Are the Patriots still an elite team? (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

Starting to question if the loss of Welker is bigger than anyone realized. The sample size is still very small, but if you include pre-2007 Brady has not been an elite fantasy QB at any time that he did not have Welker to throw to. It is only a handful of games post 2007, so no conclusions can be made yet, but it is worth watching.

Here is an article about the effect of Welker being out in 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/news/story?id=4794467

It is entirely possible that Welker is a much better receiver than he was credited for and it wasnt just Brady. It is also entirely possible that Brady is a far worse QB than talking heads would have you believe.

I think a larger sample size with Amendola and Gronkowski healthy and playing would be necessary to argue this successfully. The notion that great QBs can turn ground chuck into prime rib is a bunch of hyperbole.

Not sure they will both be playing at the same time ever this year. Both seem to be made of glass.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

 

[Jewell]

Irvin is right, Brady comes off as a doosh. I'm a big Pats fan but the reality is Brady shows up his teammates time and time again. He also isn't one to shoulder much of the blame. I realize the Pats will never come close to having another QB as good as him but his act is wearing thin on this fan.

In the heat of the moment Brady will get frustrated and occasionally show up his receivers. He did too much of that last night.With that said, during interviews and post-game press conferences you'll never see Brady throw teammates under the bus and you will see him shoulder the blame for his own poor play.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Irvin was trying to say if any other QB in the NFL pulled those stunts people would hate him. But not TOM. Whatever. 2 - 0.

I think he has a point.....what would everyone be saying if Cutler acted like that?

I'd be pretty shocked that Cutler would be talking to his teammates. That's pretty impressive to me.

 

[cheese]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

They know the division is garbage and they are winning this thing going away. If anyone has even a scratch on them, they can sit. I think they're being conservative with their players to have them on the field when it matters... the playoffs.

It should be noted that none of this helps you for fantasy. Real football, I think they will continue to breeze through the division and sandbag with their banged up guys.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Right now, no.

Tom Brady vs. a rookie QB

Winning the turnover battle 4-0

at home

And you still only win by 3?? That ain't elite.

But it doesn't matter if they are elite now. Thanks to that creampuff division and playing in the weaker conference, they are nearly guaranteed a first round bye and a probable appearance in the AFCCG, so all they need to do is get healthy and be playing well in January and they'll have a chance.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

They know the division is garbage and they are winning this thing going away. If anyone has even a scratch on them, they can sit. I think they're being conservative with their players to have them on the field when it matters... the playoffs.

It should be noted that none of this helps you for fantasy. Real football, I think they will continue to breeze through the division and sandbag with their banged up guys.

Your response is way off - Gronk hasn't played because he is made of screws and nails at this point.

Let me guess, Amendola missed of 20 of 32 games the prior two seasons bc the Rams were saving him?

And Vereen is out for who knows bc BB loves Ridley and Blount, not bc he has an injury that will keep him from the field for who knows how long after one week of being heavily involved.

 

[cheese]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

They know the division is garbage and they are winning this thing going away. If anyone has even a scratch on them, they can sit. I think they're being conservative with their players to have them on the field when it matters... the playoffs.

It should be noted that none of this helps you for fantasy. Real football, I think they will continue to breeze through the division and sandbag with their banged up guys.

Your response is way off - Gronk hasn't played because he is made of screws and nails at this point.

Let me guess, Amendola missed of 20 of 32 games the prior two seasons bc the Rams were saving him?

And Vereen is out for who knows bc BB loves Ridley and Blount, not bc he has an injury that will keep him from the field for who knows how long after one week of being heavily involved.

Good thing none of that is close to what I said then.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

They know the division is garbage and they are winning this thing going away. If anyone has even a scratch on them, they can sit. I think they're being conservative with their players to have them on the field when it matters... the playoffs.

It should be noted that none of this helps you for fantasy. Real football, I think they will continue to breeze through the division and sandbag with their banged up guys.

Your response is way off - Gronk hasn't played because he is made of screws and nails at this point.

