Barr Says Police May Stop Protecting Communities (1 Viewer)

[whoknew]

This is just incredible to hear from the Attorney General of the United States. Bill Barr is an absolute disgrace.

William Barr says ‘communities’ that protest cops could lose ‘the police protection they need’

Speaking to a roomful of police officers and prosecutors on Tuesday, Attorney General William P. Barr drew a parallel between protests against soldiers during the Vietnam War and demonstrations against law enforcement today.

But this time, he suggested, those who don’t show “respect” to authority could lose access to police services.

“Today, the American people have to focus on something else, which is the sacrifice and the service that is given by our law enforcement officers. And they have to start showing, more than they do, the respect and support that law enforcement deserves,” Barr said in pointed remarks delivered at a Justice Department ceremony to honor police officers.

Barr added that “if communities don’t give that support and respect, they might find themselves without the police protection they need.”

 

[huthut]

"That is a nice shop you have there, it would be a shame if something were to happen to it".

 

[sho nuff]

Seems like a clear violation of the first amendment.  Government punishing a community for use of protected speech.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Love it.  Barr is so awesome.

 

[whoknew]

Love it.  Barr is so awesome.

You don't believe that the police should protect people who criticize them?

 

[Endowed]

Pretty damn inflamatory.

 

[Stealthycat]

I think its a fine response

If you don't like the police doing their jobs the best they can, then the police should retreat from those communities and leave them be and what happens happens.

That's what is being said - we hate you, we hate what you are and what you do ................ nobody wants to be around that do they ?

 

[whoknew]

I think its a fine response

If you don't like the police doing their jobs the best they can, then the police should retreat from those communities and leave them be and what happens happens.

That's what is being said - we hate you, we hate what you are and what you do ................ nobody wants to be around that do they ?

You don't believe that the police should protect people who criticize them?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

If you don't like the police doing their jobs the best they can, then the police should retreat from those communities and leave them be and what happens happens.

As a trial run maybe the intelligence community and the FBI and others should stop spending resources on protecting the president.

 

[Amused to Death]

I wonder who would decide what's acceptable and what isn't. This sounds an awful lot like authoritarianism to me. Constitution be damned.

 

[Don't Noonan]

You don't believe that the police should protect people who criticize them?

I don't care for people who criticize police.

 

[Koya]

Our nation is turning into the very evils we were once taught to stand against.  To even suggest we abandon entire communities because of protest or lack of respect for authority / the police state / the govt is immoral and an abdication of responsibility for an AG.  It is also a terribly cowardly and selfish approach... not looking for a solution nor how to do better, but to give up on fellow Americans. Disgusting and shameful.
 

As I’ve said before, nothing has shown the true nature and character of our nation’s populace than these trying times.  I know it won’t be forgotten on which side of history my fellow Americans have stood - including colleagues, friends, former friends.

We obviously don’t share the same values as we’d once thought and that’s a glaring reality I never thought we’d see her in America. I know some derided my comments around election time, but those feelings have only become more appropriate as time has passed in terms of my ability to trust both the judgement and the values some hold in personal life, family, and in business - and I’m confident that the same may be said in terms of their viewpoint toward me.  I’d say we have diverged in what values we promote, but it’s more that we never shared those values, so perhaps it’s best we recognize that as we naturally will incorporate such personal assessments into further decisions we make that pertain to our families, lived ones, and professional choices. 

 

[whoknew]

I don't care for people who criticize police.

That didn't answer my question.

 

[Endowed]

As a trial run maybe the intelligence community and the FBI and others should stop spending resources on protecting the president.

BINGO!

 

[Joe Bryant]

Love it.  Barr is so awesome.

This is a good example. 

Tons of people, myself included, see this as trolling. Where the main goal is to poke the other side.

I know nothing about what Barr is doing here. If you support it, say why you support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

If you don't support it, say why you don't support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

But posts that say nothing much more than "Barr is Awesome" or "Barr is Horrible" add virtually nothing. I'd make the case they are actually a negative. 

Everyone can be better. 

 

[Amused to Death]

I don't care for people who criticize police.

What if it's only certain people? Do you punish the entire town? Or only those who dare criticize authority?

 

[Don't Noonan]

This is a good example. 

Tons of people, myself included, see this as trolling. Where the main goal is to poke the other side.

