Athlete Turns Her Back on the Flag During National Anthem (1 Viewer)

[KarmaPolice]

The whole link merry-go-round is silly.  I wondered myself why a link wasn't provided as I had no idea what was being referenced.  You are getting pushed in the back when not looking in the schoolyard...recognize it for what it is lol.  That stuff happens a lot here on both sides.

I think this is a valid point, but imo I think it seems you are going somewhere with it that is overly basic (imo), and is probably a much bigger discussion.

I'm also not a fan of digging up what people have said in the past.  I tend to be understanding and forgiving when I see these things...very much based on the context, the age, the persons views today, etc.  I have no pitchfork at the ready for Ms. Berry.  But the information is irrelevant and it seems artificial to ignore it.  

Berry is a public figure who has labeled herself an activist athlete, particularly around race, specifically taking very visible actions to represent this.  This automatically makes her background relevant, the same way that #### Hannity said 10yrs ago about race is relevant.  This is not people uncovering crap about KP to get him fired from his accounting job. 

Berry made these comments around the age of 20 (2012), she began her activism in 2014.  I personally give some leeway based on her age, but this is not 40yrs ago when "times were different" and she clearly around this time was very socially/politically active and aware.  Most relevant to me...she is saying things that are distasteful and racist hitting on exactly the very issues that she is claiming to publicly fight for (at least for her race)...I don't see how that doesn't influence how you think of her as it is is at best extremely hypocritical.

So I guess tell me how/why this is about sides...ideally without the proverbial "some people".  There are some people that would like to see Berry dead and some that would like to see her enshrined atop mount Rushmore.  I'd rather not argue for or against those people anymore than I'd want to argue if dog #### tastes good or not (its a terrible take lol). 

Good points as always, especially the bolded.   I get it, and agree at the least it's hypocritical. 

Like I said, I don't have a magical cutoff.  I did a quick scan of recent stuff after this broke and got an idea of who she was.   Your point is taken that they at least point to some hypocrisy, but like I said (maybe to a fault) I tend to give people a bit of a pass on stupid #### they said in college.   I would be far more interested if was recent, and that's what I thought the comments were about and I missed it.  

My comment about sides was about what I see as both groups of people seem to do the same #### that I don't like about the internet:  dig up decades old ####, label them X, and call for their jobs/livelihood and only seem to think it's bad when it's done to their group.  I fully understand that you consider this a bit different because she chooses to stick her neck out there, but IMO the tone and intent is the same.  

 

[djmich]

My comment about sides was about what I see as both groups of people seem to do the same #### that I don't like about the internet:  dig up decades old ####, label them X, and call for their jobs/livelihood and only seem to think it's bad when it's done to their group.  I fully understand that you consider this a bit different because she chooses to stick her neck out there, but IMO the tone and intent is the same.  

Yep, there are a crap ton of hypocrites.  It’s frustrating.  I personally do the best I can to not let others hypocrisy cloud my willingness to form a view on each case regardless of side.

Im also good with pointing out visible hypocrisy.  But “other people” stuff is too circular for me. 
 

 

[knowledge dropper]

This is despicable.  98-year old WWII veteran plays the anthem on a harmonica and they can’t even honor it.  I’d rather have them kneel than turn their backs. 
 

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/07/05/watch-several-members-of-u-s-womens-soccer-team-turn-away-from-the-flag-as-wwii-vet-plays-anthem/

 

[Mile High]

This is despicable.  98-year old WWII veteran plays the anthem on a harmonica and they can’t even honor it.  I’d rather have them kneel than turn their backs. 
 

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/07/05/watch-several-members-of-u-s-womens-soccer-team-turn-away-from-the-flag-as-wwii-vet-plays-anthem/

As usual you get the truth wrong.

No, U.S. women’s soccer team did not disrespect a WWII veteran playing national anthem.

The Post Millennial, a Montreal-based conservative online news site, instigated a faux controversy Monday night by claiming video shows the U.S Women’s soccer team “turn their backs to [a] 98-year-old WWII vet playing the national anthem.”

In reality, most of the team was turned toward the American flag in front of them. Others, with hands on hearts, watched 98-year-old World War II veteran Pete DuPre deliver a beautiful rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner” on a harmonica.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/article252588388.html

 

[KarmaPolice]

As usual you get the truth wrong.

No, U.S. women’s soccer team did not disrespect a WWII veteran playing national anthem.

The Post Millennial, a Montreal-based conservative online news site, instigated a faux controversy Monday night by claiming video shows the U.S Women’s soccer team “turn their backs to [a] 98-year-old WWII vet playing the national anthem.”