Let me guess, Amendola missed of 20 of 32 games the prior two seasons bc the Rams were saving him?

And Vereen is out for who knows bc BB loves Ridley and Blount, not bc he has an injury that will keep him from the field for who knows how long after one week of being heavily involved.

Good thing none of that is close to what I said then.

 

[FUBAR]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

They know the division is garbage and they are winning this thing going away. If anyone has even a scratch on them, they can sit. I think they're being conservative with their players to have them on the field when it matters... the playoffs.

It should be noted that none of this helps you for fantasy. Real football, I think they will continue to breeze through the division and sandbag with their banged up guys.

Your response is way off - Gronk hasn't played because he is made of screws and nails at this point.

Let me guess, Amendola missed of 20 of 32 games the prior two seasons bc the Rams were saving him?

And Vereen is out for who knows bc BB loves Ridley and Blount, not bc he has an injury that will keep him from the field for who knows how long after one week of being heavily involved.

Good thing none of that is close to what I said then.

they will be fine when their best players are on the field. The question is how often that will happen. My guess is just in time for the playoffs. As much as I don't like to say it, a healthy Pats team should be able to beat the Chiefs (one of my WC choices), and will be close to the Broncos/Colts/Bengals. IF they can be healthy, they have a chance to go to the championship game. I don't think it happens, but don't count them out.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Not an elite team, need some new talent to help Brady - Bad GM'ing has put them here... Just my opinion

Amendola, a rookie TE and 3 rookie WR's aren't "new talent"?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Not an elite team, need some new talent to help Brady - Bad GM'ing has put them here... Just my opinion

Amendola, a rookie TE and 3 rookie WR's aren't "new talent"?

Let me rephrase - Need some reliable talent.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

 

[fantasycurse42]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

 

[devouredbychaos]

This team is barely mediocre.

You do realize it's only Week 2 and half of their playmakers are injured right? And they are 2-0..just saying.

Will they still be mediocre come December when they're 10-2? Besides the Broncos they're the only real threat in the AFC.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

 

[PatsFanCT]

This team is barely mediocre.

You do realize it's only Week 2 and half of their playmakers are injured right? And they are 2-0..just saying.

Will they still be mediocre come December when they're 10-2? Besides the Broncos they're the only real threat in the AFC.

Save that for the "Obvious" thread. This one is for the haters.

 

[Arwald]

Yes they are. Over the last 16 regular season games they are 13-3 or if you look at the last 16 regular+playoff games they are also 13-3. Until they begin loosing games, I will continue to view them as an elite team.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

Nothing ironic in the facts, don't be mad bro...

To answer your repetitive and somewhat rhetorical questions:

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season... He'll prob be in better shape at the end of the season then before the season, right?

Gronk has had multiple surgeries this offseason and been injury plagued since college (I own him on both of my fantasy teams as I couldnt pass the value he represented in the 6th and 7th rounds, so I'm hoping he plays 12 this season) - Please don't downplay the surgeries as routine maintenance or whatever I have heard people trying to justify them as (talking about the discectomy not the forearm stuff when i say downplay FYI).

Vereen is out for who knows how long - BB isn't the kinda guy who is going to let the real info out... Reports are indicating a long time, but who really knows.

It is pointless to go back and forth anymore, we'll meet back here after the Pats get knocked out of the divisional round this year - See you then

 

[MoveToSkypager]

pats window is closed.

The welker move was beyond stupid, the gronk/ahernan thing was bad luck.

Gronkowski already had an injury history in college. And the Pats were well aware that Hernandez was a thug criminal before drafting him. There was more than bad luck at play here.

Yeah, I was going to say this. It's not bad luck. It's how the Pats choose their players. They don't mind taking on character and health risks. You can't draft a character or health risk and when something negative happens attribute it to bad luck. That's just their personnel strategy.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

Nothing ironic in the facts, don't be mad bro...

To answer your repetitive and somewhat rhetorical questions:

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season... He'll prob be in better shape at the end of the season then before the season, right?

