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According to ESPN.com, TEX has entered the bidding for P Kyle Farnsworth.Not done yet, but real closewait, the Yankees signed Farnsworth??
ThisGuy
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I think that is just propaganda by the Red Sox staff at ESPN.com. Nothing to see here.According to ESPN.com, TEX has entered the bidding for P Kyle Farnsworth.Not done yet, but real closewait, the Yankees signed Farnsworth??
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Whoops just made a separate post for this. I don't get it either. I'd at least have made a play for Hoffman. I don't see how this helps a team trying to win in the postseason, which he has shown difficulty doing the past few years.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
I've always wondered why Michaels never got more of any opportunity. He played with Pat Burrell at Miami, if I'm not mistaken, and put up fairly comparable numbers.He's always had great peripherals for the Phillies but mostly played as a backup and injury replacement. He's probably 29 or 30 years old now. Still a reasonable gamble for that kind of money.
Statorama
Footballguy
Rotoworld reporting all kinds of crazy rumors:- Kris Benson to Tigers for Ivan Rodriguez- Dodgers offer Furcal same deal as Cubs- Seattle targeting Pierre- Jason Marquis to FLA for Pierre- Cubs looking to get Soriano and Mench for Jerome Williams, Corey Patterson, Todd Walker and a prospect- Luis Castillo "definately" on the block- Twins looking at Frank Thomas- Kevin Millwood has become the #1 target for the TwinsHay Carumba!
Statorama
Footballguy
On a side note, is any team besides the Marlins NOT rumored to be involved in a potential Pierre deal?
Marlins asked for Sean Henn and Scott Proctor for Pierre and the Yanks are thinking about it.
To me, that's pennies on the dollar.
Link to Yankee rumor
Marlins asked for Sean Henn and Scott Proctor for Pierre and the Yanks are thinking about it.
To me, that's pennies on the dollar.
Link to Yankee rumor
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
What in the hell would we do with Pierre in St Louis? Put him in left? Is his arm any good? We need a power bat, but I have to admit I like the idea of a table setter like Pierre coupled with Eckstein to set the table for the MVP.
That would be a great deal for the Yankees.Methinks this is just FLA announcing before the Winter Meetings: "Hey everyone!!! Look here!!! Juan Pierre is on the block!!!! Get your bids in now or we might do something crazy like trade him to the Yankees for Sean Henn and Scott Proctor!!!"
We'll see, I guess.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Marlins are better off looking at the White Sox if they want prospects. They have to think they can do better then those yankee stiffs.
Statorama
Footballguy
I hear rumblings that Edmunds might depart (edit: be traded), which would make the Pierre thing make more sense. The other Cardinal rumor I hear is that they'll be bringing in (gulp) Bernie Williams to play LF.Edit to add: Edmunds is in his walk year, and the word is that the Cards don't want to sign him long term.
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Hell no. If Edmonds leaves (and despite his stellar defense I would not miss him that much) then I would love to have Pierre patrolling CF. But if we are looking for a gimpy OF to play left, why not make it Preston Wilson?
shadyridr
Footballguy
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Statorama
Footballguy
I can second that. He was notorious in the Lincoln Park area as a club hopping skirt chaser. But he's married now, so all that has likely changed
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Oh right, like he wasn't out on the town in uh...Detroit....and uh, Atlanta....
Koya
Footballguy
Especially when you have that much money, NYC provides that many more outlets - and multiply that factor by ten for the amount of press looking for the scoop at 4am.Oh right, like he wasn't out on the town in uh...Detroit....and uh, Atlanta....
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I have no doubt whatsoever, that Farnsworth in New York = John Rocker. This will not be pretty.Especially when you have that much money, NYC provides that many more outlets - and multiply that factor by ten for the amount of press looking for the scoop at 4am.Oh right, like he wasn't out on the town in uh...Detroit....and uh, Atlanta....
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Are you kidding me? The team with the deepest bullpen signs his guy for $3 mill a year. Is that like the league minimum now? Isnt Carrasco a bum?
I would love to see the Cardinals get Pierre. I have been saying this ever since the Marlins started their firesale (again). With him at the top of the order, they can still score runs even when their power hitters are struggling. Just like in the '04 WS and the '05 NLCS.I wouldn't be terribly upset to see Edmonds go either. I am tired of his act, thought he can play some serious D.
I was actually contemplating who would go down as a bigger waste of $$, Tom Gordon or Jon Konkack.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I would love Pierre assuming we also got a decent power bat to protect Pujols. That is where we need to fill.
We're on the same pageKyle Farnsworth and NY = not a good situation.I have no doubt whatsoever, that Farnsworth in New York = John Rocker. This will not be pretty.Especially when you have that much money, NYC provides that many more outlets - and multiply that factor by ten for the amount of press looking for the scoop at 4am.Oh right, like he wasn't out on the town in uh...Detroit....and uh, Atlanta....
Michael Brown
Footballguy
On the other hand, what else could the Yanks have done? At least we've got a guy who'll mix it up in the late innings of games and retaliate at guys. Nothing against Mo (my favorite player), but he's not as physically intimidating because no one ever thinks they'll be hit by him. I mean, the guy's a minister for goodness sake!We're on the same pageKyle Farnsworth and NY = not a good situation.I have no doubt whatsoever, that Farnsworth in New York = John Rocker. This will not be pretty.Especially when you have that much money, NYC provides that many more outlets - and multiply that factor by ten for the amount of press looking for the scoop at 4am.Oh right, like he wasn't out on the town in uh...Detroit....and uh, Atlanta....
That is a good question.I have another question - why didn't the Yankees bring back Flash Gordon ? I know he's getting up there in age, just wondering the thinking there.On the other hand, how could a team with a payroll of $200 million allow itself to be put in such a position?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Boston Globe reporting . . .- Padres are trying to sign Nomar to play 2B- Padres also discussing moving Mark Loretta for David Wells and Doug Mirabelli- Rangers have discussed offering Soriano to the Sox for Manny (with other unnamed players involved)The last one seems odd to me, as how long is there remaining in Soriano's contract?
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1968821I'm confused...so he had a one year contract going into last year?
Doesn't that make him a free agent, or is he just eligible for arbitration again?
Pierre to the Cardinals for Jason Marquis would be highway robbery for the Cards. Yeah, Pierre had an off year (although not bad, really), and yeah, Marquis is still fairly young, but Pierre has wicked speed on the basepaths. Yeah, his arm is about as useful as a wet noodle, but if we put him in LF with Edmunds still manning CF, them two will cover some serious ground.Also, if the Cards sign Burnett and trade Marquis, this leaves room for the potentially great RHP Anthony Reyes to get a starting gig in 2005. Replacing Morris and Marquis with Burnett and Reyes may just give the Cards one of the best rotations in baseball. Just look for yourself:CarpenterMulderBurnettSuppanReyesThat's damn tough if you ask me.Speaking of the OF situation, I hope to god we don't get Jacque Jones. He's about as clutch as Brad Lidge facing Albert Pujols in the playoffs (BURN!) and also doesn't have a good OF arm. Preston Wilson would be interesting, though. He's got some pop. Injury problems are a concern, but considering we've had to deal with JD "Ow, my knee" Drew and Larry "Ow, my neck" Walker in the OF, it shouldn't be a new experience for us.I'm concerned if we lose Grudz to another team. Who will fill in at 2B? We have no real prospects in the minors that are A. ready for the majors or B. competent. Then again, we kind of picked Grudz up from the scrap heap anyways, so I'm sure Jocketty will pull another Womack out of his ### again.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Oh I agree completely that they should never have been in this position. They stopped paying middle relievers sometime around 2002, and are paying dearly for it now by having to overpay guys like Farnsworth.To my knowledge, as far as Gordon goes, he wanted to close. The Yanks offered a contract within range of the Phillie deal I believe, but he didn't want to set up for Mo. And I suppose they didn't want to give three years to a guy who's already up there.That is a good question.I have another question - why didn't the Yankees bring back Flash Gordon ? I know he's getting up there in age, just wondering the thinking there.On the other hand, how could a team with a payroll of $200 million allow itself to be put in such a position?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
You hit the nail on the head there. How do the Phillies give a 38 year old Gordon 3 years at 6 million per? I guess the average per year is what counts but with a guy up there in age, how come you never hear of a 3 year contract for $6 million, $4 million and then $2 million. That would seem about right to me. You are going to be paying Gordon 6 million when he is 41?Oh I agree completely that they should never have been in this position. They stopped paying middle relievers sometime around 2002, and are paying dearly for it now by having to overpay guys like Farnsworth.To my knowledge, as far as Gordon goes, he wanted to close. The Yanks offered a contract within range of the Phillie deal I believe, but he didn't want to set up for Mo. And I suppose they didn't want to give three years to a guy who's already up there.That is a good question.I have another question - why didn't the Yankees bring back Flash Gordon ? I know he's getting up there in age, just wondering the thinking there.On the other hand, how could a team with a payroll of $200 million allow itself to be put in such a position?
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Hello, Todd Walker. He would be a great fit in St Louis. As much as I like Grudz, I was actually hoping we would get Walker last year.
midwaymonster
Footballguy
Imagine how hard Kyle Farnsworth can body slam a Sox groundskeeper. Seriously, you gotta think he knows what is expected coming to New York. I'm not too worried about off the field problems as long as Big Stein is watching.Imagine how far David Ortiz could hit a Kyle Farnsworth fastball.
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Does this mean the Cubs are going to keep Nomah?Looks like Furcal is going to be a Dodger
At 13 million per, they can have him...
From Rotoworld:
Rafael Furcal has agreed in principle to a three-year, $40 million contract with the Dodgers, according to the Los Angeles Times. Dec. 3 - 11:04 pm et
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Lots of Plan B options.. From Nomah to Lugo to bringin Shawon back.Does this mean the Cubs are going to keep Nomah?Looks like Furcal is going to be a Dodger
At 13 million per, they can have him...
From Rotoworld:
Rafael Furcal has agreed in principle to a three-year, $40 million contract with the Dodgers, according to the Los Angeles Times. Dec. 3 - 11:04 pm et
harrycarey
Footballguy
Peter Gammons looks sad in person (i'm at the winter meetings) he looks really old without makeup and is hunched over and limping and frowning.
ThisGuy
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Paul Byrd to the Indians
I'm teaching my son to pitch tomorrow!!
$7million per...From the Indians?!?
I'm teaching my son to pitch tomorrow!!
$7million per...From the Indians?!?
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