Belichick, Pioli Speak out on Spygate, Walsh (1 Viewer)

[Mungo Burrows]

He was told by Kraft to speak with the media and given a script to follow OR else. The ONLY reason BB is out there speaking is damage control and to condemn any recording if evidence is produced.

That's kind of how I read it also. It's consistent with the NFL and the Patriots working hand-in-hand to treat Walsh as an enemy. They previously hired an ex-FBI agent to investigate him to --- gosh, I wonder why they did that. It couldn't be to dig up things to use to denounce him, could it? Then they say they're offering him indemnity if he'll talk to them and hand over what he has --- but their indemnification language is limited and will easily allow the Patriots to sue Walsh without the NFL providing any protection at all. So what's next in the PR campaign for the league and the Patriots? Personal visits to, and signed autographs for, the committee members before the next Congressional hearing? Calling current and former team members to "refresh their memories"?

What about a former Offensive Coordinator like Charlie Weis? OC for Pats 2000-2004; he'd know about as much as anyone just how much 'material' was gathered on opponent's defensive setups. This is one avenue I've yet to hear someone show an interest in but seems plausible he might talk if a subpoena was issued.

lol.. and when he states, "he has no recollection of all of this spygate stuff".. you would have another name to add to your HATE list

Not to mention, if a schmuck like walsh has a nda, I'm sure weis's is 10 times more restricitve since he was much higher in the ranks and privvy to far more "trade secrets". Not to mention, he has an incentive not to spill the beans about what he knows because of what it would do to his reputation. Someone would have to point the finger at him to give enough cause for him to get subpoenaed and indemnified and even then he'd pull a clemens and deny everything.

 

[Kiddnets]

Please turn down the goofiness from all sides on this please.J

This is a good first step for BellichickAll he needs to do is admit:he stole a dying man's million dollarscompletely lied to the Jets as he was about to be introduced as "HC" - shameful use of a player who cheated death as a reason why he wasnt taking the job instead of....had an under the table agreement with NEHad an inappropriate relationship with a married secretary Sent her cash in Fed ex envelopes - sure the IRS is pleased with thatTreated his protege like Darth Vader for wanting to strike while the iron was hot and be a "HC"Acts like a jerk to the media and anyone who covers footballRefuses to call Mangini by his name to the pressPhysically assaults a photographer for having the audacity to do his jobStormed off the field in a show of poor sportsmanship 101 in the biggest event of the yearOh yeah - - -and he cheated for years based on a misinterpretation? As I said - a good start but a LONG way to go to step up from slime to pondscum IMO......but thats just me!

So much for good advice. lmao.

how is that goofy? That is a precise history of what Bellichick has done - name one fact above that is incorrect - when reviewing the spygate issue it is critical to look at history and realize that there is a pattern with this coach. If it was a one time incident from a coach with a spotless record like Dungy that is one thing - the baggage BB has shows that his credibility is zero. That is an issue when dealing with spygate - goofiness is linking to a youtube site of BB stealing someone's Madden plays or something - I am completely serious with the above - he is perhaps the most questionable coach in the league as far as his actions (Parcells not far behind) and that is a serious consideration in this issue.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I don't hate the Patriots; in fact I rooted for them in 2001 after they beat the Steelers. I fell for the whole Sept. 11th deal and thought it felt right to root for them. Now we find out that they taped the Steelers that year in the regular season as well as the AFC Championship game (not to mention 2004 same thing) so now I'm pissed. Put yourself in the teams' shoes against whom your team cheated; wouldn't you be upset if your team lost to a team that knowingly cheated and has been for several years? I've called for the Superbowls to be vacated but I would settle for just having Belichick banned to restore integrety to the league and the Patriots.

The New England Patriots' taping of opposing coaches' signals did not affect the outcome of games against the Steelers, including two AFC Championship games, Steelers chairman Dan Rooney said Friday.

"We consider the tapes of our coaching staff during our games against the New England Patriots to be a non-issue," Rooney said in a statement. "In our opinion, they had no impact on the results of those games."

Mr. Rooney understands he is part of the NFL (like it or not) and must stand shoulder to shoulder with Goddell in this lest he lose millions by fans suing the NFL and possibly even the Steelers (we know lawyers will go after ANYONE who they think will pay). The NFL owners have to keep a sense of legitimency to all the prior SB or else they lose massive revenues in PR and sponsorship. Same with Cowher saying 'it didn't affect outcome'. He's part of Network broadcasting so he's not biting the hand that feeds him. Mike Tomlin (the Steelers current headcoach) thinks there is something to all the rumors; 'Where there's smoke, there's fire.'Go back to the quote from Hines Ward in the 2001 Season AFC Championship; "Oh, they knew," Ward said Wednesday. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."

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This is not news.Your team was outcoached and outplayed. On several occasions.

At least Dan Rooney has the integrity to acknowledge that; unlike you, grasping for straws because you can't handle the truth.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Bob Ryan was right, they went from most admired team with 45 guys running out of the tunnel at once, a team to be emulated by Pop Warner coaches, to to running up the score, and acting like an arrogant jerk, at some point Kraft has to step in and say enough.

Don't count it. In an interview on ESPN the week before the Super Bowl, Kraft said that Spygate actually made him and Belichick closer, so I wouldn't count on Kraft wanting to get rid of him any time soon. The Patriots win far too many games under Belichick for Kraft to even think of getting another head coach. Kraft cares about winning, more than anything else. Incidentally, as much as Kraft was all over the place in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, I haven't seen a whiff of him since they lost to the Giants.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Please turn down the goofiness from all sides on this please.

J

This is a good first step for Bellichick

All he needs to do is admit:

he stole a dying man's million dollars

Wow. How come he didn't get arrested?

completely lied to the Jets as he was about to be introduced as "HC" - shameful use of a player who cheated death as a reason why he wasnt taking the job instead of....

