Ben Tate (1 Viewer)

[pittstownkiller]

If this is a honda, sorry. Does Tate have legitimate early round value, a la Stewart, where his talent (dynasty) makes him worth a pick? With Foster gimpy, does Tate have redraft value in early rounds-to-mid-rounds? Where does he stand with others in his position such as:

Stewart

Ringer

P. Thomas

Bush/Thomas (Mia)

Feel free to add others

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

If he started all year in Houston's offense. He would be a top 15 back...The End

 

[VikingFrog]

Hypothetical situation.

Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.

Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.

What then?

RBBC?

Hand the reigns back to Foster?

 

[GregR]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

I think it's possible in that situation that Tate might get some carries during the season. But watching them play, I don't think there is any doubt that Foster is a much better running back. So I'd expect Foster to still get 2/3 if it went that route.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

I think it's possible in that situation that Tate might get some carries during the season. But watching them play, I don't think there is any doubt that Foster is a much better running back. So I'd expect Foster to still get 2/3 if it went that route.

This closer to the angle that I was looking for. Tate was in a pretty good way last season before he got hurt; as far as dynasty is his talent worth a roster spot to start culling him? Do you think that he is just a marginal talent?

 

[N Zone]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

Won't happen. More likely the Texans rush Foster back, he reaggravates his hamstring again and even worse, Tate goes on to have a very productive season for at least until Foster gets back which could be several games. Kubiak just said Derrick Ward is still #2 behind Foster, but I don't trust Kubiak. Tate looks great.

 

[Banger]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

Won't happen. More likely the Texans rush Foster back, he reaggravates his hamstring again and even worse, Tate goes on to have a very productive season for at least until Foster gets back which could be several games. Kubiak just said Derrick Ward is still #2 behind Foster, but I don't trust Kubiak. Tate looks great.

haha, Ward...He's terrible.

 

[GregR]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

Won't happen. More likely the Texans rush Foster back, he reaggravates his hamstring again and even worse, Tate goes on to have a very productive season for at least until Foster gets back which could be several games. Kubiak just said Derrick Ward is still #2 behind Foster, but I don't trust Kubiak. Tate looks great.

haha, Ward...He's terrible.

He was terrible on the Bucs. Running behind the Texans line he had 6.3 yard per carry and proved to the Texans coaches they can count on him until such time as he shows otherwise.

 

[Jubay]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

Won't happen. More likely the Texans rush Foster back, he reaggravates his hamstring again and even worse, Tate goes on to have a very productive season for at least until Foster gets back which could be several games. Kubiak just said Derrick Ward is still #2 behind Foster, but I don't trust Kubiak. Tate looks great.

Yea I agree, I'm targeting Tate in both Keeper and Redraft leagues. Hammy injuries get interesting, I can easily see Foster rushing back to get on the field and then reinjuring his hamstring and this ending up as a split situation, a nightmare for both owners (much more for those who spent a #1 pick!)

 

[Banger]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

Won't happen. More likely the Texans rush Foster back, he reaggravates his hamstring again and even worse, Tate goes on to have a very productive season for at least until Foster gets back which could be several games. Kubiak just said Derrick Ward is still #2 behind Foster, but I don't trust Kubiak. Tate looks great.

haha, Ward...He's terrible.

He was terrible on the Bucs. Running behind the Texans line he had 6.3 yard per carry and proved to the Texans coaches they can count on him until such time as he shows otherwise.

if Foster were out a significant amount of time do you really think that Ward would get the lion share of the carries? I think he works as a good #2 on the depth chart because they have a great #1 and Ward can come in and play the vet but if that #1 stud were gone and they still need to win games I can't see them leaning on Ward when you have Tate there.

 

[GregR]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

I think it's possible in that situation that Tate might get some carries during the season. But watching them play, I don't think there is any doubt that Foster is a much better running back. So I'd expect Foster to still get 2/3 if it went that route.

This closer to the angle that I was looking for. Tate was in a pretty good way last season before he got hurt; as far as dynasty is his talent worth a roster spot to start culling him? Do you think that he is just a marginal talent?

Actually, Tate wasnt in a good way last season before he got hurt. He missed OTAs with a hamstring and the coaches were critical of how far along he was going into the first game where he got hurt.This year though he definitely does look like the 2nd best RB on the team. I think he definitely should be rostered in a dynasty league. I also think Ward should be rostered for the time being, at least by the Foster owner. But Tate may stay buried behind Foster for awhile.This is my take, not something the coaches have said, but my guess is that if Foster is hurt, Ward starts out getting at least 60% of the carries and Tate about 40% with a chance to earn a bigger share based on how he does. But when Foster comes back I think they'll stick with him most of the time. Foster is very above average in most aspects of the game. Tate hasn't really shown that yet. He's got more burst than Ward/Slaton/Ogbannaya and he runs with power, but he hasn't shown the vision or deceptive ability to make people miss that Foster has.

 

[Shutout]

You guys are over-thinking, anxious before the season starts, and/or just trying WAAAY to hard to try to catch the next Foster.

What you are suggesting with these "What if....Can this become a RBBC....can Tate take over type of questions is just not realistic.

1. Its pre-season. Does anyone need reminded how many guys look like Pre-season gods but then quickly become irrelevant when the bullets start flying for real?

2. The coaching staff said just a few days ago that Foster is "the man" and needs 20-25 touches a game. And that's based on good reason..this is the guy that led the league in yards, TDs, and was upper echelon in receptions and ypc...the guy is a feature type talented back in the NFL.

3. THe types of scenarios you are describing seems to suggest that this staff is going to take what they built, see some guy that looks like a shiny new toy, and then abrupthly dump what they have and start monkeying with it. That's the kind of stuff we do as fantasy owners; not what head coaches with their job on the line and a legit "window" to break through in their division does.