In reality, most of the team was turned toward the American flag in front of them. Others, with hands on hearts, watched 98-year-old World War II veteran Pete DuPre deliver a beautiful rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner” on a harmonica.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/article252588388.html

PLEASE don't tell me this completely unbiased, non-MSM news outlet would be trying to slant this story to rile up their right leaning base.  

 

[The General]

This is despicable.  98-year old WWII veteran plays the anthem on a harmonica and they can’t even honor it.  I’d rather have them kneel than turn their backs. 
 

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/07/05/watch-several-members-of-u-s-womens-soccer-team-turn-away-from-the-flag-as-wwii-vet-plays-anthem/

You have been duped. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

As usual you get the truth wrong.

No, U.S. women’s soccer team did not disrespect a WWII veteran playing national anthem.

The Post Millennial, a Montreal-based conservative online news site, instigated a faux controversy Monday night by claiming video shows the U.S Women’s soccer team “turn their backs to [a] 98-year-old WWII vet playing the national anthem.”

In reality, most of the team was turned toward the American flag in front of them. Others, with hands on hearts, watched 98-year-old World War II veteran Pete DuPre deliver a beautiful rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner” on a harmonica.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/article252588388.html

Maybe YOU need to educate yourself before jumping in with your insults.  #2 and #11 clearly did not have their hands on their hearts and those are the two players being pointed out. 
 

https://youtu.be/RJUOpRcECQw

 

[Mile High]

Maybe YOU need to educate yourself before jumping in with your insults.  #2 and #11 clearly did not have their hands on their hearts and those are the two players being pointed out. 
 

https://youtu.be/RJUOpRcECQw

So you're moving the goalposts from.

This is despicable.  98-year old WWII veteran plays the anthem on a harmonica and they can’t even honor it.

That they turned their backs to the flag.

When in fact they turned towards the flag. So your problem is a couple didn't have hands over their hearts as they faced the flag?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Maybe YOU need to educate yourself before jumping in with your insults.  #2 and #11 clearly did not have their hands on their hearts and those are the two players being pointed out. 
 

https://youtu.be/RJUOpRcECQw

YouTube videos like that is how you educate yourself? 

Also, please tell me we aren't to the point where we are supposed to be upset anytime anybody doesn't have their hand over their heart.   That's 1/2 the population probably. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

YouTube videos like that is how you educate yourself? 

Also, please tell me we aren't to the point where we are supposed to be upset anytime anybody doesn't have their hand over their heart.   That's 1/2 the population probably. 

Call me crazy but I prefer video evidence to an editorial article quoting team publicists.  The poster’s reply was the two faced the flag with hands over hearts.  That was obviously not true.  

 

[The General]

Call me crazy but I prefer video evidence to an editorial article quoting team publicists.  The poster’s reply was the two faced the flag with hands over hearts.  That was obviously not true.  

The players were looking at the flag. They were not disrespecting the guy playing the anthem. The article was some hate porn, picked up by an outlet that uses this as a business model. Straight trash. 

 

[squistion]

The players were looking at the flag. They were not disrespecting the guy playing the anthem. The article was some hate porn, picked up by an outlet that uses this as a business model. Straight trash. 

Daniel Dale @ddale8 18m

After running the baseless claim in a headline, Breitbart News ran an "update" that framed this as a he-said, she-said kind of thing -- "US women's soccer team denies claim" rather than "our story about the US women's soccer team was bad." (2/3)

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1412409647122759690 (Breitbart before and after headlines at link)

 

[Navin Johnson]

Maybe YOU need to educate yourself before jumping in with your insults.  #2 and #11 clearly did not have their hands on their hearts and those are the two players being pointed out. 

Almost spit up on my keyboard

 

[knowledge dropper]

Daniel Dale @ddale8 18m

After running the baseless claim in a headline, Breitbart News ran an "update" that framed this as a he-said, she-said kind of thing -- "US women's soccer team denies claim" rather than "our story about the US women's soccer team was bad." (2/3)

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1412409647122759690 (Breitbart before and after headlines at link)

Daniel Dale?  Dear Lord. 

 

[Mile High]

The players were looking at the flag

Exactly.  They were facing the flag. If you have issues with the two not covering their hearts, then say that. Not some bs about disrespecting a 98 year old veteran. 

 

[squistion]

Daniel Dale?  Dear Lord. 

He does fact checking for CNN.

He posted a photo of the two Breitbart headlines, the before and after. 

Was there anything wrong or inaccurate about that tweet?

 

[knowledge dropper]

He does fact checking for CNN.

He posted a photo of the two Breitbart headlines, the before and after. 

Was there anything wrong or inaccurate about that tweet?