So now what you choose to characterize as shameful action represents "facts"?

had an under the table agreement with NE

Shocking. I've never heard of such a thing in professional sports.

Had an inappropriate relationship with a married secretary

Perhaps we should brand a scarlet letter on his forehead?

Sent her cash in Fed ex envelopes - sure the IRS is pleased with that

Don't know how the IRS feels, as this is an old story and no action has been taken.

Treated his protege like Darth Vader for wanting to strike while the iron was hot and be a "HC"

Did he attack him with a light saber, or use Jedi mind tricks on the weak-willed?

Acts like a jerk to the media and anyone who covers football

Off with his head!

Refuses to call Mangini by his name to the press



Shameful display of true feelings. Kinda reminds me of Parcells calling TO "The Player".

Physically assaults a photographer for having the audacity to do his job

Wow; sounds bad....did the photography sustain any injuries?

Stormed off the field in a show of poor sportsmanship 101 in the biggest event of the year

Your argument is really building up momentum here...

Oh yeah - - -and he cheated for years based on a misinterpretation?

Oooooh; good one!

As I said - a good start but a LONG way to go to step up from slime to pondscum IMO......but thats just me!

So much for good advice. lmao.

how is that goofy? That is a precise history of what Bellichick has done - name one fact above that is incorrect - when reviewing the spygate issue it is critical to look at history and realize that there is a pattern with this coach. If it was a one time incident from a coach with a spotless record like Dungy that is one thing - the baggage BB has shows that his credibility is zero.

That is an issue when dealing with spygate - goofiness is linking to a youtube site of BB stealing someone's Madden plays or something - I am completely serious with the above - he is perhaps the most questionable coach in the league as far as his actions (Parcells not far behind) and that is a serious consideration in this issue.

Look at yourself, man. Show some self-respect.

 

[Tau837]

Belichick = Colonel Nathan R Jessup

We can't handle the truth!

 

[Kiddnets]

Please turn down the goofiness from all sides on this please.

J

This is a good first step for Bellichick

All he needs to do is admit:

he stole a dying man's million dollars

Wow. How come he didn't get arrested?

completely lied to the Jets as he was about to be introduced as "HC" - shameful use of a player who cheated death as a reason why he wasnt taking the job instead of....

So now what you choose to characterize as shameful action represents "facts"?

had an under the table agreement with NE

Shocking. I've never heard of such a thing in professional sports.

Had an inappropriate relationship with a married secretary

Perhaps we should brand a scarlet letter on his forehead?

Sent her cash in Fed ex envelopes - sure the IRS is pleased with that

Don't know how the IRS feels, as this is an old story and no action has been taken.

Treated his protege like Darth Vader for wanting to strike while the iron was hot and be a "HC"

Did he attack him with a light saber, or use Jedi mind tricks on the weak-willed?

Acts like a jerk to the media and anyone who covers football

Off with his head!

Refuses to call Mangini by his name to the press



Shameful display of true feelings. Kinda reminds me of Parcells calling TO "The Player".

Physically assaults a photographer for having the audacity to do his job

Wow; sounds bad....did the photography sustain any injuries?

Stormed off the field in a show of poor sportsmanship 101 in the biggest event of the year

Your argument is really building up momentum here...

Oh yeah - - -and he cheated for years based on a misinterpretation?

Oooooh; good one!

As I said - a good start but a LONG way to go to step up from slime to pondscum IMO......but thats just me!

So much for good advice. lmao.

how is that goofy? That is a precise history of what Bellichick has done - name one fact above that is incorrect - when reviewing the spygate issue it is critical to look at history and realize that there is a pattern with this coach. If it was a one time incident from a coach with a spotless record like Dungy that is one thing - the baggage BB has shows that his credibility is zero.

That is an issue when dealing with spygate - goofiness is linking to a youtube site of BB stealing someone's Madden plays or something - I am completely serious with the above - he is perhaps the most questionable coach in the league as far as his actions (Parcells not far behind) and that is a serious consideration in this issue.

Look at yourself, man. Show some self-respect.

I can look at myself in the mirror - its amazing that BB can as well. Just giving his history - you can downplay it all you want. Its also a joke how blind Pats fans can laugh off the above and still defend him - as a Jet fan I think Parcells is almost as despicable as BB for what he has done in his career - including screwing over the Pats during their Super Bowl week by secretly talking to the Jets. And Parcells pulld the JEts out from the Kotite debacle.

 

[Class Dismissed]

Belichick saying he "couldn't pick Matt Walsh out of a lineup" and Pioli noting that part of the reason for Walsh's firing was because of him secretly tape-recording conversations.

Interesting choice of words for Belichick, don't ya think. What are you saying Bill, that Matt Walsh belongs in a line up, OK I get it.That statement alone tells me what the PATS true intent with this interview is. Smear Walsh, prepare the public for the tapes.

I can't wait until the PI airs his dirt.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Belichick saying he "couldn't pick Matt Walsh out of a lineup" and Pioli noting that part of the reason for Walsh's firing was because of him secretly tape-recording conversations.

Interesting choice of words for Belichick, don't ya think. What are you saying Bill, that Matt Walsh belongs in a line up, OK I get it.That statement alone tells me what the PATS true intent with this interview is. Smear Walsh, prepare the public for the tapes.

I can't wait until the PI airs his dirt.

You've never heard that phrase before? BB was not implying that Walsh belongs in a lineup.....

 

[Filthy]

This is not news.

Your team was outcoached and outplayed. On several occasions.

At least Dan Rooney has the integrity to acknowledge that; unlike you, grasping for straws because you can't handle the truth.