Does no one remember how many times Michael Turner used to play in the place of LT or come in when the game was out of hand and Turner would look fantastic? Did the Charger ever say, "well that's great! Let's take the ball out of our league leading rusher's hands and get this kid more involved?"

Really, what all this suggests is that Tate could be a good talent that may very well produce in this league. So, if you are drafting him hoping he gets traded or hoping that Foster gets an injury that is season-ending, then that's probably a realistic possibility. But if you are drafting him thinking he is going to eat into and maybe push Foster into a reduced role large enough to make Tate fantasy relevant, you're not there yet.

 

[GregR]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

Won't happen. More likely the Texans rush Foster back, he reaggravates his hamstring again and even worse, Tate goes on to have a very productive season for at least until Foster gets back which could be several games. Kubiak just said Derrick Ward is still #2 behind Foster, but I don't trust Kubiak. Tate looks great.

haha, Ward...He's terrible.

He was terrible on the Bucs. Running behind the Texans line he had 6.3 yard per carry and proved to the Texans coaches they can count on him until such time as he shows otherwise.

if Foster were out a significant amount of time do you really think that Ward would get the lion share of the carries? I think he works as a good #2 on the depth chart because they have a great #1 and Ward can come in and play the vet but if that #1 stud were gone and they still need to win games I can't see them leaning on Ward when you have Tate there.

I think it would start out that way, and stay that way until Tate showed he was going to outproduce Ward. I do think Tate would become the primary, but it could take a couple of weeks. Ward looked very good running behind this Texans line. You or I would probably look decent running behind it for that matter.Again this is all my opinion, but I have a lot memories of Kubiak sticking with RBs like Ahman Green and Ron Dayne either as primaries or as part of a RBBC when the fantasy community thought there were better options on the team. Those guys either had to end up injured, or someone else had to seize the job during the season before Kubiak would make the switch.I'll add, last year was a bit of an aberration of my beliefs on Kubiak there, as he named Foster the starter early in camp when I thought he'd go with a Foster/Slaton RBBC. So he definitely could just go with Tate, but my best guess is he'd start out RBBC favoring Ward. I'm far from 100% sure, but as a 2x Foster owner I would want both Ward and Tate on my roster too until Tate fully secures the backup spot.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

In a redraft, I'd look to snag him anywhere from the 9/10th round on. Definitely a lotto ticket but pretty much no risk taking him that late over guys like Thomas Jones or Montario Hardesty.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

In a redraft, I'd look to snag him anywhere from the 9/10th round on. Definitely a lotto ticket but pretty much no risk taking him that late over guys like Thomas Jones or Montario Hardesty.

Yup, just grabbed him in the 12th to handcuff my Foster selection at 1.4.

 

[haterade]

Tate's my favorite lottery ticket of the season.

 

[Jubay]

You guys are over-thinking, anxious before the season starts, and/or just trying WAAAY to hard to try to catch the next Foster.What you are suggesting with these "What if....Can this become a RBBC....can Tate take over type of questions is just not realistic.1. Its pre-season. Does anyone need reminded how many guys look like Pre-season gods but then quickly become irrelevant when the bullets start flying for real?2. The coaching staff said just a few days ago that Foster is "the man" and needs 20-25 touches a game. And that's based on good reason..this is the guy that led the league in yards, TDs, and was upper echelon in receptions and ypc...the guy is a feature type talented back in the NFL.3. THe types of scenarios you are describing seems to suggest that this staff is going to take what they built, see some guy that looks like a shiny new toy, and then abrupthly dump what they have and start monkeying with it. That's the kind of stuff we do as fantasy owners; not what head coaches with their job on the line and a legit "window" to break through in their division does.Does no one remember how many times Michael Turner used to play in the place of LT or come in when the game was out of hand and Turner would look fantastic? Did the Charger ever say, "well that's great! Let's take the ball out of our league leading rusher's hands and get this kid more involved?" Really, what all this suggests is that Tate could be a good talent that may very well produce in this league. So, if you are drafting him hoping he gets traded or hoping that Foster gets an injury that is season-ending, then that's probably a realistic possibility. But if you are drafting him thinking he is going to eat into and maybe push Foster into a reduced role large enough to make Tate fantasy relevant, you're not there yet.

Foster has Hamstring "issues",Texans have a Great O Line,and O yea...Tate was the "starter" last year prior to injury. My call is a deep sleeper with major upside (mega style) when it comes to Tate.

 

[Tango]

The fact that there is no thread like this for Rice/Williams or ADP/Gerhart makes Foster the #3 RB. Not only will you have butt-nuts who drool over Bernard-Scott-types like Tate and take him too early; you also have the problem of having no clue who will actually land the backup spot. So Foster-insurance is not only more expensive than Rice-or-ADP-insurance, it's also offers an unusually low hedge against Foster injuries...unless you eat up 2-3 roster spots on Houston back-ups.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Hypothetical situation.Texans rest foster in week one and two to make sure his hammy fully heals.Tate comes in and rushes for > 100 yards and a 2 touchdowns in each game and looks studly behind that dominating Texan's O line.What then? RBBC?Hand the reigns back to Foster?

I think it's possible in that situation that Tate might get some carries during the season. But watching them play, I don't think there is any doubt that Foster is a much better running back. So I'd expect Foster to still get 2/3 if it went that route.

This closer to the angle that I was looking for. Tate was in a pretty good way last season before he got hurt; as far as dynasty is his talent worth a roster spot to start culling him? Do you think that he is just a marginal talent?

Tate is at least as talented as Foster. There, I said it. (or more accurately, wrote it)