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In $100 cap, he may have to spend $50 ro $60 to get Johnson.
:confused: What fool is going to spend half his cap on one guy? NOBODY is worth that.Re. the studs vs balance thing, there is not right answer, but lately I'm leaning to getting a top stud or 3 and praying I get good value w/the rest. Had LT last year and to a large extent he carried me while guys like R Moss and Favre were sucking. Course getting Dunn on the cheap didn't hurt.....
I'm not advocating spending 50% of your cap on one player. But one poster said he never spends more than 10% of his cap on one player. I said that I didn't see how he could get a premium player with that strategy.
 
:goodposting:

Auction is the only way to go.

My most successful strategy last year was to spend no more than 10% on any one player.  Well, I didn't actually set out to make that my strategy.  I just stuck with my anticipated prices and didn't let the outrageous inflation set me off.  I ended up with a very good and fantastically deep roster, finished as the regular season champion.
I like this strategy but there is one thing I am concerned about... you say you were the regular season champion, so I have to believe you lost in the playoffs and did not win it all.This is my only concern with this type of strategy, you build a real solid team but get smoked in the playoffs when you go up against another team with a stud player or 2 and because you didn't pay to get one of these guys you don't have enough fire power unless that stud player has a below average game. That and during the season, you struggle each week with who to start because you have so much depth. (The key here is to take that depth and trade it for a stud or 2, but what if you are unable to pull off a trade?)
You can't win the Championship if you don't make the Playoffs. In my opinion, a balanced team gives you a greater chance to make the post-season. It allows you to cover for injuries and bye weeks. It also allows you to play favorable match-ups as opposed to blindly following the "never bench your studs" theory. If you are worried about having to make some tough calls on which players to start week to week, then you might want to grow a pair. The trading part or possible lack of it shouldn't be too much of a worry if you've filled out your team with a nice mix of solid players and players with a nice amount of upside. Our League is notorious for making very few trades and I managed to make one last season because I had enough talent on my bench to make the deal happen. I don't worry about teams with one or two studs beating me too much because for that to happen there studs have to have big games plus probably another player or two and most of my team would have to play below average. The only "advantage" I see for the Stud theorists is that they are usually much more willing to hit the waiver wire early since they had to fill out there roster with $1 players.
 
Just for a contrarian viewpoint on some of the points mentioned in this thread, the following is an article I wrote for the FBG book a couple of years ago. It's likely to get skewered by you guys, but the principles have worked for me over time.

Anti-Establishment Auction Drafting Strategies

The very fact that you are reading this article means you’re serious about Fantasy Football. You and I are always searching for the edge that will separate us from the other sharks in our leagues. Let’s face it. If you’re in a competitive league (or three), many owners start with the same basic projections and strategies and go from there.

How you strategies and projections differentiate yourself from the rest of the owners in your league will determine your fate. This article will deal with what may seem to be counter-intuitive strategies in terms of auction style player allocation. However, as founder and commissioner of the PFFFL for the past 14 years, I feel I have seen it all with regard to our yearly auctions. Here are some thoughts for owners new to this style as well as those that have an open mind to fresh ideas.

First, let’s list the assumptions. Your salary cap is $200, you draft 15 players and there are 10 owners in the league. You must come to the auction with projected auction figures for 150 players totaling $30,000 ($200 * 15 * 10). If you don’t want to spend the time to create a spreadsheet like this based on the parameters of your league, I’d like to play against you.

1. Establishment Auction Rule: Never bid more than the projection you created on your spreadsheet.

My Rule: Don’t be afraid to do what it takes to get the player you want.

Your auction board projects LaDainian Tomlinson to be the highest rated back and you give him a dollar value of $75 (example only). You foresee great things for Tomlinson this year and really want him on your squad. After numerous bids, you are extremely nervous as your rival bids $75 for him. Here is where many “experts” say to let him pass as he’s reached your projection. The rationale is that if you never go over your projection, simple mathematics says that you will eventually get bargains since there is a fixed pool of dollars available. In theory, that rationale makes all the sense in the world. In practice, however, you’ll be sorry if you don’t allow yourself to vary from your projections as the auction unfolds.

