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DepthCharts
Footballguy
Crabtree - "give him the nipple"
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I would vote for Sanchez.
That said, is it really asking too much to at least list Jairus Byrd as an option? He deserves more consideration than half of the guys on your list.
That said, is it really asking too much to at least list Jairus Byrd as an option? He deserves more consideration than half of the guys on your list.
Ditto, kid has 6 INT's already
yellowdog
Footballguy
Jairus Byrd would have to be considered for the Defensive Rookie of The Year, which is a separate award. I will edit the title to reflect Offensive ROY.
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
agreed
ummm except his poll is about offensive ROTY so ... yeah ... bird doesn't belong
Harvin is having an incredible rookie season for a WR. Sanchez has been rock solid to for a rookie QB. Hakeem Nicks is a distant third. Sanchez is probably more valuable to his team, but I think Harvin is more likely to be a regular pro-bowler. It really depends on the criteria. If it is just talent wise, I would go with Harvin being a more elite talent. If it is value to the team, you have to go Sanchez.
theglorydays
Footballguy
He has 7 interceptions. Darren Sharper tied him last night by picking off a pass on a hail mary...
Wu-banger
Footballguy
Sanchez ... sure he has had some clunkers but he has been good from the start playiing a very difficult position in a tough division.
Harvin has way less weight on his shoulders as he is surrounded by HOF'ers.
His performance is a nice fit to what the Vikings need but I would have to give the nod to Sanchez
Harvin has way less weight on his shoulders as he is surrounded by HOF'ers.
His performance is a nice fit to what the Vikings need but I would have to give the nod to Sanchez
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
I went with Harvin and I don't even think there is a close 2nd so far.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
The "offensive" part was added after our posts.ummm except his poll is about offensive ROTY so ... yeah ... bird doesn't belong
MCguidance
Footballguy
Harvin
Sanchez
In that order as of now.
Sanchez
In that order as of now.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Harvin. That was almost too easy. No one else is close.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I thought about Percy Harvin. But then I thought, you know, Percy Harvin's been amazing. Of course, there's also Percy Harvin to consider. But in the end, I realized Percy Harvin is probably the best choice.
strong
Footballguy
my league awards 1 pt for 20 return yards--harvin is by far the number one receiver
in the real nfl, he's added such a great option for that team--as he develops, you'll start to see a little more trickery with how they decoy him with peterson and they'll get freaky efficient on offense
in the real nfl, he's added such a great option for that team--as he develops, you'll start to see a little more trickery with how they decoy him with peterson and they'll get freaky efficient on offense
What Harvin hs done for the Vikings, you cannot really quantify with numbers. In pretty much every close game, he has personally swung the momentum back into the Vikings favor with huge kick returns and clutch catches on 3rd down. He has been as valuable to the Vikings, in terms of making plays to put them in a potition to win, as anyone on that team.
Resident A
Footballguy
Does Special Teams play even count toward "Offensive Rookie of the Year" voting?
If not, Harvin doesn't have a real chance. He's been decent on offense, but his major contributions have been in the return game.
If not, Harvin doesn't have a real chance. He's been decent on offense, but his major contributions have been in the return game.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I would go Sanchez and it's not even close. Next up the list would be Harvin. Crabtree has a shot at moving up but when it's all done I would be shocked if it's not Sanchez.
I was going to say this. I wouldn't say that Harvin doesn't have a chance strictly on offense, though. I think the other choice would be Hakeem Nicks, who actually has fewer receptions and fewer receiving yards (and zero rushing yards), although Nicks does have one more TD so far.I don't think Sanchez should even be in the conversation here. This isn't the offensive "Solid for a rookie" of the year award. It's the offensive "exceptional for a rookie" of the year award. And Sanchez hasn't even been solid for a rookie- Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Ben Roethlisberger... just a few of the many names of QBs who have been better as rookies than Sanchez has so far.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Maclin is quietly putting up decent numbers and can't be ignored.
There's an ORoY award, and a DRoY award, but no STRoY award. I could see someone arguing that you can't factor ST accomplishments into ORoY or DRoY voting. I mean, if he plays a snap at CB sometime (a la Randy Moss or Tony Scheffler in obvious hail mary situations), are we going to give him the DRoY award, too, based on his special teams accomplishments?
thatguy
Footballguy
Agreed. A few weeks ago I think Moreno was in the mix, but he has slowed significantly. He could still make a strong push, but it's easily Harvin's to lose at the moment. For Crabtree to have a chance, he'll have to finish VERY strong to make up for the time missed and the sour taste he has no doubt left in the mouths of the voters. It's possible, but not likely, especially with Harvin showing no signs of slowing down (in fact, it appears he's just getting warmed up). Nicks could also make a push, but he would have to substantially outproduce Harvin's receiving numbers (which isn't likely) to be considered since he doesn't have the added element of return duties. Ditto that for Maclin.AhrnCityPahnder said:Crusaderfan said:
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jurb26
Footballguy
Well, he is officially on the roster as an offensive player. I'm not sure, but I think that pretty much seals his fate. I suppose someone could argue that ST isn't part of the offense so he shouldn't get credit for it. I doubt it though. Regardless, he is having a good season as a WR.
thatguy
Footballguy
Are you being serious? Do you really not think the voters will take his special teams accomplishments into consideration? How could they not?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I think Harvin does enough offensively to win ORoy. Crabtree might pass him on merit but I ultimately think the voters will penalize (punish) him for his holdout. Wells or Moreno could steal it with strong 2nd half showings.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
:( I thought this poll was schtick; I am suprised anyone thinks it is a debate.OK, we can go infinite directions with what ifs for the next 8 weeks; but the first 8 were clear cut.Crusaderfan said:
From a FF perspective in our league Mark Sanchez is the total points leader for rookies with 118.15pts, but he's not an every game starter. With Harvin at 2nd with 98.8 pts but he's been in the lineup every week as a good flex option so I'd vote him as MVP.
