Bengals v. Panthers (1 Viewer)

[bengalbuck]

I didn't see a topic for this game, so I'll get one started.

Looks like 2 pretty bad teams going at it, but the Bengals offense looks surprisingly competent. The Panthers have not been able to stop them at all.



AJ Green just caught a 40 yard TD from Dalton. He should have had another long TD from Dalton earlier in the game as he toasted Chris Gamble but Dalton missed the throw a few feet too far to the sideline and Green missed getting his 2nd foot in by a couple inches (play was overturned on review). Andy Dalton has had a couple misfires but has otherwise looked good. With a couple minutes left in the first half, his QB rating is 148.

Cedric Benson has been running really hard and looks good. Bengals gave it to him over and over. He scored a short TD. The only time the Bengals O was stopped was on a botched handoff between Cedric and Dalton when it looked like there was confusion as to which way Dalton was supposed to turn.

Bernard Scott got his first touches of the pre-season and looked very good. I still don't think he has much value in re-draft but he's a nice dynasty stash.

Jermaine Gresham has also looked pretty good. He does a nice job after the catch on TE screens. He looks big and fast. In my opinion, he's the 2nd guy to own in the passing game after Green

For the Panthers, Cam Newton has looked very good running in the open field. He scored a very impressive 16 yard rushing TD and just got loose for what looked like a 30 or so yard rushing gain. He looks solid.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Other than two runs, Newton looks awful. But not as bad as the Panthers D-Line.

It looks like another long season Panthers fans. These are the Bengals dominating you.

 

[elbowrm]

Yeah I need to stop watching this game or I will wimd up drafting a bunch of Bengals - Panthers making them look aweseome -

 

[whodeywhodey]

Benson is a bargain in redraft leagues. Hes a lock for 250+ carries.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Yeah I need to stop watching this game or I will wimd up drafting a bunch of Bengals - Panthers making them look aweseome -

While the Bengals will be awful in real life they will be serviceable for fantasy given their extremely easy schedule.

 

[bengalbuck]

Yeah I need to stop watching this game or I will wimd up drafting a bunch of Bengals - Panthers making them look aweseome -

It's making me re-evaluate Reggie Bush a little bit actually. I watched him carve up this Panthers D last week and he went from a guy I liked to a guy I really, really like. Might have to downgrade him back to like after seeing what Benson/Scott are doing to the same D.I still think the only 3 guys worth owning on the Bengals this year are AJ Green, Jermaine Gresham and Cedric Benson.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Yeah I need to stop watching this game or I will wimd up drafting a bunch of Bengals - Panthers making them look aweseome -

It's making me re-evaluate Reggie Bush a little bit actually. I watched him carve up this Panthers D last week and he went from a guy I liked to a guy I really, really like. Might have to downgrade him back to like after seeing what Benson/Scott are doing to the same D.I still think the only 3 guys worth owning on the Bengals this year are AJ Green, Jermaine Gresham and Cedric Benson.

Agreed.Maybe a late Scott handcuff and possible Shipley as bench material in PPR.

 

[Rushmore]

Bernard Scott running wild.

 

[cvnpoka]

bernard is just infinitely better than benson.

 

[rizzler]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

 

[thehornet]

bernard is just infinitely better than benson.

no he isnt.

 

[elbowrm]

Greg Olsen is the first legit #2 target in this offense in a long time.

 

[bengalbuck]

Yeah I need to stop watching this game or I will wimd up drafting a bunch of Bengals - Panthers making them look aweseome -

It's making me re-evaluate Reggie Bush a little bit actually. I watched him carve up this Panthers D last week and he went from a guy I liked to a guy I really, really like. Might have to downgrade him back to like after seeing what Benson/Scott are doing to the same D.I still think the only 3 guys worth owning on the Bengals this year are AJ Green, Jermaine Gresham and Cedric Benson.

Agreed.Maybe a late Scott handcuff and possible Shipley as bench material in PPR.

Yeah, I agree on both of those guys as the next 2 possibilities. It would have to be in pretty deep leagues though. I don't see Scott having any fantasy value unless Cedric is injured, and do you really want to use a roster spot on a handcuff to what should be your #3 RB (Benson)? I mean its not like a Ben Tate or someone like that where he would step in and be a star if Benson was out. Maybe like round 18-20 if your league is deep, but I've been seeing him round 12-13 and I think that's a bit crazy.With Shipley, I wouldn't be shocked if he had a fantasy relevant season in a deep PPR league, but I'd be a little bit surprised. I think he ends up 3rd in catches behind Green and Gresham on a bad, run first offense. Something like 45-65 catches would be my guess...

 

[bengalbuck]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

 

[Largent]

how's DWill looked on the few carries he's got?

 

[C-Bound]

Dalton looks like Joe Namath tonight...nuff said.

 

[C-Bound]

how's DWill looked on the few carries he's got?

