Assani's Poker Thread (2 Viewers)

[Zow]

Not to try to toss fuel on the fire, but I will say the majority of pros I met and ran with in the Vegas/Laughlin area pretty much always played live poker stoned. They insisted it helped them maintain the patience to play the tight game against the fish and not unnecessarily push action.

I staked or ran disproportionate chops with several knowing full well they'd be playing stoned.

 

[Otis]

"No wonder Otis has never made over $40,000 in 8 hours at his job- I never could've won that amount had I not gone into my poker match ripped."

See how this logic doesn't really work, Otis? You and me are different people- things don't affect us the same.

Big deal, brah. I made 70k playing blackjack at night online, on top of my day job.

 

[Otis]

Guy is clearly a stoner. I just thought with the way he talks about his "profession" that he didn't do it on the job. It's no wonder he's not winning WSOP -- I wouldn't win a single argument in court if I went in there ripped.

I posted every meaningful hand I played in the WSOP either here or on twitter. I'd be happy to discuss any hand history and hear from a non-stoner such as yourself how you think the hand might've played out better had I not been high.

As for setting the bar at "winning the WSOP" in order to prove that I can be successful at my job while using weed, thats absurd. Theres a ton of luck involved in winning a tournament. I have a clear history of success at my job while using weed. The fact that you couldn't be successful at your job while on weed does not change that one bit.

I saw your post where you said the last few pages were TLDR, so in case you missed it:

I was a midstakes plo8 grinder. I 24 tabled $.5/1-$3/6, it was a huge grind. When smoking at night I started watching the $5/10 and $10/20 heads up matches that would happen. After a few months I even started experimenting with smoking during the daytime and playing. By Black Friday(April 2011), I was sitting by myself every single day at $10/20 deepstaked($5000 buy in) on PokerStars and $25/50 deepstacked($10,000 buy in) on Full Tilt. I personally think I was the best HU plo8 player in the world at this time(some may disagree, but thats why we play the games). When I was playing these high stakes HU games, I was stoned quite often, including this session(my biggest win in one HU session ever): http://www.leggopoke...g-day-7979.html

None of this has anything to do with my point, but congrats on the lucky run.

 

[Parmcat]

Guy is clearly a stoner. I just thought with the way he talks about his "profession" that he didn't do it on the job. It's no wonder he's not winning WSOP -- I wouldn't win a single argument in court if I went in there ripped.

I will back you on that bet, ONLY if I get an autographed pic to add to my collection

 

[LittleLarry]

The biggest outrage of this thread is Assani has no idea how he spent $300 at the Rhino.

Maybe the memory problems are kicking in.

 

[Frostillicus]

You are the one who compared an illegal drug to anti-depressants. Tough to take anyone seriously after making that kind of comment either.

the legality of marijuna in this country is a joke. it's going to be legal soon enough.

it's also been proven to have medicinal benefits, no? what are the medicinal reasons to shoot heroin?

I hear it's pretty relaxing.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Only way to settle this: 100 hu matchups between stoned assani and otiks, then 100 hu matchups sober.

 

[Frostillicus]

Only way to settle this: 100 hu matchups between stoned assani and otiks, then 100 hu matchups sober.

This makes a lot of sense.

 

[Thorn]

Only way to settle this: 100 hu matchups between stoned assani and otiks, then 100 hu matchups sober.

Poker has too much variance for that to settle anything. I'm thinking 10,000 hu matches each way.

 

[Otis]

Only way to settle this: 100 hu matchups between stoned assani and otiks, then 100 hu matchups sober.

This makes a lot of sense.

$1 stakes?

 

[TxBuckeye]

This thread used to be interesting. When did it become a girlish-styled slap-fight? Can we at least get the thread title changed to "AFs Weed Thread" so it's more accurate?

 

[Johnnymac]

AF, just keep doing what you feel comfortable with doing. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. BTW, pot should be legal. It's harmless imo.

 

[Otis]

AF, just keep doing what you feel comfortable with doing. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. BTW, pot should be legal. It's harmless imo.

Just to be clear:

- nobody is telling Assani to change what he's doing, or to not smoke pot while he plays poker. He should keep on doing what he wants.