I'm sure the Pats have film of that, huh?! Bill is such a great coach and so insightful; it's almost like he knew what the Steelers were going to do!Grasping for straws? Just like the Patriot fans holding onto 'Walsh is bitter' 'Walsh acted alone' 'Bill Belichick didn't authorize it' 'The Patriots didn't use that film' 'It couldn't affect the outcome of a game' etc.......

Seriously, the truth is that Bill Belichick cheated, has been since at least 2000 and the Patriots benefited from it hence their legacy and their once claim of a Dynasty will forever be tarnished. I feel pity for the sane Patriot fans out there. Not only do they have to endure their team being trashed for cheating but they also have to endure these farfetched theories, spun by other Patriot fans, to explain away the obvious conclusions. The Patriots are champions of nothing but cheating.

 

[GregR_2]

A prediction: At some point in the future the main argument around here on this topic is going to have turned into, "If the Patriots knew that an employee secretly and illegally recorded another team's Super Bowl walk through, should they have informed the NFL of the matter?"

 

[Filthy]

A prediction: At some point in the future the main argument around here on this topic is going to have turned into, "If the Patriots knew that an employee secretly and illegally recorded another team's Super Bowl walk through, should they have informed the NFL of the matter?"

I wouldn't bet against that becoming the next in a long list of possible yet improbable excuses to come to out to explain away the cheating.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

This is not news.

Your team was outcoached and outplayed. On several occasions.

At least Dan Rooney has the integrity to acknowledge that; unlike you, grasping for straws because you can't handle the truth.

I'm sure the Pats have film of that, huh?! Bill is such a great coach and so insightful; it's almost like he knew what the Steelers were going to do!Grasping for straws? Just like the Patriot fans holding onto 'Walsh is bitter' 'Walsh acted alone' 'Bill Belichick didn't authorize it' 'The Patriots didn't use that film' 'It couldn't affect the outcome of a game' etc.......

Seriously, the truth is that Bill Belichick cheated, has been since at least 2000 and the Patriots benefited from it hence their legacy and their once claim of a Dynasty will forever be tarnished. I feel pity for the sane Patriot fans out there. Not only do they have to endure their team being trashed for cheating but they also have to endure these farfetched theories, spun by other Patriot fans, to explain away the obvious conclusions. The Patriots are champions of nothing but cheating.

I don't like your pale green font.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

One thing that has become clear to me through all of this is that Roger Goodell is simply a "good 'ole boy".

Goodell came out of the box firing on all cylinders. Mr Tough, ready to clean up the NFL with his "tough on crime" stance. That is as long as the offender is a young Black athlete from the inner city. Record fines and suspensions for guys like Tank, PacMan, Mike Vick. Decisions and verdict that I actually applauded at the time.

However, now Goodell has had deal with his first ever issue that deals with the league's establishment, who happens to be the White Good Old Boys (Kraft and BB). First, a light slap in the wrist to the Pats, with no suspension. A half-a## investigation that made little effort to go back and explore the depths of the Pats "dirty tricks" (or at least the accusations). What evidence was captured by the NFL was then destroyed. Even when prompted by Washington (Spector), Goodell is slow to act -- Why not simply "Mandate" that the Pats provide Walsh with complete immunity from future legal actions in exchange for learning the "truth"?

I'm sure that Roger will be tough in telling the PacMan Joneses of the world that they need to further rehabilitate themselves before re-entering the NFL, while quickly sweeping under the rug any allegations of "ethics violations" with regards to one of his own kind.

 

[{Syrus}]

It's hilarious that that a handful of Pats loyalists are the same delusional fans sticking up for their cheating team...twitch, seniorvbdstudent, road warriors, etc. All we need is EOM to round out this motley crew.

Here they are standing proudly this morning that Bellicheck and Pioli are talking, yet through their rose-colored sunglasses they fail to see that this talking does nothing more than confirm publicly straight from the horse's mouth that Bill Bellicheck is admitting to cheating. Now remind me why we're supposed to believe a coach who has admitted to cheating or any organizational member of a cheating team with anything they have to say about Walsh? Fact is, nobody believes them except these desperate Pats fans. This organization is quickly becoming joke from Owner to fans.

 

[{Syrus}]

Im a Pats fan, so I wont begin to offer an opinion yet. We all know why.

Because youre Bill Belichick's puppet?

Ah, another satisfied customer. Dont you have some rings to polish? Seriously. Arent we all puppets to some degree? Doesnt some loyalty to one thing or another demand this of us? To our dogs when they attack the mailman? To our kids when they cheat on a test or steal from the liquor cabinet? To our spouses when they run astray or ruin the family credit? Or do we just write them off? We wash our hands clean and forget about 'em. No. We tend to NOT give up on people. Generally speaking. Apparently, football and the New England Patriots are immune to that condition. Competition, winning, high scores and jealousy all factor in to some degree. Which I understand. Hate should really never, truly enter into it. Its a fun word to use in sports. It just shouldnt really be applied. Literally. jmho.

I see you're trying to shut out that crushing SuperBowl loss out of your mind, haha. For months you were here on these boards spouting off how that Lombardi trophy would be in Foxboro, and now you have nothing to hold onto except trying to convince us all that the Pats are not a cheating organization? Too late. They have already been proven to be cheaters since the year 2000. And again I ask you, how is that James Laurinaits pick coming along?

 

[Filthy]

I don't like your pale green font.

Fixed; my bad.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

It's hilarious that that a handful of Pats loyalists are the same delusional fans sticking up for their cheating team...twitch, seniorvbdstudent, road warriors, etc. All we need is EOM to round out this motley crew. Here they are standing proudly this morning that Bellicheck and Pioli are talking, yet through their rose-colored sunglasses they fail to see that this talking does nothing more than confirm publicly straight from the horse's mouth that Bill Bellicheck is admitting to cheating. Now remind me why we're supposed to believe a coach who has admitted to cheating or any organizational member of a cheating team with anything they have to say about Walsh? Fact is, nobody believes them except these desperate Pats fans. This organization is quickly becoming joke from Owner to fans.

