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It is pretty good. My boss would approve. She is a PhD in English so she likes it when I drop the vocab on her. I might steal your pairing, just so you know.How about
Actually, I'm disappointed. Even without inflation factored in, I think that pairing is worth at least a quarter.
Too bad for Suggs, as their will be some big crackers on the oline that will be spending some quality time with Lee if a cheap shot is played.spacevan said:
Great story. I appreciate you sharing that. Hang in there, 'old' man. Clearly, youre only getting 'better'.
Who the hell is Lee?Oh, yea, that below average running back who last played for the Dolphins.C'mon, at least get the names right.
Really. Everyone knows the only person dumb/crazy enough to do this is Joey Porter.
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OMG BELLICHEAT YOU CLASSLESS CHEATER. YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON AND YOU SCORE TOO MANY POINTS AGANIS T POOR HELPLESS DEFENSES.
Lee Suggs, Terrell Suggs, the fact remains that the Pats will be happy to dance with Baltimore as needed.
Shock of the year. [icon] doesn't recognize the merit of having class.OMG BELLICHEAT YOU CLASSLESS CHEATER. YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON AND YOU SCORE TOO MANY POINTS AGANIS T POOR HELPLESS DEFENSES.
I don't think that's what it is. People have scored 50 plus points in the league before, it's the way you do it. When up 40 points in the 4th quarter, many of the great coaches before him would have done anything else but pass the ball and then get a passing TD afterwards.I'm kind of bummed out about him having to do that because outside of doing that stuff at the end of the game, they're having the greatest season ever. I'd much rather be talking about that and enjoying their brilliance than having to talk about why he feels the need to throw the ball up 40 on 4th down in the 4th quarter.
veryI don't think that's what it is. People have scored 50 plus points in the league before, it's the way you do it. When up 40 points in the 4th quarter, many of the great coaches before him would have done anything else but pass the ball and then get a passing TD afterwards.I'm kind of bummed out about him having to do that because outside of doing that stuff at the end of the game, they're having the greatest season ever. I'd much rather be talking about that and enjoying their brilliance than having to talk about why he feels the need to throw the ball up 40 on 4th down in the 4th quarter.OMG BELLICHEAT YOU CLASSLESS CHEATER. YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON AND YOU SCORE TOO MANY POINTS AGANIS T POOR HELPLESS DEFENSES.
Why Welker when they score to make it 52-0 spikes the ball down as if he just caught the game winning TD catch.
Like I said, whatever. However, I'd much rather be talking about how good they are......because they are something special.
Shock of the year. [icon] doesn't recognize the merit of having class.OMG BELLICHEAT YOU CLASSLESS CHEATER. YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON AND YOU SCORE TOO MANY POINTS AGANIS T POOR HELPLESS DEFENSES.
nice...
Kicking the field goal is the classless act. At least NE gave the Redskins a "chance" to stop them. People complaining about the score being run up need to stop whinning like little girls.And quite honestly, the Patriots could have probably scored 66 points with more aggressive play calling - Washington got off lucky it was only 52.4th and 1on the 7up by 38 in the fourth quarter. Calling a QB sneak with brady to pick up the first down is stupid. You are putting your QB at risk when you do not need to.kick the field goalI just don't understand the vitriol about the Pats running up the score. Everyone is paid an enormous amount of money in this league to field competitive teams. They all have the same salary cap and contractual rules to play by. They all have the right to call plays and live with the consequences. Why shouldn't the Pats continue to play this way if no one can stop them? Why shouldn't they want to smash NFL records on their way to a Super Bowl run? Why is it wrong that Belichick wants to see Brady break the single season passing marks? Love or hate Belichick, he is absolutely right in what he says. When an opponent comes over and says, "OK Bill, you got us this time, let's call it a game" then Bill can tell the Pats to start taking a knee. For a sport that's as popular as it is because of the perceived toughness of those involved, I'm shocked at how many whiny fans have a problem with what the Pats are doing. I just don't get it
That's what Steve young was saying before the MNF game, as someone pointed out earluer. And he seemed almost moved by it when he said it. I think he was sincerely upset over the fact that this team was so good but people were talking about SPygate and the Scorced Earth policy BB has taken becasue of that. And it's true for me as well. Up until this season I had nothing but respect for the team, BB's genius, their management decisions and Brady. And I have no stake in the AFC other than SD, and I don't hate them for "beating" the Chargers, the Chargers had that game if not for a boneheaded play by Parker on a punt return and a less than brilliant decision by McCree to not just fall down after picking of Brady. I thought it was a little rude to stomp on the field before the game was over but that's not a big deal when you look at why they were doing it. I can't stand people going nuts after one tackle. I liked what the Pats did with Dillon and now with Moss and how they took guys like Harrison and Seau and Chad Brown etc.. and turned them into aged but effective stars. And I understand why Pats fans have their hackles up. Who are they going to spew venom at, their coach and team or the guys bagging on their coach