Bengals O looks horrible! AJ green going to be oK? (1 Viewer)

[lukinrats]

I know that he is great, and that he is supposed to be one of the top performers this season, but geez did the Bengals look like crap last night. I watched that whole game, and Dalton did not have any time to throw, and to be honest Green was just covered very well

This guy is one of my keepers, but I really hate to keep him if they are going to struggle this way

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

guess you missed the 50 yard TD bomb he caught the week before?

 

[OnTheReg]

Green is too talented not to put up good numbers. Dalton, on the other hand, I expect to struggle this year. Green will still be a low end WR1, but expect some clunkers in there.

 

[Shane Falco]

OH, Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[werdnoynek]

your title is bad. you're implying we should be concerned...

 

[ImTheScientist]

2nd year players are always high risk.

 

[lukinrats]

Nope! I saw it. Other than that, he has not been able to get much done. I don't want to get misunderstood. I know the guy is great, and all, but I dont want a keeper who might end up being one of those guys who is boom or bust

 

[lukinrats]

your title is bad. you're implying we should be concerned...

Well, I dont know about that. You may not be concerned, but I am. Since you brought it up though, I changed it to include just myself in the concern

 

[cheese]

Nope! I saw it. Other than that, he has not been able to get much done. I don't want to get misunderstood. I know the guy is great, and all, but I dont want a keeper who might end up being one of those guys who is boom or bust

OK then, I'll just answer your question. We should be 0% concerned.The Oline is shaky, the Packers are good, and people double and triple team him. None of that is news and none of that is different from last year. Unless you think he's going to stop making ridiculous catches in traffic and turning token shots downfield into TDs, he can overcome his fantasy situation with his ability. Sure, it would be perfect if he also had a great situation to go with his talent, but if he did his ADP would be with Calvin's instead of where it is now.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Nope! I saw it. Other than that, he has not been able to get much done. I don't want to get misunderstood. I know the guy is great, and all, but I dont want a keeper who might end up being one of those guys who is boom or bust

You should probably avoid pretty much any WR then. In my .5PPR league, just 3 out of the top 10 WRs had less than 4 games last year where they scored under 10 points. They were CJ with 2, Gronk with 3 and Jimmy Graham with just 2.So for the other 7 top 10 WRs, they all had at least a quarter of their games where they scored under 10 points.AJ Green had 4, including one game he missed due to injury.

 

[Zeff]

Just dropped him in my 32 team dynasty.

 

[lukinrats]

I get the point you all are making. I am just concerned about Dalton, and that Oline giving him some time. It is not like I would not want AJ, or think that he is going to have some crappy season. The only reason I am asking this question, is because I have other options for keepers.

Last year, he was my lowest performer as far as total points. I have Brandon Marshall, and Antonio Brown. I have to at least consider the fact that both of those guys could outperform Green considering the situation

When I ask, how concerned should I be, it is not because I think he will be some BUST. It is an honest question about how concerned should I be about the fact that his Oline and QB will have a lot of trouble getting him the ball.

 

[One More Rep]

Just dropped him in my 32 team dynasty.

Thats Funny

 

[lukinrats]

Just dropped him in my 32 team dynasty.

Thats Funny

Yes, it is funny.

 

[Modog814]

As someone who has a draft coming up this weekend, I couldn't be happier with Green's performance last night. Much rather see that than what we saw with Julio. He'll be fine, he beat coverage and Dalton just overthrew him for what could have been a long TD. Very promising considering they connected on one last week too.

Don't forget that Cincy was playing without their top 2 RB's, their Top TE and are still in the process of figuring out how to replace Wharton.

 

[lukinrats]

Besides, I didn't say that I watched the entire game, and that Green looked like crap. I said that I watched the entire game, and that line, and Qb looked like crap. Completed 5 passes, and they were all short that I could remember.

I changed the title again, so that maybe people will not misinterpret what it is I am saying

 

[cheese]

I get the point you all are making. I am just concerned about Dalton, and that Oline giving him some time. It is not like I would not want AJ, or think that he is going to have some crappy season. The only reason I am asking this question, is because I have other options for keepers. Last year, he was my lowest performer as far as total points. I have Brandon Marshall, and Antonio Brown. I have to at least consider the fact that both of those guys could outperform Green considering the situationWhen I ask, how concerned should I be, it is not because I think he will be some BUST. It is an honest question about how concerned should I be about the fact that his Oline and QB will have a lot of trouble getting him the ball.

