Baltimore's Safety (1 Viewer)

[Devine Intervention]

While watching the game I was in a debate how the safety is the right call, and I was told it was a bad call because you don't give them points if it puts the other team within a fg. Obv it was the right choice in the end but its worth the debate if there is a different way it could have played out. More interestingly, do you think Harbaugh advised his entire ST to hold anyone possible to buy more time off the clock?? If so that is a genius play, and credit has to be given.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Great play, and yes, having them hold was smart. You are conceding the safety anyway, and the clock is your friend, so might as well hold all day and let as much time run off before the punter steps out of bounds.

 

[Furious Styles]

Right call because there is always the chance of a block if you just punt. He took the safety, definitely told them to hold and had the kicker milk time. They were able to free kick it and the distance on the punt eliminated any chance of a FG attempt by SF so the 3 point margin never comes into play.

 

[Devine Intervention]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

 

[MikeMan]

Yeah seems like the offense should've/tried to tackle every defensive player and hold them down. LOL at no flags being thrown anyway. Wonder if this gets looked at in the offseason? Unsportsmanlike and add 15 after the kick for multiple fouls during a safety? Reset clock on safety in last 2:00?

 

[RBM]

Poor ST coach getting no credit for the call to hold.

 

[BassNBrew]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

 

[collective]

While watching the game I was in a debate how the safety is the right call, and I was told it was a bad call because you don't give them points if it puts the other team within a fg. Obv it was the right choice in the end but its worth the debate if there is a different way it could have played out. More interestingly, do you think Harbaugh advised his entire ST to hold anyone possible to buy more time off the clock?? If so that is a genius play, and credit has to be given.

Genius? This is a given.

 

[Sinn Fein]

It was the first thing I thought of when they were going to punt. If you think about what can beat you there - only a TD - taking the safety removed a blocked punt and/or fumbled snap from the equation. It also greatly reduced the likelihood of punt return TD.Now, I might not have thought to specifically instruct players to hold in that situation - that was the right call if he or his ST coach gave that instruction.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

confirmed

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Poor ST coach getting no credit for the call to hold.

This!That is also the benefit of having your HC having a ST back ground as well. Very well thought out and executed.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

 

[Devine Intervention]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Well cheating is going outside of the rules to win. I think they were fully willing to take the penalty that wouldve been given to them. I can see a rule change in the near future.

 

[Concept Coop]

sounds more like cheating than genius

 

[dgreen]

I'm not sure why SF didn't anticipate this and go all out punt block with 10 guys. They had to get him to take the safety as quickly as possible. Instead, they appeared to be setting up for a return on a punt that was never coming.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Changing gears a bit--- Why would the niners NOT try to go balls out to block the kick or put pressure on the punter in the hopes he shanks it?

 

[dgreen]

I can see a rule change in the near future.

Why?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Well cheating is going outside of the rules to win. I think they were fully willing to take the penalty that wouldve been given to them. I can see a rule change in the near future.

is there a rule against bear hugs from behind?

 

[identikit]

If there was more time on the clock (10 seconds more even) I would have punted.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Changing gears a bit--- Why would the niners NOT try to go balls out to block the kick or put pressure on the punter in the hopes he shanks it?

Because their coaches crapped the bed.

 

[Devine Intervention]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Well cheating is going outside of the rules to win. I think they were fully willing to take the penalty that wouldve been given to them. I can see a rule change in the near future.

is there a rule against bear hugs from behind?

yeah its called holding, and they did it anticipating the call. Its like holding a wr instead of getting beat for a touchdown. The 5 yrd penalty beats the TD. Thats not cheating.

 

[Beerguzzler]

It was the obvious play. Holding was also just as obvious since they are taking a safety.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Well cheating is going outside of the rules to win. I think they were fully willing to take the penalty that wouldve been given to them. I can see a rule change in the near future.

is there a rule against bear hugs from behind?

yeah its called holding, and they did it anticipating the call. Its like holding a wr instead of getting beat for a touchdown. The 5 yrd penalty beats the TD. Thats not cheating.

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

 

[Concept Coop]

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

Correct.

 

[Devine Intervention]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Well cheating is going outside of the rules to win. I think they were fully willing to take the penalty that wouldve been given to them. I can see a rule change in the near future.

is there a rule against bear hugs from behind?

yeah its called holding, and they did it anticipating the call. Its like holding a wr instead of getting beat for a touchdown. The 5 yrd penalty beats the TD. Thats not cheating.

