Belichick Quotes on "Running up the Score" (2 Viewers)

[KoolKat]

lol - the Patriots are the first team to ever run up the score in the NFL.

lol.

In all my years of watching football I have never seen this done, even when the Rams were scoring 60+ in '99 they never went for it on fourth while up 30+. It is an unwritten rule. Even if they were at the 32 yard line, I would expect most coaches would take a delay of game and try and pin the other team deep while up by that much. Many of you can act like this is something that has always gone on or was unavoidable, but it never has happened, ever.

Could you link me to your research?I'd like to see when it's okay for a team to score 60+ points to keep scoring and when it's not.

Never and Ever are pretty strong words. I seem to remember a Rams team that had a hurt kicker that went for it on 4th down and went for 2 pts conversions after TDs in a game. Oh, I guess NEVER and EVER don't really apply here.http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/10/15/...ain241446.shtml

Let the Pats play the way they want. Anyone that wants to beat them is more than welcome to do so. I seem to recall a lot of people in the preseason stating that Randy Moss was a cancer and would bring them down, the Pats have lost too much, etc. Not a lot of those people around now.

Explain to me why someone that stands to make millions from having a banner year should lay off. Explain to me why the Pats should train their players to only play 30 minutes so that when they need to play 60 to win they can't. Explain to me why the Pats should play soft and not get the psychological advantage over teams they face. Explain to me why they should run the ball over and over and risk getting their only RB of merit hurt. The safest play for the Pats is to throw the ball. Fewer people get hurt that way. Ask SJax, Ronnie Brown, Caddy, Deuce, etc.

If/when someone beats them no one will be able to say they beat a team that wasn't trying. Now all the other teams need to do is go out and beat them.

That was a game decided by 16 points in the end, and the only reason they were going for 2 is b/c their kicker was hurt. That article does not discredit my claim whatsoever, since the Rams were never up by 30 + in that game, nor does the article say they went for it on 4th at anytime. When you're up 30+ you don't go for it on 4th down, it is completely classless. Of course it is not like I expected more out of Belicheat.

 

[The Jerk]

For anyone else who has no idea who Grantland Rice is, among other contributions to the fabric of sports in America, he coined the term, The Four Horsemen.

 

[sho nuff]

Eventually he's going to piss the wrong dude off and Brady's going to start getting hit 5 seconds after he throws the ball.

If any player is foolish enough to do this, which is unquestionably unsportsmanlike, I have no doubt they would face a minimum of the rest of the season suspension, and maybe even a year. It would be construed as nothing more than a deliberate attempt to take him out of the game, perhaps forever. No player would do such a thing, and no coach would advocate it. This isn't the cheap shot stepping on a hand, or even kicking a bit when walking by.

Why don't you join us in the real world?

Haynesworth kicked a guys helmet off and raked his cleats across the dude's face in what was probably the worst cheap shot since McMahon got pile driven. 5 games. That wasn't even a football play. No way a late or questionable hit gets a guy any more than 5 games. Haynesworth did it again this year ina clear attempt to injure and only got a fine. People are fooling themselves if they think someone will get a season long ban for a cheap shot. There's no precedent for it at all.

Back up right there.Haynesworth's hit on Schaub should not have even been a penalty if that is what you are talking about. If it was the hit in the Jax game...that call was even worse.

 

[jurrassic]

Our whole notion of sportsmanship is skewed...

If the dogs are to be called off, its up to Washington to ask for mercy. They do so by subbing their 2nd stringers first. That tells the Pats they are surrendering. As long as Washington resists or fights back, the Pats are justified in swinging. If your opponent wants mercy, your opponent should be man enough to ask for it. If your opponent is too stubborn or prideful to ask for it, your opponent deserves some more of the same. If you think its noble to go down swinging, fine - but be prepared to get your teeth knocked out in the meantime. Because you're still trying to land that Cinderella knock-out punch, right? Its up to the loser to ask for quarter and THEN the winner should freely give it. Its not up to the winner to decide to start playing at half-speed when the loser is still trying at full-speed to make a comeback.

I got news for Randall Godfrey, he and Washington were embarassed BEFORE the score got that bad. Everyone on the field and watching the game knew it. This idea that the losers somehow save face or embarrasment by having the score NOT reflect how completely they were dominated is silly and childish. How does that save face? Like anyone watching that game DOESN'T already know you were humiliated? To not "run up the score" is nothing more than fiction - lets all stand around in the room and pretend we don't see the elephant standing there. The only people who won't know how bad you got your ### kicked are people who didn't watch the game, haven't talked to anyone who did and just saw the final score listed in the USA Today. Is that really some consolation? If that loss to the Pats embarrassed Godfrey MORE because the Pats didn't take it easy on him, there's something wrong with him. He should be embarrased that the Pats were even capable of doing what they did to the Redskins, not that they actually showed it on the scoreboard. He wants to talk about pride? If you keep your pride by pretending you can compete with your opponent, you're and idiot or 5 years old.

This idea that we are showing some "class" by letting the game degenerate into 1.5 quarters of 4-and-outs is just dumb. Why not just have the QB put the ball down on the turf, everyone can head into the showers while the clock is still running and he can come back out in street clothes, pick the ball up, take a knee and have the other team's reserve punter tag him down right before the team buses pull out of the stadium. That's the reality of what you are asking the teams to do. Why waste time and injury risk by insulting the fans with faux-football for 1.5 quarters? We already know the outcome, right? Either play at 100% or call it a day.

As for BB pulling his starters to save injury...that's a no brainer. I'd probably split the difference and pull them early in the fourth. Minimize their risk but still get them enough reps to keep the rust off.

Maybe BB should just start Cassell next time against the Dolphins. Then we could all talk about how arrogant and insulting he was by starting his 2nd string against the Fins.

Best post I've seen since the blowout!

I am amazed at how many people just don't get it.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

"I am not a role model."

- Charles Barkley

 

[sho nuff]

Bottom line is that there is nothing inherently wrong or against the rules with running up the score. Teams don't typically do it because most people have some form of decency and humility. The NFL is a fraternity and most coaches don't want to humiliate each other and risk another man's livlihood in the "what have you done for me lately" NFL. Nothing wrong with it, but most decent human beings wouldn't do it. Belicheck is a different kind of cat. Say what you want about sportmanship and what place it has in the NFL, but it is something that is preached and taught from pee wee football on up. The fact that it suddenly has no place in the game at the highest level is sad. Maybe it says more about society.

Things are changing.Just look at how people applauded the coach of that young team running the trick "wrong" ball play against a bunch of young kids.

 

[Jason Wood]

Our whole notion of sportsmanship is skewed...

