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Benson Starting week 1 (1 Viewer)
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Spike
Footballguy
Sept. 11: Jones goes for 16-36-0. Benson's line is 4-38-1.
Sept. 12: Lovie says he liked what he saw yesterday out of the "hard-nosed veteran" Jones, and indicates that it'll take more than that lackluster effort for him to lose the job.
Sept. 13: Jones comes up with a "mysterious" injury while getting out of bed.
Sept. 18: Benson gets his first start, at home vs. Detroit. 24-145-3. Comparisons to Walter Payton begin. Benson and his teammates plan to hit the studio to record a remake of The Super Bowl Shuffle. The Hall of Fame is in sight.
Sounds about right.
:Benson dynasty owner:
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I would suggest people quit thinking like Fantasy Owners and start trying to think in terms of real football. Let's observe some things...1. Thomas Jones was good last year and the Bears still lost a lot.2. Benson was drafted 4th overall and signed to a huge contract3. Ron Turner would prefer to run on the interior as much as possible.Why is it hard to envision Benson getting 15-20 carries between the tackles? Do you guys think the playbook for those plays is all that complicated? Benson could (a) suck in pass protection and (b) not know most of the playbook, and if he knows 10 different run calls, he could get the ball more than Jones, particularly if the Bears are leading and need to grind out the clock.It's easy for FF owners to kill on Benson because of his holdout and a love for T. Jones, but this isn't some come-lately rook that people are clinging to. He is the 2nd highest drafted RB 7 years (IIRC) and the 6th leading rusher in NCAA history. I think he'll get double-digit carries and be adequate, nothing special. But it will be enough that he's starting full time and getting 70% of the touches by week 4.COlin
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
1. Washington has a tough run defense. 2. Chicago is starting a rookie Qb.I dont see starting either one of these players in week 1.Chicago might be putting this story out there (and I am talking about the one I read from the blogger this morning) to give the Redskins somthing else to think about. Significant carries from Benson in this will suprise me and I do think will increase his risk of being injured because of lack of conditioning. The Redskins are going to blitz the crap out of the Bears regardless of which Rb is in the game.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
YEAH! THAt's IT! Yeah, Ron Dayne! :snicker snicker:(NOTHING about Cedric Benson reminds me of Ron Dayne.)
COlin
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I have to wonder if anyone that compares Cedric Benson to Ron Dayne has ever a) watched college football and b) watched either of these backs play.
I hate to keep bringing this up, because I got butchered for pointing it out last year:
CHI has a much better chance winning the football game by playing field position. If they can slog down the field getting a couple of first downs here & there & waiting for their opportunities as the D creates them, they'll be in games this year. That's the reason they won 3 games when they started A Thomas at RB and won, what was it, 1 game?, with T Jones starting at RB last year - even though Thomas only had 3 starts. A Thomas gives the 3-4 yds & a cloud of dust type of performance. T Jones gives the 12-15 yd jolt and then 3/4 -1 to 2 yd runs. They gain similar yards, but they are very, very different in the way they gain the yards.
The RB that is condusive for that kind of game is Benson. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Benson get a lot of carries, especially with a rookie QB starting. A pounding runner will take a huge amount of pressure off of Orton. And with the Bears' D & the 'Skins' lack of O, it wouldn't surprise me at the least that this be a very close low scoring game. The closer the game is (or if CHI gets a lead) the more likely we are to see more of Benson.
CHI has a much better chance winning the football game by playing field position. If they can slog down the field getting a couple of first downs here & there & waiting for their opportunities as the D creates them, they'll be in games this year. That's the reason they won 3 games when they started A Thomas at RB and won, what was it, 1 game?, with T Jones starting at RB last year - even though Thomas only had 3 starts. A Thomas gives the 3-4 yds & a cloud of dust type of performance. T Jones gives the 12-15 yd jolt and then 3/4 -1 to 2 yd runs. They gain similar yards, but they are very, very different in the way they gain the yards.
The RB that is condusive for that kind of game is Benson. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Benson get a lot of carries, especially with a rookie QB starting. A pounding runner will take a huge amount of pressure off of Orton. And with the Bears' D & the 'Skins' lack of O, it wouldn't surprise me at the least that this be a very close low scoring game. The closer the game is (or if CHI gets a lead) the more likely we are to see more of Benson.
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The reason Jones will get the bulk of the carries early this season has nothing to do with Jones running abilities, but rather his ability to block and catch the pass. With a rookie quarterback who needs all the help he can get in terms of a reliable blocker and a checkdown option the Bears would be stupid to put Benson in there.An earlier post indicated that the Bears need to play Benson since he represents the future of the squad and they're not going to win anyway. I would have agreed with this line of thinking until Ortin was named starting QB. At that moment, Jones (the journeyman) becomes very useful as a way to help Ortin achieve at least a small amount of success and confidence. Benson just made the decision easier by holding out and not learning blocking/routes.I have no doubt Benson will eventually win the starting job, but to expect that right away is unrealistic. I drafted Jones with confidence and will hold onto him 2-3 weeks at which point his trade value should be max and then ship him off.
redman
Footballguy
Perhaps even more importantly, there's NO WAY they start a rookie RB to help block for a rookie QB against a blitzing defense like Washington's in the first game of the season on the road. That would be idiotic. The NFL game and Gregg Williams' defense is going to be enough of a challenge for Orton without a rookie RB lining up wrong and missing blitz pick-ups.I'm sure we'll see Benson carry 5-7 times in obvious run situations, but that's all I'd expect for now.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Funny, but Benson was quoted in the Chicago Tribune as saying how he doesn't have to learn the whole playbook - he just needs to focus on the week by week gameplan! He says it won't be that hard (!).But nothing in today's paper about Benson starting. For now, that's bad information.
