Are they really declaring a National Emergency on Electricity? (1 Viewer)

[Northern Voice]

let's face it, we are headed to war: https://youtu.be/icVy7Ve6y6A?si=vV3ElOZvdLnBV76G

Figured it would be this link

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[JAA]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

 

[JAA]

We certainly live in a time.

Imagine living during Eisenhower? That would have been 'a time' IMO. Todays "adversity" seems to fall somewhere between "I want a choice when it comes to modern medicine being applied to my child" and "My social media platform was down dor 37 minutes today "

 

[Northern Voice]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

They're not effectively imposing their will on anyone except their own people. They act as if no one was going to enact counter tariffs, where everyone has. Canada still has free trade with Mexico, UK, EU, Australia, etc... and a massive supply of raw materials, they don't need the USA. The US government is well aware of this and it's why they feel the need to talk about annexing Canada for access to all those materials - but discussing that any farther goes hard into political and can't happen here.

The USA doesn't need Canada either but they are moving away from everyone and going to become much more isolationist, which will prove to be an interesting case study in such a global economy. Ultimately it seems the people of the United States are most likely to bear the consequences.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

We are scheduled to go to our family’s lake cabin for a week in July. Are we going to get stones thrown at us because we are from the states?

No, we're very aware it's basically all coming from one person. I'd just caution that things that may be intended as innocent like "jokes" about 51st state would be horribly received up here right now.

Thanks
Yeah, I’ve done alot of dumb things but even I’m not that stupid

 

[The Duff Man]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

I am not convinced this is accurate.

Unless what you mean is one country will lose and the other country will lose more.

By that measure one country will lose less and thus “win” the tariff war.

Edit: just talking from an economic standpoint. If the goal of the tariff is to drive policy change in the other country and you can achieve that you can “win”

 

[Northern Voice]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

I am not convinced this is accurate.

Unless what you mean is one country will lose and the other country will lose more.

By that measure one country will lose less and thus “win” the tariff war.

I tend to agree. Who is going to win by making aluminum, automobiles etc... vastly more expensive in both countries. It's not like manufacturers can pick up and leave one country today and be set up shop in the other tomorrow. These industries are so globally interconnected, it will/would take years to see the changes in terms of large scale domestic production and in the meantime, the consumers in both markets bear a huge increase in costs of goods.

Last time the United States imposed tariffs on steel it resulted in the loss of thousands of US jobs and there is now even less American steel production than there was in 2018.

Steel Tariffs and U.S. Jobs Revisited | Econofact

The 2018 tariffs raised domestic steel prices, putting downstream U.S. manufacturing firms at a disadvantage relative to foreign competition.

econofact.org

What has been the impact of steel tariffs on jobs in these industries thus far? Estimates from a study released in December by Aaron Flaaen and Justin Pierce at the Federal Reserve Board of Governors show that by mid-2019, increased input costs due to the steel and aluminum tariffs are associated with 0.6 percent fewer jobs in the manufacturing sector than would have been the case without the tariffs. We compute that this amounts to about 75,000 fewer jobs in manufacturing attributable to the March 2018 tariffs on steel and aluminum, not counting additional losses among U.S. exporters facing tariffs other countries levied in retaliation. It is not yet possible to parse out exactly what fraction of this decline is due to steel versus the aluminum tariffs, but the higher duty on steel products (25 percent) compared to aluminum (10 percent), and observations that filings for exclusion from the steel tariffs far outpace filings for exclusions for aluminum, suggests that a substantial portion of the job losses are driven by steel tariffs.

 

[SWC]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

They're not effectively imposing their will on anyone except their own people. They act as if no one was going to enact counter tariffs, where everyone has. Canada still has free trade with Mexico, UK, EU, Australia, etc... and a massive supply of raw materials, they don't need the USA. The US government is well aware of this and it's why they feel the need to talk about annexing Canada for access to all those materials - but discussing that any farther goes hard into political and can't happen here.

The USA doesn't need Canada either but they are moving away from everyone and going to become much more isolationist, which will prove to be an interesting case study in such a global economy. Ultimately it seems the people of the United States are most likely to bear the consequences.

i feel like brexit is sort of a good comparison and five years later a majority of britans think it was a dumb idea and only 11 percent view it as a success and only 30 precent say it was teh right thing to do so i guess food for thought take that to the bank brohans

 

[Chemical X]

i sometimes wonder; is the title “jake and the fat man” allowable nowadays? maybe, jake and the guy that hasn’t yet used ozempic?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

 

[TheAristocrat]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

We are scheduled to go to our family’s lake cabin for a week in July. Are we going to get stones thrown at us because we are from the states?