Sketchy.

 

[bengalbuck]

Wow, if AJ Green had a better QB throwing him the ball, he'd have 3 40+ yard TDs in this first half.

He's smoked the CB and been wide open 3 times on deep balls.

 

[Irish Chaos]

Wow, if AJ Green had a better QB throwing him the ball, he'd have 3 40+ yard TDs in this first half.He's smoked the CB and been wide open 3 times on deep balls.

Not watching but does green really look that good? i was assuming before the preseason jones would have better year than green...?

 

[cobalt_27]

how's DWill looked on the few carries he's got?

Sketchy.

3 for 26 is sketchy?

 

[cvnpoka]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

never. and he proly doesnt get 80 carries this year. marvin hates him. prefers 3 yard plodding benson.

 

[cvnpoka]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

 

[notdarkyet]

From a Bengal's fan perspective there are lots of positives to talk about really. BScott looks like a game changer. The run blocking has been good. Dalton has looked pretty poised for the most part.

The dline continues to impress, they have been a consistent bright spot in a bleak preseason.

So in summation, if they can play last year's worst team 12 or so times this year, I could see a playoff run.

 

[Eastwood]

The Panthers D is either REALLY REALLY bad, or the Bengals offense is a lot better than most would have expected (I think its a little of both)

Scott has looked nothing short of amazing. How Benson keeps him on the sidelines is beyond me. He's a homerun waiting to happen.

And Green is the real deal. Wow he has great hands, appears to run good routes, and as already posted, has major speed and blew past the CB on several occasions.

DeAngelo has looked fine. Limited opportunities, but good as always. Stewart hasn't looked quite as good, but met defenders in the backfield or at the line almost every time.

Newton is nothing like Russell. He's going to be a very good QB in this league IMO.

 

[bengalbuck]

Wow, if AJ Green had a better QB throwing him the ball, he'd have 3 40+ yard TDs in this first half.He's smoked the CB and been wide open 3 times on deep balls.

Not watching but does green really look that good? i was assuming before the preseason jones would have better year than green...?

I like both Jones and Green. I've made the argument in a couple earlier topics that both would surprise this year with their stats. I made the analogy to their freshmen seasons in the SEC when they went from high school right into the toughest conference in the country and finished 1st (Green) and 3rd (Jones) in the league in receiving ahead of older guys like Mike Wallace, Percy Harvin, Mohammed Massaquoi, etc. They aren't typical rookies in my opinion...I know this will sound like hyperbole, but I think Green is one of the top 8 WRs in the NFL right now. His stats won't be that good this year because he has a rookie QB throwing him the ball. However, he is going to get plenty of targets and make plenty of plays despite being in a bad offense, same as Calvin Johnson always has...

 

[thehornet]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

 

[bengalbuck]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

True. Geathers will start over Dunlap. Livings will start over Boling, etc. It is what it is with the Bengals...Just trying to help out the shark pool with my thoughts on the team I follow extremely closely.

 

[cvnpoka]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

can he be a 12-15 per game halfback? or is the typical 2-4 in garbage situations all he can shoulder? i just dont know how anyone can watch the 2 over the last 3 seasons and not think scott is better.

 

[FavreCo]

Scam is gawd awful as expected.

 

[bengalbuck]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

can he be a 12-15 per game halfback? or is the typical 2-4 in garbage situations all he can shoulder? i just dont know how anyone can watch the 2 over the last 3 seasons and not think scott is better.

He definitely could be a 12-15 touch per game guy. However, the Bengals really want to be a power running team with Benson. I think the most likely scenario is that Benson gets 18-20 carries per game and Scott gets 6-10. I think it would take Scott looking way better than Benson for half the season for that to change kind of like the T. Jones/J. Charles situation. But Benson's better than Jones and Scott isn't Charles.I did actually forget about Benson and a possible suspension....maybe Scott gets an audition for a few games...

 

[Native]

AJ Green 40 Yd TD

 

[Ministry of Pain]

bernard is just infinitely better than benson.

No, Scott is doing what a good COP back should do. Scott is a small back compared to Benson. I was surprised to learn that Scott is 27 already.

 

[thehornet]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

can he be a 12-15 per game halfback? or is the typical 2-4 in garbage situations all he can shoulder? i just dont know how anyone can watch the 2 over the last 3 seasons and not think scott is better.

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

 

[VikingFrog]

Any chance that the Panthers are down so much that Scam will be airing it out and we see the revival of Steve Smith if he stays healthy?

A number 1 WR on a bad team can be a positive, but I don't know if this is the case here. Does Steve Smith even have it anymore? Guy hasn't been healthy lately.

 

[cvnpoka]

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

his track record shows this is standard.

 

[thehornet]

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

his track record shows this is standard.

his track record is half a season's worth of carries with a 4.6 YPC. And he's 27 years old. Just sayin...