If the dogs are to be called off, its up to Washington to ask for mercy. They do so by subbing their 2nd stringers first. That tells the Pats they are surrendering. As long as Washington resists or fights back, the Pats are justified in swinging. If your opponent wants mercy, your opponent should be man enough to ask for it. If your opponent is too stubborn or prideful to ask for it, your opponent deserves some more of the same. If you think its noble to go down swinging, fine - but be prepared to get your teeth knocked out in the meantime. Because you're still trying to land that Cinderella knock-out punch, right? Its up to the loser to ask for quarter and THEN the winner should freely give it. Its not up to the winner to decide to start playing at half-speed when the loser is still trying at full-speed to make a comeback.

I got news for Randall Godfrey, he and Washington were embarassed BEFORE the score got that bad. Everyone on the field and watching the game knew it. This idea that the losers somehow save face or embarrasment by having the score NOT reflect how completely they were dominated is silly and childish. How does that save face? Like anyone watching that game DOESN'T already know you were humiliated? To not "run up the score" is nothing more than fiction - lets all stand around in the room and pretend we don't see the elephant standing there. The only people who won't know how bad you got your ### kicked are people who didn't watch the game, haven't talked to anyone who did and just saw the final score listed in the USA Today. Is that really some consolation? If that loss to the Pats embarrassed Godfrey MORE because the Pats didn't take it easy on him, there's something wrong with him. He should be embarrased that the Pats were even capable of doing what they did to the Redskins, not that they actually showed it on the scoreboard. He wants to talk about pride? If you keep your pride by pretending you can compete with your opponent, you're and idiot or 5 years old.

This idea that we are showing some "class" by letting the game degenerate into 1.5 quarters of 4-and-outs is just dumb. Why not just have the QB put the ball down on the turf, everyone can head into the showers while the clock is still running and he can come back out in street clothes, pick the ball up, take a knee and have the other team's reserve punter tag him down right before the team buses pull out of the stadium. That's the reality of what you are asking the teams to do. Why waste time and injury risk by insulting the fans with faux-football for 1.5 quarters? We already know the outcome, right? Either play at 100% or call it a day.

As for BB pulling his starters to save injury...that's a no brainer. I'd probably split the difference and pull them early in the fourth. Minimize their risk but still get them enough reps to keep the rust off.

Maybe BB should just start Cassell next time against the Dolphins. Then we could all talk about how arrogant and insulting he was by starting his 2nd string against the Fins.

Excellent work

Our whole notion of sportsmanship is skewed...

If the dogs are to be called off, its up to Washington to ask for mercy. They do so by subbing their 2nd stringers first. That tells the Pats they are surrendering. As long as Washington resists or fights back, the Pats are justified in swinging. If your opponent wants mercy, your opponent should be man enough to ask for it. If your opponent is too stubborn or prideful to ask for it, your opponent deserves some more of the same. If you think its noble to go down swinging, fine - but be prepared to get your teeth knocked out in the meantime. Because you're still trying to land that Cinderella knock-out punch, right? Its up to the loser to ask for quarter and THEN the winner should freely give it. Its not up to the winner to decide to start playing at half-speed when the loser is still trying at full-speed to make a comeback.

I got news for Randall Godfrey, he and Washington were embarassed BEFORE the score got that bad. Everyone on the field and watching the game knew it. This idea that the losers somehow save face or embarrasment by having the score NOT reflect how completely they were dominated is silly and childish. How does that save face? Like anyone watching that game DOESN'T already know you were humiliated? To not "run up the score" is nothing more than fiction - lets all stand around in the room and pretend we don't see the elephant standing there. The only people who won't know how bad you got your ### kicked are people who didn't watch the game, haven't talked to anyone who did and just saw the final score listed in the USA Today. Is that really some consolation? If that loss to the Pats embarrassed Godfrey MORE because the Pats didn't take it easy on him, there's something wrong with him. He should be embarrased that the Pats were even capable of doing what they did to the Redskins, not that they actually showed it on the scoreboard. He wants to talk about pride? If you keep your pride by pretending you can compete with your opponent, you're and idiot or 5 years old.

This idea that we are showing some "class" by letting the game degenerate into 1.5 quarters of 4-and-outs is just dumb. Why not just have the QB put the ball down on the turf, everyone can head into the showers while the clock is still running and he can come back out in street clothes, pick the ball up, take a knee and have the other team's reserve punter tag him down right before the team buses pull out of the stadium. That's the reality of what you are asking the teams to do. Why waste time and injury risk by insulting the fans with faux-football for 1.5 quarters? We already know the outcome, right? Either play at 100% or call it a day.

As for BB pulling his starters to save injury...that's a no brainer. I'd probably split the difference and pull them early in the fourth. Minimize their risk but still get them enough reps to keep the rust off.

Maybe BB should just start Cassell next time against the Dolphins. Then we could all talk about how arrogant and insulting he was by starting his 2nd string against the Fins.

It reads well on paper but you know as well as I the other team doesn't ask for mercy, it's just done. If you've been around anything higher than middle school football, you don't just raise the white flag from across the field but YOU as a coach who's been on winning and losing sides know the feeling and the appropriate thing to do.Charlie Weiss, ex Patriot coach and current Notre Dame coach earlier this season played Michigan St. There was an article the next day in the Detroit News thanking MSU's coach for NOT running up the score. He wanted to personally thank him and thought that it showed what kind of class he has.

I'd like to know what Charlie Weiss thinks of what he sees the Patriot's doing if he was honost. Because if he thinks it was classy what MSU did by not scoring when they could have easily scored again, common sense will tell you what he must think of that, regardless of how much he probably likes Belichick and would defend him.

Iwanna,There is a big difference between college sports, where the vast majority of players are playing for nothing more than the love of the game, and the NFL where the elite play for big dollars. I would also submit that there's a reason the term "kid gloves" exists. The NFL is a league of men, in college that's arguably not the case.

And don't kid yourself, the reason we don't see more blowouts in the NFL is because there usually aren't many teams with that opportunity.

 

[The Jerk]

"I am not a role model."- Charles Barkley

Surprisingly off the mark post for you, SVBDS. You're pretty much spot on, but while Barkley said the words, whether he likes it or not, like all star athletes, he will be looked at by kids, and they will model his behavior. Like it or not, he's a role model.

 

[mdog1967]

I know, I know already the mean ol Pats are cheaters and of course your morally outraged that a team that you thought wouldnt be that good with out the video tape is kicking the crap out of everyone. If the Pats choose to expose their players to risk after the win is in the bag then so be it, but dude take the dress off and quit crying.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my comments have nothing to do with the fact that this team is the Patriots. The team isn't the problem, it's the behavior.

