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Are there two bigger idiot QBs than Rivers and Cutler? (1 Viewer)
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Avery
Footballguy
Chargers fans love to paint Eli as a prima donna. The truth, if you can handle the truth, is that the Mannings privately expressed concern about Eli going to a franchise that had 3 winning seasons in 20 years but went to meet with Chargers team president Dean Spanos and coach Schottenheimer to discuss it. While discussions were still underway A.J. Smith thought it best to leak the news to the media rather then continue to talk to the Mannings and convince them that the Chargers organization isn't a black hole for an NFL career thus leaving the situation irreconcilable. Anyway, get over it Chargers' fans and enjoy your face of the franchise.
thatguy
Footballguy
The point is you vastly overstated the severity and nature of his "crime" in your original post... Instead of admit that, you continue to act as though these differences are so minor as to be irrelevant, when in fact, they are quite relevant and you come across as a fool for continually ignoring them. Yes, I said continually, because unlike Cutler, you continue to do it.JuniorNB said:
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Two things:First, you think bostonfred is a Chargers fan? Or is it possible that more than just Chargers fans consider Eli a prima dona because he IS a prima dona.
Second, how does the fact that Eli went to AJ in private make his decision excusable? AJ was correct in exposing him for the pretentious ##### that he was, even though it might have hurt his value in a trade.
Edit to add: You want to compare faces?
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Avery
Footballguy
Three things:First, I never said bostonfred was a Chargers fan. Just pointing out that Chargers fan like to paint Eli as a prima donna more than most. I'm sure others do as well, but the situation obviously stick in the craw of Chargers fans a bit more.
Second, reportedly no decision was made by the Mannings before Smith decided to leak the Mannings feelings of trepidation about the Chargers to the media. It was only after the leak that the situation become irreconcilable.
Third, if it hurt Eli's trade value to the Chargers then leaking the information to the media was the wrong thing for Smith to do since he is the GM for the Chargers and should do what is best for the team and not behave like a rejected girlfriend.
The point of my thread is that both guys are arrogant punks. It was only about three posts in and I retracted the 'better than Elway' part.You act as though I suddenly made this ridiculous claim about Cutler.Google 'Cutler' and 'Punk' or 'Cutler' and 'Arrogant'. See how many hits you get.I haven't made any revolutionary claims here, guy. I know you're from Denver and still have Plummer as your avatar, but take off teh homer glasses for a minute or two and try to be realistic.
Avery
Footballguy
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
That picture gives a lot of hope to a lot of teams that don't have good QBs.
Duke1948
Footballguy
sounds to me like he kick his teams #### last week.....buyers remorse?Just Win Baby said:I want a link when someone says Rivers taunted an injured player. Without a link, I don't believe it. And from your ignorant posts about Rivers, it seems you are the one who needs to do some research.JuniorNB said:Why is everyone asking for links to everything? Rivers and Cutler both have the reputation of being arrogant, cocky punks. Is this really the first you're hearing this?If you need links to things, you do the research.
Avery
Footballguy
You hate for Eli Manning crosses way past the point of logical discussion if you still can't even concede that's he's a good QB.[/my participation in this conversation]
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Well, at least Cutler and Rivers fans can agree on one thing---this is a really stupid thread.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Of course Charger fans are more passionate about this issue. We're the team that wasn't "good enough" for Eli.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
tbbucs4eva
Footballguy
I'd love to have either in Tampa
thatguy
Footballguy
I'm well aware of the reputation Cutler has built up for himself. I am in no way supporting him here - rather, I'm criticizing your post. Big difference. But of course I'm from Denver and a fan of the Broncos, so I must be biased.Hell, if YOU Google 'Cutler' and 'Punk' and look hard enough, you might find a post of mine here on these boards where I admit that he is starting to resemble a punk. All I'm saying is let's be realistic about what it is he's actually done to deserve that label - because apparently, your dislike for him has blinded you into thinking he's far worse than he is.