and team? No brainer. But like so many people who admired the Pats with no stake in them, their tactics and cheating (not something that "happened to them) has soured me on them on this, their greatest season. I would so much rather be talking about how sick they are, about how happy I am that I grabbed Welker in all my leagues. But seeing them pass the ball up 38 - 0 and spike the ball like it was a significant game changing score and then BS everyone in the press conference and say "We;re just trying to win" makes me hope, not really for an injury, but for some kind of come uppance that ruins their season. Most likely that will come by way of an injury, and I don't want anyone on that team to go down from a cheap shot. But I see it coming, intentional or not, when the stars should be on the sidelines. And because of their attitude, I'm not going to feel sorry one bit for the team, the fans or the player(s) that get hurt. Whether it comes on a frustration hit, late or not, or to an OL when the team lines up for a real spike and 5 guys crash right over the center. But overall, I'd rather be talking about the best team I've seen, their D makes them better than some of the offensive juggernauts of the recent past, instead of feeling antagonistic towards them for how they're playing. And that is all on BB.veryI don't think that's what it is. People have scored 50 plus points in the league before, it's the way you do it. When up 40 points in the 4th quarter, many of the great coaches before him would have done anything else but pass the ball and then get a passing TD afterwards.I'm kind of bummed out about him having to do that because outside of doing that stuff at the end of the game, they're having the greatest season ever. I'd much rather be talking about that and enjoying their brilliance than having to talk about why he feels the need to throw the ball up 40 on 4th down in the 4th quarter.
Why Welker when they score to make it 52-0 spikes the ball down as if he just caught the game winning TD catch.
Like I said, whatever. However, I'd much rather be talking about how good they are......because they are something special.
And this is the problem I have with most Pats defenders on this board. If you say anything objective about the Pats that isn't positive then you are a "Pats hater". But that goes to the point I made above, who are the Pats fans going to go after for all the negative hype their team gets, their own team or the people pointing out the obvious and deserved negatives about their team? What a sad pathetic fan base this is...
You need to reread this thread. Relatively few of the posts critical of the Pats have come from Washington fans. That's because this isn't a one week issue, and because what the Pats are doing seems to be open to criticism from all corners except - surprise! - New England fans.
Prediction: If this were to happen, the same people saying that its ok to run up the score becasue its a "big boys game" would be whining about such a classless hit.
9 pages and the defenders still don't get it.
"Endorsed" is not the issue. I don't think many people are rooting for it, but most people (me included) aren't going to mourn much if it happens because a player on a team that's getting passed on in the 4th quarter during a blowout got pissed because his pride was getting trampled on. It's called poetic justice. It's not written anywhere, but at the gut level most people are going to feel that way unless they have some coutervailing ulterior motive (e.g. Pats fan; fan of Brady's GQ shoots, etc.). The ultimate irony in this thread is that Pats fans want to turn a blind eye to these sentiments during a conversation in which they're talking about "intimidation", and "sending a message", and "making a statement", etc. It's human nature. It will happen, it's only a matter of time. If it doesn't happen, Brady should count himself lucky.
Exactly. Just like stealing a base in the 8th inning when up by 10 runs. It's recognized as a classless act and if you do it, you will get beaned.
But this is not a spaghetti western, and you are not Lee Marvin.Two wrongs don't make a right. Remember?Karma is not a built-in excuse for romanticizing incorrect action.
I'm sorry, are you admitting to Wrong No. 1? You are certainly entitled to lecture everyone about this stuff before and after it happens, as I have no doubt you'll do. I just don't think you're going to have a lot of people listening.
See, that's where you are very wrong. Flags and fines are given for hitting the QB a second or two after he throws. A clearly intentional hit, say, 5 seconds after the ball is out is something you don't see in football. I would guarantee something like that would net at least a suspension for several games if not the rest of the year, as well as a substantial fine. If you don't think that will happen, you haven't paid attention to the current commish.
I for one think that deliberately injuring a defenseless QB is less classy than deliberately scoring a touchdown under any circumstance. If you're talking about a hard hit within the normal confines of the game--e.g. calling a bunch of blitzes in order to increase the likelihood of a hard sack--that's fine. But a deliberate late hit is the very definition of a cheap shot, which would warrant (and earn) a suspension and a hefty fine.Honestly, I don't have a huge problem with fans on a message board saying that the Patriots are being cheap in running up the score. While I don't really agree, they are definitely approaching the line. What baffles me, however, is opposing defensive players issuing the same complaint. I'm not an IDP guy so I'm not aware if Randall Godfrey is any good, but I think the vast majority of opposing defensive players would have way too much pride to publicly complain about another team trying their hardest against them.