- most everyone in here seems to agree pot should be legal

 

[tommyGunZ]

Guy is clearly a stoner. I just thought with the way he talks about his "profession" that he didn't do it on the job. It's no wonder he's not winning WSOP -- I wouldn't win a single argument in court if I went in there ripped.

litigation <> poker

 

[fred_1_15301]

Assani- I'm curious if you ever play at lower levels (i.e. 1/2 or 2/5 NL)? I play 1/2 in AC about once or twice a month and have been tracking my results since June. In about 110 hours, I'm netting ~ $23 an hour. I think that's a good rate but is that sustainable over a long run? The players are just so bad and I've been religiously reading 2+2. I'm just wondering if I'm on a lucky run or if it's actually sustainable. Sorry for bringing up a poker question in this thread.........

 

[Otis]

Assani- I'm curious if you ever play at lower levels (i.e. 1/2 or 2/5 NL)? I play 1/2 in AC about once or twice a month and have been tracking my results since June. In about 110 hours, I'm netting ~ $23 an hour. I think that's a good rate but is that sustainable over a long run? The players are just so bad and I've been religiously reading 2+2. I'm just wondering if I'm on a lucky run or if it's actually sustainable. Sorry for bringing up a poker question in this thread.........

Have you considered smack?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Assani- I'm curious if you ever play at lower levels (i.e. 1/2 or 2/5 NL)? I play 1/2 in AC about once or twice a month and have been tracking my results since June. In about 110 hours, I'm netting ~ $23 an hour. I think that's a good rate but is that sustainable over a long run? The players are just so bad and I've been religiously reading 2+2. I'm just wondering if I'm on a lucky run or if it's actually sustainable. Sorry for bringing up a poker question in this thread.........

Have you considered smack?

Yes

 

[IC FBGCav]

Assani's ROI from FGB backing 30K in(at least)..........paid 0.00%

wtf, no! Not even anywhere remotely close to 30k. Where are you getting that number from? Most times I sell action, FBGs only buys a very small % of it. I don't know how much off top of my head, but maybe $3000 total action sold on FBGs???

And did nobody on FBGs have me in 2012 WSOP ME when I cashed for $35k?

If I'm remembering correctly(very possible I'm NOT), I sold action 3 times:

2012 WSOP ME: Cashed for $35k

2013 PokerStars SCOOP: Went 0/8, lost something like $16k

2013 WSOP ME: Did not cash(lost $10k)

But like I said, the huge majority of that was sold outside of FBGs. Am I forgetting about another time I sold action?

Tournies are high-variance. Not sure why anyone would be surprised if even a very good player goes 0-fer several WSOP events.

Yea, its really really strange to me that FUJB said "I can stand losing backing him, most people here can't"....it seems like hes the one person here who doesn't understand variance and can't handle losing. You should pretty much NEVER judge a live tournament player based upon his results, as they will never come close to having enough of a lifetime sample size for it to be meaningful. Judge a tournament player(and whether or not you should back him/her) solely based upon the way they play the hands(assuming you trust them to not lie to you about how the hands went down).

You are forgetting the ME you were backed by FBG 100%, I gave 1K so did Dodds , ........Eddie was over your shoulder giving play by play,.....sure there is a thread on here.

 

[IC FBGCav]

while I'm in here I will give one pretty cool update on poker: I'm currently on a 23 session winning streak at live poker...although after about 10 I definitely started going way out of my way to keep it going(if I'm down not leaving until I get up a tiny bit). Playing well, running well....overall things are pretty good.

Winning streak stopped at 25, was a fun run!

while I'm in here I will give one pretty cool update on poker: I'm currently on a 23 session winning streak at live poker...although after about 10 I definitely started going way out of my way to keep it going(if I'm down not leaving until I get up a tiny bit). Playing well, running well....overall things are pretty good.

How much was your 12th highest session win over that span? (mean win)

not sure off top of my head, but I'd guess just maybe $200 or $300....I'm playing short sessions often(~3 hours) on most weekdays but making it a point to play every day if I can. I've found that these shorter sessions every day keep me more focused than playing super long sessions 3 or 4 days per week.