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moleculo
Footballguy
NFL QB's who are bigger idiots than Rivers and Cutler:
rothlesberger - drives motorcycle w/o helmet.
Culpepper - if the play isn't "throw to Moss", he is lost.
McNabb - how does overtime work again?
Orton
Leinart and his golden opportunity wasted.
Frerotte gets a concussion.
Rosenfels - "maybe this time if I dive I won't fumble...nope."
for starters.
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rothlesberger - drives motorcycle w/o helmet.
Culpepper - if the play isn't "throw to Moss", he is lost.
McNabb - how does overtime work again?
Orton
Leinart and his golden opportunity wasted.
Frerotte gets a concussion.
Rosenfels - "maybe this time if I dive I won't fumble...nope."
for starters.
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You're confusing 'dumb' with 'arrogant punk'.None of the things you've listed above makes any of them unlikeable.
Most people know an arrogant, cocky punk or two, and we'd all agree that they are highly unlikeable.
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candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
If you were the Broncos General Manager, what Quarterback would you trade Cutler for right now straight up?
If you were the Chargers General Manager, what Quarterback would you trade Rivers for right now straight up?
I bet the list on both accounts is very short.
The guys who are better are older. The guys who are younger are worse. Cutler is 25. Rivers is 27.
From a Dynasty/Keeper perspective, the following article gives some perspective:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/94358-t...kings/show_full
I don't think either of them are idiots. I think this is a Jimmy Connors/John McEnroe type rivalry that we'll get to enjoy for a while.
It is too bad that this little twice a year rivalry didn't begin on a more respectful footing.
If you were the Chargers General Manager, what Quarterback would you trade Rivers for right now straight up?
I bet the list on both accounts is very short.
The guys who are better are older. The guys who are younger are worse. Cutler is 25. Rivers is 27.
From a Dynasty/Keeper perspective, the following article gives some perspective:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/94358-t...kings/show_full
I don't think either of them are idiots. I think this is a Jimmy Connors/John McEnroe type rivalry that we'll get to enjoy for a while.
It is too bad that this little twice a year rivalry didn't begin on a more respectful footing.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Probably because you confused "arrogant punk" with being an "idiot" in the thread title.
thatguy
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
heidbrink
Footballguy
I really don't understand the point of the OP here. OK, on a personal level he doesn't "like" these two guys...thats his perogative. But what the relevant point here? And what kind of response did he think he would get? I smell fish... 
Question to OP... Do you really care from a ff perspective whether a QB goes to church claims to throw harder than Elway (you know it could be true that he does have a stronger arm, btw)?
I do not personally take issue with either of these guys as you have; however, I would roster any primadona biotch out there if I thought they were the best FF options.
Question to OP... Do you really care from a ff perspective whether a QB goes to church claims to throw harder than Elway (you know it could be true that he does have a stronger arm, btw)?
I do not personally take issue with either of these guys as you have; however, I would roster any primadona biotch out there if I thought they were the best FF options.
I haven't read any of this thread yet, but I'm confident that I can thank JWB ahead of time for being the voice of reason.
Tau837
Footballguy
I haven't read any of this thread yet, but I'm confident that I can thank JWB ahead of time for being the voice of reason.
If you had to vote for the least likely player in the NFL to ever get arrested for anything, you'd be nuts to vote for anyone other than Rivers.
He may also be the least likely person to ever say anything disrespectful or insulting to anybody else.
Does anyone here know what he shouted in Culter's direction last year? (Hint: he wasn't actually talking to Cutler. He was talking to the Chargers defense, which just sacked Cutler. He said, "Atta baby!")
(I remember first year he started. In the first game of the season, Warren Sapp hit him just as he released the ball, and it was a completion deep down the sideline. As Rivers got up, he jawed at Sapp (after which they both visibly smiled at each other, even though Sapp's defense just got owned). My friend who was watching the game with me said, "I wonder what Rivers just said to Sapp. Probably: 'That was sure a nice hit, Mr. Sapp. Sorry about the completed pass, sir.'" It was funny because, although it's an exaggerated caricature, that is Rivers' nature. It captures how he talks, albeit in exaggerated form. He talks on the field a lot, and off the field too, but you'll never ever find a quote from him that was mean-spirited or arrogant or anything like that. That's just not him -- whatever ESPN says to the contrary.)
