Being Drafted at His Ceiling....the new saying... (4 Viewers)

[Joe Bryant]

I don't like the word bellcow for running backs.

It's just dumb.

Interesting. I like it as it's useful and people understand what you mean with one word.

I don't disagree the word itself is kind of silly.

What word do you use there?

 

[ChiefD]

I don't like the word bellcow for running backs.

It's just dumb.

Interesting. I like it as it's useful and people understand what you mean with one word.

I don't disagree the word itself is kind of silly.

What word do you use there?

Stud.

 

[BobbyLayne]

When I’m considering multiple same position players, my projected ceiling / upside is a pretty strong tiebreaker. I used to believe it was OK to just be content with drafting a few consistent, steady Eddie floor guys while I was building out my lineup in the draft. But I now believe that’s not an optimal strategy.

Players who massively outperform their ADP are the key to being a league winner. Intentionally going after high variance players with a path to upside trumps taking guys who will perform to their ADP.

The phrase is overused, for sure - but taking chances on big upside players (e.g., not drafting players at their ceiling wrt ADP) is an essential core value, regardless of what you call it.

Of course, I also have misses in my projections/rankings every year. That’s understood, no one is perfect, we’re dealing with range of outcomes based on publicly available information (which is inherently incomplete.)

I would contend those caveats do not invalidate the philosophy.

 

[Joe Bryant]

For sure there will be misses. There will likely be a lot of misses.

But I always ask, "What's the alternative way to rank players then?"

Projecting is far from perfect. But it's still the best way to draft in my opinion.

 

[packdog]

I mean really we don't ever get somebody at "their floor" do we....?....is their an example of that...?...to me that would mean a guy really felll in a draft or something and represented value.....

maybe scary terry this year. at like wr30ish in drafts atm.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I mean really we don't ever get somebody at "their floor" do we....?....is their an example of that...?...to me that would mean a guy really felll in a draft or something and represented value.....

Hopefully get some. But it's almost a case of where drafters will have different ideas of the floor and ceiling. That's what makes it fun.

 

[Ilov80s]

I don't like the word bellcow for running backs.

It's just dumb.

Interesting. I like it as it's useful and people understand what you mean with one word.

I don't disagree the word itself is kind of silly.

What word do you use there?

Stud.

Hmmm to me those are slightly different things. I’ve always taken bellcow to imply a really high workload- someone who will play 3 downs, short yardage, catch passes. Typically that translates to being a stud in fantasy but not always. For example Joe Mixon, Rachaad White and Tony Pollard last year were among the tops in the league in carries and targets but I’m not sure they are studs and definitely aren’t being drafted as such this year.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't like the word bellcow for running backs.

It's just dumb.

Interesting. I like it as it's useful and people understand what you mean with one word.

I don't disagree the word itself is kind of silly.

What word do you use there?

Stud.

Hmmm to me those are slightly different things. I’ve always taken bell to imply a really high workload- someone who will play 3 downs, short yardage, catch passes. Typically that translates to being a stud in fantasy but not always. For example Joe Mixon, Rachaad White and Tony Pollard last year were among the tops in the league in carries and targets but I’m not sure they are studs and definitely aren’t being drafted as such this year.

Absolutely. Assumed stud was a joke.

Bell Cow is super useful for describing a RB. Especially since they're becoming so rare.

 

[ChiefD]

I don't like the word bellcow for running backs.

It's just dumb.

Interesting. I like it as it's useful and people understand what you mean with one word.

I don't disagree the word itself is kind of silly.

What word do you use there?

Stud.

Hmmm to me those are slightly different things. I’ve always taken bell to imply a really high workload- someone who will play 3 downs, short yardage, catch passes. Typically that translates to being a stud in fantasy but not always. For example Joe Mixon, Rachaad White and Tony Pollard last year were among the tops in the league in carries and targets but I’m not sure they are studs and definitely aren’t being drafted as such this year.

Absolutely. Assumed stud was a joke.

Bell Cow is super useful for describing a RB. Especially since they're becoming so rare.

Not a joke. To me a stud is the same as what ilov80's is describing.

A guy who will stay in on all 3 downs and will get the main share of carries and targets for a team. I just don't like the word bellcow in this situation. I don't know why. It just seemed some made up word to describe a stud.

Like, when I started in FF 35 years ago, everyone knew who the studs were. He was THE GUY at each position.

Bellcow is basically a made up word to describe a stud. I'm an old guy. What can I say.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I don't know about you guys but I love me some cowbell

 

[greenmountaingoat]

One content creator develops a catchy phrase and next thing you know, the ubiquity wears on us. Fickle bunch, we are.