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Arian Foster or Jonathan Stewart (1 Viewer)
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Which one are you getting in the trade?
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Rebirtha
Footballguy
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Insoxicated
Poorly disguised.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Actually I think it was a topic for debate in the dynasty thread.Elite talent and bad situation vs good talent/elite situation.
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djmich
Footballguy
Actually I think it was a topic for debate in the dynasty thread.Elite talent and bad situation vs good talent/elite situation.
I love the Shark Poolers jumping all over a guy thinking he's trying to disguise an ACF question when the question actually has nothing to do with his team. We're having a debate right now in the Dynasty Superthread about whether Foster was worth more in dynasty than Stewart. Go Deep just brought the question out in the Shark Pool at large to get a wider range of opinions.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Stewart. Better talent, and I don't think Foster's situation after this season is anymore certain than Stewart's.
Instinctive
Footballguy
This is moronic, it's actually an offshoot of a discussion in the dedicated Dynasty thread. Get off your high horse and find something better to do than the ######ed little good post emoticon.I would personally take Foster I think. I've been thinking about it for a while, and even though Stewart is more talented IMO, the value that Foster will present all year and potential in the next 2-5 years may well prove every bit as invaluable as anything Stewart does starting (maybe) next year or the next couple years after.I mean, what if they resign DWill? Is Stewart's value completely screwed then?Poorly disguised.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Maybe if you're not getting enough of an opinion in the dynasty thread, it isn't so super.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
you guys are ridiculous...stewart by a mile...
CaptainHook
Footballguy
seen kubiak bench enough high-performing starters to know to stay away from that backfield
I actually like Stewarts better, i think Williams is gone. I thought this before yesterdays game, but after seeing how the Panthers used the two yesterday, i am even more convinced.Foster should make great #2 RB in redraft this year, but i dont think he is the long term solution in Houston.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
can you explain why you think williams is gone after this year ?
Tau837
Footballguy
Because there is no reason for them to pay him what he will get either as a UFA or as a franchise player when they have Stewart on the roster. They can draft another guy or bring in a free agent to join Stewart and Goodson and spend the money elsewhere.
Stewart has been injured (again) all pre-season, I'm guessing that's why he didn't get many carries, not because they plan on running DWill into the ground and letting him walk.Just out of curiosity, when was your last rankings update?
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Get off your high horse and find something better to do than the ######ed little good post emoticon.Poorly disguised.
mr roboto
Footballguy
RB's have relatively short life spans. Gone are the days of the 5+ years of elite production except for a select few.
Stewart IS NOT the #1 option now, in his 3rd year on a run-happy offense. He is frequently dinged. Regardless of whether or not DWill leaves in the offseason, you really think Carolina is going to go with a 'bell cow' (hate that expression but can't think of a better way to put it) approach? Remember when everyone thought that when Foster (DeShaun) left Carolina? They promptly drafted Stewart.
Yes, Kubiak can bench guys quickly. That is concerning. But aside from Slaton (who is not built to be an every-down back) there is no competition except for Ben Tate (and if Foster keeps it up, he may not get a chance). This I know now. And with dynasty RB's, things change quickly.
I would have argued the exact same thing before he blew up BTW. Most guys in my dynasty league think I'm crazy!
Stewart IS NOT the #1 option now, in his 3rd year on a run-happy offense. He is frequently dinged. Regardless of whether or not DWill leaves in the offseason, you really think Carolina is going to go with a 'bell cow' (hate that expression but can't think of a better way to put it) approach? Remember when everyone thought that when Foster (DeShaun) left Carolina? They promptly drafted Stewart.
Yes, Kubiak can bench guys quickly. That is concerning. But aside from Slaton (who is not built to be an every-down back) there is no competition except for Ben Tate (and if Foster keeps it up, he may not get a chance). This I know now. And with dynasty RB's, things change quickly.
I would have argued the exact same thing before he blew up BTW. Most guys in my dynasty league think I'm crazy!
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Sure Stewart is hurt, but he has been hurt since he came into the league. He was hurt at the end of last year when he was ripping off 200 yard games. I just think they will use him sparingly this year, and let him take over as the starter next year. They have good depth at RB, even with Williams out of the picture, so i cant see the Panthers resigning Williams to big money. I also think if the Panthers really planned to resign Williams they would have done it already before Willimas gets closer to the big dollars.I havnt updated my rankings in a few weeks, i will hopefully get everything updated by next week.
When Williams was out last year, Stewart put up monster numbers. So yes, i think Stewart will be the "bell cow" next year with Williiams gone.
Tau837
Footballguy
Well, first off, Stewart is only 23. So his 3rd year isn't the same as most RB 3rd years. Secondly, I am expecting Fox and maybe the GM to be gone after this season. So what they have done in the past with regard to using multiple RBs may not apply with a new staff.
What I meant by that is, he had zero carries in the pre-season, so it's not surprising to me that he didn't get a ton of work in week 1, especially since they were behind and didn't run the ball all that much. If the pattern continues for the next few weeks it may mean something, but I don't think it means anything just yet.As for not re-signing Williams already, I think there are a few reasons why- the uncertainty around the CBA and injury concerns surrounding both DWill and Stewart being the main ones. I don't think they've made up their minds what direction they are planning on going at RB, I think that's going to be determined during the season.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Good point. But that is far from something we can predict (how an unknown new regime would run the backfield)
mr roboto
Footballguy
Big assumption. Definately a possibility, but most of the positives with Stewart are predicated on1. Williams being gone
2. He can overcome his injury issues
3. There will be a new coaching system who may want a feature back
Too many unknowns.
I agree with this, my point was that if he they really wanted him back next year, they would have gotten him signed by now. The closer it gets to the offseason, the less likely he is to be resigned. I think Stewart would need to seriously regress, or suffer a long term injury for them to resign Williams. The closer Williams gets to that big pay day, the more likely he is going to want to leave for more money, IMO.
It's 228 pages long and 4 years old, so I'd say it's pretty super. Sometimes, though, we natives get a little restless and decide to descend from our ivory tower to get some opinions from the masses below.
1. This is the biggest concern, but at this point, it only seems to make sense that he will be.2. Stewart has never missed a game, i think his injury problems are a bit overexagerated at this point. Plus they have good depth behing Stewart, even without Willimiams.
3. I dont think it matters who is coaching, Stewart is one of the top 5 most talented backs in the league, he will get plenty of touches if Williams is gone.
I much more concerned about Fosters long term value.