He may also be the least likely person to ever say anything disrespectful or insulting to anybody else.
Does anyone here know what he shouted in Culter's direction last year? (Hint: he wasn't actually talking to Cutler. He was talking to the Chargers defense, which just sacked Cutler. He said, "Atta baby!")
(I remember first year he started. In the first game of the season, Warren Sapp hit him just as he released the ball, and it was a completion deep down the sideline. As Rivers got up, he jawed at Sapp (after which they both visibly smiled at each other, even though Sapp's defense just got owned). My friend who was watching the game with me said, "I wonder what Rivers just said to Sapp. Probably: 'That was sure a nice hit, Mr. Sapp. Sorry about the completed pass, sir.'" It was funny because, although it's an exaggerated caricature, that is Rivers' nature. It captures how he talks, albeit in exaggerated form. He talks on the field a lot, and off the field too, but you'll never ever find a quote from him that was mean-spirited or arrogant or anything like that. That's just not him -- whatever ESPN says to the contrary.)
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Did you guys see Cutler yelling, "What the ****, Eddie!?!?" tonight? (It was easy to read his lips.)
I wonder if ESPN will make as big a deal out of that as they did with "Atta baby!"
No, probably not.
I wonder if ESPN will make as big a deal out of that as they did with "Atta baby!"
No, probably not.
thatguy
Footballguy
What is your point? Rivers is a saint and Cutler is a bad teammate? FWIW, I have no problem with Rivers, but he said more than just "Atta baby". I can't read lips like you, I'm not that talented, but he was talking, or I guess I should say yelling, for far longer than it takes to say "Atta baby". I don't doubt he said "Atta baby" to his defense, but he said other words to Cutler after that. We both know this. Again, so you and other Chargers fans don't poor it on, I have no problem with Rivers. But let's not pretend that what was said in that confrontation amounted to nothing more than him giving props to his defense for a job well done.
thatguy
Footballguy
And honestly, no, I don't think I would be nuts to vote for anyone but Rivers. There are a ton of very good people who play in the NFL. Rivers may be one of them, sure, but come on.Years ago, Marvin Harrison was considered one of the genuinely good guys of the league. Last off-season, all indications are that he shot somebody. The truth is, we know very little about what kind of 'people' these guys really are.
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thatguy
Footballguy
All that said, I give props to Rivers for having moved on from the whole debacle last season and actually complimenting Cutler's abilities as a QB.
And I think Cutler's inability to forget and move on from the incident is a bit childish.
Still, you're defense of Rivers is a bit overboard.
And I think Cutler's inability to forget and move on from the incident is a bit childish.
Still, you're defense of Rivers is a bit overboard.
Of course not. I had Terrell Owens (a guy I absolutely loathe) on my fantasy roster for years. I'd also gladly take Rivers and/or Cutler if they want to throw 35 TDs and 4000+ yards for me. I'll still think they're arrogant punks, though.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I've always liked Eli more for doing that.
Balance
Footballguy
This is where you should go ahead and backpeddle a little Junior.Cutler never said he was better than Elway... if he never once said it, where did you get "continually" from?You made a foolish claim and got called out, you are making yourself look worse and worse with each post defending it. The hole is only getting deeper.
I think it was post #3 that I corrected that to say he said he had a better arm, not that he's better. I then mentioned it again about a half-dozen times.I have no idea why you're having such a hard time understanding that. Should I buy an ad at teh top of teh page to retract it?