No, we're very aware it's basically all coming from one person. I'd just caution that things that may be intended as innocent like "jokes" about 51st state would be horribly received up here right now.

Thanks
Yeah, I’ve done alot of dumb things but even I’m not that stupid

Username does not check out

 

[Northern Voice]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

It's easy to keep it light when it's not your country being threatened with annexation every single day. We should be able to talk about the economic side of things here at least but based on past history, I'll probably be banned again for what I've already posted so

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

I am not convinced this is accurate.

Unless what you mean is one country will lose and the other country will lose more.

By that measure one country will lose less and thus “win” the tariff war.

I tend to agree. Who is going to win by making aluminum, automobiles etc... vastly more expensive in both countries. It's not like manufacturers can pick up and leave one country today and be set up shop in the other tomorrow. These industries are so globally interconnected, it will/would take years to see the changes in terms of large scale domestic production and in the meantime, the consumers in both markets bear a huge increase in costs of goods.

Last time the United States imposed tariffs on steel it resulted in the loss of thousands of US jobs and there is now even less American steel production than there was in 2018.

Steel Tariffs and U.S. Jobs Revisited | Econofact

The 2018 tariffs raised domestic steel prices, putting downstream U.S. manufacturing firms at a disadvantage relative to foreign competition.

econofact.org

What has been the impact of steel tariffs on jobs in these industries thus far? Estimates from a study released in December by Aaron Flaaen and Justin Pierce at the Federal Reserve Board of Governors show that by mid-2019, increased input costs due to the steel and aluminum tariffs are associated with 0.6 percent fewer jobs in the manufacturing sector than would have been the case without the tariffs. We compute that this amounts to about 75,000 fewer jobs in manufacturing attributable to the March 2018 tariffs on steel and aluminum, not counting additional losses among U.S. exporters facing tariffs other countries levied in retaliation. It is not yet possible to parse out exactly what fraction of this decline is due to steel versus the aluminum tariffs, but the higher duty on steel products (25 percent) compared to aluminum (10 percent), and observations that filings for exclusion from the steel tariffs far outpace filings for exclusions for aluminum, suggests that a substantial portion of the job losses are driven by steel tariffs.

The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the poster and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of one MoP

 

[Payne]

I live about 10 minutes from the bridge to Canada (Ontario). I don't like this one bit.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

It's easy to keep it light when it's not your country being threatened with annexation every single day. We should be able to talk about the economic side of things here at least but based on past history, I'll probably be banned again for what I've already posted so

Nobody wants you banned
Can we all huddle up and get a group hug, please

FTR: I've never wanted Canada to be the 51st State, Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal have some of the prettiest sites.
I love Canada, don't misinterpret my sarcasm and light hearted approach.

They had a lady on Bill Maher from Canada last week, she was great

 

[Northern Voice]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

It's easy to keep it light when it's not your country being threatened with annexation every single day. We should be able to talk about the economic side of things here at least but based on past history, I'll probably be banned again for what I've already posted so

Nobody wants you banned
Can we all huddle up and get a group hug, please

FTR: I've never wanted Canada to be the 51st State, Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal have some of the prettiest sites.
I love Canada, don't misinterpret my sarcasm and light hearted approach.

They had a lady on Bill Maher from Canada last week, she was great

I get it and love the USA, make multiple trips a year and know the two countries are much more similar than different, it's just hard to ignore the leader saying "51st STATE" literally again yesterday and not feel threatened by it. And I do find it extremely frustrating that I'm not even supposed to acknowledge that is happening on these boards because "political".

Based on the precedent of the Ukraine/Russia thread, it should be something that can be mentioned from a fact based and economic discussion. I won't say any more because it is political beyond that, hopefully the light memes and somewhat light economic discussion can go forward in here.

 

[ChiefD]

Whistlepig

Not sure what you are talking about here but it's a call to action in more that one state.

 

[Stoneworker]

I don't blame Northern Voice one bit for his comments.

The entire thread is a gigantic political dog whistle

I mean how clever does the OP think he is when he puts "they" are declaring an emergency in the thread title and then follows it up with an animated children's video

Couldn't be more transparent

 

[MTskibum]

I don't blame Northern Voice one bit for his comments.

The entire thread is a gigantic political dog whistle

I mean how clever does the OP think he is when he puts "they" are declaring an emergency in the thread title and then follows it up with an animated children's video

Couldn't be more transparent

That was my thought from the first post as well, but I am a bad judge of these things.

 

[gianmarco]

At first this seemed far-fetched, but it's becoming a lot more clear now. It seems the US is absolutely intent on trying to annex Canada and all of this is part of a large plan to try and take it over.