First, these numbers are simply projections. If nothing else, your $75 value was validated by your rival’s bid. Perhaps your projection was undervalued by a dollar, two, or three. Is it possible when we look back at things one year from now that our projections were a bit off? Of course. Don’t let him pass simply because you are a slave to the number you came up with on your board. Bid another dollar. Trust me. There is no worse feeling than having the most money of all the owners at the end of a draft but having no player worthy of that extra cap room. You’re a shark. You’ll be able to make up that $1 and more later on in the auction with other undervalued players. More often than not, studs will win your league. Go get one.

2. Establishment Auction Rule: Try not to get caught up in bidding on players early on when owners have all or nearly all of their cash available. Let the guppies overspend early and swoop in later for bargains.

My Rule: Timing in an auction, be it early, middle, or late should play no role in your overall auction strategy.

This is one of my favorite “tips’ the experts give that I enjoy poking fun at. Again, we’re assuming your league is full of sharks. They’ve all heard this “strategy” as well, right? What would happen if everyone followed this advice like sheep? If they did, it stands to reason that the opposite result may occur. You may indeed find some VALUE by picking up players early on in your auction as the sharks sit on the sidelines waiting for later in the draft.

Let’s go back to my first example with LaDainian Tomlinson. You have projected for $75. He was thrown out first in the auction and the current bid stands at $72. The commissioner begins the countdown. Going once, Going twice. Should you bid? Have you overestimated his value? He’s the first player thrown out so your mind is racing. All you can think of is “let the guppies overspend early”. Of course, that’s hogwash. Obviously, this is an extreme example with your highest rated player being the first player thrown out, but I’d argue this strategy holds throughout the early portion of your auction.

Moreover, has anyone stopped to think about why more dollars get spent early on in auction player allocations? If you’re like my league where players are allocated by owners in rotating fashion, there’s an easy explanation. More often than not, owners will submit the best players early on for allocation. If you blindly followed the establishment way of thinking here, you’re likely to forego opportunities to get one of those stud RBs you’ll need, simply because you’re blindly letting the guppies overspend early on. At some point you have to jump in, but if you’re not careful it may already be too late.

Finally, I’ll reiterate a point I mentioned earlier. You do not want to be the owner with the most cap room left at the end of the auction. This, too may seem counter-intuitive. Yet it happens every year in my league. The owner with the most money left over has no player worthy of those dollars. They’re puzzled. How can this be? They followed the two golden rules. They didn’t bid on a player when their bid would exceed their projection. And they didn’t overspend early. How could this have happened? In every case, I’d much rather be the owner that fills out my roster first and watches to see who will have too much money left at the end of the auction snickering to myself all the while.

3. Establishment Auction Rule: Never, ever, under any circumstance, spend more than the minimum on a Kicker or on a Defense.

My Rule: While scoring in these positions is extremely volatile, we should be able to identify a few potential high scorers at each of these positions. Spend an extra dollar and get one.

This is another long-standing rule in Fantasy Football drafting or player allocations via auction. Never draft a Kicker before the last round (or very late). If an auction, never spend more than the minimum on one. As you can see, I don’t subscribe to that theory, especially in an auction format. Let me give you a statistic. Since we began utilizing an auction as our way of allocating players, 78% of them have gone for our minimum bid amount. So we have many “sharks” who also subscribe to this establishment rule. However, let’s take a look at this upcoming year. Near the top of any Kicker ranking will be Mike Vanderjagt. It’s not likely he’ll repeat his perfect season of one year ago, but there is no doubt he will have many opportunities kicking for the high-powered Colts offense. There is also no reason to think his accuracy will diminish greatly, either. To me, he once again can provide the separation we look for at each position when obtaining our players. Yet I guarantee you there are owners in my league that will not bid more than the minimum for Vanderjagt or any other Kicker. No, not $1 more than the minimum. To me, that is foolish. $1 out of a $200 cap is pretty inconsequential. Even $1 on a $100 cap (which is what our league uses as we only draft 12 players) is worth the price to obtain that scoring differentiation.