Gronk has had multiple surgeries this offseason and been injury plagued since college (I own him on both of my fantasy teams as I couldnt pass the value he represented in the 6th and 7th rounds, so I'm hoping he plays 12 this season) - Please don't downplay the surgeries as routine maintenance or whatever I have heard people trying to justify them as (talking about the discectomy not the forearm stuff when i say downplay FYI).

Vereen is out for who knows how long - BB isn't the kinda guy who is going to let the real info out... Reports are indicating a long time, but who really knows.

It is pointless to go back and forth anymore, we'll meet back here after the Pats get knocked out of the divisional round this year - See you then

Ok, but can you please give me the rest of the list? This kind of knowledge can win me some money!

 

[msudaisy26]

Starting to question if the loss of Welker is bigger than anyone realized. The sample size is still very small, but if you include pre-2007 Brady has not been an elite fantasy QB at any time that he did not have Welker to throw to. It is only a handful of games post 2007, so no conclusions can be made yet, but it is worth watching.

Here is an article about the effect of Welker being out in 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/news/story?id=4794467

It is entirely possible that Welker is a much better receiver than he was credited for and it wasnt just Brady. It is also entirely possible that Brady is a far worse QB than talking heads would have you believe.

Even in 2005 when he finished 2nd in fantasy scoring for quarterbacks?

 

[massraider]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

Nothing ironic in the facts, don't be mad bro...

To answer your repetitive and somewhat rhetorical questions:

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season... He'll prob be in better shape at the end of the season then before the season, right?

Gronk has had multiple surgeries this offseason and been injury plagued since college (I own him on both of my fantasy teams as I couldnt pass the value he represented in the 6th and 7th rounds, so I'm hoping he plays 12 this season) - Please don't downplay the surgeries as routine maintenance or whatever I have heard people trying to justify them as (talking about the discectomy not the forearm stuff when i say downplay FYI).

Vereen is out for who knows how long - BB isn't the kinda guy who is going to let the real info out... Reports are indicating a long time, but who really knows.

It is pointless to go back and forth anymore, we'll meet back here after the Pats get knocked out of the divisional round this year - See you then

A poor man's ITS is no way to go through life.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

Nothing ironic in the facts, don't be mad bro...

To answer your repetitive and somewhat rhetorical questions:

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season... He'll prob be in better shape at the end of the season then before the season, right?

Gronk has had multiple surgeries this offseason and been injury plagued since college (I own him on both of my fantasy teams as I couldnt pass the value he represented in the 6th and 7th rounds, so I'm hoping he plays 12 this season) - Please don't downplay the surgeries as routine maintenance or whatever I have heard people trying to justify them as (talking about the discectomy not the forearm stuff when i say downplay FYI).

Vereen is out for who knows how long - BB isn't the kinda guy who is going to let the real info out... Reports are indicating a long time, but who really knows.

It is pointless to go back and forth anymore, we'll meet back here after the Pats get knocked out of the divisional round this year - See you then

Ok, but can you please give me the rest of the list? This kind of knowledge can win me some money!

Lets be honest, you don't have any money to wager.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

Nothing ironic in the facts, don't be mad bro...

To answer your repetitive and somewhat rhetorical questions:

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season... He'll prob be in better shape at the end of the season then before the season, right?

Gronk has had multiple surgeries this offseason and been injury plagued since college (I own him on both of my fantasy teams as I couldnt pass the value he represented in the 6th and 7th rounds, so I'm hoping he plays 12 this season) - Please don't downplay the surgeries as routine maintenance or whatever I have heard people trying to justify them as (talking about the discectomy not the forearm stuff when i say downplay FYI).

Vereen is out for who knows how long - BB isn't the kinda guy who is going to let the real info out... Reports are indicating a long time, but who really knows.

It is pointless to go back and forth anymore, we'll meet back here after the Pats get knocked out of the divisional round this year - See you then

Ok, but can you please give me the rest of the list? This kind of knowledge can win me some money!

Lets be honest, you don't have any money to wager.

