Barber vs Portis (1 Viewer)

[Rounders]

I think that this is one of the most intriging question of round 1. We all know that the Big 3 will be gone and the major consensus is Barber or Portis are the next players off the board. I think it would be helpful discussing some reasons why to take either.

Here are some of my thoughts to seperate the two:

Barber

-In PPR leagues, he's a no brainer over Portis, because he will catch 20-30 more receptions.

-Familiarity with offense, Manning, Burress, and Shockey return

-Age, should we be worried about him turning 31? What about the retirement talk, is the fire gone?

Portis

-Should get more carries which means more opportunites

-New Offensive system (OC)

-More weapons added on offense (ARE, Llyod)

What else should we consider. Do you guys think this is even worth talking about?

 

[jurb26]

Saunders likes to throw to his RBs. I would not say that Barber is a no brainer over Portis in PPR leagues anymore.

That said, I'll take Portis all day every day. He is younger, more talented, has less wear and tear, a better Oline, better system and the divisoins are a push obvioulsly.

Another little snippet, I would not say that LJ is a big 3 RB anymore w/o Roaf. I can easliy see both POrtis and Barber going before him now in many drafts.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Edgerrin James.

 

[Blackjacks]

Saunders likes to throw to his RBs. I would not say that Barber is a no brainer over Portis in PPR leagues anymore.That said, I'll take Portis all day every day. He is younger, more talented, has less wear and tear, a better Oline, better system and the divisoins are a push obvioulsly.Another little snippet, I would not say that LJ is a big 3 RB anymore w/o Roaf. I can easliy see both POrtis and Barber going before him now in many drafts.

The KC running game did fine without Roaf during last season. I still like him in the top 3. To answer the ? I'd take Portis all day.

Edgerrin James.

 

[JimmyD]

I had 1.04. Took Portis.

1. Easy schedule (including playoffs)

2. Saunders can only help

3. Decent passing offense with Moss/Cooley and then Randle El/Lloyd. These guys should help move the chains but I think Portis will be leaned on in the redzone.

4. Will have a lot of touches

 

[The Mechanic]

I had 1.04. Took Portis.1. Easy schedule (including playoffs)2. Saunders can only help3. Decent passing offense with Moss/Cooley and then Randle El/Lloyd. These guys should help move the chains but I think Portis will be leaned on in the redzone.4. Will have a lot of touches

 

[Rounders]

Does either of their backups worry anyone?

Jacobs = goalline vulture?

Betts = high praise from coaches, on the field same time?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Saunders likes to throw to his RBs. I would not say that Barber is a no brainer over Portis in PPR leagues anymore.

That said, I'll take Portis all day every day. He is younger, more talented, has less wear and tear, a better Oline, better system and the divisoins are a push obvioulsly.

Another little snippet, I would not say that LJ is a big 3 RB anymore w/o Roaf. I can easliy see both POrtis and Barber going before him now in many drafts.

I'll take Portis, too, for the reasons given in jurb's post, though I love Tiki & wouldn't consider suicide if I had to "settle" for him.More interestingly, I'd like to flip the bolded part a little: the more I think about it, the more I think it's a Big 4. I think Portis is in the discussion talent-wise, and I'm not so sure his sitiuation is any less desireable than any of the other three:

1. LJ - retirements, new coaching staff, and still is enough of an unknown to make some uneasy.

2. SA - losing Hutchinson hurts some at least; other than that he's the most stable of the former Big 3.

3. LT - new QB, though I like Rivers long-term & think LT may make up whatever loss of rushing yards in receiving yards from Rivers dumping off.

4. Portis - Brunell's the big ??; every other aspect is either the same or improved. And if you believe that Brunell was hurt last year (according to him) & isn't this year even that supposed detriment has improved.

I really think Portis is in the mix for a top 3 pick.

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

Here are some of my thoughts to seperate the two:

Barber

-In PPR leagues, he's a no brainer over Portis, because he will catch 20-30 more receptions.

-Familiarity with offense, Manning, Burress, and Shockey return

-Age, should we be worried about him turning 31? What about the retirement talk, is the fire gone?

I don't know if Tiki is a no brainer in PPR leagues. While you can put Tiki down for at least 50 receptions for sure, I also see Portis being more involved in the passing game with Al Saunders now running the Offense. One reason I'd kind of agree with you though is that Tiki had 38 of his 54 receptions in the 2nd half of last year. (He only had 7 after the first 5 games) Does that mean it took a little time for Eli to start connecting with Tiki, or just a fluke. If you think Tiki will haul in 65+ passes, he may be a no brainer in PPR. I actually have them pretty even in PPR.I do like the supporting cast, and think it will keep defenses from keying on Tiki.