What behavior, what are you talking about. I mean if your a regular advocate of the NFL cleaning up its act in general, then alright. If your the guy who says TO and Chad Johnson have been distractions for their teams and the NFL shouldnt tolerate them ok!. If you are mad at players for taking steriods because its a disadvantage to the three NFL players who dont, great. If you think the NFL charging more money for a football game for a family of 4 than they may bring home in a week you might have a point. If you think an authentic NFL jearsey for you son shouldnt cost more than it takes to fill up your dulley were getting there. But holy crap worried about how much the Pats Score is silly. The only people who should give two cents are the Pats fans, if they feel Bill is compromising the season by playing Brady when the score is out of hand then they can boycott the football games and give back their season tickets. There is no rule in the NFL stating that a team must stop playing because they might make the other teams players feel bad. You could argue that the 49rs West Coast offense of the early 80's was cheating and unsportsman like because the other teams were not prepared to stop them, but that too would be silly.

 

[The Jerk]

Iwanna,There is a big difference between college sports, where the vast majority of players are playing for nothing more than the love of the game, and the NFL where the elite play for big dollars. I would also submit that there's a reason the term "kid gloves" exists. The NFL is a league of men, in college that's arguably not the case.And don't kid yourself, the reason we don't see more blowouts in the NFL is because there usually aren't many teams with that opportunity.

Is there a reason the entire quote needs to be included twice?Also, why do you insist that prior to 2007 that very few teams have had the opportunity to have blowouts?

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I just want to go on record as the starter of this thread saying that I have no problem with this at all. If that is what he chooses to do then so be it. Like he said, "Its the defenses job to stop them; not the offenses job to stop trying."I think I read a quote from him in the past where he said, "We'll stop trying to score as soon as they stop trying to score. When their offense starts taking knees then we'll do the same." I have no problem with it which-so-ever. I was just posting the quotes.And "No." I am not a Pats fan. As sad as it is to admit; I am a Jets fan.

Not sure how this tread degenerated into 4 pages as it is summed up in the second post. If a team doesn't want to be scored on then they should not allow that to happen. If they can't do that, give the other team props and try to get better to play with them the next time. BTW, I hate the Pats and Bellicheat but what he said is dead on....

IN principle you should be able to score as much as you like , I agree. But in the NFL, when you have a lead has it or hasn't it been common ground to not run teams into the ground when the game is well within control, i.e , running out the clock or calling consecutive running plays.The part I have a problem with is people are acting like everyone shoulda known this is what happens, Other coaches don't represent they're team like this.This isnt the only sport where teams,players , or coaches have an un-written rules or etiquette that everyone follows based off of class. Sure if one guy breaks the etiquette hes "technically" allowed to do so but does that mean all the other guys don't feel slighted he broke the understanding they all had?In almost all racing, if your in last place and your about to get lapped by the 1st car, you dont HAVE to move out of the way, but they do, why is that when they should be trying to win too?Because its a common understanding amongst racers.

This is a league where the architect of what most consider the best defense in league history had monetary bonuses for head hunting.This is a league where receivers used to use stick em until it was banned.This is a league where clipping was a regular occurrence until it was ruled illegal.This is a league where cut blocking happens all the time.This is a league where it's considerable honorable to let a doctor cut off your digit to stay in the game.This is a league where players are injected with shots to numb potentially crippling injuries to tough it out.This is a league where players are expected to earn their pay by suiting up at times when they're likely doing irreparable long-term damage to their bodies.I've never understood this ridiculous notion that the NFL is honorable and morally pure. The league is a HUGE BUSINESS driven by profits and off the charts competitiveness from ownership to coaches to the players. They all play to win and make livings for their families. You can't have it both ways. You can't have a league that advocates physically destroying the well being of those who play the game and then suggest the Pats or someone else is not following an appropriate moral compass.

Then you will totally understand and agree when one team lays Brady out for the season.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Brady is no more likely to get unintentionally hurt in a 42-0 game than he would if it was 21-21 in the 4th Q.

Yes, but putting Matt Cassel in when when it's 21-21 might result in a loss.

Right. Just to be clear here, I think it's ridiculous for anyone to argue Belichick isn't "running up the score." I just don't see why he shouldn't if he's so inclined. Like any decision a coach makes, there are risks. I think, were I a team that got pasted by the Pats, I would be downright embarrassed to have my players moaning and complaining about the score after the fact. I would remind them that it's their job to a) stop the Pats and b ) score against the Pats defense.For all this talk of the Pats offensive aggressiveness, no one is pointing out that without a dominating defense, they wouldn't be in the position to "run up the score" in the first place.

Damn Wood.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Imagine this team with a coach who sublimated his personailty to the betterrment of the team and the organization. Imagine just talking about the accomplishments of the team absent all the extraneous crap. Belichick has taken from the fans, even as he has given. It's a shame really.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Imagine this team with a coach who sublimated his personailty to the betterrment of the team and the organization. Imagine just talking about the accomplishments of the team absent all the extraneous crap. Belichick has taken from the fans, even as he has given. It's a shame really.

Thanks for your concern, but we're doing just fine.

 

[mdog1967]

Well I dont know Rice

Henry Grantland RiceI feel sorry for you and others you may influence if you actually believe that there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL.

Look you have been extreamly polite in your responses and its appreciated. Its not that I think there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL, I just dont expect it. Like Jason has already said - its entertainment. I wouldnt advocate it as being anything other than entertainment. The olympics are more fitting to your view.I watch football for the same reason everyone else does, its exciting and packed full of action - unless your watching Baltimore and the 49ers play each other, then not so much. If we want to give our kids role models I would suggest finding nurses and doctors, police and Firefighters but not NFL and other sports players who are looking for a payday and multimillion dollar endorsments.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I hate the Patriots and Bellichek but this nonsense about it being classess not to "show mercy" in a football game must go. This is absurd. It's a game, and you play from start to finish, and there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with "running up the score.""Oh my god. You are beating us by too many points. Please don't try as hard for the rest of the game, k?"So stupid.

Its not about showing mercy people.Why must you all keep repeating that myth.

Well cause you silly people want the Pats to give your team a break and not make them look bad. I dont give a carp how much they score or dont score. The sportsmanship BS is just as much a myth as the mercy rule. I know, I know already the mean ol Pats are cheaters and of course your morally outraged that a team that you thought wouldnt be that good with out the video tape is kicking the crap out of everyone. If the Pats choose to expose their players to risk after the win is in the bag then so be it, but dude take the dress off and quit crying.