I'd be glad to roam the streets with a shopping cart cashing in bottles and cans if I knew who to put my $0.5 wager on for MVP's and what not. C'mon Nosta... Can I call you Nostra? Who is going to be the Offensive and Defensive rookies of the year?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

Nothing ironic in the facts, don't be mad bro...

To answer your repetitive and somewhat rhetorical questions:

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season... He'll prob be in better shape at the end of the season then before the season, right?

Gronk has had multiple surgeries this offseason and been injury plagued since college (I own him on both of my fantasy teams as I couldnt pass the value he represented in the 6th and 7th rounds, so I'm hoping he plays 12 this season) - Please don't downplay the surgeries as routine maintenance or whatever I have heard people trying to justify them as (talking about the discectomy not the forearm stuff when i say downplay FYI).

Vereen is out for who knows how long - BB isn't the kinda guy who is going to let the real info out... Reports are indicating a long time, but who really knows.

It is pointless to go back and forth anymore, we'll meet back here after the Pats get knocked out of the divisional round this year - See you then

Ok, but can you please give me the rest of the list? This kind of knowledge can win me some money!

Lets be honest, you don't have any money to wager.

I'd be glad to roam the streets with a shopping cart cashing in bottles and cans if I knew who to put my $0.5 wager on for MVP's and what not. C'mon Nosta... Can I call you Nostra? Who is going to be the Offensive and Defensive rookies of the year?

Offensive ROY is obviously going to be a 3 way split between Thompkins, Boyce, & Dobson - Ain't that right Patsfan?

 

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Starting to question if the loss of Welker is bigger than anyone realized. The sample size is still very small, but if you include pre-2007 Brady has not been an elite fantasy QB at any time that he did not have Welker to throw to. It is only a handful of games post 2007, so no conclusions can be made yet, but it is worth watching.

Here is an article about the effect of Welker being out in 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/news/story?id=4794467

It is entirely possible that Welker is a much better receiver than he was credited for and it wasnt just Brady. It is also entirely possible that Brady is a far worse QB than talking heads would have you believe.

Even in 2005 when he finished 2nd in fantasy scoring for quarterbacks?

Well that year he was WITH welker in the biblical sense.

 

[SproutDaddy]

trust me with GRONK and HERNANDEZ still running down the field this wouldn't even be a discussion.

This isn't relevant to the discussion.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Still waiting on answer from this question here and elsewhere:

Everyone who still believes in the Pats says they'll be fine when Gronk, Dola, & Vereen are all on the field.

We are in week 2, fresh from the offseason and they are plagued with injuries - Some were still injured in the offseason, some happened in preseason and week 1...

If they aren't healthy now, why on Earth do you think they would be healthy at the end of a demanding 16 game season?

Why on earth do you think they wont be?

And, while you're Nostradamusing things up in here, could you please give me a list of all the NFL players who wont be on rosters at the end of the season. I'd love to get their backups on my FF team, and maybe make some futures bets.

tia

Why don't I think they'll be healthy (even though I have already spelled it out 5x, uno mas for the you Patsfan):

I'll explain as if you were 12, although I still don't think that'll be enough...

You see, football is a contact sport, you get hit a lot... following along so far? Now in the offseason your body heals, fixes itself, you get treatment regularly that you can't during the season - If you have a group of guys that are injury prone, who happened to already be hurt in the offseason, got hurt in the preseason, week 1, or re-aggravated injuries in just one week, why would they be healthy at the end of demanding 17 week season?

You keep believing Boston George, good luck with your super bowl championship this year and your oft injured rehabilitation clinic of an offense...

Love the irony of the bolded.

BTW, you still haven't given me the names of all the players who will be injured by week 16, as you can clearly see the future. Or are the Patriots the only team playing a contact sport? Is that your angle of projection?

Nothing ironic in the facts, don't be mad bro...

To answer your repetitive and somewhat rhetorical questions:

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season... He'll prob be in better shape at the end of the season then before the season, right?

