Chicago Hooligan
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Lobary
Footballguy
Oh please. Where are you all getting this fumbling stuff? Foster doesn't have a history of fumbling, he just has a history of having ff owners talk about his supposed history of fumbling. The guy who does have a fumbling issue (Slaton) wasn't benched until midway through the season last year. And you want to talk about others overreacting?
They didn't run the ball all day though. The Texans were a pass oriented team in the 1st half and the guy only had 40 yards. The second half they ran like 8 consecutive times and marched the ball down the field, and were run oriented from that point forward. If the guy plays as well as he did in that second half, there's no reason they're not going to give him a large number of carries this year.bill bates hits hard said:
mvereb
Footballguy
I did not imply Foster will fumble next week. I'm saying it as a hypothetical. I'm saying, what happens if he starts to fumble when the bullets are live? Will Kubiak stay with him? Will he go back to Slaton, who has had a big season in the past? We don't know any of these answers and why risk it when you can just have a proven commodity instead one who has really no threat?All I'm saying is, going forward, I want Turner or Gore instead of Foster. If you are a Foster owner, you collected your points from him Week 1 and probably won. Great. But championships aren't won in Week 1. Fantasy football is just like the stock market. All players you own are assets and when an asset's value becomes high, you have to consider selling if the price is right. Come to me with a bluechipper like Michael Turner and you can have the rather unproven quantity.
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I own Foster in a Dynasty league, but I'd definitely trade him for ADP, CJ, Gore, or Rice.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Foster Never Sleeps
Lobary
Footballguy
I follow this team closely and I feel confident that I know the answer to that hypothetical. The answer is a resounding YES, Kubes will stick with him, just as he stuck with Slaton through eight games last year when Slaton was fumbling in six of them. Kubiak is loving Foster right now because he gives the offense the running game he covets. He can pound it inside or take it outside for some tough gains, he keeps his legs churning, he can catch the ball out of the backfield, and he knows his blocking assignments. Foster is the man and will continue to be the man unless he gets hurt.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
He won't see that many touches every game. The passing offense will have their games. Foster won't produce those stats again this season. Unless AJ or Schaub go down...
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Actually, Foster does indeed have a history of fumbling in college... I'm sure we'll see some fumbles this year, but it probably wouldn't be any worse than AP's fumbling...
Aren't you the guy who said that Foster has been shown to have a worse fumbling history than Slaton? Still waiting for that response....
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
No, actually this is the first time I've mentioned it, so... puzzled here..
But I'm sure his college stats won't be hard for you to find if you'd like to scout them out.Did some one hack into your account?Foster was shown earlier in the thread to have a worse history of fumbling than Slaton, and Slaton had been benched for fumbling after doing some nice things with the ball in his hand... So, if Foster's fumbling problem resurfaces, he'll likely be benched.Now mind you, Slaton's fumbles in the red zone are serious problem. You don't want to fumble, but if it's going to happen, better not be in the red zone, or when the game is on the line. That may be the more frustrating thing for Kubiak, or the deciding factor in benching Slaton.Based on what exactly? Specifics would be nice...funny. My point is I hope all you Foster owners are prepared to watch him ride the pine if he coughs up the ball...
Sweatpants
Footballguy
All aboard the Arian Foster Nation train.
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I apparently did... Seems I was referring to someone else's leg work there. I'm looking myself right now, I'll post material as I find it.
Has Jeff made a worse call as a staffer for FBG's?
I already looked, it doesn't exist because it isn't true.I also posted his college stats, which I think is a bit better than relying on one write up that he was "plagued by fumbling". He had 11 fumbles, losing 4, in 4 seasons covering 733 touches. The reason he had the "nickname" was due to the timing of the fumbles, not the frequency. Slaton has been far worse.His fumbling issues and Kubiak's "history" are so overblown, which isn't surprising since most people don't actually bother to look into it.
What part of "propensity to fumbling at critical times", "from many Tennessee fans", or "Foster was the recipient of a fumbled left-handed hand-off from injured quarterback Erik Ainge which was returned for a touchdown. Tennessee had been gaining momentum and pulled within 7 points of Florida in the second half of the game before the botched run play" shows that he has a worse history of fumbling than Slaton?I just don't get why people bother posting when they don't know the subject.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Anyone else who thought "Foster surely never had a fumbling problem", I'm not going to search any further for his college career fumbling total. Here is the google search for "Arian Foster Fumble"... There are WAAAAY to many matches.. Plenty of proof there tough, have all you want...