Were you concerned last year? It's the same OL (plus a rookie guard) and QB.

 

[lukinrats]

I get the point you all are making. I am just concerned about Dalton, and that Oline giving him some time. It is not like I would not want AJ, or think that he is going to have some crappy season. The only reason I am asking this question, is because I have other options for keepers. Last year, he was my lowest performer as far as total points. I have Brandon Marshall, and Antonio Brown. I have to at least consider the fact that both of those guys could outperform Green considering the situationWhen I ask, how concerned should I be, it is not because I think he will be some BUST. It is an honest question about how concerned should I be about the fact that his Oline and QB will have a lot of trouble getting him the ball.

Were you concerned last year? It's the same OL (plus a rookie guard) and QB.

NOPE! However, last year I was not trying to decide whether I should keep the guy with a 2nd - 3rd round pick, or go with one of the other WR I have

 

[Two Deep]

I do think it is time for them to settle on a receiver opposite him and start working him into the offense. 2nd receiver by committee seems like a bad idea too me.

 

[Warrior]

I get the point you all are making. I am just concerned about Dalton, and that Oline giving him some time. It is not like I would not want AJ, or think that he is going to have some crappy season. The only reason I am asking this question, is because I have other options for keepers.

Last year, he was my lowest performer as far as total points. I have Brandon Marshall, and Antonio Brown. I have to at least consider the fact that both of those guys could outperform Green considering the situation

When I ask, how concerned should I be, it is not because I think he will be some BUST. It is an honest question about how concerned should I be about the fact that his Oline and QB will have a lot of trouble getting him the ball.

Were you concerned last year? It's the same OL (plus a rookie guard) and QB.

NOPE! However, last year I was not trying to decide whether I should keep the guy with a 2nd - 3rd round pick, or go with one of the other WR I have

You're missing the point. All of your reasons for concern were there last year too...and AJ Green did fine...he did really well in fact. And now he's got an extra year of experience and is likely a better WR because of it.

 

[LHUCKS]

Slightly overvalued in some ADPs IMHO.

Love the player, hate the Bengals.

 

[lukinrats]

I do think it is time for them to settle on a receiver opposite him and start working him into the offense. 2nd receiver by committee seems like a bad idea too me.

I agree. Although, with the performance last night, it is hard to say that they could do that. I think from what I saw, they should definitely go ahead and give Tate his shot. However, I don't know that he can be the guy. I think Simpson, and Caldwell will end up being more of a loss than people realize. Those guys at least made it possible for Green to get open a little easier. Binns looked like he just missed a couple of big plays. So maybe it should be him. Those are the two guys IMHOWith both of them gone, I don't know who is going to draw coverage

 

[lukinrats]

I get the point you all are making. I am just concerned about Dalton, and that Oline giving him some time. It is not like I would not want AJ, or think that he is going to have some crappy season. The only reason I am asking this question, is because I have other options for keepers.

Last year, he was my lowest performer as far as total points. I have Brandon Marshall, and Antonio Brown. I have to at least consider the fact that both of those guys could outperform Green considering the situation

When I ask, how concerned should I be, it is not because I think he will be some BUST. It is an honest question about how concerned should I be about the fact that his Oline and QB will have a lot of trouble getting him the ball.

Were you concerned last year? It's the same OL (plus a rookie guard) and QB.

NOPE! However, last year I was not trying to decide whether I should keep the guy with a 2nd - 3rd round pick, or go with one of the other WR I have

You're missing the point. All of your reasons for concern were there last year too...and AJ Green did fine...he did really well in fact. And now he's got an extra year of experience and is likely a better WR because of it.