Look at me! I'm important! My opinions matter!

 

[Filthy]

Look at me! I'm important! My opinions matter!

Guess people on both sides of this issue think the same of the other side. In all seriousness, I think if left to the true NFL fans there would be a comprimise reached somewhere between what the Pats fans want to happen (nothing more; let this go and don't dig deeper) and what the anti-Pats want (3 Lombardi trophies repo-d, Bill Belichick fired and Patriots pay reparations to all teams/fans affected by it). I'm guessing like 2 first round draft picks (this year's remaining one and next year's) + Bill Belichick banned from the game.

 

[PatsFoxboro]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

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[SeniorVBDStudent]

Look at me! I'm important! My opinions matter!

Guess people on both sides of this issue think the same of the other side. In all seriousness, I think if left to the true NFL fans there would be a comprimise reached somewhere between what the Pats fans want to happen (nothing more; let this go and don't dig deeper) and what the anti-Pats want (3 Lombardi trophies repo-d, Bill Belichick fired and Patriots pay reparations to all teams/fans affected by it). I'm guessing like 2 first round draft picks (this year's remaining one and next year's) + Bill Belichick banned from the game.

Riiiiight.Dan Rooney, Jon Gruden, Bill Parcells, Mike Ditka, Mike Martz, **** Vermeil, Jason Taylor, Howie Long, Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, among others would disagree with you.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

LOL as fishing goes this is pretty funny.

 

[{Syrus}]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

Classy post. Thank you. We're aware that the Pats apologists on this board are the minority, but it's good to hear that coming from someone who lives in Boston. You'veraised your son well.

 

[Kiddnets]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

If this is true I finally found a Pats fan I respect!!!!!

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

Classy post. Thank you. We're aware that the Pats apologists on this board are the minority, but it's good to hear that coming from someone who lives in Boston. You'veraised your son well.

don't forget to log out and switch accounts before your re-quote yourself and say thanks.

 

[Filthy]

Alias check please:

PatsFoxboro = Syrus

Remember the Coke commercial with Joe Green throwing the kid his jersey? Fast forward to 2008 where camera shows kids in Brazil wearing the 19-0 tshirts then a kid donates Patriot shirt with a tear in his eye; fade out with James Earl Jones stating 'Charity; turning something bad into something good'

 

[Das Boot]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Im a Pats fan, so I wont begin to offer an opinion yet. We all know why.

Because youre Bill Belichick's puppet?

Can you guess where Belichick's hand is?

 

[phthalatemagic]

I've been a born and raised Pats fan, long-time lurker on this board, and now feel the need to voice the opinion of a sane Patriots fan. Please, please do not think all Patriots fans are like the clowns you are seeing in these threads defending the Patriots actions. Most of my friends and coworkers here in Boston are disgusted with the behavior of the team over the past season and prior seasons, including the way they treated some of our classy veterans. I feel embarrassed to be a fan of a team with such a black cloud hovering over it, and rightly so since BB has admitted to cheating. I used to look forward to the NFL draft but I know the Patriots will be short a 1st round pick due to BB's stupidity, and the talk all day will be about SpyGate. Again, I stress that most people here in Boston/Foxboro are truly disgusted with the organization and many of us are questioning whether to support this team any longer. My 10-year-old son donated his Patriots jersey to the Salvation Army. When I asked him why, he responded: "Daddy, you've always told me cheating wasn't good. I'm not a cheater and won't wear a jersey of cheaters." I hugged him tightly and was thankful at least someone here in Boston understood the difference between right and wrong. I apologize for the ridiculous behavior of those Patriots fans on these boards that defend the actions of the organization. And to them all I have to say is have some self-respect for yourselves and quit making the majority of Pats Nation that is disgusted with th teams behavior look foolish.

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If there is a fishing part, it's the part where he says he's a born and raised Pats fan. We all know that doens't exist

 

[jonessed]

Looks like a nice defensive setup where they come out and say he was fired for recording without authorization before he lets go the tapes.

And BB with respecting the integrity of the game

 

[AB in DC]

About time that BB decided to stick up for himself. Will all the bashing and accusations going unanswered for 5+ months I was about to call him Bill Belukakis.

 

[pizzatyme]

So what other rules that seem pretty clear to everyone else are open to interpretation by Bill Belichick as to whether he follows them or not? Is he going to utter the famous words 'depends on what your meaning of the word is 'is? So with all we know about this guy; cheating, homewrecker, pressuring players to play with concussions, being a poor sportsman, etc...I ask you Patriot fans when is enough enough? When are you gonna stand up and demand some class from your coach?

Patriot fans, please don't use ANYTHING Bill Belichick says as a personal floatation device while avoiding the Patriots sinking ship of a Legacy. He was told by Kraft to speak with the media and given a script to follow OR else. The ONLY reason BB is out there speaking is damage control and to condemn any recording if evidence is produced.

ouch.

Uh, there's really no such thing as an "ouch" at this point. An ouch is losing a pre-season game. "Ouches" dont last 6 months driven by jealous rage and beg a league to banish a coach and rename its champions . No sir. That's not an ouch. That's full-blown mind-possession. Belichick's opinion on this rule has been available to us all for 6 months. That rule is vague, and any B-level attorney would have a field day with it in court. The fact of the matter is, there is no actual rule that simply reads, "Teams cannot video tape other teams' coaching signals". Or something to that effect. In simple, specific, letter of the law wording. And the NFL has certainly had years and years to install such a rule. It doesnt exist. It only limits the communication of such video during games. Belichick could certainly be setting himself up as a liar, because he's clearly stated in the article, " What our camera guys do is clearly not allowed to be used during the game and has never been used during that game that it was shot." That's it right there. The meat of spygate. Other teams, certainly not all, and perhaps not many, but others tape signals. Its how theyre used once recorded that can distort that intention.

