken.
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What evidence?

Testimony <> evidence.
 
rockaction said:
Nathan R. Jessep said:
care to unpack this a bit?
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The Deep State hatin' Trump supporters really get fired up about this. Aside from dkp993, this is just the latest in anti-government sentiment. Not that I don't sympathize and share those sentiments, but the right used to frame this as a reason/unreason issue, whereas now it's a believe government/distrust government issue, with the predictable switch in the result of the framing.
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I don’t think your reading this right, imo. This issue is across the aisle . What we’re seeing today politically was started by Harry Reid. Today we have Chuck Schumer , Marco Rubio and Kirsten Gillibrand moving things forward in the senate. John Podesta is on record as saying Hillary Clinton was going to be the disclosure president. On the congressional side both AIC & Gaetz were on the same side . Foxx & Burlison, both Rs didn’t come out looking that good.

What we saw was a huge story . Either these 3 lied under oath to congress or told the truth . If the lied that alone makes this big, if they told the truth it’s the biggest story in humanity . Just my opinion
 
massraider said:
Nathan R. Jessep said:
But the big thing, IMO, is the novelty of what he is claiming. He was not alleging that Congress et. al. was keeping the "truth" about UFOs and aliens from the public. He is alleging that the executive branch and intelligence officials within our government are actually keeping that information from Congress.
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If we had a warehouse of alien tech and a morgue full of aliens who don't know how to operate their ve-hicles, I would assume the military would not tell Congress.

You watch any CSPAN? I wouldn't trust these people to keep my Netflix password to themselves, let alone this kind of news.

How long could Congress have kept this secret? 80 years of sightings, and no one from Congress spilled the beans? Someone thread this needle, please
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Yeah I was going to say, is there anyone that actually believes this is a big cover-up that CONGRESS knows about?

There have been thousands of members of congress since these alleged incidents, many of which had few qualifications for it other than winning a popularity contest in a particularly crazy corner of the country. Nevermind that some of these guys would've brought it up intentionally by now, some of these doofuses would've blurted out something about it on C-Span accidentally by now.

If there is any chance this stuff is real, the only feasible possibility is that it's like ID4 where even the president and most members of his cabinet had no idea.
 
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massraider said:
Stuff we cannot explain: not the same as evidence of alien visitors.

"Well what else could it be?": also not evidence
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It is evidence to what they witnessed. Both Fravor and Graves call it unexplained and I don’t believe either have definitively said it’s aliens. These are two of the worlds most highly trained pilots with Fravor leading an entire air wing squadron (many of who in the squadron saw what he did as well) who can not explain what they saw, but are positive it’s nothing remotely close to technology we or our adversaries currently have. The video evidence support these claims. That alone warrants deep investigation.
 
Galileo said:
HellToupee said:
What we saw was a huge story . Either these 3 lied under oath to congress or told the truth . If the lied that alone makes this big, if they told the truth it’s the biggest story in humanity . Just my opinion
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Any room for a 3rd possibility that it is possible for people to fully believe that they are being truthful, but what they are reporting is not factual?
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Not factual in what way?
 
FreeBaGeL said:
If there is any chance this stuff is real, the only feasible possibility is that it's like ID4 where even the president and most members of his cabinet had no idea.
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Agreed, if even a fraction of this is true this is the only possible route it’s gone down imo.
 
dkp993 said:
massraider said:
Stuff we cannot explain: not the same as evidence of alien visitors.

"Well what else could it be?": also not evidence
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It is evidence to what they witnessed. Both Fravor and Graves call it unexplained and I don’t believe either have definitively said it’s aliens. These are two of the worlds most highly trained pilots with Fravor leading an entire air wing squadron (many of who in the squadron saw what he did as well) who can not explain what they saw, but are positive it’s nothing remotely close to technology we or our adversaries currently have. The video evidence support these claims. That alone warrants deep investigation.
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I'm not accusing anyone of lying, and since no one is calling into question anyone's integrity, the repeated listing of their accomplishments isn't necessary.

My previous statement still stands, even if I agree 100% with everything you said.
 
dkp993 said:
Galileo said:
HellToupee said:
What we saw was a huge story . Either these 3 lied under oath to congress or told the truth . If the lied that alone makes this big, if they told the truth it’s the biggest story in humanity . Just my opinion
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Any room for a 3rd possibility that it is possible for people to fully believe that they are being truthful, but what they are reporting is not factual?
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Not factual in what way?
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I'm just bringing up the idea in general terms. Take for example eyewitness testimony in a crime investigation. It is not always reliable and factual, but the witnesses aren't intending to be deceptive. Or, what about a scenario where someone gets information from a source they believe to be reliable and respected. They pass along that information believing it to be true, hearsay.
 
