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Bears: Archuleta a trade possibility (1 Viewer)
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TheFanatic
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Why would they want that chump? Lovie think he can do something with him again?
Warpig
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kellumsboys
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Redskins S Adam Archuleta is reportedly close to being traded to the Chicago Bears to join his former coach Lovie Smith. The deal would likely involve a conditional middle-round pick in this year's draft, but the Redskins first want to restructure Archuleta's contract so as to not take on a large cap-hit once he is dealt. Smith has tried acquiring Archuleta twice in each of the last two offseasons
twistd
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I read that were the Redskins to cut Archuleta they'd take a $9 million cap hit this year. I think he is due a huge roster bonus that happens after Wed. So the Skins have to get a trade done now. A mid-round pick would probably make sense, maybe a fifth or lower. The Bears have all the leverage here. I will be interested to see what the Bears pick up as far as the contract goes. That may be more of a sticking point then the draft pick.
redman
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The choice for the 'Skins is to either keep him for another year until they can afford to cut him, or trade him, so this would appear to be motivated by Lovie wanting Arch this year for whatever reason. Again, I'm baffled as to the Bears' interest.
lord_helmet
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Give them a conditional pick, he could probably beat out Harris for the backup role
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The Redskins are in a serous bind with Archuleta. He obviously does not fit in. Yet his cap charge is huge if they cut or trade him.
A bonus payment was delayed last week, so it appears Archuleta is working with the Redskins to get something done. If the Redskins could get a mid round draft pick and reduce his cap hit, that would be awesome.
A bonus payment was delayed last week, so it appears Archuleta is working with the Redskins to get something done. If the Redskins could get a mid round draft pick and reduce his cap hit, that would be awesome.
Scottish Revenge
Bob Lee Swagger alias
Just heard on ESPN that the Bears acquired Archuleta. No other details.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Bears acquired S Adam Archuletta for a conditional 6th round pick.
Breaking News on NFL Network.
Hopefully they don't have to pick up that ludicrous contract he signed with the Skins.
Breaking News on NFL Network.
Hopefully they don't have to pick up that ludicrous contract he signed with the Skins.
Scottish Revenge
Bob Lee Swagger alias
What do you think? Good move? Bad move?
First thoughts are displeasure.Why take on this contract, assuming that they did ? I was pleased that Jerry Angelo had not made any stupid free agent signing this off-season, instead letting other teams throw around money, and now we trade for a backup safety who is sitting on a bad contract.What is Mike Brown's future in Chicago now ? I know there was some thought the Bears would ask him re-work his deal. Is Archuleta the starter now, and is Brown on his way out ?I could live with giving up the 6th round pick, but I would have just waited for the Redskins to cut him. I don't understand the urgency here to trade the pick AND pick up that contract.
scoobygang
Footballguy
Oh ####. Now the Skins need to find a new personal protector on the punt team.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
From ESPN:
To complete this complicated deal, the Bears had to rework his contract. Archuleta had a guaranteed $5 million option bonus that was due last week. With hopes of getting a trade, Archuleta delayed the execution of that option bonus until Wednesday. Faced with the deadline, everyone worked on getting a deal done. The Bears will pay Archuleta $8.1 million over the next three years. The Redskins rid themselves of his $25 million contract. A total of $5 million of Archuleta's new deal in Chicago is guaranteed.
Mike Brown is in the final year of his contract I believe. Therefore he stays, and both starting safeties from the Super Bowl grab some bench.
To complete this complicated deal, the Bears had to rework his contract. Archuleta had a guaranteed $5 million option bonus that was due last week. With hopes of getting a trade, Archuleta delayed the execution of that option bonus until Wednesday. Faced with the deadline, everyone worked on getting a deal done. The Bears will pay Archuleta $8.1 million over the next three years. The Redskins rid themselves of his $25 million contract. A total of $5 million of Archuleta's new deal in Chicago is guaranteed.
Mike Brown is in the final year of his contract I believe. Therefore he stays, and both starting safeties from the Super Bowl grab some bench.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Keep in mind...
If it weren't for a dumb rookie safety blowing his assignment in the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning could have gone without a TD pass in the Super Bowl.
Danieal Manning also got schooled on Reggie Bush's long TD sprint. His jock is still lying at midfield on Soldier Field.