I am IC Alkies, Cavalier and FUJB and I am sure a few others, I have met Assani and backed Assani as recent as 6 months ago........more?

Ah. Ok.

Not an Assani fan, eh?

I can stand losing backing him, most people here can't. I give here and he takes. I just want people to know what they are getting in to. He was a great member long ago, now he come here to feed ego and cash.........this is just my opinion. Plus he still owes me 3 hundred from the Rhino.

"I can stand losing backing him, most people here can't."

In large part I hate being backed by non-poker players because they suck at understanding variance, but I've actually always liked this forum's attitude and understanding of it. I think almost everyone here was fine with the times they lost money backing me(or at least didn't publicly make a big deal of it). As everyone knows, its a high risk/high reward investment where you're gonna lose money ~85% of the time.

"I just want people to know what they are getting in to. He was a great member long ago, now he come here to feed ego and cash.........this is just my opinion."

I think this(specifically the point about coming here to feed my ego) is unfair to me. When this thread started(and when I used to post here a lot), I was a young kid who was really good at logic but was far from a world-class poker player. Several of the posters here were better than me, and I learned a lot. However, after a while, I became pretty good and felt like I needed to move on to 2p2 to engage with message board posters who could teach me a lot about poker. Then after a while on 2p2 I felt like I learned a lot, and then I stopped posting about poker on 2p2(continued posting in non-poker threads there though) and started lots of poker discussions in person with guys who were known as great poker coaches(aejones of LeggoPoker being the guy who has taught me the most by far).

So when I come back into this thread every now and then, its mainly as a way to say "hi" and continue to interact with people who I have enjoyed and appreciated over the years. I'm not looking for advice or to learn(although I'm open minded, and I will never ignore someone who provides good reasons for their arguments) when I come here- I'm sorry if that comes across as me having an ego, but I've been doing this a long time and much of the advice offered drastically underestimates the amount of work I've already put in(i.e. assuming that I'm just haphazardly using marijuana instead of intently monitoring it's effects and my results).

As for coming here when I need a stake, I would've easily sold out either time without FBGs, but yes I very much can understand why it may come across as me only popping in here when I need a stake in the past year or two. I'll try to change that and stop in just to chat more often!

" Plus he still owes me 3 hundred from the Rhino. "

what is this about? If I do, I'll gladly pay....

First off I don't want anything from you. I don't know how to explain this but if I borrow 300 from someone I make it a point to remember. I was really drunk but I have a good memory. You didn't get a lapper you went to buy or smoke with a girl. For about an hour.

 

[IC FBGCav]

And to RFW, how much did Assani give you when you were down on your luck? Ask Keerock, how much I gave you.

 

[IC FBGCav]

would anyone have a problem if Assani was drinking during the tourney and/or each night before going to sleep?

if you were going to stake him in a tourney, would you also expect him to disclose that ahead of time?

Yes. If you are being staked you should be 100%, A lot of players are users and drunks and stake each other no matter what, but when you take independent money you should be 100% when you play. I have played drunk in 3000+ buyins but it was my own money.

 

[IC FBGCav]

:rantover:

 

[rabidfireweasel]

And to RFW, how much did Assani give you when you were down on your luck? Ask Keerock, how much I gave you.

Years ago, I think it was just after Katrina, I was headed into Texas for an exhibition and knew about a pretty soft game. I was pretty broke and the storm and family illness had wiped out my bankroll and frankly, most everything we had. Assani and I had never met, but had exchanged some writings about a possible poker book. Long story short, Assani just sent me a check for a grand. I suggested some different deals, him getting a cut of my winnings, different ways to protect him if I lost- but he was awesome. He wanted no deal, no worries if I lost the money, just pay it back if I could. I had a hard time cashing the check on short notice ( due to issues on my end not the check) and couldn't cash it before the game. I then just decided that my head wasn't right for poker because I just needed the money too badly and it is hard for me to play right when I am thinking about the reality of the value of the money on the table, rather than just making reads and slinging chips. I tore up the check.

However, the fact that I didn't cash the check doesn't detract from the fact that Asssani sent me a grand, no strings attached with no need to repay unless I good. He will always be good people to me.

 

[IC FBGCav]

And to RFW, how much did Assani give you when you were down on your luck? Ask Keerock, how much I gave you.

