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Backtracking on Lloyd has already begun (1 Viewer)
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DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
A couple of things - Garbage time TDs for good WRs on bad teams are usually a pretty good source of fantasy points. Bowe has always been a fantasy WR1 with Cassel throwing him the ball (#2 fantasy WR in 2010, #8 fantasy WR in 2011, #5 fantasy WR so far in 2012). Bowe is also one of the best red zone WRs in the league.
You write "Brady has missed Lloyd on a couple of deep passes." There was some interesting analysis (I think on ESPN) this week about Brady and the deep ball. Basically, he's been very innacurate throwing deep going back to last season. Somewhere in the bottom of NFL starting QBs during that timeframe. It's unclear whether at age 36 he's losing some touch on his deep ball, but for whatever reason he hasn't been connecting with it well for over a season. So, I wouldn't count on Lloyd and Brady suddenly connecting well on the long bombs.
With Lloyd, you have a WR that is adjusting to a new QB and is on a team with a solid defense, that wants to run the ball, has a bunch of receiving options (including a go-to red zone receiver in Gronk), and a great QB that is having trouble throwing the deep ball that Lloyd relies on. He's no where near as good of a fantasy option as Bowe.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Then you shouldn't have drafted him. And if you timed out on your pick and that's why you ended up with him then you should have prepared more.I wasn't crazy about Lloyd coming into the year, but I understood the upside and that someone would suffer in the Pats gameplan - just not sure who. Based on 2 weeks of usage that does not appear to be him.I screwed up in my evaluation of Chris Johnson and it looks like Welker may be the one to suffer so I'm using them to cut a deal.
Huh, I could have sworn some people read your bit about Lloyd being ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1.
But in all seriousness, I've got him in one league where I need to make a trade to clear space for a kicker, and I'm looking to move either him or Maclin. Seems like interest in the 2 is about equal--people want Lloyd a bit more, but that's probably because Maclin's likely going to miss this week.
dagwood
Footballguy
Bowe = StudLloyd = Flyer
You need to be more careful when you draft. This ones on you.
growlers
Footballguy
This is a prime example for the "what's wrong with the shark pool" thread:
We have somebody starting a thread which is essentially a blog post just #####ing about a player and not providing any insight
His main complaint appears to be that FBG rankings were wrong and it's been TWO WEEKS into the season
Then we find out he isn't a subscriber so he isn't even correct about where FBG has him ranked
Then we find out he appears to not even have looked at how many times the player has been targeted, etc
Then he attacks posters who post ACTUAL information about the players as being defensive
So in conclusion we have someone #####ing about a ranking he doesn't know of a player he knows nothing about and then complaining when he gets useful feedback on that player
get a blog sir
Maybe we should have a thread on every single player that is "ranked wrong"
Oh wait - there was already thirty after WEEK ONE!
and now cue OP's attack on me.............at least it will bump his awesome thread
We have somebody starting a thread which is essentially a blog post just #####ing about a player and not providing any insight
His main complaint appears to be that FBG rankings were wrong and it's been TWO WEEKS into the season
Then we find out he isn't a subscriber so he isn't even correct about where FBG has him ranked
Then we find out he appears to not even have looked at how many times the player has been targeted, etc
Then he attacks posters who post ACTUAL information about the players as being defensive
So in conclusion we have someone #####ing about a ranking he doesn't know of a player he knows nothing about and then complaining when he gets useful feedback on that player
get a blog sir
Maybe we should have a thread on every single player that is "ranked wrong"
Oh wait - there was already thirty after WEEK ONE!
and now cue OP's attack on me.............at least it will bump his awesome thread
LawFitz
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
He did get me to realize I needed to pitch offers to the Lloyd owners, so there's that, but I'm also very selfish.
it doesn't seem bad to me to use a thread like this to track a player like Lloyd throughout the season since he was a player that some guys were REALLY HIGH on. The Audible guys provide great info and get a ton of calls correct, so when they take an against-the-grain stand on a player like this, I'm sure a lot of people take notice.
There's been some good info and discussion in this thread. Not seeing the big deal here.
There's been some good info and discussion in this thread. Not seeing the big deal here.
Isn't that what this thread is for: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=643002&hl=lloyd%20spotlight&st=0
much more fun when someone Keerock's a player though.
bagger
Footballguy
if you cant even draft the people you want correctly, i wouldnt start slamming on others predictions.
growlers
Footballguy
I welcome a specific thread on LLoyd. But the thread started with what was effectively a blog post, and only has useful content because several posters who were defending FBG did some research.Any useful discussion effectively came about by accident and not by design.In fact, the OP has 12 posts in the thread, none of which have any content.I have no vendetta against this OP.It is just after seeing dozens and dozens of threads like this I decided to pop up and finally say something.I picked a thread that accidentally wound up having at least some useful content so I didn't bump a thread that had zero content.I suspect many others, possibly a majority, agree with me.I'll pipe down and slink back to my hole if junk threads like this is what we want to encourage.'Aaron Rudnicki said:
The Squeaky Wheel
Footballguy
I disagree. It's all about targets. Bowe and Lloyd have the same amount of targets (21) through week 2. The deep balls that Lloyd has missed on have been more Lloyd's fault adjusting rather than Bowe's. Lloyd will break out in the next 1-2 weeks and won't look back. Everyone says that NE has a ton of options, I feel KC has just as many options with the addition to McCluster to the slot receiver position. Cassell looks more of a check down QB. Brady is looking Lloyd's way alot, with Hernandez out and defenses focusing on Gronk, Lloyd is going to do well. I am not saying I don't like Bowe, I feel both are WR2s. But I prefer Lloyd and his QB.'DevilintheDetail said:
Clifford
Footballguy
Don't spoil a great thread with bad grammar.OK, making fun of growlers aside, I think a lot of people do make a good case for hanging tight with Lloyd. My posting style is that I assume most people on here already know things so I don't bother posting what I consider info most already know, like the fact that Lloyd has led the team in targets and has barely missed on a couple of TD catches.