Fact checking for CNN is an oxymoron. He’s just carrying water for the soccer team.  

 

[squistion]

Fact checking for CNN is an oxymoron. He’s just carrying water for the soccer team. 

Was there anything false, inaccurate, or misleading in that tweet about Breitbart changing their headline after running that baseless claim?

 

[AAABatteries]

I'm not sure I'm following what conclusion this may draw you to?

Let's say you are correct and she was surprised the anthem, which she clearly has issues with based on all the history we are aware of, was played.  Then what?

One would be a somewhat thoughtful protest that I disagree with but the other is a selfish look-at-me - both are potentially worthy of being kicked off the team.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have to admire the Trump party ability to find outrage wherever they look.

Some USWNT players turn to face the flag: "I am outraged that they turned away from the 97 yo veteran playing the national anthem on a harmonica!!!!"

Some USWNT players continue to face the 97 yo veteran playing the national anthem on a harmonica: "I am outraged that they did not turn to face the flag!!!!"

Its outrageous!

 

[KarmaPolice]

I have to admire the Trump party ability to find outrage wherever they look.

Some USWNT players turn to face the flag: "I am outraged that they turned away from the 97 yo veteran playing the national anthem on a harmonica!!!!"

Some USWNT players continue to face the 97 yo veteran playing the national anthem on a harmonica: "I am outraged that they did not turn to face the flag!!!!"

Its outrageous!

Hey, don't forget anybody who doesn't put their hand over their heart and stand straight up!! 

 

[Mile High]

Its outrageous!

 Beyond outrageous,  it's despicable. 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:
I have to admire the Trump party ability to find outrage wherever they look.

Some USWNT players turn to face the flag: "I am outraged that they turned away from the 97 yo veteran playing the national anthem on a harmonica!!!!"

Some USWNT players continue to face the 97 yo veteran playing the national anthem on a harmonica: "I am outraged that they did not turn to face the flag!!!!"

Its outrageous!
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Hey, don't forget anybody who doesn't put their hand over their heart and stand straight up!! 

I find it despicable and outrageous that the harmonica player failed to remove his hat while playing the anthem, remained seated in his wheelchair, and had neither hand over his heart.

 

[Godsbrother]

Was there anything false, inaccurate, or misleading in that tweet about Breitbart changing their headline after running that baseless claim?

I'll be surprised if you get a reply on this one.

 

[GoBirds]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shes-gonna-her-im-gonna-132000341.html

Good to see the gold medalists in this event get some attention and hear about her love for our country. Glad to see how well she handled it. 

 

[The General]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shes-gonna-her-im-gonna-132000341.html

Good to see the gold medalists in this event get some attention and hear about her love for our country. Glad to see how well she handled it. 

Great response from her. Everyone should handle it this well:

Whenever I stand for the flag, I think about all of the people who died before us," Price said about standing during the playing of the national anthem. "I think about anyone who sacrificed anything for me, and it just makes me cry every time — every time I hear it. That's one thing I love [about] America is that we have freedom of speech."

Despite trying to "avoid" talking about Berry's protest, Price said Berry and she have been "very, very close" for years and that they've known each other for over a decade.

"When I stand for the flag, I stand for the people, and so to me ... we're good, I'm fine. She's gonna do her, I'm gonna do me, and we both talk about it, and we've had our conversation," Price said.

 

[belljr]

Yes those monsters on the soccer team turned to the flag with hands on heart. They all clapped, then they all had the nerve to sign a ball and everyone shake the man's hand.

 

[The General]

Yes this monsters on the soccer team turned to the flag with hands on heart. They all clapped, then they all had the nerve to sign a ball and everyone shake the man's hand.

They really should be required to hand stitch the flag while riding an eagle into the stadium. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

They really should be required to hand stitch the flag while riding an eagle into the stadium. 

Should have done a full Zuckerberg

 

[Amused to Death]

Hey, don't forget anybody who doesn't put their hand over their heart and stand straight up!! 

I do not put my hand over my heart during the anthem, however I do remove my hat and stand respectfully facing the flag.

I also don't say "under god" when I recite the pledge of allegiance.

 

[supermike80]

The players were looking at the flag. They were not disrespecting the guy playing the anthem. The article was some hate porn, picked up by an outlet that uses this as a business model. Straight trash. 

Whats a true shame is they have put themselves in a position with all their garbage that a story like this can be believed.  JUst play the game and keep quiet. That goes for ALL Sports. Don't care if black or white, female or male, tranny or not.  

 

[The General]

Whats a true shame is they have put themselves in a position with all their garbage that a story like this can be believed.  JUst play the game and keep quiet. That goes for ALL Sports. Don't care if black or white, female or male, tranny or not.  