It's all making more sense now

 

[the moops]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

 

[The Duff Man]

Here is something to keep it light

The Presidential Pack

One beer for every day of the Presidential Term. They are sold out

Some of the news articles about it are funny, as is the wording on the side of the container.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I feel like the new go to move here is when someone says something that someone else disagrees with is to say “politics” and ask them to stop.

It like the new laughing emoji.

It’s fascinating.

 

[Chemical X]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

It's easy to keep it light when it's not your country being threatened with annexation every single day. We should be able to talk about the economic side of things here at least but based on past history, I'll probably be banned again for what I've already posted so

i challenge you to a curling off!

 

[Chemical X]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

we’d have to even it oot by adding greenland. 52 states and then we could have a national flag redesign contest. fyi - greenland is all ice and iceland is mostly green!

 

[TheAristocrat]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

Alternatively, it could become seven states and the Senate would never be in play.

 

[Chemical X]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

Alternatively, it could become seven states and the Senate would never be in play.

can you imagine the shock when your “government” realizes french is an official language of canada, eh? no way anyone knows this.

 

[Instinctive]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

I mean FWIW it would totally be easiest to annex it as 11 states and keep most of the government structure in place.

 

[ChiefD]

I feel like the new go to move here is when someone says something that someone else disagrees with is to say “politics” and ask them to stop.

It like the new laughing emoji.

It’s fascinating.

Hey, don't bring this friendly guy into this. We need him to keep us all happy.

 

[jhib]

I live about 10 minutes from the bridge to Canada (Ontario). I don't like this one bit.

Couple hours away for me in another border state. I'm not worried one bit, because our electric and gas company has totally shown that it won't raise rates for everybody for any perceived reason at all, let alone something like this.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

It's easy to keep it light when it's not your country being threatened with annexation every single day. We should be able to talk about the economic side of things here at least but based on past history, I'll probably be banned again for what I've already posted so

i challenge you to a curling off!

The 30th state accepts the curling challenge. Make your time.

 

[Chemical X]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

It's easy to keep it light when it's not your country being threatened with annexation every single day. We should be able to talk about the economic side of things here at least but based on past history, I'll probably be banned again for what I've already posted so

i challenge you to a curling off!

The 30th state accepts the curling challenge. Make your time.

i have a top notch sweeper

 

[CletiusMaximus]

It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

Wreckless Speculation

Look at the thread title and the 1st 3 posts, let's keep it light or this will go the wrong way quickly
-I already took precautions and bought a case of Whistlepig

Sorry JAA, it's just how it looks after I edited it down, the chair recognizes Northern Voice as the writer

It's easy to keep it light when it's not your country being threatened with annexation every single day. We should be able to talk about the economic side of things here at least but based on past history, I'll probably be banned again for what I've already posted so

i challenge you to a curling off!

The 30th state accepts the curling challenge. Make your time.

i have a top notch sweeper

My neighbor was so drunk at a bonspiel last winter his rock hit the sideboard before it got to the hog line. Prepare to meet your doom.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Whistlepig

Not sure what you are talking about here but it's a call to action in more that one state.

I believe it's made in Canada, that's at least how I know the whiskey
It was a label I purposely did not purchase for (dad's liquor cabinet) at home
I enjoyed having.a label that when I went to a nice place, it was a treat to have one
Anyways I didn't want to see the price of this stuff skyrocket so I bought some of the 10yr to have on my shelf, not cheap even prior to the tariffs and threats

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Whistlepig

Not sure what you are talking about here but it's a call to action in more that one state.

I believe it's made in Canada, that's at least how I know the whiskey
It was a label I purposely did not purchase for (dad's liquor cabinet) at home
I enjoyed having.a label that when I went to a nice place, it was a treat to have one
Anyways I didn't want to see the price of this stuff skyrocket so I bought some of the 10yr to have on my shelf, not cheap even prior to the tariffs and threats

It’s made in Vermont.

 

[Stoneworker]

Whistlepig

Not sure what you are talking about here but it's a call to action in more that one state.

I believe it's made in Canada, that's at least how I know the whiskey
It was a label I purposely did not purchase for (dad's liquor cabinet) at home
I enjoyed having.a label that when I went to a nice place, it was a treat to have one
Anyways I didn't want to see the price of this stuff skyrocket so I bought some of the 10yr to have on my shelf, not cheap even prior to the tariffs and threats

It’s made in Vermont.

And aged in American oak barrels

 

[TheAristocrat]

My neighbor was so drunk at a bonspiel last winter his rock hit the sideboard before it got to the hog line.

I've texted this to a couple friends just to see what happens.