The Pats have not played my team. And if they did, they would kill the Packers.None of this is about making the other team look bad. Its about being smart and not risking your players by playing them at meaningless times in games...and risking pissing off the wrong pumped up freak of an athlete. Nobody wants a mercy rule...this is what I am talking about...the defenders keep posting this myth that people want them to take a knee in the 3rd quarter and pull Brady early in close games.Its not ####ing crying...Im actually calling BB a moron for doing it. I think his ego is getting in the way and if Brady ends up hurt its on him.

Man, that's exactly what many are griping about. They think it's somehow more embarrassing to your opponent to run up the score than it is to put your scrubs in and keep the score artificially close. Randall Godfrey wasn't berating BB because Godfreyw as worried about Brady getting hurt in some meaningless play!That's little league, parent-child thinking. You protect children from that embarrassment so they won't get discouraged and will learn the value of perserverance and playing to the final second. But by the time they reach their mid-20's and 30's, they should have learned that lesson already as well as when to face reality and cut your losses. Quit treating grown men like 5 year olds. If Joe Gibbs's pride or NFL tradition keeps him from throwing in the towel in the later third quarter, shame on him. He's a grown man. Why stand around and pretend that something other than the reality of the situation is what is happening? How long would you ride a tanking investment into the ground in the stock market? Who does that benefit? Knowing when to quit is not a negative trait. Ask Darwin. I stopped wanting my Dad to let me win back in grade school...about the time I was able to tell when he was throwing the game. That's were my pride kicks in. I'm embarrassed because someone can kick my ### that bad, not that they did kick my ### that bad. If you want to be insulted about something more than getting your ### kicked, be insulted when someone thinks you aren't worth their best shot.

 

[sho nuff]

I hate the Patriots and Bellichek but this nonsense about it being classess not to "show mercy" in a football game must go. This is absurd. It's a game, and you play from start to finish, and there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with "running up the score.""Oh my god. You are beating us by too many points. Please don't try as hard for the rest of the game, k?"So stupid.

Its not about showing mercy people.Why must you all keep repeating that myth.

Well cause you silly people want the Pats to give your team a break and not make them look bad. I dont give a carp how much they score or dont score. The sportsmanship BS is just as much a myth as the mercy rule. I know, I know already the mean ol Pats are cheaters and of course your morally outraged that a team that you thought wouldnt be that good with out the video tape is kicking the crap out of everyone. If the Pats choose to expose their players to risk after the win is in the bag then so be it, but dude take the dress off and quit crying.

The Pats have not played my team. And if they did, they would kill the Packers.None of this is about making the other team look bad. Its about being smart and not risking your players by playing them at meaningless times in games...and risking pissing off the wrong pumped up freak of an athlete. Nobody wants a mercy rule...this is what I am talking about...the defenders keep posting this myth that people want them to take a knee in the 3rd quarter and pull Brady early in close games.Its not ####ing crying...Im actually calling BB a moron for doing it. I think his ego is getting in the way and if Brady ends up hurt its on him.

Man, that's exactly what many are griping about. They think it's somehow more embarrassing to your opponent to run up the score than it is to put your scrubs in and keep the score artificially close. Randall Godfrey wasn't berating BB because Godfreyw as worried about Brady getting hurt in some meaningless play!That's little league, parent-child thinking. You protect children from that embarrassment so they won't get discouraged and will learn the value of perserverance and playing to the final second. But by the time they reach their mid-20's and 30's, they should have learned that lesson already as well as when to face reality and cut your losses. Quit treating grown men like 5 year olds. If Joe Gibbs's pride or NFL tradition keeps him from throwing in the towel in the later third quarter, shame on him. He's a grown man. Why stand around and pretend that something other than the reality of the situation is what is happening? How long would you ride a tanking investment into the ground in the stock market? Who does that benefit? Knowing when to quit is not a negative trait. Ask Darwin. I stopped wanting my Dad to let me win back in grade school...about the time I was able to tell when he was throwing the game. That's were my pride kicks in. I'm embarrassed because someone can kick my ### that bad, not that they did kick my ### that bad. If you want to be insulted about something more than getting your ### kicked, be insulted when someone thinks you aren't worth their best shot.

Last time I checked...Godfrey does not post on this board.Im talking about people in this thread and in others and on other boards.The overwhelming opinion is that what BB is doing is not needed, and he is putting his players at risk in doing so.Its common sense.

 

[Phurfur]

This is the Big Boy league. If you don't want them to score, then stop them from scoring.

While I agree with this I also think that once you are up by 40+ in the 4th quarter it doesn't hurt to show a little class and run the clock out.

Its like baseball. You don't steal bases with a 10 run lead...and so on. Its class...its respect...its something BB clearly does not care about.

You do steal that base if you are going for a record.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Its funny everyones talking about how Bellichick is just doing what he entitled too yet ALL other American sports have a code of respect for your opponent.

I guess America been duped the whole time because Bellichick is letting us know NOW that its ok.

American sports make your adjustments accordingly.

 

[KoolKat]

I'm suprised there aren't more Pats fans voicing their dissappointment, I know I wouldn't want my team to run up the score and be known as classless. I mean, all Pats fans aren't classless, right?

 

[KoolKat]

This is the Big Boy league. If you don't want them to score, then stop them from scoring.

While I agree with this I also think that once you are up by 40+ in the 4th quarter it doesn't hurt to show a little class and run the clock out.

Its like baseball. You don't steal bases with a 10 run lead...and so on. Its class...its respect...its something BB clearly does not care about.

You do steal that base if you are going for a record.

rationalize much?

 

[buster c]

2 things I wish I could do today:

1) if I was Joe Gibbs, I'd cut Randall Godfrey today for crying to the media. RG joined the team right before the opener and now it looks as if he is speaking for the Redskins. Gibbs speaks for them and his comments are what should resonate.

2) if I was in charge of the NFL Network, I'd cut Neon Dieon Sanders today for his emphatic misstatement that Gibbs refused to shake Bellichick's hand after the game.

 

[Sleeper 43]

This is the Big Boy league. If you don't want them to score, then stop them from scoring.

While I agree with this I also think that once you are up by 40+ in the 4th quarter it doesn't hurt to show a little class and run the clock out.

Its like baseball. You don't steal bases with a 10 run lead...and so on. Its class...its respect...its something BB clearly does not care about.

You do steal that base if you are going for a record.

But thats not important to him ask the Pats fans.

 

[sho nuff]

This is the Big Boy league. If you don't want them to score, then stop them from scoring.

While I agree with this I also think that once you are up by 40+ in the 4th quarter it doesn't hurt to show a little class and run the clock out.

Its like baseball. You don't steal bases with a 10 run lead...and so on. Its class...its respect...its something BB clearly does not care about.

