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Are Benson and Ridley killing Rodgers' and Brady's value? (1 Viewer)

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i know this is a small sample size but Bensona and Ridley seem to be giving GB and NE much stronger running games than they have had in years causing Rodgers and Brady to be throwing less. If this is a trend this could kill the value of these 2 QBs that were supposed to be studs and 1st round pick no brainers

Meanwhile other teams like Atlanta losing there running game (Turner) seem to be having QBs that will be throwing as much as we expected GB and NE to

Is now the time to "sell high" on Rodgers and Brady before the lose even more value?

 
I don't see this happening. Ridley and Benson might both get 15-20 carries per week, but that was usually the numbers the backs on those teams got in years past, buy they were usually split up between 2-3 RBs, while this year those guys appear to be THE main ball carriers for their teams, so Rodgers and Brady should be fine. Rodgers has had a somewhat shaky start (by his standards, and considering his ADP), but he ain't gonna be playing SF and Chicago's defenses every week; he'll be fine.

 
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IMHO... I can see a dip in Brady's numbers, still top 5 or 6 but I think the Pats would like to become more balanced time control offense. Being one dimensional hasn't worked out for them lately when they get to the playoffs. Yes, I know they were in the Superbowl last year but it was a pretty easy road to get there. Bye in the first round, totally out classed Denver in the second and had Cundiff made that chip shot in the AFC championship I think they would have lost in overtime, and that's coming from a Pats homer.

Now that McDaniels is back as OC it seems like the philosophy is to become a little more of a ground control team that will shorten the games and pay off in January.

With that being said, and injury to Ridley, a couple of fumbles or ineffectiveness and Brady would probably be back to throwing it 45-50 times a game.

 
'Bobtender said:
IMHO... I can see a dip in Brady's numbers, still top 5 or 6 but I think the Pats would like to become more balanced time control offense. Being one dimensional hasn't worked out for them lately when they get to the playoffs. Yes, I know they were in the Superbowl last year but it was a pretty easy road to get there. Bye in the first round, totally out classed Denver in the second and had Cundiff made that chip shot in the AFC championship I think they would have lost in overtime, and that's coming from a Pats homer.Now that McDaniels is back as OC it seems like the philosophy is to become a little more of a ground control team that will shorten the games and pay off in January.With that being said, and injury to Ridley, a couple of fumbles or ineffectiveness and Brady would probably be back to throwing it 45-50 times a game.
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They aren't helping as both teams want to become more balanced, but they are hardly going to kill their value.
 
'Louisville Slugger said:
'Bobtender said:
IMHO... I can see a dip in Brady's numbers, still top 5 or 6 but I think the Pats would like to become more balanced time control offense. Being one dimensional hasn't worked out for them lately when they get to the playoffs. Yes, I know they were in the Superbowl last year but it was a pretty easy road to get there. Bye in the first round, totally out classed Denver in the second and had Cundiff made that chip shot in the AFC championship I think they would have lost in overtime, and that's coming from a Pats homer.Now that McDaniels is back as OC it seems like the philosophy is to become a little more of a ground control team that will shorten the games and pay off in January.With that being said, and injury to Ridley, a couple of fumbles or ineffectiveness and Brady would probably be back to throwing it 45-50 times a game.
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They aren't helping as both teams want to become more balanced, but they are hardly going to kill their value.
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If the trend kept up it would knock them from elite. Prevously in Bradys career he was not a top 2 QB for fantasy but he wasnt as good and didnt have the pair of TEs he has now. Rodgers has balls being dropped and his best WR hobbled. They have always used a respective mix of run and pass in GBBut 2 weeeks is not a trend
 
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'Louisville Slugger said:
'Bobtender said:
IMHO... I can see a dip in Brady's numbers, still top 5 or 6 but I think the Pats would like to become more balanced time control offense. Being one dimensional hasn't worked out for them lately when they get to the playoffs. Yes, I know they were in the Superbowl last year but it was a pretty easy road to get there. Bye in the first round, totally out classed Denver in the second and had Cundiff made that chip shot in the AFC championship I think they would have lost in overtime, and that's coming from a Pats homer.Now that McDaniels is back as OC it seems like the philosophy is to become a little more of a ground control team that will shorten the games and pay off in January.With that being said, and injury to Ridley, a couple of fumbles or ineffectiveness and Brady would probably be back to throwing it 45-50 times a game.
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They aren't helping as both teams want to become more balanced, but they are hardly going to kill their value.
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Depends on how you define it. Some people were expecting 5000/40 again this year and that doesn't look like it's going to happen.
 