His age does worry me, although he keeps himself in great shape. I just worry the coaches will want to keep him fresh by reducing his carries.

Portis

-Should get more carries which means more opportunites

-New Offensive system (OC)

-More weapons added on offense (ARE, Llyod)

Portis had 343 carries in 2004 and 352 in 2005, so I don't see his carries going up. But, I do see his goal line and redzone touches going up. Last year Wash used a lot of short passes near the goal line but this year with Saunders in town, those chances should go to Portis. While in KC Saunders fed the ball to the RB's at the goal line.I am not all that sure that adding Randle El and Lloyd will scare many defenses. Both are average WR's.

My only concerns with Portis are the QB position and L. Betts. If Brunell stinks or gets hurt, teams may key on Portis. If Portis doesn't get the job done on 3rd downs or at the goal line, they may call on Betts.

I currently have the #4 pick in a PPR league and have yet to decide on these two. I'm leaning towards Portis. It will be one of them for sure. I've owned Tiki in the past and know how good he can be, but I'm a big believer in the SYSTEM. Tiki is in a great system in NYG but if Al Saunders can do in Wash what he did in KC, Portis could be huge. Wash may not be KC, but their line is good and their WR's are actually better then KC's. They don't have a Gonzalez, but Cooley is a pretty good TE. Never owning Holmes or LJ, I know how p'd it made me watching those guys getting all the TD's under Saunders, I can see the same thing happening with Portis. It would sicken me if I passed on him when I had the chance to grad an Al Saunders RB.

I can easily see Portis putting up:

345/1600/14 (4.6 ypc)

40/375/1 (9.4 ypr)

40/1975/15 = 287.5 in non PPR & 327.5 in PPR

With a chance for more TD's and maybe a few more rec's.

I can see Tiki putting up:

320/1500/9 (4.69 ypc)

55/575/2 (10.45 ypr)

55/2075/11 = 273.5 in non PPR & 328.5 in PPR

With a chance for Fewer TD's, fewer carries but more receptions.

 

[The Mechanic]

Does either of their backups worry anyone? Jacobs = goalline vulture?Betts = high praise from coaches, on the field same time?

I'm a lot more concerned with Jacobs goal line carries, he ran in 7 td's last year.Betts ran in 1, caught 1 and a punt return of 1

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

Does either of their backups worry anyone? Jacobs = goalline vulture?Betts = high praise from coaches, on the field same time?

I'm a lot more concerned with Jacobs goal line carries, he ran in 7 td's last year.Betts ran in 1, caught 1 and a punt return of 1

Betts is a good player and an excellent backup. He will not eat into Portis' carries.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Portis.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

PPR League - Barber

Every other league - Portis

 

[(HULK)]

I really think Portis is in the mix for a top 3 pick.

I have Portis #1 overall.

 

[jurb26]

I really think Portis is in the mix for a top 3 pick.

I have Portis #1 overall.

Me too.

 

[apkballa]

I would have to take Portis.

 

[Yenrub]

I had 1.04. Took Portis.1. Easy schedule (including playoffs)2. Saunders can only help3. Decent passing offense with Moss/Cooley and then Randle El/Lloyd. These guys should help move the chains but I think Portis will be leaned on in the redzone.4. Will have a lot of touches

No problem with points 2-4.The Redskins and Giants only have 2 non-division games that are different.

 

[(HULK)]

The Redskins and Giants only have 2 non-division games that are different.

Yes, but the Skins face some weak rush Ds weeks 15 and 16.

 

[SSOG]

Saunders likes to throw to his RBs. I would not say that Barber is a no brainer over Portis in PPR leagues anymore.That said, I'll take Portis all day every day. He is younger, more talented, has less wear and tear, a better Oline, better system and the divisoins are a push obvioulsly.Another little snippet, I would not say that LJ is a big 3 RB anymore w/o Roaf. I can easliy see both POrtis and Barber going before him now in many drafts.

Agreed. I took Portis over Barber in a PPR league.The big thing for me, though, is age and workload. With his age and previous workload, Tiki is a much greater injury risk than Portis. I expect Tiki to outproduce Portis if they both stay healthy... but not by much, so I give the edge to Portis because I think he has a better shot at staying healthy.