You do steal that base if you are going for a record.

And someone gets plunked.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm suprised there aren't more Pats fans voicing their dissappointment, I know I wouldn't want my team to run up the score and be known as classless. I mean, all Pats fans aren't classless, right.

Im surprised more are not worried that their QB is going to end up hurt and Cassel will be leading them to a disappointing finish to the season.

 

[wiffle_3]

Well I dont know Rice

Henry Grantland RiceI feel sorry for you and others you may influence if you actually believe that there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL.

Look you have been extreamly polite in your responses and its appreciated. Its not that I think there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL, I just dont expect it. Like Jason has already said - its entertainment. I wouldnt advocate it as being anything other than entertainment. The olympics are more fitting to your view.I watch football for the same reason everyone else does, its exciting and packed full of action - unless your watching Baltimore and the 49ers play each other, then not so much. If we want to give our kids role models I would suggest finding nurses and doctors, police and Firefighters but not NFL and other sports players who are looking for a payday and multimillion dollar endorsments.

Absolutely.... Furthermore, why have rules on steroids, drugs, off field behavior? Why protect the QB with new rules? Entertain me GD it!Ummmm, the fact is, unfortunately.... The NFL IS the highest level of football in the USA... Yes, the same game you and I played in pee wee, .... and some of us even played in college. It is part of the fabric of our culture. The same culture we exported to London this past Saturday. We were all taught the "ethos" of this sport from a very early age. There are examples in EVERY sport that, perhaps "something" is not explicitly written "as a rule", some behavior is severely frowned upon.

1) Cricket. The opposition does not roll the ball on the ground to prevent the batsman hitting a "six"... not "a rule", but not done.

2) Golf. if the ball moves after address. It is a penalty whether no 1 saw it or not. You declare the penalty on yourself. Again "not a rule".

3) Soccer. If the opposition has a player go down with injury, you kick the ball out..... when the play resumes, the team that kicked the ball out, is given the ball back... "Not a rule"

4) EVERY FRIGGIN SPORT

I'm sorry, but in this case, gray is BLACK and WHITE. Belliache is showcasing very bad form... embarrassing not only oppossing teams, but our great nation! He must be stopped!!!

 

[KoolKat]

Well I dont know Rice

Henry Grantland RiceI feel sorry for you and others you may influence if you actually believe that there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL.

Look you have been extreamly polite in your responses and its appreciated. Its not that I think there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL, I just dont expect it. Like Jason has already said - its entertainment. I wouldnt advocate it as being anything other than entertainment. The olympics are more fitting to your view.I watch football for the same reason everyone else does, its exciting and packed full of action - unless your watching Baltimore and the 49ers play each other, then not so much. If we want to give our kids role models I would suggest finding nurses and doctors, police and Firefighters but not NFL and other sports players who are looking for a payday and multimillion dollar endorsments.

Absolutely.... Furthermore, why have rules on steroids, drugs, off field behavior? Why protect the QB with new rules? Entertain me GD it!Ummmm, the fact is, unfortunately.... The NFL IS the highest level of football in the USA... Yes, the same game you and I played in pee wee, .... and some of us even played in college. It is part of the fabric of our culture. The same culture we exported to London this past Saturday. We were all taught the "ethos" of this sport from a very early age. There are examples in EVERY sport that, perhaps "something" is not explicitly written "as a rule", some behavior is severely frowned upon.

1) Cricket. The opposition does not roll the ball on the ground to prevent the batsman hitting a "six"... not "a rule", but not done.

2) Golf. if the ball moves after address. It is a penalty whether no 1 saw it or not. You declare the penalty on yourself. Again "not a rule".

3) Soccer. If the opposition has a player go down with injury, you kick the ball out..... when the play resumes, the team that kicked the ball out, is given the ball back... "Not a rule"

4) EVERY FRIGGIN SPORT

I'm sorry, but in this case, gray is BLACK and WHITE. Belliache is showcasing very bad form... embarrassing not only oppossing teams, but our great nation! He must be stopped!!!

If we let Belicheat get away with this the terrorists win!!!!

 

[wiffle_3]

Well I dont know Rice

Henry Grantland RiceI feel sorry for you and others you may influence if you actually believe that there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL.

Look you have been extreamly polite in your responses and its appreciated. Its not that I think there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL, I just dont expect it. Like Jason has already said - its entertainment. I wouldnt advocate it as being anything other than entertainment. The olympics are more fitting to your view.I watch football for the same reason everyone else does, its exciting and packed full of action - unless your watching Baltimore and the 49ers play each other, then not so much. If we want to give our kids role models I would suggest finding nurses and doctors, police and Firefighters but not NFL and other sports players who are looking for a payday and multimillion dollar endorsments.

Absolutely.... Furthermore, why have rules on steroids, drugs, off field behavior? Why protect the QB with new rules? Entertain me GD it!Ummmm, the fact is, unfortunately.... The NFL IS the highest level of football in the USA... Yes, the same game you and I played in pee wee, .... and some of us even played in college. It is part of the fabric of our culture. The same culture we exported to London this past Saturday. We were all taught the "ethos" of this sport from a very early age. There are examples in EVERY sport that, perhaps "something" is not explicitly written "as a rule", some behavior is severely frowned upon.

1) Cricket. The opposition does not roll the ball on the ground to prevent the batsman hitting a "six"... not "a rule", but not done.

2) Golf. if the ball moves after address. It is a penalty whether no 1 saw it or not. You declare the penalty on yourself. Again "not a rule".

3) Soccer. If the opposition has a player go down with injury, you kick the ball out..... when the play resumes, the team that kicked the ball out, is given the ball back... "Not a rule"

4) EVERY FRIGGIN SPORT

I'm sorry, but in this case, gray is BLACK and WHITE. Belliache is showcasing very bad form... embarrassing not only oppossing teams, but our great nation! He must be stopped!!!

If we let Belicheat get away with this the terrorists win!!!!

Finally!!!!!! YES !!!!!!

 

[redman]

Imagine this team with a coach who sublimated his personailty to the betterrment of the team and the organization. Imagine just talking about the accomplishments of the team absent all the extraneous crap. Belichick has taken from the fans, even as he has given. It's a shame really.

I think we're seeing that it's more fun for most people to use this as an opportunity to flex their imuscles than anything else.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Well I dont know Rice

Henry Grantland RiceI feel sorry for you and others you may influence if you actually believe that there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL.