I know nothing about what Barr is doing here. If you support it, say why you support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

If you don't support it, say why you don't support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

But posts that say nothing much more than "Barr is Awesome" or "Barr is Horrible" add virtually nothing. I'd make the case they are actually a negative. 

Everyone can be better. 

Got it.  I added later that I don't care for folks that criticize police.  What Barr is saying makes perfect sense to me.  Barr is always logical and we are lucky to have him as our Attorney General.

 

[Max Power]

This is a good example. 

Tons of people, myself included, see this as trolling. Where the main goal is to poke the other side.

I know nothing about what Barr is doing here. If you support it, say why you support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

If you don't support it, say why you don't support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

But posts that say nothing much more than "Barr is Awesome" or "Barr is Horrible" add virtually nothing. I'd make the case they are actually a negative. 

Everyone can be better. 

But calling him an absolute disgrace is still cool? 

 

[Don't Noonan]

What if it's only certain people? Do you punish the entire town? Or only those who dare criticize authority?

That is tricky and I would lean towards not punishing the entire town.  Finding a way to punish the hoodlums would be ideal.

 

[KCitons]

Got it.  I added later that I don't care for folks that criticize police.  What Barr is saying makes perfect sense to me.  Barr is always logical and we are lucky to have him as our Attorney General.

Isn't that free speech?

 

[Joe Bryant]

But calling him an absolute disgrace is still cool? 

Not sure how you got that from my post. 

This is what I think is cool.

I know nothing about what Barr is doing here. If you support it, say why you support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

If you don't support it, say why you don't support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

But posts that say nothing much more than "Barr is Awesome" or "Barr is Horrible" add virtually nothing. I'd make the case they are actually a negative. 

Everyone can be better. 

 

[Max Power]

Not sure how you got that from my post. 

This is what I think is cool.

It was in the initial post of the thread. When someone starts a thread with a claim like that... trolling is where it is going to go.  This wasn't a lets discuss police protests and the effect they might have on future policing.  It was a Bill Barr is a POS...look...

 

[bigbottom]

That is tricky and I would lean towards not punishing the entire town.  Finding a way to punish the hoodlums would be ideal.

Protesters = hoodlums?

 

[adonis]

It was in the initial post of the thread. When someone starts a thread with a claim like that... trolling is where it is going to go.  This wasn't a lets discuss police protests and the effect they might have on future policing.  It was a Bill Barr is a POS...look...

Or, it could go into a discussion about why folks thing his position is justified.  Or it could go to trolling.  Or it could be an enlightened back and forth about the merits of our AG suggesting that police protection for a community should be contingent upon a lack of protesting against police by the community. 

Basically it comes down to a personal choice as to how you respond.

 

[bigbottom]

Isn't that free speech?

Yes, it is. And the government punishing people for criticizing the government is pretty much the definition of unconstitutional.  This shouldn’t be a controversial point. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

It was in the initial post of the thread. When someone starts a thread with a claim like that... trolling is where it is going to go.  This wasn't a lets discuss police protests and the effect they might have on future policing.  It was a Bill Barr is a POS...look...

Ok. That's what I don't want. 

This is what I do want.

I know nothing about what Barr is doing here. If you support it, say why you support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

If you don't support it, say why you don't support it. Ideally have a few links to support what you're saying. 

But posts that say nothing much more than "Barr is Awesome" or "Barr is Horrible" add virtually nothing. I'd make the case they are actually a negative. 

Everyone can be better. 

 

[msommer]

Yes, it is. And the government punishing people for criticizing the government is pretty much the definition of unconstitutional.  This shouldn’t be a controversial point. 

Funny how that constitution gets in the way of the Trump administration so often

 

[supermike80]

I think it's Ok and something of course that will not be acted upon.

I do say it is cool because there has ben discussions about how communities, and pockets within those communities, have a total and compete disregard for the law.  And it isn't just the people committing the crimes.  It's those that are supporting or defending the lawbreakers.
Cops are being attacked and there doesn't see to be much of a community outrage(in certain instances)

So I believe Barr is trying to prod the communities themselves by in essence saying if you don't want the police, you won't have the police.   Maybe he might get the community to at least act like that want the police there.