I had 1.04. Took Portis.1. Easy schedule (including playoffs)2. Saunders can only help3. Decent passing offense with Moss/Cooley and then Randle El/Lloyd. These guys should help move the chains but I think Portis will be leaned on in the redzone.4. Will have a lot of touches

No problem with points 2-4.The Redskins and Giants only have 2 non-division games that are different.

That's not true, either. The Redskins have two games against the Giants' D, and the Giants have two against the Redskins D, too. I'd call the Giants D a lot softer than the Redskins D, so the Redskins have an easier schedule.

 

[Wingnut]

I traded down from #1 to #3, and I may tale Portis with that pick. Im liking him more and more every day.

 

[BigRed]

Every year I'm tempted to take Barber and every year I pass because I'm afraid his age will catch up to him and he'll fall off a cliff. Every year I regret it. But soon as I take him that's the year so IMO Portis is the easy choice.

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

For those who are going with Portis and state "IT'S AN EASY CHOICE", can you please post your projections for both. While I'm currently leaning towards Portis as well, I don't see it being an easy choice.

Mine as I posted earlier:

Portis

345/1600/14 (4.6 ypc)

40/375/1 (9.4 ypr)

40/1975/15 = 287.5 in non PPR & 327.5 in PPR

With a chance for more TD's and maybe a few more rec's.

Tiki

320/1500/9 (4.69 ypc)

55/575/2 (10.45 ypr)

55/2075/11 = 273.5 in non PPR & 328.5 in PPR

With a chance for Fewer TD's, fewer carries but more receptions.

 

[TheLaw]

Portis is my 1.02 behind only Tomlinson.

 

[Yenrub]

The Redskins and Giants only have 2 non-division games that are different.

Yes, but the Skins face some weak rush Ds weeks 15 and 16.

Portis wk 15 and 16 @ Saints and @ RamsBarber wk 15 and 16 Home against Eagles and Saints

 

[jurb26]

Portis:

350 carries, 1755 yds, 16 TDs, 45 rec, 395 yds, 2 TDs

Barber:

300 carries, 1340 yds, 8 TDs, 50 rec, 460 yds, 1 TD

 

[jestertj]

Last year I would have said Barber. This year I say Portis. I have a ton of faith in Al Saunders making a very good RB a great RB.

 

[Buckna]

For me, the 1st round is all about limiting risk. Although opinions are split on this, IMHO I see Barber as much riskier this year due to a combination of age, a large workload the last few seasons, and Jacobs around to steal goalline carries. I think Tiki is more likely to hit his upside than Portis, but I also think Tiki is more likely to hit his downside as well. Portis is a pretty solid plug and play RB who is more likely to perform right at expectations rather than exceed them or fall far short.

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

Portis:350 carries, 1755 yds, 16 TDs, 45 rec, 395 yds, 2 TDsBarber:300 carries, 1340 yds, 8 TDs, 50 rec, 460 yds, 1 TD

Thank YouI can see that as a high end, for Portis, and as a low end, for Tiki. Not sure it will work out that way, but it's possible.

 

[Yenrub]

Saunders likes to throw to his RBs. I would not say that Barber is a no brainer over Portis in PPR leagues anymore.That said, I'll take Portis all day every day. He is younger, more talented, has less wear and tear, a better Oline, better system and the divisoins are a push obvioulsly.Another little snippet, I would not say that LJ is a big 3 RB anymore w/o Roaf. I can easliy see both POrtis and Barber going before him now in many drafts.

Agreed. I took Portis over Barber in a PPR league.The big thing for me, though, is age and workload. With his age and previous workload, Tiki is a much greater injury risk than Portis. I expect Tiki to outproduce Portis if they both stay healthy... but not by much, so I give the edge to Portis because I think he has a better shot at staying healthy.

I had 1.04. Took Portis.1. Easy schedule (including playoffs)2. Saunders can only help3. Decent passing offense with Moss/Cooley and then Randle El/Lloyd. These guys should help move the chains but I think Portis will be leaned on in the redzone.4. Will have a lot of touches

No problem with points 2-4.The Redskins and Giants only have 2 non-division games that are different.

That's not true, either. The Redskins have two games against the Giants' D, and the Giants have two against the Redskins D, too. I'd call the Giants D a lot softer than the Redskins D, so the Redskins have an easier schedule.

Last season vs. the runGiants gave up 103.5 yards per gameRedskins gave up 105.4 yards per gameI hope the Giants toughen up in the secondary this year.