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

So if a guy deliberately holds a guy so his QB doesnt get blind sided and fumbles, or deliberately holding a wr so you dont give up a TD, thats cheating??

 

[moleculo]

I don't get the big deal on the no-holding call. Let's play this out as if holding was called. After the play, you are down by 3, 0:04 left, and about to receive a free kick. Or, you can accept the holding penalty - 1/2 the distance to the goal line, replay 4th down. There's still 0:04 left. Punter will take the snap, run around for 0:04, and game is over - no chance for a return.I do think this is a loophole that the league should address - resetting the clock on accepted penalties.

 

[cstu]

I don't get the big deal on the no-holding call. Let's play this out as if holding was called. After the play, you are down by 3, 0:04 left, and about to receive a free kick. Or, you can accept the holding penalty - 1/2 the distance to the goal line, replay 4th down. There's still 0:04 left. Punter will take the snap, run around for 0:04, and game is over - no chance for a return.

I do think this is a loophole that the league should address - resetting the clock on accepted penalties.

 

[Guest]

It was the obvious play. Holding was also just as obvious since they are taking a safety.

It was a smart move in retrospect. But it wasn't expected, much less obvious.

 

[moleculo]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Well cheating is going outside of the rules to win. I think they were fully willing to take the penalty that wouldve been given to them. I can see a rule change in the near future.

is there a rule against bear hugs from behind?

yeah its called holding, and they did it anticipating the call. Its like holding a wr instead of getting beat for a touchdown. The 5 yrd penalty beats the TD. Thats not cheating.

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

I'd say cheating is something like filming another teams practices or stealing their signals. Cheating does not include weighing the cost-benefit analysis of a given situation and being willing to trade a penalty for time.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't get the big deal on the no-holding call. Let's play this out as if holding was called. After the play, you are down by 3, 0:04 left, and about to receive a free kick. Or, you can accept the holding penalty - 1/2 the distance to the goal line, replay 4th down. There's still 0:04 left. Punter will take the snap, run around for 0:04, and game is over - no chance for a return.



I do think this is a loophole that the league should address - resetting the clock on accepted penalties.

I disagree. This is the benefit by being in a situation where you can control the clock and play down the stretch.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Well cheating is going outside of the rules to win. I think they were fully willing to take the penalty that wouldve been given to them. I can see a rule change in the near future.

is there a rule against bear hugs from behind?

yeah its called holding, and they did it anticipating the call. Its like holding a wr instead of getting beat for a touchdown. The 5 yrd penalty beats the TD. Thats not cheating.

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

I'd say cheating is something like filming another teams practices or stealing their signals. Cheating does not include weighing the cost-benefit analysis of a given situation and being willing to trade a penalty for time.

why would that be cheating?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

Correct.

had to play the internet card and look the word up in the free online dictionary, as I thought maybe I didn't know what it meant:2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:

 

[Concept Coop]

why would that be cheating?

Is an offensive player interfering with a defender in position to intercept the football cheating?

 

[Concept Coop]

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

Correct.

had to play the internet card and look the word up in the free online dictionary, as I thought maybe I didn't know what it meant:2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:

Well, using that free definition, spiking the football after a first down is cheating. And so is putting a sticker on your helmet. And so is not wearing socks.

 

[matttyl]

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

Correct.

had to play the internet card and look the word up in the free online dictionary, as I thought maybe I didn't know what it meant:2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:

That definition is worth every penny you paid for it.

 

[mad sweeney]

I can see a rule change in the near future.

Why?

I actually wouldn't mind debating some kind if unsportsmanlike for deliberate fouls like the holds on the safety. I'd be interested to hear the arguments.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't get the big deal on the no-holding call. Let's play this out as if holding was called. After the play, you are down by 3, 0:04 left, and about to receive a free kick. Or, you can accept the holding penalty - 1/2 the distance to the goal line, replay 4th down. There's still 0:04 left. Punter will take the snap, run around for 0:04, and game is over - no chance for a return.I do think this is a loophole that the league should address - resetting the clock on accepted penalties.

Holding in the end zone is, by definition, a safety.Calling the hold, which should have been done as a matter of course, would not have altered the outcome of the play, or added any time to the clock. The result of the play with and without the holding call was a safety with 4 seconds left.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

so, deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage to win the game isn't cheating?