Is it a reading comprehension thing with you?I still stand by my original statement that they're both highly unlikeable, arrogant, cocky punks. That's what the thread is about. And I'm certainly not the first or only one to say that about either of them.Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Some things we learned Sunday night:
1. Despite not making the Pro Bowl, San Diego QB Philip Rivers is one of the game's elite players. During the Chargers' four-game win streak, he has thrown for 11 touchdowns with just one interception (he was 15-20 for 207 yards and two scores against the Broncos). His lowest passer rating during the streak was 96.4; each of the others was above 100.
There have been a lot of questions in San Diego about why Rivers wasn't named to the Pro Bowl, and the two primary reasons are that the team was 5-8 at the end of November, and Rivers is not widely liked among players and fans, who accounted for two-thirds of the voting.
Much of the dislike comes from two video clips: In the first, from a December 2007 win over the Broncos, he appears to be taunting Denver QB Jay Cutler from the sideline; in the second he is jawing with an Indianapolis fan during a playoff win over the Colts last season. In both cases, the images were worse than the actual banter. But why let the facts get in the way of a good fictional tale.
The truth is that if the players (and fans) who claim to dislike Rivers spent more than a Sunday afternoon with him they would learn that he does not cuss, takes being a father and husband as seriously as he does a winning QB, and has a strong religious faith. He's also passionate, emotional and competitive, each of which contributes to him being one of the league's better QBs.
If the Chargers are to beat the Colts in the first round of the playoffs, Rivers will have to outperform Peyton Manning, his decorated and Super Bowl MVP counterpart. Don't bet against him. In three career starts against Indianapolis, including the postseason, he is 2-1 with five touchdowns, three picks and a 102.1 QB rating. His lone loss was Nov. 23 of this season, but in that game Rivers was 24-of-31 passing for 288 yards and two scores, with no interceptions.
4. Cutler needs to learn that if he's going to talk the talk, he needs to walk the walk. He has spent the past year calling out Rivers at different points, saying how he doesn't like how Rivers carries himself. Well, it's probably safe to assume that Cutler would have loved to have changed cleats with Rivers on Sunday night, because Rivers was as brilliant as Cutler was dull.
Cutler threw a couple of interceptions that just killed the Broncos. One was in the end zone at the end of the first half, when a touchdown would have made it a two-score game at the break. Another was in the third quarter deep in his own territory. The pick set up a LaDainian Tomlinson touchdown that broke open the game. Cutler also got away with some silly passes, such as rolling right and trying to throw back to the far sideline. The ball was tipped and should have been intercepted.
Cutler has a tremendous arm and a lot of moxie, but he also has a tendency to get flustered when things don't go his way, such as Sunday night. Bottom line: If he's going to call out players, as he did Rivers, then he needs to step up and perform. He did not do that Sunday.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...rges/index.html
1. Despite not making the Pro Bowl, San Diego QB Philip Rivers is one of the game's elite players. During the Chargers' four-game win streak, he has thrown for 11 touchdowns with just one interception (he was 15-20 for 207 yards and two scores against the Broncos). His lowest passer rating during the streak was 96.4; each of the others was above 100.
There have been a lot of questions in San Diego about why Rivers wasn't named to the Pro Bowl, and the two primary reasons are that the team was 5-8 at the end of November, and Rivers is not widely liked among players and fans, who accounted for two-thirds of the voting.
Much of the dislike comes from two video clips: In the first, from a December 2007 win over the Broncos, he appears to be taunting Denver QB Jay Cutler from the sideline; in the second he is jawing with an Indianapolis fan during a playoff win over the Colts last season. In both cases, the images were worse than the actual banter. But why let the facts get in the way of a good fictional tale.
The truth is that if the players (and fans) who claim to dislike Rivers spent more than a Sunday afternoon with him they would learn that he does not cuss, takes being a father and husband as seriously as he does a winning QB, and has a strong religious faith. He's also passionate, emotional and competitive, each of which contributes to him being one of the league's better QBs.