 

[cvnpoka]

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

his track record shows this is standard.

his track record is half a season's worth of carries with a 4.6 YPC. And he's 27 years old. Just sayin...

what are you saying? bc i really have no idea. seems my argument is that bernard is an effective back, likely better than benson, but isnt given a chance to who his full ability. what you are "just sayin..." seems to support that. since benson's ypc with cinci is lol 3.7.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

bernard is just infinitely better than benson.

no he isnt.

Bernard is better than Benson in alot of ways... Durability may not be one of them.Certainly a better ball player though..

 

[thehornet]

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

his track record shows this is standard.

his track record is half a season's worth of carries with a 4.6 YPC. And he's 27 years old. Just sayin...

what are you saying? bc i really have no idea. seems my argument is that bernard is an effective back, likely better than benson, but isnt given a chance to who his full ability. what you are "just sayin..." seems to support that. since benson's ypc with cinci is lol 3.7.

I'm saying he isn't better then benson and won't take over. Not really sure what you are saying. You acted like his track record has some amazing stats in there. He's just a change of pace back, sorry.

 

[thehornet]

bernard is just infinitely better than benson.

no he isnt.

Bernard is better than Benson in alot of ways... Durability may not be one of them.Certainly a better ball player though..

Yeah Bernard does some things better but he's not a power back who can carry 20+ a game. That's my point and that's why Benson is a starter and Bernard never will be on any team ever.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Frostee Rucker goes at Clausen's knees and no call. If that was James Harrison/Drew Brees that'd be a smooth 100K

 

[knowledge dropper]

Nice showing by Bengals tonight. D is going to be fine, This should shut up the 0-16 nonsense.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

Doesn't take 20 carries per game... Only 5 RB's averaged 20 or better last season, and plenty of RB's were fantasy relevant beyond that. There is room in that back field for both backs, regardless of which is starting and/or which gets the most carries. It's just plain stupid for Scott not to be in the mix more often..

 

[cvnpoka]

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

his track record shows this is standard.

his track record is half a season's worth of carries with a 4.6 YPC. And he's 27 years old. Just sayin...

what are you saying? bc i really have no idea. seems my argument is that bernard is an effective back, likely better than benson, but isnt given a chance to who his full ability. what you are "just sayin..." seems to support that. since benson's ypc with cinci is lol 3.7.

I'm saying he isn't better then benson and won't take over. Not really sure what you are saying. You acted like his track record has some amazing stats in there. He's just a change of pace back, sorry.

i didnt "act like his track record has some amazing stats." i just used it to refute the allegation that he is some preseason one game wonder.

 

[thehornet]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

Doesn't take 20 carries per game... Only 5 RB's averaged 20 or better last season, and plenty of RB's were fantasy relevant beyond that. There is room in that back field for both backs, regardless of which is starting and/or which gets the most carries. It's just plain stupid for Scott not to be in the mix more often..

OK nobody is disagreeing. Someone eatlier asked when bernard was taking over... Bernard is a nice weapon to have off the bench.

 

[cvnpoka]

Yeah Bernard does some things better but he's not a power back who can carry 20+ a game. That's my point and that's why Benson is a starter and Bernard never will be on any team ever.

if theres one thing a team should look for in a rb, its the ability to run into the line of scrimmage for minimal gain 20 times a game. 3.7 ypc, "just saying." mebbe i should look up how often benson runs for 10+, 20+, etc. im certain its ugly.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

can he be a 12-15 per game halfback? or is the typical 2-4 in garbage situations all he can shoulder? i just dont know how anyone can watch the 2 over the last 3 seasons and not think scott is better.

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

Yea, because every other time he touched the ball in the the past he just looked horrible...hint: (Sarcasm)..

 

[cvnpoka]

OK nobody is disagreeing. Bernard is a nice weapon.

i think the point is, marvin disagrees, as shown by his 3.7 apg last year.

 

[thehornet]

How long til Scott starts and takes over the carries? I say week 3.

As a Bengal homer, I can say with a good amount of confidence that won't happen unless Benson is injured.

right. but that doesnt mean its right.

He's faster and more explosive but he isn't going to take over carries. He's not a 20 carry per game halfback.

can he be a 12-15 per game halfback? or is the typical 2-4 in garbage situations all he can shoulder? i just dont know how anyone can watch the 2 over the last 3 seasons and not think scott is better.

can he be? I suppose. It's more likely he just a scatback having a good preseason game against a terrible defense.

Yea, because every other time he touched the ball in the the past he just looked horrible...hint: (Sarcasm)..

thanks for the hint. here's a fact: bernard scott just isnt that good. If he were, he'd play more.

 

[cvnpoka]

thanks for the hint. here's a fact: bernard scott just isnt that good. If he were, he'd play more.

i forgot that coaches are infallible in talent evaluation and allocation. in particular marvin lewis and bill bratkowski and jay gruden.