The SB walkthrough taping is another story. I dont think BB's trying to mince words here. Generally, when you go to the plate with the old, "Any way, shape or form" references, youre trying to make yourself pretty clear. So he's said it. He's said he had nothing to do with taping another team's practice or walkthrough. Ever. It may not be what everyone wants to hear. We may not all believe it. But he's on record, which is more actual information than was available to us all yesterday. Because right now, everyone's a detective. And everyone's John Grisham. And everyone's a co-host of 'The View'. Facts and references are never a bad thing when youre looking to get famous or unsolve mysteries. And so far, we've had little of either.

Twitch,Serious question...Is the rule vague on whether or not you may tape the opponents from the sideline?

Not one bit, to my recollection. Its specific about the camera needing to be under a roof, inaccessible to coaches, etc. That point is correct and taken. I was speaking to the general notion that taping coaches signals period is somehow viewed as illegal. Im not defending BB one bit for keeping his guy on the sidelines. he could have had him filming whatever he needed in another location doing exactly the same thing. And all of this BS could have been avoided. But NE won 18 straight games this year without the use of whatever edge that was being brought to the table. I dont place much value in it. And whatever that edge was didnt help them beat the Colts last year ('06 season). or Miami who hammered them 21-0. Both during a 2nd matchup of the season. I dont care how long he's been doing it. Ive said it before. I'll say it again. if its good enough for Bill Cowher, the Rooneys, Andy Reid, and countless other men in professional football who actually know things, its good enough for me. But that's just me.

Thanks for the response. I wasn't trying to make a point. I really wasn't sure of the rule. It's just too bad that this has to tarnish what they've accomplished. Or even worse, if it helped them to accomplish what they did.What a shame, either way. BB has disgraced Mr. Kraft and the organization IMO.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

So what other rules that seem pretty clear to everyone else are open to interpretation by Bill Belichick as to whether he follows them or not? Is he going to utter the famous words 'depends on what your meaning of the word is 'is? So with all we know about this guy; cheating, homewrecker, pressuring players to play with concussions, being a poor sportsman, etc...I ask you Patriot fans when is enough enough? When are you gonna stand up and demand some class from your coach?

Patriot fans, please don't use ANYTHING Bill Belichick says as a personal floatation device while avoiding the Patriots sinking ship of a Legacy. He was told by Kraft to speak with the media and given a script to follow OR else. The ONLY reason BB is out there speaking is damage control and to condemn any recording if evidence is produced.

ouch.

Uh, there's really no such thing as an "ouch" at this point. An ouch is losing a pre-season game. "Ouches" dont last 6 months driven by jealous rage and beg a league to banish a coach and rename its champions . No sir. That's not an ouch. That's full-blown mind-possession. Belichick's opinion on this rule has been available to us all for 6 months. That rule is vague, and any B-level attorney would have a field day with it in court. The fact of the matter is, there is no actual rule that simply reads, "Teams cannot video tape other teams' coaching signals". Or something to that effect. In simple, specific, letter of the law wording. And the NFL has certainly had years and years to install such a rule. It doesnt exist. It only limits the communication of such video during games. Belichick could certainly be setting himself up as a liar, because he's clearly stated in the article, " What our camera guys do is clearly not allowed to be used during the game and has never been used during that game that it was shot." That's it right there. The meat of spygate. Other teams, certainly not all, and perhaps not many, but others tape signals. Its how theyre used once recorded that can distort that intention.

The SB walkthrough taping is another story. I dont think BB's trying to mince words here. Generally, when you go to the plate with the old, "Any way, shape or form" references, youre trying to make yourself pretty clear. So he's said it. He's said he had nothing to do with taping another team's practice or walkthrough. Ever. It may not be what everyone wants to hear. We may not all believe it. But he's on record, which is more actual information than was available to us all yesterday. Because right now, everyone's a detective. And everyone's John Grisham. And everyone's a co-host of 'The View'. Facts and references are never a bad thing when youre looking to get famous or unsolve mysteries. And so far, we've had little of either.

Twitch,Serious question...Is the rule vague on whether or not you may tape the opponents from the sideline?

Not one bit, to my recollection. Its specific about the camera needing to be under a roof, inaccessible to coaches, etc. That point is correct and taken. I was speaking to the general notion that taping coaches signals period is somehow viewed as illegal. Im not defending BB one bit for keeping his guy on the sidelines. he could have had him filming whatever he needed in another location doing exactly the same thing. And all of this BS could have been avoided. But NE won 18 straight games this year without the use of whatever edge that was being brought to the table. I dont place much value in it. And whatever that edge was didnt help them beat the Colts last year ('06 season). or Miami who hammered them 21-0. Both during a 2nd matchup of the season. I dont care how long he's been doing it. Ive said it before. I'll say it again. if its good enough for Bill Cowher, the Rooneys, Andy Reid, and countless other men in professional football who actually know things, its good enough for me. But that's just me.

Thanks for the response. I wasn't trying to make a point. I really wasn't sure of the rule. It's just too bad that this has to tarnish what they've accomplished. Or even worse, if it helped them to accomplish what they did.What a shame, either way. BB has disgraced Mr. Kraft and the organization IMO.

pizzatyme, are you saying this because you assume Walsh video'ed the walkthrough under the direction of BB, or that BB systematically videotaped during his tenure at NE, or because BB was found guilty of a Week 1 2007 violation of a guidance memo?Serious question; I want to understand the root of your perspective.

 

[Workhorse]

Here's one thing about this whole Walsh indemnity thing that I don't understand. Can someone who's a lawyer clarify this for me?

* IF Walsh has tapes, then he would be covered under the indemnity clause that the NFL is willing to grant him, right?