If the Chargers are to beat the Colts in the first round of the playoffs, Rivers will have to outperform Peyton Manning, his decorated and Super Bowl MVP counterpart. Don't bet against him. In three career starts against Indianapolis, including the postseason, he is 2-1 with five touchdowns, three picks and a 102.1 QB rating. His lone loss was Nov. 23 of this season, but in that game Rivers was 24-of-31 passing for 288 yards and two scores, with no interceptions.
4. Cutler needs to learn that if he's going to talk the talk, he needs to walk the walk. He has spent the past year calling out Rivers at different points, saying how he doesn't like how Rivers carries himself. Well, it's probably safe to assume that Cutler would have loved to have changed cleats with Rivers on Sunday night, because Rivers was as brilliant as Cutler was dull.
Cutler threw a couple of interceptions that just killed the Broncos. One was in the end zone at the end of the first half, when a touchdown would have made it a two-score game at the break. Another was in the third quarter deep in his own territory. The pick set up a LaDainian Tomlinson touchdown that broke open the game. Cutler also got away with some silly passes, such as rolling right and trying to throw back to the far sideline. The ball was tipped and should have been intercepted.
Cutler has a tremendous arm and a lot of moxie, but he also has a tendency to get flustered when things don't go his way, such as Sunday night. Bottom line: If he's going to call out players, as he did Rivers, then he needs to step up and perform. He did not do that Sunday.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...rges/index.html
While I'm not going to completely disagree with this, I'm pretty sure he'd also like to have Tomlinson behind him than RB #8, since seven are on IR. That doesn't just effect the running game, but the blitz pick-up and overall passing game, as well.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Tomlinson has been a below average RB this season. Look at his numbers. Last night Tatum Bell was the Broncos best player. Each team's respective RB has little to do with Cutler turning the ball over in the red zone and overthrowing guys in the end zone.
Are we talking the whole season or last night?If we're talking teh whole season, I think Denver's (and Cutler's) collapse has a lot to do with the inconsistancy at running back.If we're just talking last night's game, LT was far from below average. He was extraordinary.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Stay classy 
Sure, he pretty much blamed the entire loss on his defense, but at least he didn't constantly say he was better than Elway. And he didn't cuss.Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
For the season, the Broncos have been a better running team than the Chargers. They rushed for more yards and have a higher yards per carry average. For that reason any argument that the difference between Rivers and Cutler is that Rivers has a better running game supporting him defies logic.
My point is that ESPN is stupid.I don't know what kind of person Cutler is. And I don't really care.I do think I have a pretty good feeling for what kind of person Rivers is, and it's the exact opposite of what most non-San Diegans apparently believe (since they seem to get their info on the subject from five-second snippets on network TV).thatguy said:
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Well, you can take Kurt Warner or whoever and I'll take Rivers, and I'll give you odds.thatguy said:
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I don't trust anyone that doesn't drink and curse.tommyGunZ said:
thatguy
Footballguy
As much as I hate to see a QB call out his teammates (Peyton Manning has called out his offensive line numerous times over the years, so it's not like what Cutler said is earth shattering), he's exactly right. San Diego punted once all night. Once. That's pathetic. San Diego may be for real, but last night's a** whooping of Denver really proves nothing, and that's all Cutler is saying. That said, Cutler didn't do a ton to help Denver's cause, but it has to throw off your game knowing that you have to score on virtually every possession just to stay in the game. Not many offenses could live up to that challenge.
thatguy
Footballguy
What kind of odds you talking big guy?Well, you can take Kurt Warner or whoever and I'll take Rivers, and I'll give you odds.thatguy said:
thatguy
Footballguy
Well, after the incident last season, I thought Rivers was a punk pure and simple. But from what I've read/heard on these boards and elsewhere, and seen from Rivers himself, both on the field and in interviews, I've changed my tune and I've made that clear on these boards. Again, I think he IS the bigger man right now for calling last season's incident water under the bridge while Cutler still can't seem to let it die. If Cutler makes every SD/Denver game about some personal vendetta against Rivers, it won't bode well for his or his team's success. He has some maturing up to do. But, he does speak well... he's got that going for him.
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