Actually I don't think they really were, not ALL of them anyway. As I said a second ago, Simpson, and Caldwell are going to hurt. Also, I am not the one missing the point. Everyone keeps pointing out that all the reasons for concern were there last year. Even if that is the case, it does not matter. I did not take AJ Green in the 2nd or 3rd round last year. I took him much later. This year, I am deciding on whether to use a 2nd or 3rd round pick in order to keep him, when I have other options that I have to consider besides him. Options that do not have such a crappy offense to play in. It is not the player I am questioning, nor whether he can overcome the crappy offense. Its how much should I worry that the crappy offense will hinder him, compared to other WR

 

[LHUCKS]

I get the point you all are making. I am just concerned about Dalton, and that Oline giving him some time. It is not like I would not want AJ, or think that he is going to have some crappy season. The only reason I am asking this question, is because I have other options for keepers.

Last year, he was my lowest performer as far as total points. I have Brandon Marshall, and Antonio Brown. I have to at least consider the fact that both of those guys could outperform Green considering the situation

When I ask, how concerned should I be, it is not because I think he will be some BUST. It is an honest question about how concerned should I be about the fact that his Oline and QB will have a lot of trouble getting him the ball.

Were you concerned last year? It's the same OL (plus a rookie guard) and QB.

NOPE! However, last year I was not trying to decide whether I should keep the guy with a 2nd - 3rd round pick, or go with one of the other WR I have

You're missing the point. All of your reasons for concern were there last year too...and AJ Green did fine...he did really well in fact. And now he's got an extra year of experience and is likely a better WR because of it.

But his ADP is higher and based on a notable increase in production.I don't see the value.

Great player, worrisome offense.

 

[Rushmore]

I do think it is time for them to settle on a receiver opposite him and start working him into the offense. 2nd receiver by committee seems like a bad idea too me.

I would like to see Marvin Jones get up to speed and earn a chance to see what he could do opposite Green. Gresham should help when healthy too.

 

[Two Deep]

I do think it is time for them to settle on a receiver opposite him and start working him into the offense. 2nd receiver by committee seems like a bad idea too me.

I would like to see Marvin Jones get up to speed and earn a chance to see what he could do opposite Green. Gresham should help when healthy too.

I think it will help Dalton and Green both once they decide. Take some heat off Green and provide Dalton with consistency. It has got to be annoying looking for your second receiver and never knowing where he is going to be due to the fact that it is always somebody different and they all run their routes differently.

 

[lukinrats]

FWIW, I actually have no doubt that I will keep AJ.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I don't play in a keeper league, but from what I understand, just by the name, you get to "Keep" Green now and for years to come. You know, when The Bengals have a better O-line. Unless you think he just plain sucks, what could possibly be your motivation to consider dropping him?

 

[PatsFanCT]

FWIW, I actually have no doubt that I will keep AJ.

Oh, that clears it up. You just wanted to start a meaningless post to draw attention to yourself. I get it now.Carry on.

 

[lukinrats]

I don't play in a keeper league, but from what I understand, just by the name, you get to "Keep" Green now and for years to come. You know, when The Bengals have a better O-line. Unless you think he just plain sucks, what could possibly be your motivation to consider dropping him?

LOL, well, because I have Rodgers, Rice, Gronk, Hernandez, Marshall, Brown also. Not really considering that I drop the guy anyway. However, I am concerned

 

[display name]

A.J. Green is being overrated. Everyone is expecting a jump from last year, but usually successful rookie WRs take a step back in their 2nd season. Add in that he also has a 2nd year QB and few legitimate threats to keep defenses honest and I think A.J. Green might improve on last years numbers but probably won't.

I put him around WR11-WR15. Not a top 5 WR like many are predicting.

 

[pantherclub]

I don't play in a keeper league, but from what I understand, just by the name, you get to "Keep" Green now and for years to come. You know, when The Bengals have a better O-line. Unless you think he just plain sucks, what could possibly be your motivation to consider dropping him?

LOL, well, because I have Rodgers, Rice, Gronk, Hernandez, Marshall, Brown also. Not really considering that I drop the guy anyway. However, I am concerned

Off topic by why would anyone play in a league that allowed that?

 

[lukinrats]

I don't play in a keeper league, but from what I understand, just by the name, you get to "Keep" Green now and for years to come. You know, when The Bengals have a better O-line. Unless you think he just plain sucks, what could possibly be your motivation to consider dropping him?