 

[GregR]

And this is why Texas' much more forward-thinking exclusive grid, untied to the rest of the world and self-providing, is the solution.

Not even all that exclusive. Texas is hooked into the Mexican power grid and sometimes buys from and sometimes sells power to them.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Whistlepig

Not sure what you are talking about here but it's a call to action in more that one state.

I believe it's made in Canada, that's at least how I know the whiskey
It was a label I purposely did not purchase for (dad's liquor cabinet) at home
I enjoyed having.a label that when I went to a nice place, it was a treat to have one
Anyways I didn't want to see the price of this stuff skyrocket so I bought some of the 10yr to have on my shelf, not cheap even prior to the tariffs and threats

It’s made in Vermont.

I told my wife all liquor originates in Canada and we needed to take a position
This is gonna throw a big monkey wrench into things

-It's a little late for this kind of feedback

 

[ChiefD]

Whistlepig

Not sure what you are talking about here but it's a call to action in more that one state.

I believe it's made in Canada, that's at least how I know the whiskey
It was a label I purposely did not purchase for (dad's liquor cabinet) at home
I enjoyed having.a label that when I went to a nice place, it was a treat to have one
Anyways I didn't want to see the price of this stuff skyrocket so I bought some of the 10yr to have on my shelf, not cheap even prior to the tariffs and threats

It’s made in Vermont.

Where the beer flows like wine.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i sometimes wonder; is the title “jake and the fat man” allowable nowadays? maybe, jake and the guy that hasn’t yet used ozempic?

Budget cuts. It's now Jake OR the fat man.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

Nope. Expansion draft. Don't get comfortable in your state. You might be on Tim Horton's and poutine this time next week.

 

[Northern Voice]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

Nope. Expansion draft. Don't get comfortable in your state. You might be on Tim Horton's and poutine this time next week.

One of those is amazing. One is absolute garbage. It's Tim Hortons that's garbage.

Canada would never be the 51st state because it would tilt things forever liberal. Trust me, I live here. Our Conservatives are multiple degrees to the left of American conservatives. We consider your American Democrat party basically right wing.

In this fairy tale world, Canada would be treated like Puerto Rico etc with no real rights.

Also, 8% of Americans support annexing Canada. It's such a stupid conversation aside from the fact that the leader of the USA keeps talking about it and there is a long history of that leader talking about things, everyone shrugging them off and then those things happen.

I really, really, really believe that annexing Canada would be where the line is drawn but I'm not fully confident based on recent history

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

Nope. Expansion draft. Don't get comfortable in your state. You might be on Tim Horton's and poutine this time next week.

One of those is amazing. One is absolute garbage. It's Tim Hortons that's garbage.

Canada would never be the 51st state because it would tilt things forever liberal. Trust me, I live here. Our Conservatives are multiple degrees to the left of American conservatives. We consider your American Democrat party basically right wing.

In this fairy tale world, Canada would be treated like Puerto Rico etc with no real rights.

Also, 8% of Americans support annexing Canada. It's such a stupid conversation aside from the fact that the leader of the USA keeps talking about it and there is a long history of that leader talking about things, everyone shrugging them off and then those things happen.

I really, really, really believe that annexing Canada would be where the line is drawn but I'm not fully confident based on recent history

Agree with your assessment of both. I spent a week in Niagara on the Lake a couple years ago and fell in love. Would summer there in retirement if it were reasonable to do so. I know that's also not so welcome there atm with housing costs what they've been.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I can't reasonably respond to most of the rest of your post without crossing lines.

 

[Northern Voice]

The 51st state thing is hilarious considering that it would become the most populous US state, garnering the most electoral votes which would most assuredly go to the democratic party

Nope. Expansion draft. Don't get comfortable in your state. You might be on Tim Horton's and poutine this time next week.

One of those is amazing. One is absolute garbage. It's Tim Hortons that's garbage.

Canada would never be the 51st state because it would tilt things forever liberal. Trust me, I live here. Our Conservatives are multiple degrees to the left of American conservatives. We consider your American Democrat party basically right wing.

In this fairy tale world, Canada would be treated like Puerto Rico etc with no real rights.

Also, 8% of Americans support annexing Canada. It's such a stupid conversation aside from the fact that the leader of the USA keeps talking about it and there is a long history of that leader talking about things, everyone shrugging them off and then those things happen.

I really, really, really believe that annexing Canada would be where the line is drawn but I'm not fully confident based on recent history

Agree with your assessment of both. I spent a week in Niagara on the Lake a couple years ago and fell in love. Would summer there in retirement if it were reasonable to do so. I know that's also not so welcome there atm with housing costs what they've been.