Here’s another tip when auctioning off Kickers. Start the bidding at $1 more than the minimum price. You’ve already eliminated the “sharks” who won’t get a kicker for anything other than the minimum. By bidding $1 more than the minimum, you’ve forced other owners to spend $2 over the minimum if they want that player. Subconsciously, that’s a pretty significant investment for the owners in your league. Plus, if you throw out Mike Vanderjagt this year for the minimum, I think it’s pretty likely that someone in every league in the country will raise you $1. Throw him out for $1 more, though, and you might steal him. Before you cry that you’re wasting $1 that could be used somewhere else, I revert back to an earlier point. I guarantee you don’t have 100% accurate projections. And you’re a shark. You’re going to be getting value throughout your auction anyway. Use one of the dollars you’ve saved right here.

There’s no question this strategy depends on you to identify who are the other potential Mike Vanderjagts. Defenses may be ever trickier. The theory remains, however, that if you have a high degree of confidence in one of these positions, do not limit yourself to the minimum bids.

4. Establishment Auction Rule: Throw out players for auction that you have no interest in. The money spent by other owners means less money for them to compete against you for players you really want.

My Rule: Vary your strategy by throwing out players you covet or those you think will be overpriced.

Similar to poker, you don’t want to have any tells. You should never employ a strategy that gives your competitors an advantage. By only throwing out players you do not have an interest in, you’re tipping off your competition. If you don’t think your fellow owners notice you only throw out players you have no interest in, you’re probably sorely mistaken.

What are the implications? Other owners will know that you think the market will overpay for that player. That in and of itself can have negative implications. Some of your fellow owners that respect your valuations may shy away from bidding on that player. It can scare people into the “he knows something I don’t know” philosophy. As a result of that, another owner may indeed swoop in and claim the player for below market value despite your reservations about him. Just as importantly, I always like to keep the competition guessing. Any time I can force the other owners into additional frenzied research or a panicked shuffle of papers, I’m at an advantage. I don’t want them to think they know anything about my style.

As a caveat to this rule, there are very good reasons where you might want to employ the establishment rule here. Say for instance that as luck would have it, you obtain LaDainian Tomlinson and Ahman Green with your first two acquisitions. However when your turn comes around to nominate a player for auction, Priest Holmes is still available. This indeed would be a good time to force one of your fellow owners to ante up and spend some money on a position of strength for you.

The thought with this rule is simply to never allow yourself to become predictable in the minds of other owners. You should strive to have an advantage in terms of both preparation and in-auction maneuverings.

Well, there you have it. Those are my thoughts on some of the establishment’s rules for auction player allocations and how you should have second thoughts about some of the most popular. In all likelihood, you’re a smarter guy than I am, but I offer these thoughts from the perspective of a 14-year commissioner of a highly competitive league that has been utilizing the auction format for nine of those years. Those auctions have helped me draw my own conclusions about strategy and I’m sure you have your own thoughts as well. Good luck on the upcoming season.

Paul Pogodzinski

paul_pogo@sbcglobal.net

 
In $100 cap, he may have to spend $50 ro $60 to get Johnson.
:confused: What fool is going to spend half his cap on one guy? NOBODY is worth that.
If one player is high enough above others in VBD, it is certainly possible for his value to be 50% of cap or greater. 1987 Jerry Rice, 2001 Marshall Faulk, and 2003 Priest Holmes come to mind. Rice in 1987 scored 112 fantasy points more than the #2 WR. His VBD was 79 points ahead of the second-best player in the league (Cunningham). I'm sure if you stick that year's final results into the Draft Dominator, that his value will come out above $60.

 
Almost every year someone in our league has a decent QB, 2 top RBs, 2 Top WRs and nothing else and he gets some decent waiver filler and comes close to winning the title. I agree with Chaos Commish that this balance thing in an auction is silly. Get 4-5 stud types and do some great homework on sleepers, hit on 10-20% of them and win your league. Piece of cake.

 
My advice would be:

1. Don't be so infatuated with a player that you will take him at any price. If you are and others realize it, they will eat your cap up making you overpay for him.

2. You win an auction league by bringing more of your cap to bear on your actual starting lineup (that means including bye fillers and injury fillers), and by getting better value per dollar that you do spend.