Google Search
Google Search
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
The subject is whether or not Foster has a propensity for Fumbling, history says yes.. Someone else actually had a career total either earlier in this thread or in another.. Foster had more career total fumbles then Slayton as per that persons research...Say whatever you want, I could care less what you think. I know some people will argue whether the print is black or dark grey.. The point is, Foster has a fumblers history, that could reserface, and his coach benched a fumbler who was blowing us away in previous seasons..
Being ignorant about it is just rude and daft on your part. I'm just showing what I've seen. Take the information into account or don't. Your choice.
Making more stuff up I see? Who said "Foster surely never had a fumbling problem"? All I said is that it's a reputation that is way overblown, just like Kubiak's reputation is.Instead of googling nonsense, why don't you check to see where "it was shown earlier in this thread that Foster had a worse history of fumbling than Slaton"? I know, you tried to completely deny it, but that didn't work out so well.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
OK, buddy, since you're obviously a bit worked up over this, I'll leave it alone. If you'd like to have an objective discussion about it, I'll certainly participate. It's not worth it to me. I'd have loved to look it over with you. But you seem hell bent on making an argument over it.. So I'm done with ya.. later..
I really don't mean to be rude, but I'll let the posts speak for themselves. You call me ignorant on the situation, yet it's crystal clear that you don't have much if any knowledge about it. When I asked if you were the guy who said "Foster was shown earlier in the thread to have a worse history of fumbling than Slaton", you flat out denied it, even when so far to say that it's the first time you've mentioned it, yet it's all there in black and white. I gave you his college career numbers, you gave me a Wiki link with some generic paragraph about it. I have no problems debating with people, but it's kind of pointless when you don't own up to your posts and basically just make stuff up.How about this- show me where it was shown that Foster has a worse fumbling history than Slaton for starters? I don't remember seeing it, and if some one did write it, they were wrong. If you're going to depend on some one else's "research", shouldn't you verify it yourself?
This is true, but it is true in every single aspect of "analysts" whether that be stock/investment analysts or fantasy football "analysts." They have a #1 goal, and it is not to provide the most helpful information to most of the people. It is to be WITH the crowd. Because if they are with the crowd and they are wrong, then they can say it was impossible to forcast since "everyone else" (the crowd) got it wrong as well. It is the safest position they can be in. It is not about performance with these people but rather perception.So take it with a grain of salt regardless of what they say. These people allergic to going out on a limb, it is just against proper business strategy.The staffers in general were way too slow on moving Foster up. I had a draft a couple weeks ago, I think they had him averaged at RB22 or so. Not sure why they had such a hard time adjusting.
RUSF18
Footballguy
As in, with numbers, and not adjectives?
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
If you could, show me Fosters career fumble total with a link to the stats, I couldn't find it.
I certainly did previously say something about his fumbling, though I didn't remember making that post. The point is his propensity for fumbles though isn't it? Not whether or not I was relying on someone else's post or whether or not I had mentioned his fumbling earlier in the thread..
It seems to be an issue that has drawn a bit of discussion so rather then attack me on it, why don't we get to the bottom of it, I'm open to the idea that Foster may not have a fumbling problem.. Though I've read quite a bit of information saying he did back in college.
I'm willing to assist in the search, if you are. I'm not interested in arguing over anything that doesn't progress the discussion.
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo
Footballguy
For what it's worth, Foster has 87 carries as a pro with 1 fumble. . .
I think it's moot at this point, anyone that drafted/signed/kept him is going to play him until he shows a reason not to. If he fumbles once every 87 carries, I don't see him losing the starting job any time soon.
I think it's moot at this point, anyone that drafted/signed/kept him is going to play him until he shows a reason not to. If he fumbles once every 87 carries, I don't see him losing the starting job any time soon.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
If he can keep performing at that level, and avoids coughing up the ball enough to impact the game, doesn't matter if he fumbles every 25 carries... If they're winning, and he's playing well... It's a non-issue...If he starts having trouble moving the ball and starts coughing it up in the red zone, costing games, I could see him being benched...
thehornet
Footballguy
are you done here? at this point, you're not adding anything. you are just trolling and annoying people with the same non-info.
Carolina,Where would you rank Foster in ppr redraft and dynasty? (# and the two rb's you would have directly in front of him)
Ahh, this really sucks!
I have 2 main leagues that i play in, both money leagues, and a third league that's with a bunch of strangers, just for fun league. In my 2 main leagues, one is a dynasty league (started this year, and i think it is what's referred to as dynasty since we get to keep around 7 players at no cost for as long as we want) while the other is redraft. The redraft league and the dynasty league are with basically the same people give or take a few. I got Arian in my redraft at pick 37 (had last pick in a 12 team league), but in my dynasty league which was literally 4 days or so after, Arian went at pick 27 or 28 if memory serves. I really wish i had gotten him in both leagues.