Correct.

had to play the internet card and look the word up in the free online dictionary, as I thought maybe I didn't know what it meant:2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:

Well, using that free definition, spiking the football after a first down is cheating. And so is putting a sticker on your helmet. And so is not wearing socks.

feel free to pay for a definition and get back to us

 

[dgreen]

I don't get the big deal on the no-holding call. Let's play this out as if holding was called. After the play, you are down by 3, 0:04 left, and about to receive a free kick. Or, you can accept the holding penalty - 1/2 the distance to the goal line, replay 4th down. There's still 0:04 left. Punter will take the snap, run around for 0:04, and game is over - no chance for a return.



I do think this is a loophole that the league should address - resetting the clock on accepted penalties.

I disagree. This is the benefit by being in a situation where you can control the clock and play down the stretch.

I see no reason to adjust any rules.

And, while it wasn't a big deal that the refs didn't call holding, I think it's noteworthy. Refs call penalties even if they know the team will choose to decline it. For some reason, though, they didn't call holding there.

 

[Short Corner]

Genius? Really? If you didn't know the safety was coming you may be on the other end of the IQ spectrum.

 

[Concept Coop]

feel free to pay for a definition and get back to us

Deliberateholdgate

 

[Devine Intervention]

Genius? Really? If you didn't know the safety was coming you may be on the other end of the IQ spectrum.

For one, not the safety that was genius but the call to have everyone hold. Secondly, if there were a few more seconds on the clock I dont know if the safety is the choice. If SF gets in fast and leaves themselves with maybe 10 seconds, a good return and a fg and its a tie game.

 

[moleculo]

I don't get the big deal on the no-holding call. Let's play this out as if holding was called. After the play, you are down by 3, 0:04 left, and about to receive a free kick. Or, you can accept the holding penalty - 1/2 the distance to the goal line, replay 4th down. There's still 0:04 left. Punter will take the snap, run around for 0:04, and game is over - no chance for a return.I do think this is a loophole that the league should address - resetting the clock on accepted penalties.

Holding in the end zone is, by definition, a safety.Calling the hold, which should have been done as a matter of course, would not have altered the outcome of the play, or added any time to the clock. The result of the play with and without the holding call was a safety with 4 seconds left.

good point. Gotcha.

 

[Short Corner]

Genius? Really? If you didn't know the safety was coming you may be on the other end of the IQ spectrum.

Secondly, if there were a few more seconds on the clock I dont know if the safety is the choice. If SF gets in fast and leaves themselves with maybe 10 seconds, a good return and a fg and its a tie game.

What if it was in the third quarter?

 

[Devine Intervention]

Genius? Really? If you didn't know the safety was coming you may be on the other end of the IQ spectrum.

Secondly, if there were a few more seconds on the clock I dont know if the safety is the choice. If SF gets in fast and leaves themselves with maybe 10 seconds, a good return and a fg and its a tie game.

What if it was in the third quarter?

What? Im talking literally a 2 second difference. Its that close of a difference. If SF gets a rush and gets Balt a safety with 10 seconds left, there is def a chance that SF could get a good return with time for a FG to tie. Then how OBVIOUS of a choice would that have been? If you punt you make them have to score a TD with under 10 seconds. So then It comes down to hailmary odds.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I just saw only the one guy hold, so I wasnt sure if it was strategy given by the coach or if it was just one guy missing a block and doing whatever he could. Maybe the credit should go to the player holding. Doubtfully, it couldve been a strategy he had himself and not something told by the coaches. Either way, smartest play of the game.

I saw at least three bear hugs from behind.

sounds more like cheating than genius

Says the Patriots fan.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Most of you are too young. It's not like this is the first time a team as ever done this. Taking a safety was the only play to make. It isn't "genius", its just the right call.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Genius? Really? If you didn't know the safety was coming you may be on the other end of the IQ spectrum.

Everybody at my house over the age of 30 started discussing this on 1st down.

 

[flc735]

it was the right thing to do. i wouldn't say genius, though. youth league coaches do this all the time because a lot of them have weak punters.

 

[Devine Intervention]

Genius? Really? If you didn't know the safety was coming you may be on the other end of the IQ spectrum.

Everybody at my house over the age of 30 started discussing this on 1st down.

You dont get it. Yes it was obviously the right call. The genius part was the idea to hold everyone. Were all you over 30s calling to hold to buy more time? Exactly