* The only thing that the league is unwilling to do is to grant him unlimited indemnity, which would presumably cover Walsh for making statements that are eventually found to be untrue.

* Walsh, wants protection for statements that he BELIEVES to be true, but may eventually be proven to be false. I thought I saw something in there about him asking for indemnity for information presented "in good faith" that may end up not being true. Is that correct?

 

[sho nuff]

I find the bile spewing forth actually makes me feel better, as it is such a naked exposure of how objectified some peoples worlds are.The only thing better than this experience, is basking in the open honesty of Belichick, and seeing Matt Walsh exposed for the fraud that he is. News Flash - even if you want to lump Pioli in with Belichick and the other "satan"s of the world, you've still got to deal with the fact that they've got other employees willing to step up and call this guy out for attempting to frame or otherwise besmirch the organization as part of his termination.This is a GREAT DAY for Patriots fans. And for truth.

Did you just call BB honest? Good lord you have been brainwashed.The organization has been tarnished...you don't want to believe it...but the rest of the sane world knows it. Your boys got busted cheating...then lost in the biggest game there is.

 

[poopdawg]

I find the bile spewing forth actually makes me feel better, as it is such a naked exposure of how objectified some peoples worlds are.The only thing better than this experience, is basking in the open honesty of Belichick, and seeing Matt Walsh exposed for the fraud that he is. News Flash - even if you want to lump Pioli in with Belichick and the other "satan"s of the world, you've still got to deal with the fact that they've got other employees willing to step up and call this guy out for attempting to frame or otherwise besmirch the organization as part of his termination.This is a GREAT DAY for Patriots fans. And for truth.

Did you just call BB honest? Good lord you have been brainwashed.The organization has been tarnished...you don't want to believe it...but the rest of the sane world knows it. Your boys got busted cheating...then lost in the biggest game there is.

Yeah, and BB says he respects the integrity of the game, so you know everything else must be true.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I find the bile spewing forth actually makes me feel better, as it is such a naked exposure of how objectified some peoples worlds are.The only thing better than this experience, is basking in the open honesty of Belichick, and seeing Matt Walsh exposed for the fraud that he is. News Flash - even if you want to lump Pioli in with Belichick and the other "satan"s of the world, you've still got to deal with the fact that they've got other employees willing to step up and call this guy out for attempting to frame or otherwise besmirch the organization as part of his termination.This is a GREAT DAY for Patriots fans. And for truth.

Did you just call BB honest? Good lord you have been brainwashed.The organization has been tarnished...you don't want to believe it...but the rest of the sane world knows it. Your boys got busted cheating...then lost in the biggest game there is.

Based on the fact that you choose to pepper your editorial with a reminder of the Patriots SB loss, I conclude that your real agenda is to troll.Congratulations; you've invalidated your own post.

 

[AB in DC]

Yall can believe what you want, but I have seen no evidence that contradicts any of Belichick's statements. Until I do, I will continue to believe that he has been honest. It's that simple.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Yall can believe what you want, but I have seen no evidence that contradicts any of Belichick's statements. Until I do, I will continue to believe that he has been honest. It's that simple.

You are goin' to believe Bill Belichik. Good luck with that

 

[sho nuff]

I find the bile spewing forth actually makes me feel better, as it is such a naked exposure of how objectified some peoples worlds are.The only thing better than this experience, is basking in the open honesty of Belichick, and seeing Matt Walsh exposed for the fraud that he is. News Flash - even if you want to lump Pioli in with Belichick and the other "satan"s of the world, you've still got to deal with the fact that they've got other employees willing to step up and call this guy out for attempting to frame or otherwise besmirch the organization as part of his termination.This is a GREAT DAY for Patriots fans. And for truth.

Did you just call BB honest? Good lord you have been brainwashed.The organization has been tarnished...you don't want to believe it...but the rest of the sane world knows it. Your boys got busted cheating...then lost in the biggest game there is.

Based on the fact that you choose to pepper your editorial with a reminder of the Patriots SB loss, I conclude that your real agenda is to troll.Congratulations; you've invalidated your own post.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!As if your blatant homerism does not invalidate your post?No agenda to troll. Read the statements...and find that the ridiculously biased Pats homers might be living with the worst case of denial I have ever seen in my life.

 

[twitch]

Here's one thing about this whole Walsh indemnity thing that I don't understand. Can someone who's a lawyer clarify this for me?* IF Walsh has tapes, then he would be covered under the indemnity clause that the NFL is willing to grant him, right? * The only thing that the league is unwilling to do is to grant him unlimited indemnity, which would presumably cover Walsh for making statements that are eventually found to be untrue. * Walsh, wants protection for statements that he BELIEVES to be true, but may eventually be proven to be false. I thought I saw something in there about him asking for indemnity for information presented "in good faith" that may end up not being true. Is that correct?

WH-not a lawyer. dont pretend to be one. but one of the sticking points with Walsh's indemnity situation is that the NFL and the Pats are offering their own safety from lawsuits of their own 'companies'. But they are not willing to offer protection against lawsuits placed by other entities, similarly as the groups that have sued the Pats on behalf of both the Jets and Rams. Basically if he gets sued by anyone other than an NFL team or the NFL itself, he'll more or less be exposed to unprotected peril. Bottom line, imo. Walsh doesnt really want any part of this. Never has. Just wanted to contribute to a NE SB loss and being a thorn. He's in a little over his head at this point. And he's got a world of interested observers just waiting for him to deliver something. anything. and that may very well never happen.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I find the bile spewing forth actually makes me feel better, as it is such a naked exposure of how objectified some peoples worlds are.The only thing better than this experience, is basking in the open honesty of Belichick, and seeing Matt Walsh exposed for the fraud that he is. News Flash - even if you want to lump Pioli in with Belichick and the other "satan"s of the world, you've still got to deal with the fact that they've got other employees willing to step up and call this guy out for attempting to frame or otherwise besmirch the organization as part of his termination.This is a GREAT DAY for Patriots fans. And for truth.