Galileo said:
dkp993 said:
Galileo said:
HellToupee said:
What we saw was a huge story . Either these 3 lied under oath to congress or told the truth . If the lied that alone makes this big, if they told the truth it’s the biggest story in humanity . Just my opinion
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Any room for a 3rd possibility that it is possible for people to fully believe that they are being truthful, but what they are reporting is not factual?
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Not factual in what way?
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I'm just bringing up the idea in general terms. Take for example eyewitness testimony in a crime investigation. It is not always reliable and factual, but the witnesses aren't intending to be deceptive. Or, what about a scenario where someone gets information from a source they believe to be reliable and respected. They pass along that information believing it to be true, hearsay.
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Sure and I certainly understand that. But I’m saying in this situation, what would be not factual about the situation as the testimony is backed with the video evidence?
 
massraider said:
dkp993 said:
massraider said:
Stuff we cannot explain: not the same as evidence of alien visitors.

"Well what else could it be?": also not evidence
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It is evidence to what they witnessed. Both Fravor and Graves call it unexplained and I don’t believe either have definitively said it’s aliens. These are two of the worlds most highly trained pilots with Fravor leading an entire air wing squadron (many of who in the squadron saw what he did as well) who can not explain what they saw, but are positive it’s nothing remotely close to technology we or our adversaries currently have. The video evidence support these claims. That alone warrants deep investigation.
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I'm not accusing anyone of lying, and since no one is calling into question anyone's integrity, the repeated listing of their accomplishments isn't necessary.

My previous statement still stands, even if I agree 100% with everything you said.
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Sure and maybe it’s wordsmithing here, but it is a evidence of aliens as a hypothesis to the unexplained, it’s also evidence of a Chinese advanced drone technology hypothesis, it’s also evidence of swamp gas hypothesis, etc. etc. etc. It’s evidence of a lot of things is my point, but it’s certainly not proof which I think is yours. And if so, I agree.
 
Galileo said:
dkp993 said:
Galileo said:
HellToupee said:
What we saw was a huge story . Either these 3 lied under oath to congress or told the truth . If the lied that alone makes this big, if they told the truth it’s the biggest story in humanity . Just my opinion
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Any room for a 3rd possibility that it is possible for people to fully believe that they are being truthful, but what they are reporting is not factual?
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Not factual in what way?
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I'm just bringing up the idea in general terms. Take for example eyewitness testimony in a crime investigation. It is not always reliable and factual, but the witnesses aren't intending to be deceptive. Or, what about a scenario where someone gets information from a source they believe to be reliable and respected. They pass along that information believing it to be true, hearsay.
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There is always a chance of Rashomon situation with Grusch. With Fravor & Graves the situation is different, they had flight crews with them and radar evidence. Skepticism is good
 
rockaction said:
I mean, really, this thread is a litany of posters who have lost trust in official institutions. I know them from the PSF. It's patently obvious that you have your third-party supporters, Roganites, and Trump Republicans out in full force with "questions" about the issues that indicate a loss of all trust in institutions and norms with little or no reverence for reason and rationality.
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Rock to add some anecdotal evidence to your anecdotal evidence here. On the unnamed heavily right leaning pro-MAGA competitor site/forum to here this topic has gained very little traction or interest. @HellToupee has most of the few posts since the hearing went down this week.

One would think based on your observations here that it would be of great interest and discussion in that environment.
 
This is waaaay too cool a subject to even go near politics.

Plenty of leftys are believers, who also don't trust our leaders. Trust me, every lib has Aunt Jeannie who moved to Ocala, has several cats, and a floundering homeo-crystals therapy business of some sort.
 
dkp993 said:
rockaction said:
Nathan R. Jessep said:
care to unpack this a bit?
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The Deep State hatin' Trump supporters really get fired up about this. Aside from dkp993, this is just the latest in anti-government sentiment. Not that I don't sympathize and share those sentiments, but the right used to frame this as a reason/unreason issue, whereas now it's a believe government/distrust government issue, with the predictable switch in the result of the framing.
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It’s hard not to stumble down that rabbit hole with very credible people like Grusch talking about what he came up against as a lead in a government created division to built to look into exactly this.

It’s those “roadblocks” and “hidden power” that lead Grusch to come forward, not the possibilities of ufo‘s or aliens, but the power acting behind the scene concealing things that he wants to expose.

If there truly are forces within our own government compartmentalizing and withholding life altering information I don’t believe those forces are right/left politically motivated. It‘s about power and control.
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There are certain things that probably should be kept from the general public. Most people are idiots out there.
 
most people are idiots - those who believe in UFOs, for example.
why is it only Christians have ghosts and exorcisms, and only Americans see UFOs or are in possession of alien , ahem, biologics? what, the Aliens don't like Russians or Australians, or other places ? they HAVE to pick on Americans????
how 'bout this, since 1950ish we've been pushing the UFO narrative, that we have bodies, that we have a space craft. bla bla bla. botton line, telling people ufo's exist makes it soooo very easy to tell people that the new stealth B1 bomber goes for 1 bill - each. and we need to fund this!!! and we need to fund other high end military machinery. this is what helped fund NASA in the 60s - fear of UFOs and so on.
I saw a show on space scientists, astro physicists, one guy said we all hang out together outside of work, play darts at bars, play pool etc. we've never once discussed aliens/ufo's/alien biologix.
it's just the single dumbest thing I've ever heard people say . I Thought the bigfoot truthers were frauds, but the UFO people take it to a new level. Those dopes who testified recently, that buzz cut dude writing a book or selling a book soon? he's a friggin looney tune you see the look on his face? I've seen that same look on friends high on double barrel purple mescaline back in the 80s. or LSD. or mushrooms. or dare I say zooty bang-aka, PCP. that guy was high as a kite and he's an absolutely unhinged dope. did he blink once? why were his eyes bugging out of his head? why couldn't he stop talking was he high on cocaine too?? what a scam
 