It sucks that in those 4 days his stock rose so much. Everyone was literally like "WTF you doing, pick 37 for Foster?!" Then in my dynasty league, 4 days later, when he went at 27, no one said a word. This tells me that in those 4 days, his stock went ballistic. People didn't consider it out of the ordinary to pick foster at 27.
I wonder what his relative value is now? I may throw some feelers out there. I'm pretty sure that i could get a Ryan Mathews, Shonne Green, Mendenhall type of player for Foster right now. But the question is, in a redraft league, would you rather have Foster or Mathews/Green/Mendenhall/etc?
I actually think i would rather have Foster. Which begs the question, should i try for more? Attempt to get Gore for Foster? It is a tough call. I wonder if anyone would actually trade a 1st round pick for Foster right now in a redraft?
I have 2 main leagues that i play in, both money leagues, and a third league that's with a bunch of strangers, just for fun league. In my 2 main leagues, one is a dynasty league (started this year, and i think it is what's referred to as dynasty since we get to keep around 7 players at no cost for as long as we want) while the other is redraft. The redraft league and the dynasty league are with basically the same people give or take a few. I got Arian in my redraft at pick 37 (had last pick in a 12 team league), but in my dynasty league which was literally 4 days or so after, Arian went at pick 27 or 28 if memory serves. I really wish i had gotten him in both leagues.
It sucks that in those 4 days his stock rose so much. Everyone was literally like "WTF you doing, pick 37 for Foster?!" Then in my dynasty league, 4 days later, when he went at 27, no one said a word. This tells me that in those 4 days, his stock went ballistic. People didn't consider it out of the ordinary to pick foster at 27.
I wonder what his relative value is now? I may throw some feelers out there. I'm pretty sure that i could get a Ryan Mathews, Shonne Green, Mendenhall type of player for Foster right now. But the question is, in a redraft league, would you rather have Foster or Mathews/Green/Mendenhall/etc?
I actually think i would rather have Foster. Which begs the question, should i try for more? Attempt to get Gore for Foster? It is a tough call. I wonder if anyone would actually trade a 1st round pick for Foster right now in a redraft?
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Hard to say. He looks pretty good after one game. I've seen him play and I like what I see. But then again, was only one game. I've seem good performances out of other RB's that weren't top 10 material. Foster certainly has a nice jumpstart on his season stats total.If I were drafting with todays knowledge in hand, I'd probably take him late first/early second round, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a world beater all season. I would hope so If I spent a 1st or 2nd rounder on him.You probably couldn't trade for him right now. His owners will be expecting the next Marshall Faulk, and potential owners are going to be afraid of the possibility that the one game doesn't tell the true story. I couldn't consider trading him right now...Harrison had a couple REALLY good games last year but has been unimpressive at times.. (most of the time) I'd like seeing a few more games...
I found a secret site that it'll give you all the info you need:www.google.comThis way you don't have to "cut through all the crap," and you can go straight to the source. Yes, i'll just assume a thank you in advance.
Typically it's up to the individual who alleges something to prove it, not the other way around. If i say you have a history of being a thief, then it really shouldn't be up to you to prove your innocence, but up to me to prove your guilt. I would need to link to arrests, convictions, etc.You've claimed that Foster has a history of fumbling. Do you have any stats to back that up? Or is this one of those i heard it somewhere so it must be true type of things? And please, nick names should never be used as proof of anything.No, actually this is the first time I've mentioned it, so... puzzled here..
Finally, some actual NUMBERS instead of all the hearsay! Thanks for digging these stats up. In 733 touches, Foster had 4 lost fumbles and 11 total fumbles. Talk about overblown! When people have to reach this far to find faults it typically means that there aren't many faults.
Regardless of which RB's you would or would not give for Foster, I wouldn't make any trade for Foster until after next week where the odds are pretty good that he will score less than this week. It would be very foolish to buy in at the peak value. Not saying he won't be great all year, just saying this is the worst time to buy. A little patience goes a long way.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I don't have to prove anything, to anyone, I'm here trying to figure the situation out, not trying to prove anyone wrong or right. Get to the point of the forum. This forum was constructed to share opinions and information... I'd really like if someone would share a link where we can see all of Foster's college stats, including the fumbles. Because I've not been able to find it.plyka said:
No one is expecting him to duplicate week 1. However, if he has merely a good game (as opposed to an outstanding one like vs the colts), then I think his value goes up. I think there is a reasonable chance of that happening.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Washington's run D seems a bit better test then Indy's.. Will be interesting to see how the game plan might change.
chook
Footballguy
I can't there's still people in here without Carolina Hustler on their ignore list.