3. If you set up your values properly, then you shouldn't generally spend over the value you came up with. However, you do need a worthwhile starter at each starter spot. For positions where the supply doesn't equal the demand (e.g. RB), you may have to overpay just to get a starter worth starting. It is ok to overpay when everyone else is overpaying as well. In this situation, the idea is to overpay LESS than anyone else did. This will still leave you with more money to spend at other positions than the other teams, which is your goal.

In short, you do have to get your money in play, and for positions that are running scarce, you should always keep in mind how many players are left that you are comfortable starting, and be prepared to go after some of them before you reach the tail end of that list. Sometimes those last few guys worth starting can go for too much as teams who all sat back to wait now have to compete for them.

4. Be flexible. Don't marry yourself to one player. Bid on every player approaching up to your value for him. If you believe you can get better value on another player later on, drop out if need be.

5. Be aware of other's cap situation. You should be bidding up everyone, but generally not bidding so high that if you get stuck with the player, you can't live with it at that price.

6. If others are bidding you up on players at positions they don't need, look for an oportunity to stick them. Sometimes you are better off letting the other owner have the player at a modest bargain if it was a position he didn't need, and winning that player is going to screw his cap situation.

7. If you have overspent at some point in the draft and find yourself at a disadvantage with remaining cap room, STOP SPENDING. Values will come later in the draft if you show restraint and let others spend money until you again take a lead.

8. At the tail end of the draft, just a few dollars cap lead can make a huge difference in having your choice of sleepers. I've found it's generally worth it to be one of the cap leaders near the end. That doesn't mean to save all of your money until the end, just to make sure you aren't left with minimum bids for your last bench spots.

 
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In $100 cap, he may have to spend $50 ro $60 to get Johnson.
:confused: What fool is going to spend half his cap on one guy? NOBODY is worth that.
If one player is high enough above others in VBD, it is certainly possible for his value to be 50% of cap or greater. 1987 Jerry Rice, 2001 Marshall Faulk, and 2003 Priest Holmes come to mind. Rice in 1987 scored 112 fantasy points more than the #2 WR. His VBD was 79 points ahead of the second-best player in the league (Cunningham). I'm sure if you stick that year's final results into the Draft Dominator, that his value will come out above $60.
yeah. All you have to do is predict when these very rare occurances will happen. :rolleyes: Spending half or more of your $ on one player in such hopes is an exceedingly weak strategy and just flat-out stupid. Period.

 
If one player is high enough above others in VBD, it is certainly possible for his value to be 50% of cap or greater. 1987 Jerry Rice, 2001 Marshall Faulk, and 2003 Priest Holmes come to mind.

Rice in 1987 scored 112 fantasy points more than the #2 WR. His VBD was 79 points ahead of the second-best player in the league (Cunningham). I'm sure if you stick that year's final results into the Draft Dominator, that his value will come out above $60.
yeah. All you have to do is predict when these very rare occurances will happen. :rolleyes: Spending half or more of your $ on one player in such hopes is an exceedingly weak strategy and just flat-out stupid. Period.
Faulk 2001 and Holmes 2003 were both eminently predictable. What's flat-out stupid is dismissing a strategy which is known to be feasible. What evidence do you have that spending 50% of your cap on the clear #1 player (when there is one) is less likely to succeed than any other strategy? I spent 38.5% of my cap last year on LT (Alexander went for 38.75%) and won my league. If those two weren't so close in value last year it's very possible that one of them would have gone for near 50%, and very possible that the owner who paid that much would win the league.If you have LJ projected to perform the way he did in the last 8 games last year, all year long in 2006, you should unquestionably pay 50% or more of your cap for him. (I don't think that projection is realistic, mind you, and this year I think his value is in the same range as LT and SA. I haven't worked out the numbers, but I expect that will put all three in the high 30% range this year on my sheet).

 
:goodposting:

Auction is the only way to go.

My most successful strategy last year was to spend no more than 10% on any one player.  Well, I didn't actually set out to make that my strategy.  I just stuck with my anticipated prices and didn't let the outrageous inflation set me off.  I ended up with a very good and fantastically deep roster, finished as the regular season champion.
Forgive me for not understanding, but how do you get a premium RB for 10% of your cap?
Sorry I didn't see this response before now. In that league we have the option of starting either 2 RB, 3 WR or 1 RB, 4 WR. I went the 4 WR route and had Tatum Bell as my main RB. Like I said, I didn't set out to make that my strategy. I got outbid on a ton of players that I wanted where I thought I was willing to pay a premium. It turned out that I controlled the auction after the first 50 players were off the board as I was the only one with any money left.
 
