Bad calls by the replacements today? (1 Viewer)

[Sam Quentin]

In all seriousness, has a single player/GM/ex ref come out and said the right call was made?

in all seriousness,nobody is going to cross the picket line and face the derision of the sports media complex and their unions to make such a statement whcich would have no effect.

 

[belljr]

The "real refs" would never had let that happen

 

[renesauz]

In all seriousness, has a single player/GM/ex ref come out and said the right call was made?

in all seriousness,nobody is going to cross the picket line and face the derision of the sports media complex and their unions to make such a statement whcich would have no effect.

I think someone will...but it won't be anyone who has already publicly blasted the NFL for using replacements.

 

[Sarnoff]

The "real refs" would never had let that happen

There's no guarantee that Ed Hochuli, who managed to call an incomplete pass a fumble, gets that one right. And last night's game was no worse a call than the Trey Junkin playoff fiasco.

 

[sho nuff]

"Possession" can't occur in midair. "Possession" can never be completed until you finish the act of hitting the ground, as has been explained a million times. The fact that the defender had two hands on it when Tate had one is irrelevant. The fact that Tate had one hand between the ball and the defenders chest (he actually had his left hand on the endof the ball that would have hit the defender in the chest), and had the second on it before they hit the ground, and the defender was unable to immediately gain sole possession after hitting the ground, meant that at the point you could rule possession established...BOTH players had established it. If the defender truly had a majority of it, he would have EASILY rolled away from the diminutive Tate as soon as they hit the ground.

All that aside...the idea that you CAN'T call PI on a hail mary is ridiculous. A pushoff that egregious and blatant could and SHOULD have been called. I'm still on the NFL's side in this but those refs last night were terribly inconsistant on PI calls. The Green Bay TD drive was helped by a bad PI call that converted a 3rd down. Similarly, Seattle got an undeserved PI call to bail them out of 1st and forever on their last TD drive.

Only problem is....we've all complained about PI consistancy for years. It's one of the bigger problems with real refs...one that will be best addressed with full time crews and back up crews. I want this BS over and the better refs back as much as anyone....but I want the fulltimers and backups.

I don't think that PI call on Shields was undeserved, as he was holding jersey pretty clearly for several yards at least. Also, Woodson clearly should have been called for PI on that last drive, which would have meant that last play would never have happened.

The refs didn't take the win from GB -- if they'd made all the right calls, GB would have lost more handily.

Umm...huh?Rice was all over Shields...not the other way around.

Sure...Woodson could have been called (so could a few other Hawks on defensive PI rather than the one close but wrong call that went for GB on Finley).

How would the Hawks have won more handily by not really moving the ball at all in the 2nd half?

THat and rene has displayed a clear lack of understanding of the rule that has been described over and over and over and pretty much every analyst, rules guy, and former ref that has been talked to disagrees with his interpretation.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Just think, if Megatron had some defensive "help" his TD catch might have been ruled complete.

Where's a cornerback when you need one?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Alright, since there are 20 threads on refs and the fiasco and I have 2 points that don't fit easily in any of them, I'm just going to drop them here since it's the oldest thread.

1) How the heck does Lang have the nerve to publicly complain? Yeah, they got screwed, but if his O-line hadn't looked like a sieve giving up about 50 sacks, it wouldn't have even been an issue!

2) The NFLPA, players, and their former player mouthpieces complaining about player safety are a joke. Yes, the NFL should be concerned about player safety and it had become an issue IMO. And why is it an issue? Because the players are treating the refs like kids treat substitute teachers. They have no respect for their fellow players or the game itself. They're acting like they're animals. It's like criminals complaining that they're committing more crime after the town replaces their police with mall security. The NFLPA and players have no right to complain since they're the ones that can't respect each other and the game enough not to try to intentionally injure their opponents.

 

[TxBuckeye]

The saddest part of it all... another week of NFL play and nearly 100% of the board activity is about the referees and not the games.