LOL, well, because I have Rodgers, Rice, Gronk, Hernandez, Marshall, Brown also. Not really considering that I drop the guy anyway. However, I am concerned

Off topic by why would anyone play in a league that allowed that?

I don't understand what that means. It is a keeper league, and we keep 5. The first year we played, I drafted Rodgers, and Rice. Rice was not a top 3 back at that time. The next year, I drafted Marshall, and last year I drafted both Gronk and Hernandez (Gronk was not a #1 TE and Hernandez went really late). I liked both guys so I took them. Last year, I also took Julio Jones in the middle rounds and then later I traded him for AJ Green. I drafted Antonio Brown in like the 14th round last season. It is basically a lesser form of a Dynasty league, and I have to let some good players walk this year. I guess what you are really saying is that I should be punished for drafting well??????

 

[lukinrats]

A.J. Green is being overrated. Everyone is expecting a jump from last year, but usually successful rookie WRs take a step back in their 2nd season. Add in that he also has a 2nd year QB and few legitimate threats to keep defenses honest and I think A.J. Green might improve on last years numbers but probably won't.I put him around WR11-WR15. Not a top 5 WR like many are predicting.

I am afraid this might be more true than most fans want to beleive

 

[jurb26]

A.J. Green is being overrated. Everyone is expecting a jump from last year, but usually successful rookie WRs take a step back in their 2nd season. Add in that he also has a 2nd year QB and few legitimate threats to keep defenses honest and I think A.J. Green might improve on last years numbers but probably won't.I put him around WR11-WR15. Not a top 5 WR like many are predicting.

Most rookie WRs had an offseason to prepare before their rookie seasons. Most rookie QBs as well. Given that Green and Dalton had no time prior to last season it seems rather unlikely they would regress. It seems as though they should improve for a number of reasons I don't care to list. It also helps to mention that Green was injured last season and that too hurt him overall numbers. If we simply assume a full season it even more unlikely that he regresses. There is virtually no logical reason for a regression.

 

[display name]

A.J. Green is being overrated. Everyone is expecting a jump from last year, but usually successful rookie WRs take a step back in their 2nd season. Add in that he also has a 2nd year QB and few legitimate threats to keep defenses honest and I think A.J. Green might improve on last years numbers but probably won't.I put him around WR11-WR15. Not a top 5 WR like many are predicting.

Most rookie WRs had an offseason to prepare before their rookie seasons. Most rookie QBs as well. Given that Green and Dalton had no time prior to last season it seems rather unlikely they would regress. It seems as though they should improve for a number of reasons I don't care to list. It also helps to mention that Green was injured last season and that too hurt him overall numbers. If we simply assume a full season it even more unlikely that he regresses. There is virtually no logical reason for a regression.

Except that it happens all the time. Green and Dalton walked into last season just like everyone else did... under prepared. They did well for rookies. You say that is proof they should improve even more than usual 2nd year players. I say they surprised some people and Cincinnati overall had a surprising season. Teams will have a year of film on them now and won't be surprised this season. Green missed one game last year. Many WRs missed that or more. Most of them were probably pretty beat up for a majority of the season. Green could get hurt again... etc.Green bay had a terrible pass defense last season, but they managed to shut down Dalton and Green in a half of football.I'm not calling for disaster. I just think people projecting a jump into top 6 WR territory are taking for granted that year 2 means automatic improvement when it doesn't. Often times players regress. I don't like Cincinnati's offense at all this season.

 

[jurb26]

A.J. Green is being overrated. Everyone is expecting a jump from last year, but usually successful rookie WRs take a step back in their 2nd season. Add in that he also has a 2nd year QB and few legitimate threats to keep defenses honest and I think A.J. Green might improve on last years numbers but probably won't.I put him around WR11-WR15. Not a top 5 WR like many are predicting.

Most rookie WRs had an offseason to prepare before their rookie seasons. Most rookie QBs as well. Given that Green and Dalton had no time prior to last season it seems rather unlikely they would regress. It seems as though they should improve for a number of reasons I don't care to list. It also helps to mention that Green was injured last season and that too hurt him overall numbers. If we simply assume a full season it even more unlikely that he regresses. There is virtually no logical reason for a regression.