Did you just call BB honest? Good lord you have been brainwashed.The organization has been tarnished...you don't want to believe it...but the rest of the sane world knows it. Your boys got busted cheating...then lost in the biggest game there is.

Based on the fact that you choose to pepper your editorial with a reminder of the Patriots SB loss, I conclude that your real agenda is to troll.Congratulations; you've invalidated your own post.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!As if your blatant homerism does not invalidate your post?No agenda to troll. Read the statements...and find that the ridiculously biased Pats homers might be living with the worst case of denial I have ever seen in my life.

Denial about what, specifically? Like Obama, you appear to be long on theme and short on content.

 

[sho nuff]

I find the bile spewing forth actually makes me feel better, as it is such a naked exposure of how objectified some peoples worlds are.The only thing better than this experience, is basking in the open honesty of Belichick, and seeing Matt Walsh exposed for the fraud that he is. News Flash - even if you want to lump Pioli in with Belichick and the other "satan"s of the world, you've still got to deal with the fact that they've got other employees willing to step up and call this guy out for attempting to frame or otherwise besmirch the organization as part of his termination.This is a GREAT DAY for Patriots fans. And for truth.

Did you just call BB honest? Good lord you have been brainwashed.The organization has been tarnished...you don't want to believe it...but the rest of the sane world knows it. Your boys got busted cheating...then lost in the biggest game there is.

Based on the fact that you choose to pepper your editorial with a reminder of the Patriots SB loss, I conclude that your real agenda is to troll.Congratulations; you've invalidated your own post.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!As if your blatant homerism does not invalidate your post?No agenda to troll. Read the statements...and find that the ridiculously biased Pats homers might be living with the worst case of denial I have ever seen in my life.

Denial about what, specifically? Like Obama, you appear to be long on theme and short on content.

Denial that your team cheated.Denial that your team did benefit from such tactics.Denial that it was more than just the one tape from earlier this year.Denial that BB could do anything wrong.Obama? What the hell does my post have to do with him?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Denial about what, specifically? Like Obama, you appear to be long on theme and short on content.

Denial that your team cheated.Has not been denied by anyone for a very long time.

Denial that your team did benefit from such tactics.

The NFL Commissioner, and Steelers Owner Dan Rooney, among many others who happen to actually be affiliated with the NFL as opposed to arbitrary forum posters, disagree with you.

Denial that it was more than just the one tape from earlier this year.

Prior taping has been openly acknowledged by BB and the Commissioner, and was done openly by the Patriots and other teams around the league. Where is the denial?

Denial that BB could do anything wrong.

Now you're just coming with empty rhetoric.

Obama? What the hell does my post have to do with him?

Apparently, his campaign is being criticized for being long on theme and short on content. I found your posts to be similar in that regard

 

[fatness]

Like Obama,

I'd suggest leaving politics out of the discussion. No need to sink to that level.

 

[bryan215]

Quote from Class Dismissed:

Translation

Walsh has a tape, we didn't authorize it, in fact it's because of that kind of crap that we let him go.

We know Nothingk, NOTHINGK!



Quote from the article:

Belichick felt the Patriots' actions were in compliance with NFL rules, saying, "My interpretation was that you can't utilize anything to assist you during that game. What our camera guys do is clearly not allowed to be used during the game and has never been used during that game that it was shot."

So what other rules that seem pretty clear to everyone else are open to interpretation by Bill Belichick as to whether he follows them or not? Is he going to utter the famous words 'depends on what your meaning of the word is 'is? So with all we know about this guy; cheating, homewrecker, pressuring players to play with concussions, being a poor sportsman, etc...I ask you Patriot fans when is enough enough? When are you gonna stand up and demand some class from your coach?

Patriot fans, please don't use ANYTHING Bill Belichick says as a personal floatation device while avoiding the Patriots sinking ship of a Legacy. He was told by Kraft to speak with the media and given a script to follow OR else. The ONLY reason BB is out there speaking is damage control and to condemn any recording if evidence is produced.

You do realize in ten to 20 years no one will care or remember the spygate controversy..they'll just remember Brady, BB, 4 or 5 superbowls in 10 years and the 18-1 season.People forget the scandals, etc and just remember the good stuff

Same is true of Dallas Cowboys(drugs/crime/etc) and the 70s Steelers--steroid junkies

 

[GregR_2]

Here's one thing about this whole Walsh indemnity thing that I don't understand. Can someone who's a lawyer clarify this for me?

* IF Walsh has tapes, then he would be covered under the indemnity clause that the NFL is willing to grant him, right?

* The only thing that the league is unwilling to do is to grant him unlimited indemnity, which would presumably cover Walsh for making statements that are eventually found to be untrue.

* Walsh, wants protection for statements that he BELIEVES to be true, but may eventually be proven to be false. I thought I saw something in there about him asking for indemnity for information presented "in good faith" that may end up not being true. Is that correct?

The short answer, based on what I've heard from people who are lawyers (or at least claimed to be), the NFL's side is indeed lacking in the truth vs good faith area, as Walsh claims. But Walsh's side added other language, apart from the "good faith" aspect, that makes it too easy for him to get the NFL's protection on other lawsuits so long as he can at all tie them into his testimony, to the point where the NFL should not accept his side's proposal either.Ok, here's the details of that.

We've heard from one definite lawyer (Mike Florio of PFT), and from one poster (sorry, don't remember who or in which of the 4 threads it was) who said he's a lawyer. Florio addressed the "truthful" vs "good faith" aspect fairly well. I'll highlight a few spots but the whole thing is a good read:

As we see it, the sticking point is the league's insistence on "truthfulness" from Mr. Walsh. But truthfulness is in the eye of the beholder. As to Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte technically isn't being "truthful" regarding Pettitte's Congressional testimony that Clemens admitted to using HGH. Though Clemens isn't inclined to call his good friend Pettitte a liar, Clemens could have taken that approach, if he had so elected.