 

[Zow]

This is just incredible to hear from the Attorney General of the United States. Bill Barr is an absolute disgrace.

William Barr says ‘communities’ that protest cops could lose ‘the police protection they need’

Speaking to a roomful of police officers and prosecutors on Tuesday, Attorney General William P. Barr drew a parallel between protests against soldiers during the Vietnam War and demonstrations against law enforcement today.

But this time, he suggested, those who don’t show “respect” to authority could lose access to police services.

“Today, the American people have to focus on something else, which is the sacrifice and the service that is given by our law enforcement officers. And they have to start showing, more than they do, the respect and support that law enforcement deserves,” Barr said in pointed remarks delivered at a Justice Department ceremony to honor police officers.

Barr added that “if communities don’t give that support and respect, they might find themselves without the police protection they need.”

No problem with the first part of his statement. 

Huge problem with the second part. 

 

[Zow]

I think it's Ok and something of course that will not be acted upon.

I do say it is cool because there has ben discussions about how communities, and pockets within those communities, have a total and compete disregard for the law.  And it isn't just the people committing the crimes.  It's those that are supporting or defending the lawbreakers.
Cops are being attacked and there doesn't see to be much of a community outrage(in certain instances)

So I believe Barr is trying to prod the communities themselves by in essence saying if you don't want the police, you won't have the police.   Maybe he might get the community to at least act like that want the police there.

Can you provide an example outside of The Wire?

 

[supermike80]

Can you provide an example outside of The Wire?

I don't have a direct link. However if you really need me to point out where a cop has been attacked..then the moderators can lock this thread too.

 

[KCitons]

I think it's Ok and something of course that will not be acted upon.

I do say it is cool because there has ben discussions about how communities, and pockets within those communities, have a total and compete disregard for the law.  And it isn't just the people committing the crimes.  It's those that are supporting or defending the lawbreakers.
Cops are being attacked and there doesn't see to be much of a community outrage(in certain instances)

So I believe Barr is trying to prod the communities themselves by in essence saying if you don't want the police, you won't have the police.   Maybe he might get the community to at least act like that want the police there.

Can't the same be applied on the federal level? We have red and blue states. Does that mean every state/city that didn't vote for Trump, should suffer by not having the same representation or funding?

 

[That one guy]

That is tricky and I would lean towards not punishing the entire town.  Finding a way to punish the hoodlums would be ideal.

Barr added that “if communities don’t give that support and respect, they might find themselves without the police protection they need.”

Barr specifically says communities in his questionable statement.  He leaps over “finding a way to punish the hoodlums” and goes directly to abandoning a community wholesale under the premise of fealty to law enforcement.

How do you reconcile that with the First Amendment and the sworn oath of duty law enforcement officers take?

 

[supermike80]

Can't the same be applied on the federal level? We have red and blue states. Does that mean every state/city that didn't vote for Trump, should suffer by not having the same representation or funding?

I don't think that's a fair correlation.  

But politically? You bet your bottom...Already happening.  Both sides do that.  

 

[mrip541]

I think it's Ok and something of course that will not be acted upon.

I do say it is cool because there has ben discussions about how communities, and pockets within those communities, have a total and compete disregard for the law.  And it isn't just the people committing the crimes.  It's those that are supporting or defending the lawbreakers.
Cops are being attacked and there doesn't see to be much of a community outrage(in certain instances)

So I believe Barr is trying to prod the communities themselves by in essence saying if you don't want the police, you won't have the police.   Maybe he might get the community to at least act like that want the police there.

He literally said if you don't respect the police they might stop serving you. Abandoning communities in which people protest the cops would be unconstitutional. He's arguing against the founding principles of this country.

 

[supermike80]

He literally said if you don't respect the police they might stop serving you. Abandoning communities in which people protest the cops would be unconstitutional. He's arguing against the founding principles of this country.

Saying things and doing things are two different things.  He won't do it.

 

[KCitons]

I don't think that's a fair correlation.  

But politically? You bet your bottom...Already happening.  Both sides do that.  

Doesn't the bolded contradict?

 

[supermike80]

Doesn't the bolded contradict?

Yeah....I thought you meant something different.

 

[Zow]

Got it.  I added later that I don't care for folks that criticize police.  What Barr is saying makes perfect sense to me.  Barr is always logical and we are lucky to have him as our Attorney General.