Look you have been extreamly polite in your responses and its appreciated. Its not that I think there is no place for sportsmanship in the NFL, I just dont expect it. Like Jason has already said - its entertainment. I wouldnt advocate it as being anything other than entertainment. The olympics are more fitting to your view.I watch football for the same reason everyone else does, its exciting and packed full of action - unless your watching Baltimore and the 49ers play each other, then not so much. If we want to give our kids role models I would suggest finding nurses and doctors, police and Firefighters but not NFL and other sports players who are looking for a payday and multimillion dollar endorsments.

Absolutely.... Furthermore, why have rules on steroids, drugs, off field behavior? Why protect the QB with new rules? Entertain me GD it!Ummmm, the fact is, unfortunately.... The NFL IS the highest level of football in the USA... Yes, the same game you and I played in pee wee, .... and some of us even played in college. It is part of the fabric of our culture. The same culture we exported to London this past Saturday. We were all taught the "ethos" of this sport from a very early age. There are examples in EVERY sport that, perhaps "something" is not explicitly written "as a rule", some behavior is severely frowned upon.

1) Cricket. The opposition does not roll the ball on the ground to prevent the batsman hitting a "six"... not "a rule", but not done.

2) Golf. if the ball moves after address. It is a penalty whether no 1 saw it or not. You declare the penalty on yourself. Again "not a rule".

3) Soccer. If the opposition has a player go down with injury, you kick the ball out..... when the play resumes, the team that kicked the ball out, is given the ball back... "Not a rule"

4) EVERY FRIGGIN SPORT

I'm sorry, but in this case, gray is BLACK and WHITE. Belliache is showcasing very bad form... embarrassing not only oppossing teams, but our great nation! He must be stopped!!!

If we let Belicheat get away with this the terrorists win!!!!

The foundation of what he is saying is very true. And if you never played sports growing up you probably wouldn't understand.For alot of Kids, sports is all they can relate too, and those coaches that groom them coming up are the only real role models they have.

I know all the years I played, good sportsmanship was always talked about (minus your rivials) regardless of sport too.

Good sportsmanship is just the tip of the ice-berg that kids growing into men walk away with through our sports.

If everyone is out to dominate every game, why even shake hands when its over, its not like you didnt just try and bury your opponent.

 

[shader]

I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I do have one opinion:

BB is a genius. He cares about one thing: Winning. He never said he was classy, and probably doesn't give a crap whether the average fan, or any of the other coaches think he's classy.

He wants to win, he's won 3 super bowls, and he's a front runner for his 4th this year. And at this point, they'll be right there in the mix the next 5 years for more super bowls.

He wins, thats what he does. Thats what will be remembered. I don't think Bear Bryant or Vince Lombardi are remembered for their "class". They're remembered for winning. In 50 years, it will be the same with BB.

 

[Sweet J]

Here's the thing that I assumed anyone who ever played sports would understand:

If my team is being dominated by another team, I am not going to stop playing hard. I want to go down swinging. I want to be a man and not give up. I want to show the world that although my skill level may not approach my opponent's skill level, my heart and desire to excel is equal. The LAST thing I want is for my opponent to show me "mercy" or play half speed or kneel down or whatever. I wouldn't go as far as to say I would be insulted by such action (because my opponent is showing kindness, so you can't really be mad at him), but I don't think I'd be happy about it. I come into a match for the love of the competition. That's what this is about right? Two sets of warriors taking the field. If one side dominates, it can dominate with honor. And if one side loses, it can lose with honor. While I am sure intentions may be in the right place, but "going easy" on an opponent does dishonor to both sides, really.

THAT BEING SAID, it is not acceptable for a team to dominate its opponent in a dishonorable manner. For example, if a team is up by 5 scores, and then scores again I think it would be somewhat classless and distasteful to celebrate the score, or act in a disrespectful manner on the sideline or on the field. Catcalls, high fives, celabrations, or related activities that "rub a team's noses" in the domination would make me extremely angry as a competitor.

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

Anyone still want to disagree that sooner or later someone is going to try and waste Brady with the big blitz?

This is what I think. One of these games, someone is going to bring the house on Brady late in the game and blast him. Blitz 8 drop 3, what does it matter. Someone is going to send the message, if you want to pass late we are going to make your qb pay.

Don't you think if teams could do that now they would? Why wait until they are "upset" because BB is running the score up. Nothing wrong with sending a message without it being a cheap shot.

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I do have one opinion:

BB is a genius. He cares about one thing: Winning. He never said he was classy, and probably doesn't give a crap whether the average fan, or any of the other coaches think he's classy.

He wants to win, he's won 3 super bowls, and he's a front runner for his 4th this year. And at this point, they'll be right there in the mix the next 5 years for more super bowls.

He wins, thats what he does. Thats what will be remembered. I don't think Bear Bryant or Vince Lombardi are remembered for their "class". They're remembered for winning. In 50 years, it will be the same with BB.

Yes, only winning. That's why you risk your starters in a 38 point blowout in the 4th. He cares about much more than simply winning.

 

[Green and Gold]

I actually don't think there are many players in the league that would be willing to intentionally hurt Brady. Nothing wrong with smacking him into the ground if you can manage to get to him, but a really late cheap shot? Why risk your career for so little gain? You gain what, a momentary burst of good will from people that hate the Patriots? You have a commissioner now who really lays down the wood on anything that could be detrimental to the (financial aspect of) the league. Who is to say you don't get suspended for a year, along with a massive fine? It really just isn't worth the risk, especially because Brady is fairly well liked. Low round pick making good in the NFL and all that, never says anything bad about his opponents. It might make you all happy, but it really isn't very likely unless it's a heat-of-the-moment kind of thing.

 

[laxiepoo]

Eventually he's going to piss the wrong dude off and Brady's going to start getting hit 5 seconds after he throws the ball.

If any player is foolish enough to do this, which is unquestionably unsportsmanlike, I have no doubt they would face a minimum of the rest of the season suspension, and maybe even a year. It would be construed as nothing more than a deliberate attempt to take him out of the game, perhaps forever. No player would do such a thing, and no coach would advocate it. This isn't the cheap shot stepping on a hand, or even kicking a bit when walking by.

Certainly not condoning this but I don't think I've ever heard of a player being suspended for the season for taking a cheap shot on a QB. Why would going after Brady be punished more severely than any other QB?

Not a Skins fan, Not a Pats fan, Not a Hater of anyone. I'm a Chargers fan. And yesterday I saw that cheap shot put on Schaub by our CB Dreighton Florence, and that was just crap. It was away from the play, it was a blind-side hit, and I think Florence needs to be fined or suspended for his actions. There's no room for malicious hits.Malicious hits are much more classless than running up a score has ever been.I understand why Bellichick is running it up. All the reasons have been discussed on this topic already. I think more players could look to send a message to the Pats about having no class, and if it happens, that will be unfortunate and ugly for the entire league. And the Pats should stop running it up in the 4th quarter if they want to improve their image.What is this? First Videogate - Now Run-It-Up-Gate?