I still think my post has been misunderstood in that people still seem to think I am somehow blaming FBGs for me having Lloyd on my team. That's not why I posted. I posted because I thought that a majority of staffers were really behind this guy as a WR1. Aaron pointed out that the guys I listen to were really high on him, while others were not, so it was my mistake to think there was more consensus than there was. And maybe there is very little connection between the "Our View" section of the Newsletter and what goes into rankings and is expressed on the Audible.
I actually thought it was a little early to change the tune so dramatically from what I heard on the Audible than what I saw today, which was downgrade from WR1 to WR2/Flex. To FBG's credit, they are still saying play him, and maybe the person who writes "Our view" always considered him that. I have stated I did not want to draft him and accidentally did about a million times. But even I with my blind Lloyd hatred think he is 1-2 catches away from all the guys on the audible being right.
I'm sorry that pointing that out made you so angry at me. My main point is that if there was a strong feeling of him breaking out this season (4 staffers ranked him top ten) then I say either stick with it or say why the downgrade. As many have pointed out, Hernandez injury and Welker's weird status make him a good buy-low.
Clifford
Footballguy
ummm: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=redraft&howrecent=300Waldman had him WR4
Bloom had him WR7
Bramel had him WR9
Henry had him WR11
That's a ton of love from the Audible crew. Despite these high rankings, his average and median ranking among FBG Staff was WR23 though.
Dodds had him WR30
Tremblay had him WR25
Wood had him WR27
So, 3 of the 4 people doing FBG projections basically had him as a WR3 in 12-team leagues.
Still really early though. Lots of players out there have been a disappointment through 2 weeks.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
I think WR2 is a good spot for him. Anyone saying he was a sure fire WR1 before the season was being a little overzealous in my opinion. Sometimes you have to rank guys based on their potential to break out and with McDaniels, Brady and the Pats offense Lloyd had (and still has) high potential to break out. It's only been a couple weeks, but Lloyd does need to start justifying some of this hype on the stat sheet.
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
You think KC has the same number of quality receiving options as NE? Ok, but you are probably the only person alive who does. Welker had 1,500+ receiving yards and 120+ receptions last year. Gronkowski had 16 TDs and the best TE fantasy year in history. Plus Hernandez, who will probably be back in 4-6 weeks. KC has Bowe plus a handful of guys that have never consistently produced anything in McCluster, Moeki, and Baldwin. Bowe is also the clear #1 red zone receiving option for KC. Gronkowski is for NE. Cassel threw 15 TDs to Bowe in 2010 and the Chiefs are going to have to throw a ton given how bad their defense looks.
massraider
Footballguy
It's already been pointed out in this thread. You don't need to remember it. You can actually read it. In this thread.
growlers
Footballguy
I'm not angry with you. I admit I'm frustrated with the shark pool in general. I cut some sentences out of your last post and reposted it above.If this was the content of the OP we would have had a great thread from the start. Instead we have a bunch of threads started by people just complaining about their teams or about rankings.You clearly have some good stuff to post here. For people that don't follow the patriots fairly closely it isn't "obvious" he has led the team in targets or that he might be a buy-low candidate. Info like that is why we open threads.So let's talk about Lloyd.I agree with you that owners should hang tight with him.My concern is that as the season goes on I think Welker will rise up and be relevant again and when Hernandez comes back the combination of them will reduce Lloyd's value in fantasy crunch time at the end of the season.So I think for now I will look to Lloyd to have some good games in the near future and maybe consider dealing him the week before Hernandez comes back and hopefully sell high.
Clifford
Footballguy
Yeah, I just see him as the perfect fantasy tease, kinda like Dez Bryant (funny that I was waffling on one and ended up with the other). But I thought that going in. I'd be interested to see where the guys that pounded the table for him (Bloom Waldman Bramel) are ranking him going into this week. But I don't subscribe so I won't ask for that.
Basically agree with what you wrote. Sorry my post came off as #####ing. I err on the side of brevity since hardly anyone else does.
Basically agree with what you wrote. Sorry my post came off as #####ing. I err on the side of brevity since hardly anyone else does.
growlers
Footballguy
No worries, thanks.I am not sure I fully agree with you about Dez. I think it is a different situation fantasy wise.My problem with having Dez is that he has demonstrated the ability to go off any random week. I just don't know which weeks to start him. He is frustrating and I wish I didn't own him. I don't know what to do with him any given week.I own both players in different leagues and I would feel comfortable dealing Dez for his current perceived value but I would hang on to Lloyd as I think he has 4-5 good games coming up and deal him then.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Had the chance to dump his salary to grab Amendola...decided against it.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Grabbed him in the 7th as my wr3 behind Brown and Bowe. Completely happy about it
shadyridr
Footballguy
i thought you said you were waffling between dez and bowe
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
'Clifford said:
JHuber77
Footballguy
Yeah you have alot of room to talk there. How many times did you bump your own Russell Wilson thread?'Clifford said:
