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Bates Gone (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
You have got to be #######g kidding me. Next to go is Favre now.I am so close to not even rooting for Green Bay anymore. Forget Ted Thompson and forget Mike McCarthy. That was Bates' job and everyone knew that. :X :X
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Footballguy
What are the odds that Bates follows Sherman where he goes? They made a decent team this year minus the injuries. I am most definitely not a Thompson fan now.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Bates got jobbed big time. It's understandable why Wayne didn't give him the job over the likes of Nick Saban, but it was a slap to his face to give the Green Bay job to that joker over him.Maybe he'll end up in St. Louis working for Linehan if that's the way they go. They could make a stout combination if you ask me.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Rumors on Pats boards are that Bates is coming on board to be the DC in NE. Will be announced very soon.Personally, as a Pats fan, I'm very happy with this.
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Footballguy
If this happens I will be a new Patriots fan. I like the Packers first and foremost with the Jets as my AFC team but they have fubared everything there too. I am almost in need of a new NFC team... I may have found my AFC team if Bates goes to any AFC team.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I don't really see how their styles will mesh, but I have to admit that is my nightmare scenario as a Dolphins fan. I want to root for Bates, but I can't do it if he's in the division. That goes double for him joining forces with BB.Getting one of the rumored new defensive coordinators for the Dolphins (Pees, Capers) would salve the wound this would cause quite a bit, though.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Linehan + Bates in STL would make me very happy.
tombonneau
Footballguy
There is merit to the Pats jump as Bates has a history with BB from his days in Cleveland.
Also, I looked up how the Miami D performed under his run, and man, I didn't realize it was so impressive:2000 #32001 #112002 #42003 #32004 #20Also, it was #19 the year before he showed up.
wouldn't mind seeing Bates wind up in Buffalo...tough loss for the Pack
Jimmy James
Footballguy
There is a reason why every Miami fan I know was pulling for Bates to get that Packers job. He's a hell of a coach, and it would have kept him out of the division.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
As a HC or a DC?
either one, really. I think he's an excellent coordinator and he also seemed to do pretty well with the interim tag in Miami after Wanny stepped down.
ren hoek
Footballguy
I'll be pretty well shocked if he doesn't get a head coaching deal somewhere. I think a combination of Jim Bates and Mike Sherman would be filthy, if some team were to go with Bates as HC and Sherman as OC. I agree with the poster who said that Green Bay just got set back a couple of years as a franchise.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I'm going to be pretty shocked if Bates does get a HC job. His shot clearly seemed to be Green Bay. He's one of those guys who doesn't fit the image of what owners want in a head coach because he's a little old (see Jim Johnson) and doesn't exactly look the part. It's a pity -- I'd love it if he got a job outside of the ones in the AFC East.
tombonneau
Footballguy
That certainly would be odd. A HC now working under his former DC.Though I would actually be surprised to see Bates get a shot as a HC given his age (59?). Its rare for a career coordinator to get his first shot at that age, and was in fact one of the many factors that was cited as to why Romeo Crennel didn't get a chance until just recently.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I just want to make sure I have this right:Mangini is the new coach of the JetsIf Bates did in fact get the Buffalo job, the whole division would be full of BB or BB-connected coaches.That would be something, even if I would hate to see the Bills get somebody that good.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
I think bates is hurt that no one considers him HC material, considering what he did with Miami after wanny quit. He was an afterthought in the interview process in Miami, and seems to hae been an afterthought in GB as well.Bates in New England makes little sense to me. He ran a completely different Defensive scheme than what BB runs. Just don't see it as a good marriage. However, Bates may be looking at it as a pedigree to finally get the HC job he wants.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I think we need to look at WHY he has not been considered for head coaching jobs in the past. Sure, he may do fine if given the reigns, but why has he been passed over for the the past 35 years (except a one year stint in the USFL and an interim job with the 'Phins).
Gatorman
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Truth be told, if it wasn't for Saban, I think bates would be the HC in Miami. He gets passed over because he is an old white guy without the pedigree of the up and comers. THat being said, his players love him and play hard for him, and when he was HC for the phins, the team looked respectable. (3-4 down the stretch with a big monday night win vs. the pats).He is not the "sexy" pick, and has no real liniage that you can refer to (Dungy, BB, Vermiel, or WCO).
SWC
Bromigo
Things that frustrate me:1. Listening to Milwaukee sports talk radio, a lot of the players are clearly disappointed that Bates wasn't hired as HC, and that he is now gone. Not a great way for the team to start the offseason.2. McCarthy has primarily coached under losers (Nolan and Haslett -- wow). When Holmgren and his wonder kids came in, us fans sort of had the feeling that we were stealing the best young up-and-coming coaching talent from the best organizations, and that things were on the upswing. I don't have that feeling now, and I don't know anyone else that does, either -- for whatever that is worth.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Good...go...the true Packer fans do not need people that would jump ship because a coach did not get the HC job.If this happens I will be a new Patriots fan. I like the Packers first and foremost with the Jets as my AFC team but they have fubared everything there too. I am almost in need of a new NFC team... I may have found my AFC team if Bates goes to any AFC team.
sho nuff
Footballguy
How much is it going to set back a team that was 4-12?More often than not it is when a string of losses is set there...and the cap situation is all over the place.
What McCarthy and his new staff will have going for him is alot of young players on both sides of the ball, a top 5 draft pick, and plenty of cap space (depending on how Thompson wants to use it).
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Footballguy
I'd like to know if Bates was going to leave if he didn't get the HC regardless of who was hired. If so, then I can't feel too badly for the loss. But otherwise I am not impressed with Thompson's first year as GM.
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Footballguy
Anybody get the feeling Thompson has little regard for the past 15 years of Packer football and is seeking, perhaps to his detriment, to put his stamp on this team, even if it means really shaking things up for a year or two (and perhaps indefinitely)?A little too much "my way or the highway" so far for my taste...
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Footballguy
I would have liked for him to keep one of the two guards, either Wahle or Rivera. Maybe even both particularly as there is a lot of cap space now. I am one who thinks Favre still has another few good years left as long as the team commits to supporting him with the right players. Seems like Thompson may be shutting it down a bit early.
I will keep a close eye on his draft this year.
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Footballguy
I am only speculating. But I would like to know if Thompson went to Bates and tried to figure out a way to keep Bates while hiring another HC. It doesn't seem like that happend, but I don't know for sure. If it didn't, it's awful management.
Pipes
Footballguy
This Thompson bashing has got to stop. The guy has only been in GB for a year and it takes time to fix the mess that Sherman left as a GM. Yeah it sucks that Bates left but the fact is he's 59 years old with no head coaching experience, there may be a reason for that. Yeah the Packers defense improved last year but look at their schedule. The defense faced QB's like Orton, Grossman, Harrington twice, Batch, Dilfer, McMahon, Boller, B Johnson twice, Brooks, Vick & Griese. The only really good QB's that Packer defense faced this year were Palmer, Delhomme and Hasselbeck (for a half). I would hope the defense would look good against stiffs like that.We need to give Thompson time. Unfortunately Packer fans are spoiled and expect the playoffs every year. The Packers have had a tremendous run but years of drafting at the end of the first round and really crappy drafts have caught up with them. Let see what happens.
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Footballguy
Sure, I wanted Bates to stay as I think the defense took some very good strides this past season...but let us all look beyond just that #1 pass D stat (according to yards) and look at the overall picture...and then tell me if you think Bates should have been HC.Start with the passing yards...GB also had allowed the fewest passing attempts per game...teams were running more on them than throwing...Passing TDs... they gave up 22 passing TDs...pretty poor.Were not good as far as forcing turnovers.Were not that good against the run.I think were last, or near last in the league in red zone scoring percentage against...While they had some sacks...it appeared there was no consistent pass rush ever.And the other thing about yardage stats...it does not take into an account the short field the offense was putting the defense in. While the defense was put in a bad position, they still gave up the points...but it minimized the yardage...skewing that stat a bit.The good...very good on 3rd and 4th down...cut down penalties...the team played with alot more fire...Kampman came on...and Barnett finally broke out as the guy that had drafted in the first round...Some of this just needed to be posted with all the people thinking this team will now just fold because the DC left....
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Footballguy
If either of those guys say otherwise, they will be included as fair game during deer hunting season.