 

[Otis]

I hate the Patriots and Bellichek but this nonsense about it being classess not to "show mercy" in a football game must go. This is absurd. It's a game, and you play from start to finish, and there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with "running up the score.""Oh my god. You are beating us by too many points. Please don't try as hard for the rest of the game, k?"So stupid.

Its not about showing mercy people.Why must you all keep repeating that myth.

Then what is it about? If we are talking about a children's league where the kids are supposed to have fun and have their confidence bolstered, then I see reasons why you might not run up the score.These are grown men, paid millions of dollars to be professional athletes. The goal is to score more points than the opposing team. What's the motivation for not scoring more points?This whole debate is so stupid it hurts.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Maybe those wishing to send a message to Belichick should take it up with him directly, you know, like a man.

 

[redman]

Here's the thing that I assumed anyone who ever played sports would understand:If my team is being dominated by another team, I am not going to stop playing hard. I want to go down swinging. I want to be a man and not give up. I want to show the world that although my skill level may not approach my opponent's skill level, my heart and desire to excel is equal. The LAST thing I want is for my opponent to show me "mercy" or play half speed or kneel down or whatever. I wouldn't go as far as to say I would be insulted by such action (because my opponent is showing kindness, so you can't really be mad at him), but I don't think I'd be happy about it. I come into a match for the love of the competition. That's what this is about right? Two sets of warriors taking the field. If one side dominates, it can dominate with honor. And if one side loses, it can lose with honor. While I am sure intentions may be in the right place, but "going easy" on an opponent does dishonor to both sides, really.THAT BEING SAID, it is not acceptable for a team to dominate its opponent in a dishonorable manner. For example, if a team is up by 5 scores, and then scores again I think it would be somewhat classless and distasteful to celebrate the score, or act in a disrespectful manner on the sideline or on the field. Catcalls, high fives, celabrations, or related activities that "rub a team's noses" in the domination would make me extremely angry as a competitor.

 

[mdog1967]

I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I do have one opinion:

BB is a genius. He cares about one thing: Winning. He never said he was classy, and probably doesn't give a crap whether the average fan, or any of the other coaches think he's classy.

He wants to win, he's won 3 super bowls, and he's a front runner for his 4th this year. And at this point, they'll be right there in the mix the next 5 years for more super bowls.

He wins, thats what he does. Thats what will be remembered. I don't think Bear Bryant or Vince Lombardi are remembered for their "class". They're remembered for winning. In 50 years, it will be the same with BB.

Yes, only winning. That's why you risk your starters in a 38 point blowout in the 4th. He cares about much more than simply winning.

I doubt anyone on this board really cares about the Pats running up the score, its an excuse much like the over the top comments on "Billicheat" and "Shady Brady". You have found an enemy to rail against and thats all there is to it. Same thing with "its for the Kids", horse do-do. I have watched the atmosphere of the games the children are playing in and the days of good ol esteem building are over. Far too many parents trot their kids out there pushing them to play too hard and too competative. I would even go so far as to say many of you with kids complaining are the same ones getting mad at your kids cause their team lost and they didnt try hard enough. Its what American culture has become and it is invasive in all aspects of our life. Its great that a few of you are noble and moral and believe team building and sportmanship count, too many of you are just complaining for the sake of complaining. Its entertainment, thats all. Once again find other role models for you children to emulate. Better yet turn off the TV on sunday and take them outside to gets some fresh air.

 

[wiffle_3]

Maybe those wishing to send a message to Belichick should take it up with him directly, you know, like a man.

???? Ok then..., you set up the meeting, I'm there.And BTW Pat Homers.... I don't think any1 here raising these points dislike the "Pats".... they dislike BB and everything he represents. Specifically, it has been PROVEN he has no regard for the "written rule" of the NFL, and it is further evident, that he has no regard for the "unwritten" rules of football either. A man like BB is hated in every walk of life EXCEPT, apparantly as a HC of a football team(???).... Wake the ^%$* up and call the spade a friggin spade.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Maybe those wishing to send a message to Belichick should take it up with him directly, you know, like a man.

???? Ok then..., you set up the meeting, I'm there.And BTW Pat Homers.... I don't think any1 here raising these points dislike the "Pats".... they dislike BB and everything he represents. Specifically, it has been PROVEN he has no regard for the "written rule" of the NFL, and it is further evident, that he has no regard for the "unwritten" rules of football either. A man like BB is hated in every walk of life EXCEPT, apparantly as a HC of a football team(???).... Wake the ^%$* up and call the spade a friggin spade.

I'm saying as opposed to going after Brady. Clearly, or so I thought, I meant any opposing coach or player, not any crazy with access to a keyboard.

 

[parrot]

I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I do have one opinion:

BB is a genius. He cares about one thing: Winning. He never said he was classy, and probably doesn't give a crap whether the average fan, or any of the other coaches think he's classy.

He wants to win, he's won 3 super bowls, and he's a front runner for his 4th this year. And at this point, they'll be right there in the mix the next 5 years for more super bowls.

He wins, thats what he does. Thats what will be remembered. I don't think Bear Bryant or Vince Lombardi are remembered for their "class". They're remembered for winning. In 50 years, it will be the same with BB.

Yes, only winning. That's why you risk your starters in a 38 point blowout in the 4th. He cares about much more than simply winning.

Maybe he feels that the tangible benefit of having his first team O run as many plays as possible as a unit outweighs the potential risk of injury, that it's in their long term best interest to continue to hone the edge against opposing defenses. Especially with the Indy game looming. Is that really out of the realm of possibility.

 

[wiffle_3]

I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I do have one opinion:

BB is a genius. He cares about one thing: Winning. He never said he was classy, and probably doesn't give a crap whether the average fan, or any of the other coaches think he's classy.

He wants to win, he's won 3 super bowls, and he's a front runner for his 4th this year. And at this point, they'll be right there in the mix the next 5 years for more super bowls.

He wins, thats what he does. Thats what will be remembered. I don't think Bear Bryant or Vince Lombardi are remembered for their "class". They're remembered for winning. In 50 years, it will be the same with BB.

Yes, only winning. That's why you risk your starters in a 38 point blowout in the 4th. He cares about much more than simply winning.

Maybe he feels that the tangible benefit of having his first team O run as many plays as possible as a unit outweighs the potential risk of injury, that it's in their long term best interest to continue to hone the edge against opposing defenses. Especially with the Indy game looming. Is that really out of the realm of possibility.

Um...., yes. he does this every ####### week.