"There seemed to be a lot of key drops on Thursday that severely affected Rodgers stats."

What this cat said. Nelson dropped 2-3 balls that he easily makes a play on usually.

 
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'pantherclub said:
There seemed to be a lot of key drops on Thursday that severely affected Rodgers stats.
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Yes and no. There were some bad drops, but he overthrew his WRs on several passes. The color guy on the NFLN tried to blame it on the WRs, but Rodgers missed the mark on those passes (one to Nelson down the right sideline, and another to Jones in the end zone).
 
'Ghost Rider said:
'pantherclub said:
There seemed to be a lot of key drops on Thursday that severely affected Rodgers stats.
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Yes and no. There were some bad drops, but he overthrew his WRs on several passes. The color guy on the NFLN tried to blame it on the WRs, but Rodgers missed the mark on those passes (one to Nelson down the right sideline, and another to Jones in the end zone).
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Nelson also dropped 2 key 3rd down passes, one for 20ish yards that would have put them inside the 50 and other when he was wide open in the middle.
 
'Ghost Rider said:
'pantherclub said:
There seemed to be a lot of key drops on Thursday that severely affected Rodgers stats.
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Yes and no. There were some bad drops, but he overthrew his WRs on several passes. The color guy on the NFLN tried to blame it on the WRs, but Rodgers missed the mark on those passes (one to Nelson down the right sideline, and another to Jones in the end zone).
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Yep. Passes that Rodgers threw last year and the SB year prior are off the mark so far this year. Not wildly. Maybe 6-12 inches. But not superhuman like last year or the 6 game run in 2010.
 
'Sandeman said:
'Ghost Rider said:
'pantherclub said:
There seemed to be a lot of key drops on Thursday that severely affected Rodgers stats.
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Yes and no. There were some bad drops, but he overthrew his WRs on several passes. The color guy on the NFLN tried to blame it on the WRs, but Rodgers missed the mark on those passes (one to Nelson down the right sideline, and another to Jones in the end zone).
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Yep. Passes that Rodgers threw last year and the SB year prior are off the mark so far this year. Not wildly. Maybe 6-12 inches. But not superhuman like last year or the 6 game run in 2010.
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:goodposting: This just in: Aaron Rodgers IS human. Those expecting him to repeat one of the best QB rating performances in all of history...again - well they might be a little sad. I do think the replacement refs are having an effect by NOT calling some defensive penalties (heck, even Mayock stated as much...and then defended the refs)
 
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No, I think it's just a two game stretch. I have Ryan, and if he has a big game today, I'll be looking to work with the frustrated Brady/Rodgers owners

 
'cstu said:
'Louisville Slugger said:
'Bobtender said:
IMHO... I can see a dip in Brady's numbers, still top 5 or 6 but I think the Pats would like to become more balanced time control offense. Being one dimensional hasn't worked out for them lately when they get to the playoffs. Yes, I know they were in the Superbowl last year but it was a pretty easy road to get there. Bye in the first round, totally out classed Denver in the second and had Cundiff made that chip shot in the AFC championship I think they would have lost in overtime, and that's coming from a Pats homer.Now that McDaniels is back as OC it seems like the philosophy is to become a little more of a ground control team that will shorten the games and pay off in January.With that being said, and injury to Ridley, a couple of fumbles or ineffectiveness and Brady would probably be back to throwing it 45-50 times a game.
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They aren't helping as both teams want to become more balanced, but they are hardly going to kill their value.
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Depends on how you define it. Some people were expecting 5000/40 again this year and that doesn't look like it's going to happen.
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its almost as if they are reverting to the mean after abnormally successful seasons!who would have thought.
 
GB, NYG, NE, NO, IND, (and even PIT at times) ... all of the last few super bowl teams have one thing in common, they struggled with the run

the two teams have looked good offensively in 3 out of 16 quarters of play ... i'm not sure if this balanced offense is working

are you sure they WANT to become balanced because I see two struggling offenses right now

coaches always say they want to be balanced so i'm sure you can pull up recent coachspeak by both of em but they may get back to flinging it 50 times pretty quick

 
A number of factors are contributing to slow starts for both Brady and Rodgers.

I'm more concerned about Brady, as I was before the year. Solder is a promising player who occasionally makes mental errors. Mankins is still very good. The right side of the line is not their strength. Brady is also south of 35, which means there will be some regression physically at some point. Furthermore, I consider Hernandez to be their most dynamic offensive player and they will miss him. I would slide Brady behind Brees, Newton, Stafford, perhaps even RGIII, at least for the time being.