Got to disagree with this take on a couple points. Story was linked from Breitbart, that is a basically a parody site. Not the player's fault some trash website picks up a story.

As to athlete's talking, protesting, what have you, they can talk all they want in my book. Have at it. Can always ignore them if you chose to. As you'd expect many of them are pretty terrible to listen to but there are quite a few that are pretty great.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Whats a true shame is they have put themselves in a position with all their garbage that a story like this can be believed

I think this says a lot.

Most people did not "believe" the story...

 

[Amused to Death]

Whats a true shame is they have put themselves in a position with all their garbage that a story like this can be believed.  JUst play the game and keep quiet. That goes for ALL Sports. Don't care if black or white, female or male, tranny or not.  

Or some might say its a shame that a click-bait site would twist a story to fit an agenda and so many believe it without fact checking. Even worse, some post the click-bait to message boards because it fits their narrative. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

Or some might say its a shame that a click-bait site would twist a story to fit an agenda and so many believe it without fact checking. Even worse, some post the click-bait to message boards because it fits their narrative. 

....while bemoaning the state of MSM, how people gobble up whatever they read, how they don't think for themselves, etc..    

 

[supermike80]

....while bemoaning the state of MSM, how people gobble up whatever they read, how they don't think for themselves, etc..    

Just so were clear. I do t believe they were doing anything offensive.   But their stupidity in the past is what makes this even a story

 

[Sand]

As to athlete's talking, protesting, what have you, they can talk all they want in my book. Have at it. Can always ignore them if you chose to. As you'd expect many of them are pretty terrible to listen to but there are quite a few that are pretty great.

About 4 years ago I happened to be at the same hotel as the women's team.  They were all out and about when I was walking around the hotel.  "Pretty great" doesn't even come close - what a glorious walkabout...

 

[supermike80]

About 4 years ago I happened to be at the same hotel as the women's team.  They were all out and about when I was walking around the hotel.  "Pretty great" doesn't even come close - what a glorious walkabout...

I'm not sure if I should be offended here 

 

[BladeRunner]

I'm not sure if I should be offended here 

I'm sure what he meant by "pretty great" was that they were all very smart.

I know @Sand would not be so sexist as to imply that women are beautiful.  I mean, that's the lowest of the low of insults. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

One would be a somewhat thoughtful protest that I disagree with but the other is a selfish look-at-me - both are potentially worthy of being kicked off the team.

From my admittedly limited understanding there is not the playing of the national anthem during the medal ceremonies, but it is played at a predetermined time (or times) during the day.  So assuming this is true there would have been no reason to plan a protest during that the playing of the anthem.  And while I have only seen a few stills it doesn't look like a spur of the moment "activism".  

From the reports the anthem normally played at 6.  On this day they were told the "anthem would be played before going out".  When I first read that I took it as a "heads up to them" that the playing of the anthem was coming.  But in reading what she said about it and the fact that the anthem was played 6:05 (or whatever) I think she is saying that the anthem was supposed to have played at 6, and then their medal ceremony was to follow.  Which is why I think this was a spoiling my moment, moment.   

Now she (they) could have been told "before going out" that the "anthem would be played" but she just interpreted it as the "anthem would be played before", but either way the information was presented it still seems unlikely that this was much of a protest.

 

[ekbeats]

One would be a somewhat thoughtful protest that I disagree with but the other is a selfish look-at-me - both are potentially worthy of being kicked off the team.

Is it my imagination or have you gotten more Conservative over the last few years?

 

[djmich]

Is it my imagination or have you gotten more Conservative over the last few years?

Ha, I think AAA has only moved slightly more left the last few years which relatively speaking means he's now a Nazi.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Ha, I think AAA has only moved slightly more left the last few years which relatively speaking means he's now a Nazi.

We don’t joke about Nazis here. 
 

thanks 

 

[Summer Wheat]

Gwen won`t have to worry about the NA.

Gwen Berry failed to medal during the women’s hammer throw finals on Tuesday. Berry finished in a dismal eleventh place out of twelve competitors, registering a distance of 71.35 meters. 

 

[Godsbrother]

Gwen won`t have to worry about the NA.

Gwen Berry failed to medal during the women’s hammer throw finals on Tuesday. Berry finished in a dismal eleventh place out of twelve competitors, registering a distance of 71.35 meters. 

Good.

 

[AAABatteries]

Is it my imagination or have you gotten more Conservative over the last few years?

Sorry I missed this previously - I think I was serving a TO.