Except that it happens all the time. Green and Dalton walked into last season just like everyone else did... under prepared. They did well for rookies. You say that is proof they should improve even more than usual 2nd year players. I say they surprised some people and Cincinnati overall had a surprising season. Teams will have a year of film on them now and won't be surprised this season. Green missed one game last year. Many WRs missed that or more. Most of them were probably pretty beat up for a majority of the season. Green could get hurt again... etc.Green bay had a terrible pass defense last season, but they managed to shut down Dalton and Green in a half of football.I'm not calling for disaster. I just think people projecting a jump into top 6 WR territory are taking for granted that year 2 means automatic improvement when it doesn't. Often times players regress. I don't like Cincinnati's offense at all this season.

I never said anything was proof. I said unlikely.Green missed one game and a full half. He was also slowed in 3 others but played. Every player could get hurt but you only seem to be applying that to Green, which doesn't make sense. How many games are you expecting him to play?The surprise with Green was over by mid season. That isn't a very good reason either. He continued to dominate even while playing injured in the second half of the season. Other rookies like Cam did not. How much are you downgrading Cam this year because of these same concerns?There's got to be more than " it happens all the time.". Green is his own player and so are all the other 2nd year players.

 

[duaneok66]

Just dropped him in my 32 team dynasty.

Thats Funny

hilarious!

 

[Hoosier16]

The bengals offense, especially Dalton, looked even worse last preseason.

 

[[icon]]

Last year, he was my lowest performer as far as total points.

I'm guessing you're a pearl jam fan based on your username so I'm gonna be nice... WTF? AJ Green finished as #8 WR in PPR and he was your lowest performer? And now you're worried about what? A bust? Sure... he might finish a touch outside the top 10 but you're still looking at a monster player here. And if your team is in such a state that he's your WORST WR in 2011, you've got nothing to be concerned about unless you're in a 6 team league or something.

 

[display name]

A.J. Green is being overrated. Everyone is expecting a jump from last year, but usually successful rookie WRs take a step back in their 2nd season. Add in that he also has a 2nd year QB and few legitimate threats to keep defenses honest and I think A.J. Green might improve on last years numbers but probably won't.I put him around WR11-WR15. Not a top 5 WR like many are predicting.

Most rookie WRs had an offseason to prepare before their rookie seasons. Most rookie QBs as well. Given that Green and Dalton had no time prior to last season it seems rather unlikely they would regress. It seems as though they should improve for a number of reasons I don't care to list. It also helps to mention that Green was injured last season and that too hurt him overall numbers. If we simply assume a full season it even more unlikely that he regresses. There is virtually no logical reason for a regression.

Except that it happens all the time. Green and Dalton walked into last season just like everyone else did... under prepared. They did well for rookies. You say that is proof they should improve even more than usual 2nd year players. I say they surprised some people and Cincinnati overall had a surprising season. Teams will have a year of film on them now and won't be surprised this season. Green missed one game last year. Many WRs missed that or more. Most of them were probably pretty beat up for a majority of the season. Green could get hurt again... etc.Green bay had a terrible pass defense last season, but they managed to shut down Dalton and Green in a half of football.I'm not calling for disaster. I just think people projecting a jump into top 6 WR territory are taking for granted that year 2 means automatic improvement when it doesn't. Often times players regress. I don't like Cincinnati's offense at all this season.

I never said anything was proof. I said unlikely.Green missed one game and a full half. He was also slowed in 3 others but played. Every player could get hurt but you only seem to be applying that to Green, which doesn't make sense. How many games are you expecting him to play?The surprise with Green was over by mid season. That isn't a very good reason either. He continued to dominate even while playing injured in the second half of the season. Other rookies like Cam did not. How much are you downgrading Cam this year because of these same concerns?There's got to be more than " it happens all the time.". Green is his own player and so are all the other 2nd year players.

Like I said... WR11-WR14. He was 13th in total points and 15th in ppg last season. I just don't see top 6.And I am downgrading Cam a decent bit compared to what he did last year in the rushing department.