:goodposting:

Auction is the only way to go.

My most successful strategy last year was to spend no more than 10% on any one player.  Well, I didn't actually set out to make that my strategy.  I just stuck with my anticipated prices and didn't let the outrageous inflation set me off.  I ended up with a very good and fantastically deep roster, finished as the regular season champion.
I like this strategy but there is one thing I am concerned about... you say you were the regular season champion, so I have to believe you lost in the playoffs and did not win it all.This is my only concern with this type of strategy, you build a real solid team but get smoked in the playoffs when you go up against another team with a stud player or 2 and because you didn't pay to get one of these guys you don't have enough fire power unless that stud player has a below average game. That and during the season, you struggle each week with who to start because you have so much depth. (The key here is to take that depth and trade it for a stud or 2, but what if you are unable to pull off a trade?)
Yes, you are correct that I lost in the playoffs. Listen, we all know how much luck is involved in fantasy football. I had the highest scoring team in my league and the best regular season record. But I still lost roughly a quarter of my regular season games. There's a range of potential values I'll score each week, and last year that range was higher than any other team. But there was still a great deal of overlap.And I'll say something else in support of the deep roster strategy: I had a TON of injuries last year, and I still ended up as the regular season champ. I walked out of the auction with 6 WRs in my projected top 30 (12-team league), and at some point all 6 missed playing time, anywhere from 2 to 10 weeks. If my team wasn't so deep, I would be on here moaning and whining about how unlucky I got last year in that my key player got hurt, instead of talking about how my great auction strategy gave me the ability to weather the injury typhoon.

 
:goodposting:

Auction is the only way to go.

My most successful strategy last year was to spend no more than 10% on any one player.  Well, I didn't actually set out to make that my strategy.  I just stuck with my anticipated prices and didn't let the outrageous inflation set me off.  I ended up with a very good and fantastically deep roster, finished as the regular season champion.
Forgive me for not understanding, but how do you get a premium RB for 10% of your cap?
Sorry I didn't see this response before now. In that league we have the option of starting either 2 RB, 3 WR or 1 RB, 4 WR. I went the 4 WR route and had Tatum Bell as my main RB. Like I said, I didn't set out to make that my strategy. I got outbid on a ton of players that I wanted where I thought I was willing to pay a premium. It turned out that I controlled the auction after the first 50 players were off the board as I was the only one with any money left.
I see. So is your scoring such that RBs aren't as important?
 
In $100 cap, he may have to spend $50 ro $60 to get Johnson.
:confused: What fool is going to spend half his cap on one guy? NOBODY is worth that.Re. the studs vs balance thing, there is not right answer, but lately I'm leaning to getting a top stud or 3 and praying I get good value w/the rest. Had LT last year and to a large extent he carried me while guys like R Moss and Favre were sucking. Course getting Dunn on the cheap didn't hurt.....
I'm not advocating spending 50% of your cap on one player. But one poster said he never spends more than 10% of his cap on one player. I said that I didn't see how he could get a premium player with that strategy.
No, that's not what I said. I said my "most successful strategy last year" was that I didn't pay more than 10% on any one player. I'm in multiple leagues. Last year, the team I had the most success with was the league where all the owners were in a spending frenzy early in the auction and prices were going WAY over my projections. I certainly didn't mean to imply that one should never spend more than 10% of the cap on a player. If you're still getting value by doing so, then by all means do it. It would be stupid not too. In this league, the money ran out before the talent did, and thus I was able to acquire a large number of talented players between 7-10% of my cap each.
 
:goodposting:

Auction is the only way to go.