In this case, a reasonable reading of the indemnity language exchanged by the parties could cause a reasonable person to believe that the NFL and/or the Patriots are prepared to label anything and everything Walsh says as untruthful, even if he genuinely and in good faith believes his statement. Indeed, the Pats already have denied flatly any cheating in conjunction with Super Bowl XXXVI. So if Walsh says that he videotaped the Rams' walk-through (and if he doesn't have the tape to back it up), his version would instantly be called "untruthful" by the entity whose interests would be most clearly affected if what Walsh says is true.

In our view, "good faith" is the key. Walsh is willing to sacrifice indemnity upon a finding that any alleged untruthfulness was the product of bad faith on his part. In other words, he can be sued -- successfully -- if there's a finding that his statements to Senator Specter are made in bad faith. It's not full indemnity, and it exposes Walsh to litigation based on a contention that he's a disgruntled employee who stole sensitive materials in the hopes of later selling them to other teams, blackmailing the Patriots, and/or simply causing trouble when the opportunity to do so ever might arise.

But he would be shielded from a pissing match over who's right and who's wrong, with the NFL and/or the Pats potentially taking the position that if Walsh is simply incorrect it necessarily means that he's lying, and thus exposed to liability for his words, or his past actions in retaining club property.

I'll just add, I'm not a big fan of Mike Florio in a lot of ways (huge ego), but I don't have a dispute with his legal knowledge. And, he seems pretty fair-minded in that he's applying a critical eye to not just the NFL's offer, but to Walsh and his credibility as a witness. I'm not going to cut and paste the whole thing in here as it isn't the focus of your question I'm trying to answer, but go read PFT and you'll find an article devoted to an early evaluation of Walsh's credibility and pointing out any positives and negatives he's seen not just from Walsh but from the Pats tok, so that said, we had a FBG poster who said he was a lawyer who deals with indemnity agreements say that Walsh is asking for too much. He wasn't, IIRC, referring to anything to do with the good faith vs truth question, but was referring to other language that would allow Walsh to get the NFL's financial protection for any lawsuit that he could tie to his testimony or this case.

This is an example I'm coming up with, as I don't recall that poster giving one, so hopefully I'm on the right track with what he was saying. Let's say that at some point Walsh is able to write a book about what went on, and gets sued over some detail in his contract with his publisher. The wording of his side's indemnity proposal might allow him to get the NFL to pay his legal fees and pay if he loses, because it relates indirectly to his testimony to the NFL (see quote at bottom of my post). That isn't what the indemnity agreement is supposed to be about.. it's supposed to protect him from lawsuits from him violating the non-disclosure agreement, or being charged for having the Patriots property.

So, according to the poster who said he was a lawyer, Walsh's side is asking for too broad of protection. That does not, that I recall, have anything to do with the "truth" vs "good faith" issue, it's other language that they broadened of what would be covered.

I'm speculating as a non-lawyer here, but I'm guessing this is part of the added language that the poster would have been referring to:

"... which may be sustained by Mr. Walsh arising out of, related to or connected with, directly or indirectly, (i) the employment of Mr. Walsh by the Patriots and any actions undertaken by him in the course of his employment, (ii) the taking or retention by Mr. Walsh of any information, documents or other materials that may be deemed to belong to (or constitute or contain confidential information or trade secrets of) the League or the Patriots, or (iii) any disclosure by Mr. Walsh of any such information, documents or materials to any person or entity, including the alleged untruthfulness in that disclosure absent bad faith on the part of Mr. Walsh ("Claims").

So if his disagreement with a publisher over his cut of his book deal is "related to or connected with, directly or indirectly", the "disclosure by Mr. Walsh of any such information (etc)..." then the NFL would have to pay his costs. Since the book was about his disclosure, he could probably argue it was directly or indirectly related. Again, to be clear, that entire example is me, the non-lawyer, trying to explain what I think I heard from the FBG poster-lawyer.ETA: If that poster-lawyer wishes to correct anything I've said, please do, I'd appreciate it.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I find the bile spewing forth actually makes me feel better, as it is such a naked exposure of how objectified some peoples worlds are.The only thing better than this experience, is basking in the open honesty of Belichick, and seeing Matt Walsh exposed for the fraud that he is. News Flash - even if you want to lump Pioli in with Belichick and the other "satan"s of the world, you've still got to deal with the fact that they've got other employees willing to step up and call this guy out for attempting to frame or otherwise besmirch the organization as part of his termination.This is a GREAT DAY for Patriots fans. And for truth.

Did you just call BB honest? Good lord you have been brainwashed.The organization has been tarnished...you don't want to believe it...but the rest of the sane world knows it. Your boys got busted cheating...then lost in the biggest game there is.

Based on the fact that you choose to pepper your editorial with a reminder of the Patriots SB loss, I conclude that your real agenda is to troll.Congratulations; you've invalidated your own post.

You do realize that when you tell someone they have invalidated their statement, it actually give the statement even more credibility?

 

[Das Boot]

You do realize in ten to 20 years no one will care or remember the spygate controversy..they'll just remember Brady, BB, 4 or 5 superbowls in 10 years and the 18-1 season.

It actually will be interesting to see how well the 18-1 season is remembered a decade or two into the future.It was a tremendous season and had it ended with a SB win the 2007 Patriots would be the most famous team ever.But that wasn't the case, and if the Walsh story doesn't result in any additional penalties or negatives for NE, this year's team will likely become best known/recognized for the blown chance at going 19-0 than for any of their other incredible accomplishments.