I agree with everything you just said. Late hits like that dont happen very often in the NFL because they are considered classless acts that most players wouldnt consider doing. That same thing is true of running up the score. You don't see it very often, because most of the coaches/teams/players consider it classless. Some people in this thread can't see this.
So you expect them to scale it back after the Indy game?
Well, they take a week off for their bye, so they may cool of a little. But its bound to happen anyway. I think weather will contribute a little, but how can they possibly score close to or more than 50 for 3 straight games again? Im not sure it it'll be 'scaling back', but I think it will be just taking it a game at a time. Personally, I think this past 3 game stretch has just been 3 incredible games of football by these guys. And it won't go on forever. I think in the 'Skins game, part of their approach was to win, and get as ready for Indy as possible without looking past Washington. And let's face it, that game was just a giant flukey snowball of a game that happens from time to time.So you expect them to scale it back after the Indy game?
Largely true, but the discussion here is not about every point scored, but about things like going for it late in the game twice on 4th down, and not pulling Brady until midway through the 4th quarter. Those aren't flukes- those are coaching decisions.Well, they take a week off for their bye, so they may cool of a little. But its bound to happen anyway. I think weather will contribute a little, but how can they possibly score close to or more than 50 for 3 straight games again? Im not sure it it'll be 'scaling back', but I think it will be just taking it a game at a time. Personally, I think this past 3 game stretch has just been 3 incredible games of football by these guys. And it won't go on forever. I think in the 'Skins game, part of their approach was to win, and get as ready for Indy as possible without looking past Washington. And let's face it, that game was just a giant flukey snowball of a game that happens from time to time.So you expect them to scale it back after the Indy game?
Mike Golic today stated indirectly what several of the others have also implied. Go ahead and run up the score, it is the defense's job to stop them. But Golic finally stated "some things just need to get taken care of on the field". Greenburg responded with "what do you mean", and Golic responded "I think you know what I mean". Some of the words may be incorrect, but it was clear that Golic expects athletes to enforce unwritten rules (he has complained about this in other sports). And I can guarantee that Butkus, Deacon Jones, etc would definitely take a few extra late shots at an opponent they felt was disrespecting them. I also believe that many of the above mentioned coaches/players would try to take care of the situation on the field by adding a few shots to key players. I also heard Clayton today state that there are many NFL offices, coaches, and players that are shocked about the way NE is running up the score but do not want to sound like whiners so they won't say anything on record.One thing that most teams facing NE realize there will be no quarter given (there was always an excuse why NE scored the way they did in previous games) so why not take several 15 yard late hits early in the game. Knock a player or two out of the game. When a person gets humiliated or expects to, they will do some very barbaric things in a barbaric sport.
You have not listened to what John Clayton has been saying and writing.And he is saying he is hearing it throughout the league that people are taking notice.Ditka has not completely taken the other side. Sounded to me like he said if you want to do something about it...do it. Pretty sure I heard him say there were those who would have taken care of it by now in years past.
Preemptive strike! Now not only would it be understandable/acceptable (not that anyone advocates or endorses it though) to cheap shot in response to a blowout, they should just go ahead and expect to get blown out and start the cheap shotting right out of the box. Quality.
I agree. Twitch, I think you're underestimating how much of a desire there is to adhere to the macho chic version of PC that prevails in the NFL on an issue such as this. Many people think that crying foul reeks of being soft and being "unable to take care of business" or some such thing. I don't sense a countervailing sentiment, so I don't believe that you can take these "defenders" of the Pats at face value, at least not all of them.
... the best post in this thread by far...Living in Canada - not being a die hard fan of any team - I respected the 'Pats way', only had high praises for them - the way they prepare themselves for games, the way they develop their players, the way they exploit mismatches and adapt on the fly, always finding a way to get the most out of everyone and eluding the 'me-first' attitude that we see constantly in sports nowadays... simply, pure genius...Belichik went overboard with SpyGate (he's surely not the only one to have done this - let's not kid ourselves here)... and the Pats developed a 'us against the world' attitude... fine with me... it helps them to push and shove it a bit more... and by doing so, they are on the verge of having the best season in the history of the NFL - isn't that something?... Well, we can't tell - because we are still arguing about spiking the ball in your opponent's face when it's 52-0...'Good Pats gone wrong'
Why would I want to listen to John Clayton on a football issue? He's never played. I listed the names of men who've played the game. Clayton is a football gossip columnist. I dont need to really hear his remarks on what's being said. I know what it is. People dont like it. Not exactly a giant revelation. The unwritten rule code requires redemption. I get it.
Im not a Pats fan, and I would never roll out the "myopic" and "provinciality" on anyone in this post.
But three rights do make a left.SeniorVBDStudent said:
Buddha actually, but thanks for the compliment.wiffle_3 said:SeniorVBDStudent said:Well said Jesus.