Gronk has had multiple surgeries this offseason and been injury plagued since college (I own him on both of my fantasy teams as I couldnt pass the value he represented in the 6th and 7th rounds, so I'm hoping he plays 12 this season) - Please don't downplay the surgeries as routine maintenance or whatever I have heard people trying to justify them as (talking about the discectomy not the forearm stuff when i say downplay FYI).

Vereen is out for who knows how long - BB isn't the kinda guy who is going to let the real info out... Reports are indicating a long time, but who really knows.

It is pointless to go back and forth anymore, we'll meet back here after the Pats get knocked out of the divisional round this year - See you then

Ok, but can you please give me the rest of the list? This kind of knowledge can win me some money!

Lets be honest, you don't have any money to wager.

I'd be glad to roam the streets with a shopping cart cashing in bottles and cans if I knew who to put my $0.5 wager on for MVP's and what not. C'mon Nosta... Can I call you Nostra? Who is going to be the Offensive and Defensive rookies of the year?

This is poor angle you are taking. You should also have a nicer tone.

war

 

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Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season...

Peyton Manning has missed 16 of his last 33 Regular season games.

OMG!

FBG should really allow us to vote these dip####s off the forums...

 

[fantasycurse42]

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season...

Peyton Manning has missed 16 of his last 33 Regular season games.

OMG!

FBG should really allow us to vote these dip####s off the forums...

Hey, its the guy who has spent 12% of his life on FBG in the last decade.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season...

Peyton Manning has missed 16 of his last 33 Regular season games.

OMG!

FBG should really allow us to vote these dip####s off the forums...

Hey, its the guy who has spent 12% of his life on FBG in the last decade.

Wow! You do know everything!

 

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Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season...

Peyton Manning has missed 16 of his last 33 Regular season games.

OMG!

FBG should really allow us to vote these dip####s off the forums...

Hey, its the guy who has spent 12% of his life on FBG in the last decade.

You do realize that mods play with post counts on occasion, right? Smoo used to have like 300,000 posts. You really think this guy has posted 8 Million times? He's been dead for 2 years. And THIS GUY certainly has posted -700k times.

But please, carry on dodging the facts and touting your first-level analysis. It's pretty obvious in here we're going to need to get you a shovel to get you any deeper than what your Yahoo sports fantasy homepage gifts you.

Do us all a favor and change your name to forumcurse42 so users in a year or two will know how to interpret your drivel after you've been banned from these forums.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season...

Peyton Manning has missed 16 of his last 33 Regular season games.

OMG!

FBG should really allow us to vote these dip####s off the forums...

Hey, its the guy who has spent 12% of his life on FBG in the last decade.

You do realize that mods play with post counts on occasion, right? Smoo used to have like 300,000 posts. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showuser=1506http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showuser=1506He's been dead for 2 years.

But please, carry on dodging the facts and touting your first-level analysis. It's pretty obvious in here we're going to need to get you a shovel to get you any deeper than what your Yahoo sports fantasy homepage gifts you.

No Icon, I don't realize that bc I don't spend every waking moment of the last decade here... I'll be back to this thread when the Pats don't win a SB again early in 2014...

I will be at the game regardless of who plays though - I'll send you a few pics bc my life is awesome like that

 

[FUBAR]

Congrats guys. this just might be the best worst thread in the Shark Pool.

 

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Dola has now missed 21 of his previous 34 games - It would appear his body can't hold up, go ahead argue that one bc he can survive a season...

Peyton Manning has missed 16 of his last 33 Regular season games.

OMG!

FBG should really allow us to vote these dip####s off the forums...

Hey, its the guy who has spent 12% of his life on FBG in the last decade.

You do realize that mods play with post counts on occasion, right? Smoo used to have like 300,000 posts. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showuser=1506http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showuser=1506He's been dead for 2 years.

But please, carry on dodging the facts and touting your first-level analysis. It's pretty obvious in here we're going to need to get you a shovel to get you any deeper than what your Yahoo sports fantasy homepage gifts you.

No Icon, I don't realize that bc I don't spend every waking moment of the last decade here... I'll be back to this thread when the Pats don't win a SB again early in 2014...