My most successful strategy last year was to spend no more than 10% on any one player.  Well, I didn't actually set out to make that my strategy.  I just stuck with my anticipated prices and didn't let the outrageous inflation set me off.  I ended up with a very good and fantastically deep roster, finished as the regular season champion.
Forgive me for not understanding, but how do you get a premium RB for 10% of your cap?
Sorry I didn't see this response before now. In that league we have the option of starting either 2 RB, 3 WR or 1 RB, 4 WR. I went the 4 WR route and had Tatum Bell as my main RB. Like I said, I didn't set out to make that my strategy. I got outbid on a ton of players that I wanted where I thought I was willing to pay a premium. It turned out that I controlled the auction after the first 50 players were off the board as I was the only one with any money left.
I see. So is your scoring such that RBs aren't as important?
It's important. And the highest priced players are all RBs. We've tried to balance out the other positions more than most leagues do, and that's part of the advantage I had over others. Most of the other team owners were valuing RBs like they would in every other league, whereas in this league QBs and WRs (and even TEs) are closer in value. They're not even by any means, but I was picking up WRs in the 15-20 range for less money than RB30 was going for, and that's absurd. Especially when we have to start at least 3 WRs, and can get away with only starting 1 RB. I fully expect things to be not as bad this year because of my success.
 
In $100 cap, he may have to spend $50 ro $60 to get Johnson.
:confused: What fool is going to spend half his cap on one guy? NOBODY is worth that.Re. the studs vs balance thing, there is not right answer, but lately I'm leaning to getting a top stud or 3 and praying I get good value w/the rest. Had LT last year and to a large extent he carried me while guys like R Moss and Favre were sucking. Course getting Dunn on the cheap didn't hurt.....
I'm not advocating spending 50% of your cap on one player. But one poster said he never spends more than 10% of his cap on one player. I said that I didn't see how he could get a premium player with that strategy.
No, that's not what I said. I said my "most successful strategy last year" was that I didn't pay more than 10% on any one player. I'm in multiple leagues. Last year, the team I had the most success with was the league where all the owners were in a spending frenzy early in the auction and prices were going WAY over my projections. I certainly didn't mean to imply that one should never spend more than 10% of the cap on a player. If you're still getting value by doing so, then by all means do it. It would be stupid not too. In this league, the money ran out before the talent did, and thus I was able to acquire a large number of talented players between 7-10% of my cap each.
Ahhhhh. Nice that you could net such deals.
 
Mock Auction

I set this up for those in other threads who expressed interest in learning how or switching to auctions. I have no idea if we can coordinate a time and date, but any of you interested in a late June early July mock, use the link.

 
I prefer a slow message board or slow MFL style auction to a "live" auction ... it allows large leagues to have members from different locales without requiring everyone to give up a full day ... it also strings out the process and allows multiple players to be on the board at the same time ...
I agree online auctions have their advantages but this whole hobby developed from local leagues, and they're still the most fun. Friends and acquaintances, officemates, etc.; they make a league a lot more personal than a group meeting online (in my experience). I'm in the middle of a slow auction online at Xperts (12 nominees up for bid at a time) and it's not close to as much fun as the live auction in the middle of August. I do enjoy the dynamics of several players up for bid at a time, but give me the excitement and comaradarie of a live auction over any other form of fantasy roster building. It's just the best time you can have in this hobby, imo.

On a side note, I did accidentally bid $116 for Domanick Davis this morning - meant to bid 16!! That was kind of fun.
Pardon my ignorance here, but how do you have several players up at once?
 
I prefer a slow message board or slow MFL style auction to a "live" auction ... it allows large leagues to have members from different locales without requiring everyone to give up a full day ... it also strings out the process and allows multiple players to be on the board at the same time ...
I agree online auctions have their advantages but this whole hobby developed from local leagues, and they're still the most fun. Friends and acquaintances, officemates, etc.; they make a league a lot more personal than a group meeting online (in my experience). I'm in the middle of a slow auction online at Xperts (12 nominees up for bid at a time) and it's not close to as much fun as the live auction in the middle of August. I do enjoy the dynamics of several players up for bid at a time, but give me the excitement and comaradarie of a live auction over any other form of fantasy roster building. It's just the best time you can have in this hobby, imo.

On a side note, I did accidentally bid $116 for Domanick Davis this morning - meant to bid 16!! That was kind of fun.
Pardon my ignorance here, but how do you have several players up at once?
A couple online league management sites now have the ability to run auctions, including the ability to have more than one player up for bid at a time. That is only recommended for online-only leagues.
 