If it weren't for a dumb rookie safety blowing his assignment in the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning could have gone without a TD pass in the Super Bowl.
Danieal Manning also got schooled on Reggie Bush's long TD sprint. His jock is still lying at midfield on Soldier Field.
Grid - wasn't there talk that the Bears see Daniel Manning's future as a CB ? I had heard some of that towards the end of the season, but he seemed to be a liability in pass coverage as you mentioned.
trader jake
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Adam Archuleta is a hard hitting strong safety. He clearly didn't justify the large contract Dan Snyder gave to him in DC but I feel the guy can still be a solid playmaker. I like his odds of doing so a lot more playing in Chicago with all of that defensive talent around him. In St. Louis (with Lovie as DC) the guy was all over the place and thrived when he was put in the box and made plays going after the ball.
Contrary to what has been said thus far in this thread I really like this pick-up for the Bears.
Contrary to what has been said thus far in this thread I really like this pick-up for the Bears.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
WHO says he won't be the starter?That's chump change for a starting safety in today's NFL btw.He'll thrive again in the Tampa-2 defense.Another solid free agent move by Jerry Angelo. This year's priority was to keep Briggs, and try to give an extension to soon to be free agents CB Charles Tillman and WR Bernard Berrian.If Vasher moves on in free agency after '07 - then they can try out one of the Mannings at CB: Danieal or Ricky Jr.Mike Brown will have his contract expire soon also.... so Danieal Manning could replace him at FS.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Chris Harris got beat on that Reggie Bush play....b/c he went underneath the slant instead of over the top...not Manning..who was beaten later on a juke.So both safties messed up.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I like the move by the Bears. Lovie knows exactly what he is getting in Arch and name a FA that thrives in DC...they all flop.
This addresses a major need on the team.
Now with two high picks in the draft the Bears can address D-line, O-line, TE, RB, LB, WR. With all of those moves being mostly for depth purposes.
This addresses a major need on the team.
Now with two high picks in the draft the Bears can address D-line, O-line, TE, RB, LB, WR. With all of those moves being mostly for depth purposes.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I like the move. Not having a saftey that was strong against the run killed us after Brown went down.
Now Lovie can platoon the position which hopefully keeps Brown healthy and fresh as the season wears on.
IMO Unless Brown is hurt worse than reported, I believe he remains the starter. But that gives the Bears needed experienced depth at the strong saftey position.
IMO I still think the Bears address the WLB position early in the draft.
Now Lovie can platoon the position which hopefully keeps Brown healthy and fresh as the season wears on.
IMO Unless Brown is hurt worse than reported, I believe he remains the starter. But that gives the Bears needed experienced depth at the strong saftey position.
IMO I still think the Bears address the WLB position early in the draft.
twistd
Footballguy
That is too much money. It isn't horrible, like some of the deals I've seen in the offseason, but I think it is too much.
Londo
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He won't be competing with Sean Taylor for a starting spot in Chicago. He was an awful acquisition for the Skins because they already had someone with that skillset, who was much better and younger (mind you, at the time he was acquired, Taylor was still facing charges over pulling guns on the people who stole his 4-wheelers). As a skins fan, I am just glad to have him off the books and have gotten something for him.Fat Nick said:
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azgroover
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Is there any other NFL journalist more money than Schefter? Clayton, Mort, and King combined as one super writer with bat phones to every GMs desk still couldn't break stories like this guy. Everytime I see Schefter attached to a story I know it's legit.SCHEFTER-2008!3nOut said:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
The Skins VASTLY overpaid for him and he was in the wrong system.The Bears saved money by getting him a year later, and he'll be back in the right system. Granted they'll have to give up the last pick in the 6th round in '08.Fat Nick said:
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Just like L. Coles.....b/c he wasn't productive after his huge contract with the Skins.
fatness
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buster c
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doesn't matter who wasted money.doesn't matter who saved money. doesn't matter what pick was given up.so what matters? can he play. in any system.the answer is a resounding noThe Skins VASTLY overpaid for him and he was in the wrong system.The Bears saved money by getting him a year later, and he'll be back in the right system. Granted they'll have to give up the last pick in the 6th round in '08.Fat Nick said:
trader jake
Footballguy
That about sums up Daniel Snyder's theory on building a Super Bowl Champion.