I will be at the game regardless of who plays though - I'll send you a few pics bc my life is awesome like that

....and someone misses the point entirely....

Congrats on the brilliant call that a +1200 team won't win the Superbowl. Any other 12 to 1 favorite ledges you'd like to leap out onto like you're Nostradamus?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Congrats guys. this just might be the best worst thread in the Shark Pool.

Was that not the desired outcome?

 

[Thunderlips]

The team is racked by injuries, so it's hard to judge (although even with Amendola and Gronk I thought this O was average)......but they don't look like they have that 01-04 swagger anymore. To me, they're too young, and they've been cut too much to the bone (injuries and FO ignorance) in regards to talent. Plus, Brady does look a doosh....and if he's expected to be the inspirational/on field leader......I think they'll be in trouble.

 

[wilked]

Those saying they are non-elite, please project their win total for this year.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Not right now.

However, they have a little time to get healthy before the playoffs.

They are an elite franchise no matter what though.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Those saying they are non-elite, please project their win total for this year.

 

[RushHour]

Not an elite team, but they are 2-0. That's all that really matters right now.

 

[ShamrockPride]

They are elite by reason of their division. Can anybody seriously think of a division that has been so pathetic over the course of a decade?

Since 2001

Jets: 96-96
Bills: 74-118
Dolphins: 88-104

It amazes me how much these franchises have struggled to progress or show any sign of improvement over a 10 year span. Tannehill, EJ, & Geno MIGHT be changing things, but still yet to be seen for certain. Looks promising though. Though I'll also say the Jets aren't going anywhere until they get Rex out of there...

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

They are elite by reason of their division. Can anybody seriously think of a division that has been so pathetic over the course of a decade?

Since 2001

Jets: 96-96

Bills: 74-118

Dolphins: 88-104

It amazes me how much these franchises have struggled to progress or show any sign of improvement over a 10 year span. Tannehill, EJ, & Geno MIGHT be changing things, but still yet to be seen for certain. Looks promising though. Though I'll also say the Jets aren't going anywhere until they get Rex out of there...

A team is not elite just because it can win its division, even if regularly. This has been consistently one of the worst divisions in the NFL since Marino retired. The Jets made a little noise for two years but whatever.

 

[Bri]

They are elite by reason of their division. Can anybody seriously think of a division that has been so pathetic over the course of a decade?

Since 2001

Jets: 96-96

Bills: 74-118

Dolphins: 88-104

It amazes me how much these franchises have struggled to progress or show any sign of improvement over a 10 year span. Tannehill, EJ, & Geno MIGHT be changing things, but still yet to be seen for certain. Looks promising though. Though I'll also say the Jets aren't going anywhere until they get Rex out of there...

A team is not elite just because it can win its division, even if regularly. This has been consistently one of the worst divisions in the NFL since Marino retired. The Jets made a little noise for two years but whatever.

the point about division is true, Chiefs were often the best and lost in the playoffs all the time under Marty yet they'd be like 13-3 or 12-4.

IDK when Marino retired, but they lost the Colts out of their division and that was a top team.

 

[ghostguy123]

They are elite by reason of their division. Can anybody seriously think of a division that has been so pathetic over the course of a decade?

Since 2001

Jets: 96-96

Bills: 74-118

Dolphins: 88-104

It amazes me how much these franchises have struggled to progress or show any sign of improvement over a 10 year span. Tannehill, EJ, & Geno MIGHT be changing things, but still yet to be seen for certain. Looks promising though. Though I'll also say the Jets aren't going anywhere until they get Rex out of there...

My vote for worst logic ever??

 

[Jercules]

Any other team, the record stands for itself: Not the Pats. 2-0 isn't good enough. That alone tells you in the grand scheme of things, they're still as 'elite' as it gets.

 

[ghostguy123]

One??? Seriously it only took ONE post to challenge for worst logic ever?

 

[wilked]

http://upgrd.com/images/upload/image/kevin/randos/545713cebaa497bdd1a3e527a11ffe69.png

 

[msudaisy26]

Hating on the AFC East this year = fail