I prefer a slow message board or slow MFL style auction to a "live" auction ... it allows large leagues to have members from different locales without requiring everyone to give up a full day ... it also strings out the process and allows multiple players to be on the board at the same time ...
I agree online auctions have their advantages but this whole hobby developed from local leagues, and they're still the most fun. Friends and acquaintances, officemates, etc.; they make a league a lot more personal than a group meeting online (in my experience). I'm in the middle of a slow auction online at Xperts (12 nominees up for bid at a time) and it's not close to as much fun as the live auction in the middle of August. I do enjoy the dynamics of several players up for bid at a time, but give me the excitement and comaradarie of a live auction over any other form of fantasy roster building. It's just the best time you can have in this hobby, imo.

On a side note, I did accidentally bid $116 for Domanick Davis this morning - meant to bid 16!! That was kind of fun.
Pardon my ignorance here, but how do you have several players up at once?
A couple online league management sites now have the ability to run auctions, including the ability to have more than one player up for bid at a time. That is only recommended for online-only leagues.
Hey LT, as OC said this is best for online leagues. My local league has 25 roster spots, 12 teams, 300 total players bid for. We do 250 one at a time, but as the auction finishes up with $1 players we allow "a new $1 nominee each time the previous nominee is bumped a buck." It's just a method to speed up the finish. We've never had more than five up and the auctioneer (league member) is very good at keeping it organized. Xperts is set up so every owner has a player nominated at all times. A 12 teamer will have 12 players up for bid at a time. It sounds more complicated than it is. With an extended clock this works well for everyone (even if you can't check in constantly). You could register over there and give it a try.

Also the mock linked above has more interest than I expected. We'll need a few more, but it looks like it will fly. Join us.

 
And I'll say something else in support of the deep roster strategy: I had a TON of injuries last year,
I share your pain. Well most years anyway. Needless to say I'm a fan of depth on a roster, at least with RBs.
 
:confused: What fool is going to spend half his cap on one guy? NOBODY is worth that.

Re. the studs vs balance thing, there is not right answer, but lately I'm leaning to getting a top stud or 3 and praying I get good value w/the rest. Had LT last year and to a large extent he carried me while guys like R Moss and Favre were sucking. Course getting Dunn on the cheap didn't hurt.....
:confused: Uh...I'd say in 80% of my leagues there's atleast half of the guys that spend 50% of their cap on a stud (LJ, LT, SA). Sometimes it pans out for them and sometimes it doesn't but it's a fairly common practice.

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Uh...I'd say in 80% of my leagues there's atleast half of the guys that spend 50% of their cap on a stud (LJ, LT, SA). Sometimes it pans out for them and sometimes it doesn't but it's a fairly common practice.

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I'd bet most of the time it doesn't. And being common doesn't make it any more logical.
 
This season going into our auction my league mates and I will potentially be facing a scenario unlike any other that we have encountered.

It is not a given, but it is concievable that 12 of the top 15 RB's will be kept by their owners.

:eek:

This was a 10 team/16 position auction/keeper league with a $200 auction cap that is stepping back up to 12 teams after dropping down to 10 for a couple of years. The two new owners will have their full compliment of $200 to spend.

Talk about supply and demand. Anyone care to venture what a RB like Caddy will go for in this situation? Or LT who was kept for $97 last year and may be tossed back into the pool this year...Or not!

Now, say you had yourself one of those top 15 as a definite keeper. How much would you consider keeping another RB on your roster for who falls into the 12-18 range? Put him back in the pool this year and you might not even have a shot at him because of the owners with cash... or end up overpaying for another top 20 back.

Auctions rule. :thumbup:

 
Can believe you guys are all still on 1QB leagues...the trend is coming for 2QB. Makes the values between QB and RB equal, and makes for better compitition....our 2QB Auciton is awesome!

I Highly reccomend it.

 
Can believe you guys are all still on 1QB leagues...the trend is coming for 2QB. Makes the values between QB and RB equal, and makes for better compitition....our 2QB Auciton is awesome!