Tanner9919 said:
most people are idiots - those who believe in UFOs, for example.
why is it only Christians have ghosts and exorcisms, and only Americans see UFOs or are in possession of alien , ahem, biologics? what, the Aliens don't like Russians or Australians, or other places ? they HAVE to pick on Americans????
how 'bout this, since 1950ish we've been pushing the UFO narrative, that we have bodies, that we have a space craft. bla bla bla. botton line, telling people ufo's exist makes it soooo very easy to tell people that the new stealth B1 bomber goes for 1 bill - each. and we need to fund this!!! and we need to fund other high end military machinery. this is what helped fund NASA in the 60s - fear of UFOs and so on.
I saw a show on space scientists, astro physicists, one guy said we all hang out together outside of work, play darts at bars, play pool etc. we've never once discussed aliens/ufo's/alien biologix.
it's just the single dumbest thing I've ever heard people say . I Thought the bigfoot truthers were frauds, but the UFO people take it to a new level. Those dopes who testified recently, that buzz cut dude writing a book or selling a book soon? he's a friggin looney tune you see the look on his face? I've seen that same look on friends high on double barrel purple mescaline back in the 80s. or LSD. or mushrooms. or dare I say zooty bang-aka, PCP. that guy was high as a kite and he's an absolutely unhinged dope. did he blink once? why were his eyes bugging out of his head? why couldn't he stop talking was he high on cocaine too?? what a scam
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LOL, I gotta think this is closer to the truth than the alternative.
 
Tanner9919 said:
most people are idiots - those who believe in UFOs, for example.
why is it only Christians have ghosts and exorcisms, and only Americans see UFOs or are in possession of alien , ahem, biologics? what, the Aliens don't like Russians or Australians, or other places ? they HAVE to pick on Americans????
how 'bout this, since 1950ish we've been pushing the UFO narrative, that we have bodies, that we have a space craft. bla bla bla. botton line, telling people ufo's exist makes it soooo very easy to tell people that the new stealth B1 bomber goes for 1 bill - each. and we need to fund this!!! and we need to fund other high end military machinery. this is what helped fund NASA in the 60s - fear of UFOs and so on.
I saw a show on space scientists, astro physicists, one guy said we all hang out together outside of work, play darts at bars, play pool etc. we've never once discussed aliens/ufo's/alien biologix.
it's just the single dumbest thing I've ever heard people say . I Thought the bigfoot truthers were frauds, but the UFO people take it to a new level. Those dopes who testified recently, that buzz cut dude writing a book or selling a book soon? he's a friggin looney tune you see the look on his face? I've seen that same look on friends high on double barrel purple mescaline back in the 80s. or LSD. or mushrooms. or dare I say zooty bang-aka, PCP. that guy was high as a kite and he's an absolutely unhinged dope. did he blink once? why were his eyes bugging out of his head? why couldn't he stop talking was he high on cocaine too?? what a scam
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Found the government burner account.:tinfoilhat:
 
Alien beings are travelling billions of miles across the galaxy and have the ability to see wonders we could only ever dream of with technology we won't be able to understand for thousands of years, only to end up crashing next to a trailer park in New Mexico.
 
Scoresman said:
Alien beings are travelling billions of miles across the galaxy and have the ability to see wonders we could only ever dream of with technology we won't be able to understand for thousands of years, only to end up crashing next to a trailer park in New Mexico.
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Perhaps the only gravity they know is miniscule, and then they come here and WHAM!!

But yeah, ya wonder why nothing ever happens where people actually see and film it on clear cameras.
 
massraider said:
Mysterious ‘skin-like’ golden orb found on ocean floor off Alaska coast

A remotely operated arm was deployed to “tickle” the egg, which was found to have a delicate “skin-like” texture. It was then gently “suctioned” up a tube for testing in a lab
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“I just hope when we poke it, something doesn’t decide to come out,” one scientist said. “It’s like the beginning of a horror movie.”
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So THAT’s where I left it.
 
So, Mexico just had a congressional hearing similar to the United States one. Except Mexico decided to unbox two aliens during it! 🤣 Supposedly they did multiple studies on the bodies. A quick Mexico alien search on Twitter (X) or Google should lead you down this crazy rabbit hole.
 
JShare87 said:
So, Mexico just had a congressional hearing similar to the United States one. Except Mexico decided to unbox two aliens during it! 🤣 Supposedly they did multiple studies on the bodies. A quick Mexico alien search on Twitter (X) or Google should lead you down this crazy rabbit hole.
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US UAP hearings: "I heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that there's some weird stuff in some of our military bases. No, I'm not going to tell you my source and no I'm not going to tell you where any of this stuff actually is."

Mexican UAP hearings: "#### it here's some alien bodies."
 
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