Years ago, I think it was just after Katrina, I was headed into Texas for an exhibition and knew about a pretty soft game. I was pretty broke and the storm and family illness had wiped out my bankroll and frankly, most everything we had. Assani and I had never met, but had exchanged some writings about a possible poker book.Long story short, Assani just sent me a check for a grand. I suggested some different deals, him getting a cut of my winnings, different ways to protect him if I lost- but he was awesome. He wanted no deal, no worries if I lost the money, just pay it back if I could. I had a hard time cashing the check on short notice ( due to issues on my end not the check) and couldn't cash it before the game. I then just decided that my head wasn't right for poker because I just needed the money too badly and it is hard for me to play right when I am thinking about the reality of the value of the money on the table, rather than just making reads and slinging chips. I tore up the check.

However, the fact that I didn't cash the check doesn't detract from the fact that Asssani sent me a grand, no strings attached with no need to repay unless I good. He will always be good people to me.

Well Assani sent you a check to cut a deal if you win. I just send you money to help you through your hard times. I sent it through Keesrock and it had nothing to do with poker,just to help you out. But WTF do I know, I am an #######, but I give not take.

 

[the moops]

This thread is ####### weird

 

[DrJ]

This thread is ####### weird

 

[Otis]

I want to hear more about the first recorded case of heavy marijuana use leading to improved problem solving skills, memory, and cognitive ability. Someone fire up the NewEnglandJournalOfMedicine username.

 

[DrJ]

Otis clearly doesn't get enough attention anymore, now he's attention whoring in other people's threads. Sorry that mid life wasn't all you expected it to be GB.

 

[Otis]

Otis clearly doesn't get enough attention anymore, now he's attention whoring in other people's threads. Sorry that mid life wasn't all you expected it to be GB.

lmao at several phrases here.

 

[DrJ]

Otis clearly doesn't get enough attention anymore, now he's attention whoring in other people's threads. Sorry that mid life wasn't all you expected it to be GB.

lmao at several phrases here.

You been hitting the doobies again?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

And to RFW, how much did Assani give you when you were down on your luck? Ask Keerock, how much I gave you.

Years ago, I think it was just after Katrina, I was headed into Texas for an exhibition and knew about a pretty soft game. I was pretty broke and the storm and family illness had wiped out my bankroll and frankly, most everything we had. Assani and I had never met, but had exchanged some writings about a possible poker book.Long story short, Assani just sent me a check for a grand. I suggested some different deals, him getting a cut of my winnings, different ways to protect him if I lost- but he was awesome. He wanted no deal, no worries if I lost the money, just pay it back if I could. I had a hard time cashing the check on short notice ( due to issues on my end not the check) and couldn't cash it before the game. I then just decided that my head wasn't right for poker because I just needed the money too badly and it is hard for me to play right when I am thinking about the reality of the value of the money on the table, rather than just making reads and slinging chips. I tore up the check.

However, the fact that I didn't cash the check doesn't detract from the fact that Asssani sent me a grand, no strings attached with no need to repay unless I good. He will always be good people to me.

Well Assani sent you a check to cut a deal if you win. I just send you money to help you through your hard times. I sent it through Keesrock and it had nothing to do with poker,just to help you out. But WTF do I know, I am an #######, but I give not take.

I really don't know what's going on here or why you singled me out in this weird non-sequitur. You asked me a question about Assani. I answered. You seem angry with me and I have no idea why.

Two things:

1) Assani wasn't cutting a deal with me. He was sending the money. It was generous. I thought that was a poker funding question, as that is the nature of this thread (or was).

2) I have, in many times, many threads, many places and over many years, made a general "thank you" to the good people at football guys for contributing to the FBG Katrina relief fund. It made a huge difference in my family's life. I can grind out a life of sleeping on hard floors, eating ramen, etc, but it was heartbreaking when my daughter had no crib, no books, and no stuffed animals or soft blankets.I probably have not often thanked specific individuals particularly well. So let me tell you, belatedly, but most sincerely, thank you for your generous spirit and your kindness. That gift gave us a lot of hope, when that was little something we were in short supply of.

A most genuine thank you to you.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Hey Assani,

I thought you handled the 2+2 thing with a lot of class and integrity and you definitely deserve cash over giving to charity, which it looks like you worked out a slow payment plan.

 

[Otis]

Hey Assani,

I thought you handled the 2+2 thing with a lot of class and integrity and you definitely deserve cash over giving to charity, which it looks like you worked out a slow payment plan.

Link?

 

[IC FBGCav]

John Bender posted the link in the 2013 WSOP thread on this site.

 

[Otis]

A 1600 page thread? tldnr

 

[Dickies]

Hey Assani,

I thought you handled the 2+2 thing with a lot of class and integrity and you definitely deserve cash over giving to charity, which it looks like you worked out a slow payment plan.

 

[UniAlias]

A 1600 page thread? tldnr

Wish I hadn't started. It's pretty fascinating. Only halfway through it but I really need to get to bed.

I had always heard rumors of Moneymaker going broke pretty quick, but wow. Seeing some of the text messages in that thread are simply pathetic. Pretty amazing how a guy can go from making 2.5MM along with tons in endorsement deals, to begging another degenerate bookie for more time on a sports bet.

 

[UniAlias]

A 1600 page thread? tldnr

Wish I hadn't started. It's pretty fascinating. Only halfway through it but I really need to get to bed.

I had always heard rumors of Moneymaker going broke pretty quick, but wow. Seeing some of the text messages in that thread are simply pathetic. Pretty amazing how a guy can go from making 2.5MM along with tons in endorsement deals, to begging another degenerate bookie for more time on a sports bet.

Finally caught all the way up. Wow.

 

[Joe T]

Pretty much everyone involved appears to be broke.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Pretty much everyone involved appears to be broke.

The sky is also blue

 

[Otis]

For those of us who are curious but won't go through a hundred pages, can we get a cliffs notes?

 

[John Bender]

For those of us who are curious but won't go through a hundred pages, can we get a cliffs notes?

Just read two plus two forums on a regular basis to truly see some of the ugly side of pro poker players and what degens they are. It's fascinating.

Anyway...

Chris Moneymaker makes a 20k bet and loses.

Bookie involved can't collect and starts making some noise.

Moneymaker ("MM") posts a thread stating he didn't pay because he was aware this bookie was basically free rolling and owed lots of people money.

One of the people owed money was Asanni on a thousand dollar hockey bet. Asanni entered thread, worked out a payment plan with the guy.

Others came forward and knew this bookie didn't pay out bets.

MM didn't think it was right to pay his bet if the bookie wasn't paying others, MM received proof from bookie off line that the bookie does have the money to pay off bets and he's not a free roller.

MM decides he will pay him. Then something happened in the past few days where now he feels he shouldn't pay the debt once again. Not sure why exactly.

That's where we are at today.

Bookie also clearly dodged Assanis collection efforts multiple times.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

For those of us who are curious but won't go through a hundred pages, can we get a cliffs notes?

Basically the same thing happened as with Tim and Dr Gobbler, Moneymaker being the Dr

 

[UniAlias]

For those of us who are curious but won't go through a hundred pages, can we get a cliffs notes?

Just read two plus two forums on a regular basis to truly see some of the ugly side of pro poker players and what degens they are. It's fascinating.

Anyway...

Chris Moneymaker makes a 20k bet and loses.

Bookie involved can't collect and starts making some noise.

Moneymaker ("MM") posts a thread stating he didn't pay because he was aware this bookie was basically free rolling and owed lots of people money.

One of the people owed money was Asanni on a thousand dollar hockey bet. Asanni entered thread, worked out a payment plan with the guy.

Others came forward and knew this bookie didn't pay out bets.

MM didn't think it was right to pay his bet if the bookie wasn't paying others, MM received proof from bookie off line that the bookie does have the money to pay off bets and he's not a free roller.

MM decides he will pay him. Then something happened in the past few days where now he feels he shouldn't pay the debt once again. Not sure why exactly.

That's where we are at today.

Bookie also clearly dodged Assanis collection efforts multiple times.

As of last night MM posted that he now has sufficient proof that the other party was solvent at the time his bets were made, and he will be settling the debt. It's been back and forth quite a few times, but I think it may finally be settled now. It's a bit ironic that the primary issue is MM believed he was being freerolled so he refused to pay, but judging from his text exchanges he didn't really have the funds to pay at the time either. Don't get me wrong, 15k is a decent amount of money.. it's just surprising that two guys with such a long history of high level poker and gambling are making/taking bets neither of them can apparently afford to pay. Such a weird situation.

Anyway, hopefully MM settling up his debt expedites Assani getting his 2k immediately rather than on a payment plan. I found it kind of ridiculous that the guy owed Assani 2k from 18 months ago, and despite being such a big shot gambler and owning a restaurant in NYC he has to pay in installments.

 

[Joe T]

For those of us who are curious but won't go through a hundred pages, can we get a cliffs notes?

Just read two plus two forums on a regular basis to truly see some of the ugly side of pro poker players and what degens they are. It's fascinating.

Anyway...

Chris Moneymaker makes a 20k bet and loses.

Bookie involved can't collect and starts making some noise.

Moneymaker ("MM") posts a thread stating he didn't pay because he was aware this bookie was basically free rolling and owed lots of people money.

One of the people owed money was Asanni on a thousand dollar hockey bet. Asanni entered thread, worked out a payment plan with the guy.

Others came forward and knew this bookie didn't pay out bets.

MM didn't think it was right to pay his bet if the bookie wasn't paying others, MM received proof from bookie off line that the bookie does have the money to pay off bets and he's not a free roller.

MM decides he will pay him. Then something happened in the past few days where now he feels he shouldn't pay the debt once again. Not sure why exactly.

That's where we are at today.

Bookie also clearly dodged Assanis collection efforts multiple times.

As of last night MM posted that he now has sufficient proof that the other party was solvent at the time his bets were made, and he will be settling the debt. It's been back and forth quite a few times, but I think it may finally be settled now. It's a bit ironic that the primary issue is MM believed he was being freerolled so he refused to pay, but judging from his text exchanges he didn't really have the funds to pay at the time either. Don't get me wrong, 15k is a decent amount of money.. it's just surprising that two guys with such a long history of high level poker and gambling are making/taking bets neither of them can apparently afford to pay. Such a weird situation.

Anyway, hopefully MM settling up his debt expedites Assani getting his 2k immediately rather than on a payment plan. I found it kind of ridiculous that the guy owed Assani 2k from 18 months ago, and despite being such a big shot gambler and owning a restaurant in NYC he has to pay in installments.

Exactly my takeaway. The bookie guy, Jason Young, Chris Moneymaker, and Assani all were made to look like they were very short on cash. Pretty sad really.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I realize it's part of the culture, but i could never loan degens money that often.

 

[encaitar]

That was a strange thread. Like others said, it's sad to see a guy that wins $2.5 million plus a ton of endorsements(along with freerolls in practically every tourney he's played since) being in a spot where he can't pay a 15k debt.

One thing that didn't make sense to me(and maybe it was explained somewhere in the thread. I skimmed most of it) is why does Moneymaker owe Jason Young any money at all? From the wording of it all, JY was just an agent for the bookie. Others in that thread that are owed money from that bookie were told by Jason Young that the bookie skipped town so he couldn't pay them. Why would Moneymaker owe money to Jason Young when there is no bookie around anymore? Maybe I'm failing at understanding the whole relationship between bookie and agent since I do all my sports betting online, but enlighten me if you will.

 

[Abraham]

I don't understand how mm figured he didn't owe his bets. If a company is cash strapped and having trouble paying vendors that doesn't give customers a right to not pay the original company for services rendered. How is this different?

 

[UniAlias]

I don't understand how mm figured he didn't owe his bets. If a company is cash strapped and having trouble paying vendors that doesn't give customers a right to not pay the original company for services rendered. How is this different?

It's a bit different when that "company" is an illegal gambling service leaving the customer no legitimate means to obtain their money back. Considering there were other people who were owed money at the time, Moneymaker felt that he never would've been paid had he won. In his opinion (at the time), it was basically a scam.

 

[Abraham]

Ok, I guess. But I would think that in that sector being know as a guy that pays his bets would go a really really long way for future action.