He was always behind Rodgers. I'm more optimistic that he will rebound and finish the season as QB1. I consider the two defenses he faced in weeks 1 and 2 to be two of the best he is to face all season. The way Chicago was playing offense on Thursday night, there was every reason to take the air out of the ball and let the defense and running game win the day. Rodgers will get Jennings back and it should be all systems go week 3.

 
To answer the original question as pertains to Rodgers:

Yes.

Here's the deal: No one would confuse Cedric Benson with Arian Foster. But he's solid. If you're the Green Bay coaching staff, why risk Rodgers running it in on the goal line when you can cram Benson in there? And why have Rodgers throw the ball 40 times when you finally have a dependable running back?

Rodgers still deserves the #1 fantasy QB moniker, but I think Benson hurts Rogers' fantasy value.

 
Rodgers threw for 300 yards vs Frisco, he'll be fine. I would be more concerned with Brady who's not getting any younger and now has lost Hernandez for a bit. Hardly benchable but these predictions of career year are distant murmurs.

 
Chandler Jones is doing more to hurt Brady's value than Ridley ever will.

The Pats never wanted to be as pass-wacky as they were in recent years; they were forced into it by their terrible defense.

 
benson had 21 touches and the offense looked atrocious. with the complicity of mccarthy, benson has destroyed one of the greatest offenses and players.

 
I think it is the defensive players adjusting on defense to the hold and grab which is not getting called by the replacement refs.

For years the rules kept leaning toward offense and not touching the receivers. Now we are seeing muggings out there, and not enough calls to enforce the rules. This is killing the QB performances.

 
GB's oline is terrible and HC mccarthy is poor at adjustments, he even admitted he watited too long to adjust the gameplan last night.

In NE they fixed the problem somewhat, but it cost them Gronkowski. Remember when Vernon Davis did nothing but block?

 
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'cvnpoka said:
benson had 21 touches and the offense looked atrocious. with the complicity of mccarthy, benson has destroyed one of the greatest offenses and players.
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This is absolutely correct and not at all insane.
 
In the first half packers couldn't get anything going and benson had 2 carries. Second half benson runs it offense does well. McCarthy said as much post game

 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
GB's oline is terrible and HC mccarthy is poor at adjustments, he even admitted he watited too long to adjust the gameplan last night.

In NE they fixed the problem somewhat, but it cost them Gronkowski. Remember when Vernon Davis did nothing but block?
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This is the problem, not Benson.
 
The Packers have played 2 ridiculous defenses in the first 3 weeks. They will begin dropping the Hammer of Thor on people offensively the rest of the way. Make hasty judgments about all Packers offensive players at your own peril.

 
'cvnpoka said:
benson had 21 touches and the offense looked atrocious. with the complicity of mccarthy, benson has destroyed one of the greatest offenses and players.
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Apparently you missed the first half where Benson had 4 touches and Green Bay gave up 8 sacks while getting shut out and barely moving the ball at all.
 
'FreeBaGeL said:
'cvnpoka said:
benson had 21 touches and the offense looked atrocious. with the complicity of mccarthy, benson has destroyed one of the greatest offenses and players.
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Apparently you missed the first half where Benson had 4 touches and Green Bay gave up 8 sacks while getting shut out and barely moving the ball at all.
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I just ate a free bagel no more than 5 minutes ago. You were delicious!
 
'BallparkFrank said:
'FreeBaGeL said:
'cvnpoka said:
benson had 21 touches and the offense looked atrocious. with the complicity of mccarthy, benson has destroyed one of the greatest offenses and players.
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Apparently you missed the first half where Benson had 4 touches and Green Bay gave up 8 sacks while getting shut out and barely moving the ball at all.
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I just ate a free bagel no more than 5 minutes ago. You were delicious!
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:mellow:
 
'Bobtender said:
IMHO... I can see a dip in Brady's numbers, still top 5 or 6 but I think the Pats would like to become more balanced time control offense. Being one dimensional hasn't worked out for them lately when they get to the playoffs. Yes, I know they were in the Superbowl last year but it was a pretty easy road to get there. Bye in the first round, totally out classed Denver in the second and had Cundiff made that chip shot in the AFC championship I think they would have lost in overtime, and that's coming from a Pats homer.Now that McDaniels is back as OC it seems like the philosophy is to become a little more of a ground control team that will shorten the games and pay off in January.With that being said, and injury to Ridley, a couple of fumbles or ineffectiveness and Brady would probably be back to throwing it 45-50 times a game.
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I have found that the one dimensional teams usually make an effort to balance out their offense in the first 4 weeks of the year. If it does not work, they will go back to their old ways and nothing will be said about this again.
 
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