Fat Nick
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While I agree the Skins overpaid, as a Skins fan, I too am glad to see him gone. I guess whether or not the Bears "saved" money will remain to be seen. Yes, they saved over what the Skins paid last year, but I think if he doesn't perform, one could still say the Bears overpaid come this time next year. I could care less that the Skins got a pick at all honestly. I will say that he was definately in the wrong system in Washington, esp. with weak CB help last year. But I still have my doubts about whether he can truely play safety in any system. I still am surprised nobody has thought about converting him to LB. He's about the same size as Zach Thomas. I'm not saying he'd be great, but he could be very dynamic.The Skins VASTLY overpaid for him and he was in the wrong system.The Bears saved money by getting him a year later, and he'll be back in the right system. Granted they'll have to give up the last pick in the 6th round in '08.Fat Nick said:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
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Actually Harris got hung up on an illegal pick. Danieal Manning could have stopped Bush - but came up WAY short. And it's not the first time he was afraid to get his 'shoulders in there' and make the tackle. He faded physically and mentally pretty badly late in the season.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Brunell4MVP
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The Skins basically overpaid for a guy that didn't fit their system. The Skins ask their safeties to play in coverage, mainly because the DL is so bad. Archuletta sucks at coverage. So as bad of a move as it was to get him last year, it's a good move to dump the contract of a guy that can't contribute.
If the Bears make him play coverage, this is a terrible move for them. If they find a way to get him closer to the line, then a 6th round pick for a potential starter isn't so bad. And his salary really isn't all that high for a safety.
My guess, he still suxors in CHI. But
If the Bears make him play coverage, this is a terrible move for them. If they find a way to get him closer to the line, then a 6th round pick for a potential starter isn't so bad. And his salary really isn't all that high for a safety.
My guess, he still suxors in CHI. But
3nOut
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redman
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Ironically, he was playing cover-2 last year when he was exposed so badly in coverage that he was benched. The cover-2 wasn't the preferred scheme, but they were so beat up, particularly among the DB's, that they had to do it to try to limit the passing game against them. Again, maybe Lovie knows something about how to use the guy that others don't, but I'm pretty sure that that was the only team in the NFL that was willing to trade for AA. I don't get it but the 'Skins really lucked out in this deal.GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
The Bears run a pretty aggressive version of the Tampa-2 -- when they're in it, which isn't nearly as often as you'd think at times.
Lovie Smith, as the DC in St. Louis some years back, ran a similar scheme and used Archuleta in a pretty traditional strong safety role for most of the three years he was there. Near the line of scrimmage and more often in pass rush than in coverage in passing situations. Archuleta was also used as a WLB of sorts during one season when the Rams had major injury issues at LB.
If he starts in 2007, I doubt the Bears will run nearly as much Cover-2. If they do, it'll probably all be Tampa-2 with Urlacher really getting deep to cut down the space Archuleta is responsible for. Even with those kinds of philosophical changes, Archuleta still needs to be paired with a decent cover safety. That could still be Danieal Manning, if he can become more consistent, but it could easily be Mike Brown (if healthy). It's not a stretch to say that a healthy Brown is the best cover safety on the roster. No homer comments on Peanut Tillman, please.
If nothing else, he's a solid hedge at SS if Brown can't return. Chris Harris is about as poor in coverage at times as Archuleta and Todd Johnson is gone.
Lovie Smith, as the DC in St. Louis some years back, ran a similar scheme and used Archuleta in a pretty traditional strong safety role for most of the three years he was there. Near the line of scrimmage and more often in pass rush than in coverage in passing situations. Archuleta was also used as a WLB of sorts during one season when the Rams had major injury issues at LB.
If he starts in 2007, I doubt the Bears will run nearly as much Cover-2. If they do, it'll probably all be Tampa-2 with Urlacher really getting deep to cut down the space Archuleta is responsible for. Even with those kinds of philosophical changes, Archuleta still needs to be paired with a decent cover safety. That could still be Danieal Manning, if he can become more consistent, but it could easily be Mike Brown (if healthy). It's not a stretch to say that a healthy Brown is the best cover safety on the roster. No homer comments on Peanut Tillman, please.
If nothing else, he's a solid hedge at SS if Brown can't return. Chris Harris is about as poor in coverage at times as Archuleta and Todd Johnson is gone.