 

[PainTrain]

Okay, I'll admit it. I'm still a Patriot hater. But I've changed my tune on this.

I was in the camp that thought running up the score was classless and unnecessary. A win is a win in the standings, and once you have it, you might as well give your backups some reps, and your starters some rest (and protection). I completely understand that, and if a player is injured, the coach will have a lot of questions to answer. We'll have to wait to see if that casts a cloud on the decisions they're making.

But in considering what is to be gained, I think there's a colossal psychological advantage gained by the Patriots absolutely thrashing every opponent they match up with mercilessly. Looking at the gawdy scores and ruthless tactics has got to get in opponents heads when preparing for games. The question of "HOW MUCH are they going to beat us by" is unavoidable. That's huge. I think it lowers a teams expectations of themselves when the severity of the loss is piled onto simply losing the game. The next team's confidence takes a hit when the scoreboard screams that at no point during the game are the Pats opponents permitted to function like a professional football team. They'll be embarrassed for every tick of the clock. They're playing on a different level, and they refuse to fall back into a level of play that would allow their opponents to feel competitive on the same field for even a second. They leave their opponents with absolutely no warm fuzzies, nothing to feel good about when they go back into the locker room. Just a handshake to say its over. And that's where the next team takes over.

I hate the Patriots. I want them to lose very badly.

But I kinda like that, and I hope they don't let up.

 

[parrot]

I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I do have one opinion:

BB is a genius. He cares about one thing: Winning. He never said he was classy, and probably doesn't give a crap whether the average fan, or any of the other coaches think he's classy.

He wants to win, he's won 3 super bowls, and he's a front runner for his 4th this year. And at this point, they'll be right there in the mix the next 5 years for more super bowls.

He wins, thats what he does. Thats what will be remembered. I don't think Bear Bryant or Vince Lombardi are remembered for their "class". They're remembered for winning. In 50 years, it will be the same with BB.

Yes, only winning. That's why you risk your starters in a 38 point blowout in the 4th. He cares about much more than simply winning.

Maybe he feels that the tangible benefit of having his first team O run as many plays as possible as a unit outweighs the potential risk of injury, that it's in their long term best interest to continue to hone the edge against opposing defenses. Especially with the Indy game looming. Is that really out of the realm of possibility.

Um...., yes. he does this every ####### week.

Yeah, and the same rationale would apply every ######## week.

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I do have one opinion:

BB is a genius. He cares about one thing: Winning. He never said he was classy, and probably doesn't give a crap whether the average fan, or any of the other coaches think he's classy.

He wants to win, he's won 3 super bowls, and he's a front runner for his 4th this year. And at this point, they'll be right there in the mix the next 5 years for more super bowls.

He wins, thats what he does. Thats what will be remembered. I don't think Bear Bryant or Vince Lombardi are remembered for their "class". They're remembered for winning. In 50 years, it will be the same with BB.

Yes, only winning. That's why you risk your starters in a 38 point blowout in the 4th. He cares about much more than simply winning.

Maybe he feels that the tangible benefit of having his first team O run as many plays as possible as a unit outweighs the potential risk of injury, that it's in their long term best interest to continue to hone the edge against opposing defenses. Especially with the Indy game looming. Is that really out of the realm of possibility.

Yes

 

[redman]

Okay, I'll admit it. I'm still a Patriot hater. But I've changed my tune on this.

I was in the camp that thought running up the score was classless and unnecessary. A win is a win in the standings, and once you have it, you might as well give your backups some reps, and your starters some rest (and protection). I completely understand that, and if a player is injured, the coach will have a lot of questions to answer. We'll have to wait to see if that casts a cloud on the decisions they're making.

But in considering what is to be gained, I think there's a colossal psychological advantage gained by the Patriots absolutely thrashing every opponent they match up with mercilessly. Looking at the gawdy scores and ruthless tactics has got to get in opponents heads when preparing for games. The question of "HOW MUCH are they going to beat us by" is unavoidable. That's huge. I think it lowers a teams expectations of themselves when the severity of the loss is piled onto simply losing the game. The next team's confidence takes a hit when the scoreboard screams that at no point during the game are the Pats opponents permitted to function like a professional football team. They'll be embarrassed for every tick of the clock. They're playing on a different level, and they refuse to fall back into a level of play that would allow their opponents to feel competitive on the same field for even a second. They leave their opponents with absolutely no warm fuzzies, nothing to feel good about when they go back into the locker room. Just a handshake to say its over. And that's where the next team takes over.

I hate the Patriots. I want them to lose very badly.

But I kinda like that, and I hope they don't let up.

The question has been asked, "What difference does it make if you lose 38-0 versus 52-0?" Isn't it also fair to ask , "What difference does it make if you win 52-0 versus 38-0?" In other words, they're already dominating games on their way to victories, so does running up the score really create any more of a mystique? Everyone who argues as you do seems to assume that it's the last 14 or whatever points that make the difference. Do they?

 

[Otis]

You guys are so mean and classless for scoring so many points!!

 

[wiffle_3]

Okay, I'll admit it. I'm still a Patriot hater. But I've changed my tune on this. I was in the camp that thought running up the score was classless and unnecessary. A win is a win in the standings, and once you have it, you might as well give your backups some reps, and your starters some rest (and protection). I completely understand that, and if a player is injured, the coach will have a lot of questions to answer. We'll have to wait to see if that casts a cloud on the decisions they're making.But in considering what is to be gained, I think there's a colossal psychological advantage gained by the Patriots absolutely thrashing every opponent they match up with mercilessly. Looking at the gawdy scores and ruthless tactics has got to get in opponents heads when preparing for games. The question of "HOW MUCH are they going to beat us by" is unavoidable. That's huge. I think it lowers a teams expectations of themselves when the severity of the loss is piled onto simply losing the game. The next team's confidence takes a hit when the scoreboard screams that at no point during the game are the Pats opponents permitted to function like a professional football team. They'll be embarrassed for every tick of the clock. They're playing on a different level, and they refuse to fall back into a level of play that would allow their opponents to feel competitive on the same field for even a second. They leave their opponents with absolutely no warm fuzzies, nothing to feel good about when they go back into the locker room. Just a handshake to say its over. And that's where the next team takes over.I hate the Patriots. I want them to lose very badly. But I kinda like that, and I hope they don't let up.

FINALLY a "valid" logic for BB being an *ss. Even if true, the ends IMO do not justify the means.... The tactics still belittle the unwritten "ethos" of all sports. Once you give way a little here, and then a little there, the lines of right and wrong are erased completely..... soon the sport(s) resembles the movie 'Death race 2000'....... SCAREY!