Dude has never contributed anything in his time here other than being an A-grade troll.
Beats me why Joe & David still let him piss in the pool.
As for Foster, I'm rapt to have held on to him all this time - the kid looks like he has all the moves and should be around for a while.
Teams will plan for him better now, however.
Dude has never contributed anything in his time here other than being an A-grade troll.
Beats me why Joe & David still let him piss in the pool.
As for Foster, I'm rapt to have held on to him all this time - the kid looks like he has all the moves and should be around for a while.
Teams will plan for him better now, however.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
I noticed something in the week 2 upgrades/downgrades s
"He is now a must start in all formats as the Texans can be expected to give him the ball often now that they seem to finally have found a decent running back."
How much of a must start? Against Washington? Im curious what others think about this. I have other good options at RB and I dont want to make this a WDIS question. Just tell me your thoughts about the "Must Start" label.
"He is now a must start in all formats as the Texans can be expected to give him the ball often now that they seem to finally have found a decent running back."
How much of a must start? Against Washington? Im curious what others think about this. I have other good options at RB and I dont want to make this a WDIS question. Just tell me your thoughts about the "Must Start" label.
Cenobite
Footballguy
I have him as a must start. He will get the overwhelming majority of RB touches near the goal line. The Texans offense is very capable of moving the ball and Foster is the guy who will have to punch it in or score from inside the 20. In short I simply would not sit a workhorse running back in a very good offense.
Finding stats on college fumbles is very difficult, although it still makes sense to look before regurgitating nicknames IMO. I've looked at a bunch of different sites, including going back into individual box scores from games, but they don't list the fumbles for some reason. The stats I quoted are from this profile:Copyright NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange
Tendency to Fumble: Foster has 11 fumbles on 650 career carries, with just four of those miscues resulting in turnovers. He can carry the ball in either arm and secures it well when going through traffic. Even when he puts the ball on the ground, he has the vision to locate and recover it. He can handle pitch-outs and does a nice job of extending for the ball when working out of the backfield as a receiver. GRADE: 6.2
I added his reception totals to get the 733 touches, which I assume is accurate but don't know for sure. I'm guessing they put his total fumbles, not just fumbles on rushing attempts, but this is the only place I've seen an actual number quoted. Even if you only want to use 11 on 650, it's not horrible. FYI, that "Tendency to Fumble" grade of 6.2 is well above his overall grade of 5.72 (according to this report).
I've followed Foster since college, my good friend is a big Tennessee fan, and we've had this discussion dozens of times. He got the "nickname" due to a couple of untimely fumbles (one of which wasn't even his fault according to your Wiki link), not because of the volume of fumbles. I'm not saying he's never fumbled, just that his "problem" is way overblown. Likewise, Kubiak's "reputation" is way overblown too, having him as a coach is actually a pretty big positive for a RB IMO. I think I've backed up my claims with factual evidence in this thread, while pretty much every one on the other side just keeps throwing out nicknames and reputations without any actual evidence to back it up whatsoever.
WVU Alum
Footballguy
Completely objective observation of NFL stats (college really irrelevant at this point).
Slaton has 493 touches over 2 seasons with 10 fumbles. 1 Fumble every 49 touches.
Foster has 96 touches over 2 seasons with 1 fumble.
If you look at Slaton's healthy year he had 3 fumbles on 318 touches, or 1 fumble every 106 touches.
In his injury riddled, fumble happy season he had 7 fumbles on 171 touches, or 1 fumble for every 25 carries.
I did not factor in pre-season or week 1 of 2010. All the rest are regular season games. Use this information however you wish.
Slaton has 493 touches over 2 seasons with 10 fumbles. 1 Fumble every 49 touches.
Foster has 96 touches over 2 seasons with 1 fumble.
If you look at Slaton's healthy year he had 3 fumbles on 318 touches, or 1 fumble every 106 touches.
In his injury riddled, fumble happy season he had 7 fumbles on 171 touches, or 1 fumble for every 25 carries.
I did not factor in pre-season or week 1 of 2010. All the rest are regular season games. Use this information however you wish.
VaCatFan
Footballguy
From an article on yahoo.com:
"Houston coach Gary Kubiak presented Arian Foster with the game ball after his record-setting game against Indianapolis. Foster immediately handed it to his offensive linemen, saying they deserved the credit."
Starting to like this kid more and more.
"Houston coach Gary Kubiak presented Arian Foster with the game ball after his record-setting game against Indianapolis. Foster immediately handed it to his offensive linemen, saying they deserved the credit."
Starting to like this kid more and more.
