They signed a few players. They are rebuilding for sure. They need to. The veterans they cut would no longer help this team and had bad contracts, and they had limited cap space. Those decisions were smart for building a team and not necessarily "tanking" (which doesn't really happen in the NFL).With Sam Darnold, USC QB, probably coming out next year, are the Jets looking for #1 draft spot? No free agent signing, letting go B Marshall, no re-signing of current players, cutting numerous vets.
Problem is 3 of 4 of these teams will probably want one of Darnoid, Josh Rosen or Josh Allen who all could be franchise type QB. Damn Mason Randolph and Luke Falk might be better than top QB this year. Great year to suck if you need QBYeah I'm not sure they are bad enough to get pick 1 with teams like Chicago, Cleveland, Rams and my top pick for the 1 spot SF
Signing McCown practically guarantees the #1 pick. Just ask the Bucs and Browns.If they were tanking why would they sign Josh McCown (who has put together some decent stretches) instead of rolling Bryce Petty out there?
Could be wrong (obviously) but I think Chicago and the Rams don't get top 5 picks next year, possibly not top 10. Unless they get Cousins I agree with SF, then the jets.Yeah I'm not sure they are bad enough to get pick 1 with teams like Chicago, Cleveland, Rams and my top pick for the 1 spot SF
Trading down isn't even remotely related to "tanking". They wouldn't be trading pick 6 for pick 24 straight up - they would just be looking to acquire more picks.I don't know if you can say they are intentionally tanking the season but they have stated that they are open to trading down in every round of the draft and they have cut a ton of large salaries off their cap.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-open-trading-nfl-draft-article-1.2988285
Jets open to trading down in every round of NFL Draft
INDIANAPOLIS - General manager Mike Maccagnan ...
... "We're open for business every round," Maccagnan said Friday. "If somebody wants to move up and we have a pick in that round, call us up. Any pick."
The Jets are in full-fledged rebuilding mode coming off a five-win season. Maccagnan has slashed his payroll by $46 million in the past couple weeks with the idea of setting a proper foundation that could help this star-crossed franchise finally achieve sustainable success.
By "some decent stretches", do you mean "a single 8 game stretch in a 13 year career"?If they were tanking why would they sign Josh McCown (who has put together some decent stretches) instead of rolling Bryce Petty out there?
Let's just call this what this is, rebuilding.Nobody can tank in the NFL. If you are a player, you are an injury or a down year away from being out of the league unless you are an elite talent. The financial cost of tanking to a player makes purposeful losing a practical impossibility.
If you are a coach, assistant coach, or front office personnel- if you tank- you will never get another job.
In no way is Todd Bowles saying: "Well, yes I'm going to tank so we can get a high draft pick."
Tomorrow is promised to no one in the NFL.
Now- if the Jets are sitting at 2-11, is it possible that a more subtle proposition, such as sitting veterans and playing rookies, ensues- than yes, but it is absurd to suggest a full six months before the first game is even played that the Jets are tanking. The financial costs are simply too high for everyone.
Uh, no. Two of themBy "some decent stretches", do you mean "a single 8 game stretch in a 13 year career"?
Well, he's two years older and apparently brittle as hell. So I'm pretty sure we'll get to see them both. And I guess his 2015 could count as a "decent stretch" but the fact that it was broken up with two different stretches of missed games kind of taints it in my mind. I know nobody likes Cutler, but I think they'd win more games with him than McCown/Petty. But now that I think about it, he's getting kind of brittle, too.Uh, no. Two of them
Compare McCown's 2015 (64%, 7.2ypa, 3:1 TD:INT ratio, 93.3 qb rating) to what you would expect out of Bryce Petty.
No - https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/753715-2017-new-york-jets-josh-mccown-set-to-earn-a-cool-15mm-extra-when-the-jets-hoist-the-lombardi/#comment-19797479Is this the ***OFFICIAL JETS 2017*** thread?
They would maybe win 4 more games, at best, with Cutler - he is better than that tandem as a talent, yes, but is also a turnover machine (and brittle now as you said).Well, he's two years older and apparently brittle as hell. So I'm pretty sure we'll get to see them both. And I guess his 2015 could count as a "decent stretch" but the fact that it was broken up with two different stretches of missed games kind of taints it in my mind. I know nobody likes Cutler, but I think they'd win more games with him than McCown/Petty. But now that I think about it, he's getting kind of brittle, too.
I just don't understand why they'd sign anyone if they're shooting for 7-9 best case scenario. Does Roger require teams to at least pretend to make an effort? To me it just looks a lot like the Kerry Collins signing by Indy when they got Luck. And for the record, I'm not 100% sure what was going on there. Part of me agrees with you that there isn't tanking in the NFL, but part of me (with the benefit/bias of hindsight) thinks Indy did tank for Luck.They would maybe win 4 more games, at best, with Cutler - he is better than that tandem as a talent, yes, but is also a turnover machine (and brittle now as you said).
Sure if you want to say that they are "tanking" in that respect by not signing the very best available option, but what's the point in spending $16MM on an aging QB with a poor reputation of getting along with teammates just to go 6-10 or 7-9? That just doesn't make sense from a team building perspective.
Indy won their last two games that season almost costing them the No. 1 overall slot.I just don't understand why they'd sign anyone if they're shooting for 7-9 best case scenario. Does Roger require teams to at least pretend to make an effort? To me it just looks a lot like the Kerry Collins signing by Indy when they got Luck. And for the record, I'm not 100% sure what was going on there. Part of me agrees with you that there isn't tanking in the NFL, but part of me (with the benefit/bias of hindsight) thinks Indy did tank for Luck.
Either way, I empathize with you Jets fans. As a Texans fan I think the only difference between the two teams is that we're in an easier division. The level of management is similarly poor between the two teams.
Tanking comes from the very top. Owner level. 1st it requires a smart owner. Usually if you are a smart owner, you don't get into this predicament however. Bowles is not at all involved in a tanking scenario. He's simply a sacrifice. He has no say. The Jets are perfectly positioned right now for Sam Darnold. If I am the owner, I am making all the calls on FA signings.Ack88 said:Nobody can tank in the NFL. If you are a player, you are an injury or a down year away from being out of the league unless you are an elite talent. The financial cost of tanking to a player makes purposeful losing a practical impossibility.
If you are a coach, assistant coach, or front office personnel- if you tank- you will never get another job.
In no way is Todd Bowles saying: "Well, yes I'm going to tank so we can get a high draft pick."
Tomorrow is promised to no one in the NFL.
Now- if the Jets are sitting at 2-11, is it possible that a more subtle proposition, such as sitting veterans and playing rookies, ensues- than yes, but it is absurd to suggest a full six months before the first game is even played that the Jets are tanking. The financial costs are simply too high for everyone.