A few thoughts here. 

1. It's perfectly fine to not care for folks that criticize police. As somebody who deals with them on a daily basis, I think, like in most spheres of life, most of them are good people trying to follow the corrects laws and protocols with a natural minimal amount of bad apples (unfortunately, a bad apple police officer can cause some real serious damage so when exposed it's understandably a big deal). I share your sentiment that it is a bit of  when somebody blanketly criticizes police. 

2. Notwithstanding the comment in one, there are certain professions and jobs where one cannot pick and choose who is helped. Doctors have an ethical duty to treat maniacal meth addicts. Defense attorneys have an ethical duty to defend people charged with heinous crimes. And, similarly, law enforcement has a duty to protect and serve all. So, if Jesse Smollett or Colin Kaepernick were getting mugged while wearing pig socks, a responding police officer should act no differently. 

3. From a legal-perspective, Barr's comments are grossly incongruent to the constitution and far from logical. 

 

[KCitons]

I will no longer pay federal taxes unless the person I voted for is elected into office. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Can you provide an example outside of The Wire?

Dangerous for me to reply as I don't know the details or context. 

I assume it was something related to things like the videos of people throwing water at police.

https://youtu.be/M0YmzNsQDDs

 

[Zow]

I don't have a direct link. However if you really need me to point out where a cop has been attacked..then the moderators can lock this thread too.

I'm more interested in the alleged "pockets" of communities where there is a "complete disregard for the law." I have studied many facets of policing for many years and have never seen it myself. You stated it with such conviction I assumed you knew of an example and I was interested in the event I could learn something new. 

 

[Amused to Death]

That is tricky and I would lean towards not punishing the entire town.  Finding a way to punish the hoodlums would be ideal.

Don't we already punish people who break laws? What laws are you breaking by protesting law enforcement?

 

[supermike80]

I'm more interested in the alleged "pockets" of communities where there is a "complete disregard for the law." I have studied many facets of policing for many years and have never seen it myself. You stated it with such conviction I assumed you knew of an example and I was interested in the event I could learn something new. 

Understood.

 

[Koya]

I think it's Ok and something of course that will not be acted upon.

I do say it is cool because there has ben discussions about how communities, and pockets within those communities, have a total and compete disregard for the law.  And it isn't just the people committing the crimes.  It's those that are supporting or defending the lawbreakers.
Cops are being attacked and there doesn't see to be much of a community outrage(in certain instances)

So I believe Barr is trying to prod the communities themselves by in essence saying if you don't want the police, you won't have the police.   Maybe he might get the community to at least act like that want the police there.

You seem to ignore that there is responsibility for the current situation all around - including within the ranks of the Police, from leadership on down.  Abuse of powers, harassment, literal and justified fear of being harmed or killed merely because of the color of your skin and/or where you live and work at the hands of those who are supposed to protect.

It seems terribly insulated to discuss this issue as if communities as a whole just choose to not like nor respect police. Sure, some members of any community fall into that category, but the reality is far more nuanced. From legislation that disproportionately jailed a couple generation of young black men to violence at the hands of police, there is much blame to go around.  Barr seems to not care for the wel lbeing of those HE is sworn to serve and protect, while taking the cowards way out rather than looking into admittedly complex issues and just as complex potential strategies and solutions.

 

[Godsbrother]

I will no longer pay federal taxes unless the person I voted for is elected into office. 

and you will end up paying penalties and possibly in jail.

 

[Zow]

Dangerous for me to reply as I don't know the details or context. 

I assume it was something related to things like the videos of people throwing water at police.

https://youtu.be/M0YmzNsQDDs

Is that a particular pocket where similar behavior occurs on a regular basis or a singular incident? 

 

[sho nuff]

I don't have a direct link. However if you really need me to point out where a cop has been attacked..then the moderators can lock this thread too.

But Barr didn't just say attack...he is talking about even people who protest police peacefully or "don't respect them".

Sorry...that is a clear violation of the 1st amendment.

 

[Zow]

Understood.

Am I correctly interpreting this response to mean that you don't know of an actual example?

 

[KCitons]

and you will end up paying penalties and possibly in jail.

Will the government end up paying penalties and possibly jail if they choose not to represent me because I didn't/don't support them?