Ontario housing costs are batshit crazy. I am so fortunate that I was able to buy, with my wife, a house in 2006 before it went nuts.

And the disparity is stupid and symbolic of all the issues in society. We had decent, not amazing jobs in 2006, so we bought a house.

I work now with mostly people 8-10 years younger than me and they have no possible ability to "just buy a house" because it's what you do like we did.

And we did nothing, aside from be born at the right time and have okay jobs out of school. Everyone 27-34 now did the same and they have no hope of buying a house in my city/current economy. It sucks.

Edit to add: because the government will never let the housing market collapse, we're not quite set for life but the house we bought for 230k is now worth 750k or more and again, we did nothing but have an okay job (and wife with the same) at the right time.

 

[northern exposure]

i sometimes wonder; is the title “jake and the fat man” allowable nowadays? maybe, jake and the guy that hasn’t yet used ozempic?

How about TJ Hooker? Does it become TJ Sex Worker?

 

[JAA]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

They're not effectively imposing their will on anyone except their own people. They act as if no one was going to enact counter tariffs, where everyone has. Canada still has free trade with Mexico, UK, EU, Australia, etc... and a massive supply of raw materials, they don't need the USA. The US government is well aware of this and it's why they feel the need to talk about annexing Canada for access to all those materials - but discussing that any farther goes hard into political and can't happen here.

The USA doesn't need Canada either but they are moving away from everyone and going to become much more isolationist, which will prove to be an interesting case study in such a global economy. Ultimately it seems the people of the United States are most likely to bear the consequences.

Your assessments here are all short term micro. No offense, but this direction of conversation isn't interesting.

The direction I believe the conversation needs to go is exactly how businesses (the real target) will respond. I believe the goal here is to bring more jobs back to the US. It most likely take a full 4 years to see any measurable progress on this, but I believe the goal is a good one. Will the tactic work? Thats the

 

[JAA]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

I am not convinced this is accurate.

Unless what you mean is one country will lose and the other country will lose more.

By that measure one country will lose less and thus “win” the tariff war.

Edit: just talking from an economic standpoint. If the goal of the tariff is to drive policy change in the other country and you can achieve that you can “win”

I believe the economic goal, at a macro level, is to bring actual business (ie jobs) back into the US by making it too expensive to have those jobs in other countries.

 

[JAA]

I would enjoy a thread on tarrif wars. I like this one with Canada, Im super curious at how it will end. Canada is a very proud, and not stupid, nation. They know the drugs arent coming across the northern border, yet here we are.

I prescribe no judgement to any decisions being made. I have learned to measure results, not tactics. At a marco level we in the US are working hard to establish new trading principals with some of our oldest allies.

Unfortunately that discussion is impossible to have here, it's inherently political. Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone, tariffs on certain sectors and areas can make a lot of sense.

I think we all know the reason for the current tariff escalation but we can't talk about it here.

I will say that from what I've seen in American news reporting and sites where free political discussion is allowed, the thing that most American people miss is that it isn't even the tariffs that are primarily causing the anger of the Canadian people. It's the 51st state rhetoric. And that won't be forgotten for a very long time. I do think from the Canadian side the relationship is damaged for the long term. Probably not permanently but if the tariffs ended tomorrow, the US boycott would continue for at least the next few years.

I respectfully disagree that "Blanket tariffs are such a bad policy decision for everyone".

Blanket tariffs are always deterministic and never end in a tie (in a game theory vacuum). Played out to "the end" between 2 countries, one economy will win and one will lose.

How far will the American people allow the current administration to push it? That is the question I want to see answered. Our country had a military draft 55ish years ago and in no America we know today would that fly. So, how far are we in the US willing to disrupt our lives to impose our will on trading partners who rely on us?

They're not effectively imposing their will on anyone except their own people. They act as if no one was going to enact counter tariffs, where everyone has. Canada still has free trade with Mexico, UK, EU, Australia, etc... and a massive supply of raw materials, they don't need the USA. The US government is well aware of this and it's why they feel the need to talk about annexing Canada for access to all those materials - but discussing that any farther goes hard into political and can't happen here.

The USA doesn't need Canada either but they are moving away from everyone and going to become much more isolationist, which will prove to be an interesting case study in such a global economy. Ultimately it seems the people of the United States are most likely to bear the consequences.

i feel like brexit is sort of a good comparison and five years later a majority of britans think it was a dumb idea and only 11 percent view it as a success and only 30 precent say it was teh right thing to do so i guess food for thought take that to the bank brohans

All across the world countries are turning to a nationalist agenda, as opposed to a globalist one. Yes, we can get into the "political side" of that statement and then have the thread closed down so lets not do that.