 

[mad sweeney]

In all seriousness, has a single player/GM/ex ref come out and said the right call was made?

No, but Jerry Jones, the biggest proponent of the replacement refs among the owners made a statement: "I didn't see it". He's in full spin mode, saying that he didn't see it, that all he read was a little blurb that said that Seattle pulled it out and that he hasn't gotten any phone calls, emails or texts about the controversy. That's a 1.5 billion dollar heap of bull#### right there. With as much coverage as it's gotten he'd have to have his head buried under that manure pile to not have any info on it like he's claiming.

 

[mad sweeney]

"Possession" can't occur in midair. "Possession" can never be completed until you finish the act of hitting the ground, as has been explained a million times. The fact that the defender had two hands on it when Tate had one is irrelevant. The fact that Tate had one hand between the ball and the defenders chest (he actually had his left hand on the endof the ball that would have hit the defender in the chest), and had the second on it before they hit the ground, and the defender was unable to immediately gain sole possession after hitting the ground, meant that at the point you could rule possession established...BOTH players had established it. If the defender truly had a majority of it, he would have EASILY rolled away from the diminutive Tate as soon as they hit the ground.

All that aside...the idea that you CAN'T call PI on a hail mary is ridiculous. A pushoff that egregious and blatant could and SHOULD have been called. I'm still on the NFL's side in this but those refs last night were terribly inconsistant on PI calls. The Green Bay TD drive was helped by a bad PI call that converted a 3rd down. Similarly, Seattle got an undeserved PI call to bail them out of 1st and forever on their last TD drive.

Only problem is....we've all complained about PI consistancy for years. It's one of the bigger problems with real refs...one that will be best addressed with full time crews and back up crews. I want this BS over and the better refs back as much as anyone....but I want the fulltimers and backups.

I don't think that PI call on Shields was undeserved, as he was holding jersey pretty clearly for several yards at least. Also, Woodson clearly should have been called for PI on that last drive, which would have meant that last play would never have happened.

The refs didn't take the win from GB -- if they'd made all the right calls, GB would have lost more handily.

Umm...huh?Rice was all over Shields...not the other way around.

Sure...Woodson could have been called (so could a few other Hawks on defensive PI rather than the one close but wrong call that went for GB on Finley).

How would the Hawks have won more handily by not really moving the ball at all in the 2nd half?

THat and rene has displayed a clear lack of understanding of the rule that has been described over and over and over and pretty much every analyst, rules guy, and former ref that has been talked to disagrees with his interpretation.

The ref that threw the flag couldn't see Rice's right hand grabbing Shields, but he could see Shields holding Rice's jersey clear as day.

 

[fatness]

Replacement refs working in NFL were fired from Lingerie Football League

A handful of the scab refs who have marred the NFL season with a series of blown calls are washouts from the Lingerie Football League, the underwear league said.

The bra-and-panty league claimed that a couple crews now working NFL games couldn't hack it on their girly gridiron and were fired, Deadspin first reported on Tuesday.

"Due to several on-field incompetent officiating we chose to part ways with a couple of crews which apparently are now officiating in the NFL," the league said. "We have a lot of respect for our officials but we felt the officiating was not in line with our expectations."

 

[fatness]

2) The NFLPA, players, and their former player mouthpieces complaining about player safety are a joke. Yes, the NFL should be concerned about player safety and it had become an issue IMO. And why is it an issue? Because the players are treating the refs like kids treat substitute teachers. They have no respect for their fellow players or the game itself. They're acting like they're animals. It's like criminals complaining that they're committing more crime after the town replaces their police with mall security.

H.F.S.

 

[renesauz]

THat and rene has displayed a clear lack of understanding of the rule that has been described over and over and over and pretty much every analyst, rules guy, and former ref that has been talked to disagrees with his interpretation.

Except that the NFL's statement looks suspiciously similar to my arguments from first thing this AM.

 

[texasheat]

late to this thread, I didn't notice any bad calls this week. Any particular ones you are referring to?