3.Austin Collie - 87pts
4.Hakeem Nicks - 81.8
5.Johnny Knox - 81
6.Matthew Stafford - 77.5
7.Knowshon Moreno - 77.4
8.Mike Wallace - 75.8
9.Jeremy Maclin - 69.2
10.Somebody nobody's talking about Brian Cushing - 67
Defense
1. Brian Cushing - 67
2.James Laurinaitis - 60
3.Louis Delmas - 51.5
4.Jairus Byrd - 50
5.Aaron Curry - 44.5
3.Austin Collie - 87pts
4.Hakeem Nicks - 81.8
5.Johnny Knox - 81
6.Matthew Stafford - 77.5
7.Knowshon Moreno - 77.4
8.Mike Wallace - 75.8
9.Jeremy Maclin - 69.2
10.Somebody nobody's talking about Brian Cushing - 67
Defense
1. Brian Cushing - 67
2.James Laurinaitis - 60
3.Louis Delmas - 51.5
4.Jairus Byrd - 50
5.Aaron Curry - 44.5
mozzy84
Footballguy
you're kidding right?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You really think a QB completing 53% of his passes, with 8 TDs and 10 INTs, is the best offensive rookie, going away?
Why's it so crazy? Devin Hester was a first-team AP All Pro returner as a rookie and set pretty much every single-season returning record in the book. He didn't get a single vote for DRoY. Now, I know that Harvin is more involved on offense than Hester was on defense that year, but if special teams accomplishments were weighted as heavily as actual offensive/defensive accomplishments, Hester would have been a runaway winner. I think it's fair to question whether, when crunch time arrives, voters will actually give full consideration to his special team accomplishments, partial consideration to his special team accomplishments, or no consideration whatsoever to his special team accomplishments.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Yes I do. Considering that 8 of his 10 INTs came in 2 terrible games and the rest of his starts he's been solid to good(8 TDs and 2 INTS plus 3 rushing TDs) at the most difficult and valuable position in the NFL. If you were a GM would you trade away Sanchez right now for Harvin? No way I would. Sanchez has been the most impressive offensive rookie this season, the OROY.
mozzy84
Footballguy
but made absolutely zero impact on defense (or offense) and he didnt look good out there when he did actually play defense (not to mention ryans was a flat out stud that year as a rookie abd probably had every single vote). Harvin has had a clutch 3rd down catch pretty much every game and he has looked great catching the ball, breaking tackles after the catch and his route running has been getting better every week. He is going to end up with a TON of total yardage AND probably around 60 catches.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How many Jets games have you watched this season?
You're exactly right. Hester made no impact on defense, and the voters didn't even consider his special teams accomplishments, so he didn't receive a vote. The key here is the part where the voters didn't even consider his special teams accomplishments.I'm not saying that Harvin doesn't deserve the ORoY. I'd give it to him based solely on his performance on offense so far, with no attention paid to his special teams work. I'm just saying that I think it's fair to question how much voters will weight his special teams work when it comes time to vote.
thatguy
Footballguy
Return yards and TD's are intuitively looked at as offensive statistics. It makes sense that Hester's special teams accomplishments would not do anything toward making his case for DRoY. Were he a WR his rookie season who also returned punts/kicks, I think he'd have received a few votes for ORoY. Special teams may be separate from offense, but punt/kick return yards and TDs have to be, at least intuitively, considered offensive stats given that 1) return yards give the offense more favorable field position, and 2) return TD's put points on the board.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Trading a QB for a WR is a bad comparison, as it never happens; their values are completely different (a QB is almost always more valuable than a WR). As for his two bad games, they are probably the reason why a team with a defense that is 2nd overall in total defense and a running game that is first in the NFL is only 4-4. Yes, he has played well at times, and could have a bright future ahead of him, but I just don't see him being the best offensive rookie so far this season.
when the play starts and you have the ball and all 11 guys on the other team are trying to stop you and seem to struggle to do it on a regular basis, you are an offensive weapon. I dont think this even close right now. harvin and the sanchez for now. If the jets continue to lose, well then not sure sanchez gets to many votes.Resident A said:
Sanchez is more important to his team, so if Sanchez could lead the Jets to the playoffs, he is probably the most valuable rookie to his team. Harvin has been more spectacular, and excells at his position much more than Sanchez. Harvin is a dangerous player who can score from anywhere, while Sanchez is a lower tier QB. Harvin is a much better WR than Sanchez is a QB, so Harvin will get many more votes.
trader jake
Footballguy
MIN WR Percy Harvin is the easy choice. Love the special teams doesn't factor in argument...nonsense.
Others that need some mention...
BAL OL Michael Oher - the Ravens offense has been much better than last season
CLE WR Mohamed Massaquoi - his numbers are solid considering what offense he plays in
Others that need some mention...
BAL OL Michael Oher - the Ravens offense has been much better than last season
CLE WR Mohamed Massaquoi - his numbers are solid considering what offense he plays in