I Highly reccomend it.
Thanks for that contribution re. auction drafting there sparky. Can't wait for your "starting 3 PKs is awesome" posts. fargin canadians :rolleyes: ;)

 
I prefer a slow message board or slow MFL style auction to a "live" auction ... it allows large leagues to have members from different locales without requiring everyone to give up a full day ... it also strings out the process and allows multiple players to be on the board at the same time ...
I agree online auctions have their advantages but this whole hobby developed from local leagues, and they're still the most fun. Friends and acquaintances, officemates, etc.; they make a league a lot more personal than a group meeting online (in my experience). I'm in the middle of a slow auction online at Xperts (12 nominees up for bid at a time) and it's not close to as much fun as the live auction in the middle of August. I do enjoy the dynamics of several players up for bid at a time, but give me the excitement and comaradarie of a live auction over any other form of fantasy roster building. It's just the best time you can have in this hobby, imo.

On a side note, I did accidentally bid $116 for Domanick Davis this morning - meant to bid 16!! That was kind of fun.
Pardon my ignorance here, but how do you have several players up at once?
A couple online league management sites now have the ability to run auctions, including the ability to have more than one player up for bid at a time. That is only recommended for online-only leagues.
Hey LT, as OC said this is best for online leagues. My local league has 25 roster spots, 12 teams, 300 total players bid for. We do 250 one at a time, but as the auction finishes up with $1 players we allow "a new $1 nominee each time the previous nominee is bumped a buck." It's just a method to speed up the finish. We've never had more than five up and the auctioneer (league member) is very good at keeping it organized. Xperts is set up so every owner has a player nominated at all times. A 12 teamer will have 12 players up for bid at a time. It sounds more complicated than it is. With an extended clock this works well for everyone (even if you can't check in constantly). You could register over there and give it a try.

Also the mock linked above has more interest than I expected. We'll need a few more, but it looks like it will fly. Join us.
Chaos and Crush, thanks for the responses. I am still trying to figure out the best way to convert a 9 man keeper league into an auction league yet preserve the teams core players if they choose to. The best teams won't want to give up their best players so a cap that is larger at first may be the best way?
 
Can believe you guys are all still on 1QB leagues...the trend is coming for 2QB.  Makes the values between QB and RB equal, and makes for better compitition....our 2QB Auciton is awesome! 

I Highly reccomend it.
Thanks for that contribution re. auction drafting there sparky. Can't wait for your "starting 3 PKs is awesome" posts. fargin canadians :rolleyes: ;)
I would LOVE to contribute in this auction chat, but it is all irrelevant to me, and what I would have to say is irrelevant to you. More than anything, I was just expressing my displeasure with the lack of competitors in 2-QB leagues.
 
I would LOVE to contribute in this auction chat, but it is all irrelevant to me, and what I would have to say is irrelevant to you. More than anything, I was just expressing my displeasure with the lack of competitors in 2-QB leagues.
Just messing w/you incog. wtf w/all hypersensivity going around lately -Anyway start up a 2 QB thread and I'll ramble on it some. I guess it makes some sense from an FF scoring/balancing out players kinda thing, just doesn't grab me offhand.

 
Auction draft sounds exciting and I would like to try them. Where is a good "public" site to join up? I just tried Fantasy Auctioneer testing software, but I do not see any place to go to actually play. Prefer money leagues (not Payday...as that entails travel).

Thanks! :eek:

 
So it's across the board assumed that quality QBs will be had cheap. Ok fine. But keep in mind timing will have an effect here.

In most leagues comprising intelligent owners, everyone has that same thought... and the final 2 or 3 value picks will go much much more than they should.

Likewise, I would take the top 1or 2 "value QB" on your list, throw him out as early as you can and see what the value is. Try again with the second (as there's a chance just one owner might be big on the guy you threw out and was planning on overbidding). You see it every year in an auction for RBs. The studs get thrown out (say the Top 5)... then there's this lull of $20-25 RBs ($100 cap)... and then when the last few RBs are left... ppl wind up overpaying as they have either blown cap on a Manning or Owens... or just waited and waited (makign sure there was RB quality still on the board), and then when it's a Julius Jones or Ahman Green (circa '05), they go for $5-7 more than a Domanick Davis or Rudi Johnson.

 
I also think if you want one of the top 3, go for the first one as he's likely the cheapest of the 3, since most owners are worried about frying too much $ on one player and leaving themselves broke.

 

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