I don’t think anybody who knows me IRL would say I’m more Conservative - an observer would say I’m drastically more liberal but honestly I feel like I’m about the same.  I think both parties are broken, I think most people are good people, I think the Uber rich are ruining things in a lot of ways (as an aside, that was why I liked many of the things Bernie was selling), I think our 2-party system is crap, I think people should be left alone to do whatever they want (in the bedroom, in their places of worship and with their hobbies) as long as it’s not hurting others, I think we are both at the same time one of the greatest countries on earth but also have room to grow and be a leader.

I think Jan. 6th was one of the worst days in our history, I think the rioting was horrible, I think Joe Biden shouldn’t have run for President and I think Trump was easily the worst President of my lifetime.  I think people should get the vaccine and just wear a damn mask, I think we collectively should actually give a damn about the homeless and our vets and immigrants.  I think healthcare shouldn’t be tied to employment and no one should have to worry about getting sick or going bankrupt if they do.

I could go on but my point is - I don’t fit any group classically and I have no interest in being labeled a Conservative or a Liberal.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

Sorry I missed this previously - I think I was serving a TO.

I don’t think anybody who knows me IRL would say I’m more Conservative - an observer would say I’m drastically more liberal but honestly I feel like I’m about the same.  I think both parties are broken, I think most people are good people, I think the Uber rich are ruining things in a lot of ways (as an aside, that was why I liked many of the things Bernie was selling), I think our 2-party system is crap, I think people should be left alone to do whatever they want (in the bedroom, in their places of worship and with their hobbies) as long as it’s not hurting others, I think we are both at the same time one of the greatest countries on earth but also have room to grow and be a leader.

I think Jan. 6th was one of the worst days in our history, I think the rioting was horrible, I think Joe Biden shouldn’t have run for President and I think Trump was easily the worst President of my lifetime.  I think people should get the vaccine and just wear a damn mask, I think we collectively should actually give a damn about the homeless and our vets and immigrants.  I think healthcare shouldn’t be tied to employment and no one should have to worry about getting sick or going bankrupt if they do.

I could go on but my point is - I don’t fit any group classically and I have no interest in being labeled a Conservative or a Liberal.  

It feels like a good portion of people feel this way around here.   So.... get ready to be labeled a commie lefty.   

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It feels like a good portion of people feel this way around here.   So.... get ready to be labeled a commie lefty.   

Now do the four years where you guys accused anyone that didn't lose their mind over Trump

 

[woodstock]

Sorry I missed this previously - I think I was serving a TO.

I don’t think anybody who knows me IRL would say I’m more Conservative - an observer would say I’m drastically more liberal but honestly I feel like I’m about the same.  I think both parties are broken, I think most people are good people, I think the Uber rich are ruining things in a lot of ways (as an aside, that was why I liked many of the things Bernie was selling), I think our 2-party system is crap, I think people should be left alone to do whatever they want (in the bedroom, in their places of worship and with their hobbies) as long as it’s not hurting others, I think we are both at the same time one of the greatest countries on earth but also have room to grow and be a leader.

I think Jan. 6th was one of the worst days in our history, I think the rioting was horrible, I think Joe Biden shouldn’t have run for President and I think Trump was easily the worst President of my lifetime.  I think people should get the vaccine and just wear a damn mask, I think we collectively should actually give a damn about the homeless and our vets and immigrants.  I think healthcare shouldn’t be tied to employment and no one should have to worry about getting sick or going bankrupt if they do.

I could go on but my point is - I don’t fit any group classically and I have no interest in being labeled a Conservative or a Liberal.  

Feelings mean ####. You are, politically, what positions you hold. Your political "feelings" have practical import, which means they have to be enacted or funded in some way, which, given your predilection, makes you a man of the left. Lots of people don't "feel" cruel, or selfish, or leftist, or stupid, or whatever as they walk through life, but they are. That's really too bad you don't "feel" like a left-winger. You are. 

The comments that liked your post are telling. They show a basic lack of understanding of the political and how it comes to be.  

HTH. 

 

[woodstock]

Any time you try and exert pressure or compulsion over your fellow man, as in say, taxation, you're being political. Where you sit along the spectrum of things is no longer up to you but for your declarations about how you plan and how deeply you plan to compel their labor, time, energy, whatever. 

To think this won't get you labeled is indicative of a real problem we have and a fundamental disconnect. It is the first step towards tyranny. Those that do not get that are fools and pie-in-the-sky wishers away of their own complicity in the law and the laws, and their place within it. 

You are indeed pretty much putting yourself out there to be called a commie pinko lefty once you start talking about government health care and making people's labor time subject to the state. 

But this level of abstraction is probably lost here.