FWIW: how many times have we seen someone hold out of training camp only to suffer a serious injury and miss a good chunk of the season?i'm not predicting injuries, just saying that it seems to happen often. i'm in the camp that benson will get some carries but not enough to jeopardize the QB situation. i don't see him playing on passing downs or being required to pick up blitzes. jones starts, gets ~70% of the carries initially, while benson gets up to speed with the game and the playbook. then benson takes over, maybe after the bye.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I have to wonder if anyone that reads the statement above and sees it as a comparision and contrast of the two has ever mastered reading comprehension.Where someone is drafted and the number of yards they roll up in college isn't a guarantee of success in the NFL. And before you link the study showing a correlation between draft postion and success in the NFL, be sure to balance that with a link to Bear's winning skill position selections.
mr. furley
Footballguy
there's no way the Chargers trade for Philip Rivers, pay him all that money, and then sit him on the bench.there's just no way.Brees is a journeyman.
Gator Shawn
Footballguy
Did Lovie Smith kick TJ in the nuts too while he was at it? Sheesh, Jones has done nothing to deserve losing his job.
Pass some my way guys.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i'm not saying who i think will start one way or the other. just laughing at the people saying "the Bears didn't pay Benson all that money to sit on the bench".Alex Smith says 
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Brew,First, it's "comparison", not "comparision" and "position" not "postion." As someone still struggling to master reading comprehension, I can't be expected to understand what you're saying if you don't spell correctly.
Second, when you post ".... sounds like Ron Dayne" you're being disingenuous to then suggest you weren't trying to cast an unflattering light on Benson. We've both been at this too long to dance around the intent here.
As to the heart of the matter, I'll again suggest that Benson is the far more compelling pro prospect than Dayne for a litany of reasons. Vision, physical shape, versatility, speed, power, ability to make yards after contact. We've seen time and time again that Barry Alvarez's RBs can rack up the yards in his system and then be also rans in the pros (Dayne, Bennett, Davis) whereas those UT boys seem to do just fine (Ricky, Priest).
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
While Benson may not start week #1, assuming he stays healthy there is almost no way he isn't starting by week 3 or 4.It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about Thomas Jones, the Bears coaches obviously don't like him too much or they wouldn't have spent a premium pick on Benson.Anyone who thinks Jones is gonna hold onto the starting job for long is off their rocker.
GregStarling
Footballguy
That's a good point, Wood. Benson is much more like Ki-Jana Carter. About the same height, weight, and speed. Really the main difference is KJ was drafted higher. [/bensonhater]Brew,First, it's "comparison", not "comparision" and "position" not "postion." As someone still struggling to master reading comprehension, I can't be expected to understand what you're saying if you don't spell correctly.
Second, when you post ".... sounds like Ron Dayne" you're being disingenuous to then suggest you weren't trying to cast an unflattering light on Benson. We've both been at this too long to dance around the intent here.
As to the heart of the matter, I'll again suggest that Benson is the far more compelling pro prospect than Dayne for a litany of reasons. Vision, physical shape, versatility, speed, power, ability to make yards after contact. We've seen time and time again that Barry Alvarez's RBs can rack up the yards in his system and then be also rans in the pros (Dayne, Bennett, Davis) whereas those UT boys seem to do just fine (Ricky, Priest).
Donnybrook
Footballguy
From KFFL:Bears | More on Benson's StatusTue, 6 Sep 2005 06:31:37 -0700Updating previous reports, the Associated Press reports Chicago Bears rookie RB Cedric Benson is looking forward to the season opener against the Washington Redskins, Sunday, Sept 11. Benson said Monday, Sept. 5, he expects to play, but head coach Lovie Smith was noncommittal, saying "it's too early to tell" if Benson will play against the Redskins. "We have a long ways to go," Smith said. "We have time to get him in more game shape. Right now, he's missed a lot of time, but he's a lot better than he was." Though Benson learned the offense during June workouts, the past week has been like a last-minute study session. "I got it all down," Benson said. "I think just being off; it fades away a little bit. But it all comes back."
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Good find.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
My gut says that Benson will fail at the NFL level in equal amount to Dayne's failure. No stats, just gut. We'll see.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Most of those yards were in garbage time - not that they don't count, but I wouldn't plan on an exact repeat.It would be best for Benson to get minimal work this game. Let Jones take the beating, then start week 2 and put up the numbers. End of story.
This one was easy to see coming if you had your eyes open.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Lots of garbage time in those 13-10 games
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Not this week, but if as advertised Bears can't afford to keep him off the field. His talent will speak for itself. If he flops, TJ is there. Here's a little fire I haven't seen from mellow Ced.Rookie running back Cedric Benson doesn't intend to remain behind Thomas Jones and Adrian Peterson on the depth chart for very long. "I would give [Jones] a run for his money [by Week 2],' Benson told the Chicago Sun-Times. "I definitely want to be the starter. I have no desire to sit with the coaches on the sidelines. So I'm going to be working toward making that happen.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Yes I did.Would you care to share some of your brilliant insight?Brilliant insight there - did you actually see the game in question?Lots of garbage time in those 13-10 games
What is the definition of garbage time?
I would assume that it has something to do with the end of a game, say the 4th quarter, that is out of hand.
13 - 10 doesn't sound like a game that was out of hand.
But surely garbage time must have soemthing to do with the 4th quarter, right?
TJ in the 4th quarter
15 yards rushing on 7 attempts
1 catch for 14 yards
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Me ==Yes I did.Would you care to share some of your brilliant insight?Brilliant insight there - did you actually see the game in question?Lots of garbage time in those 13-10 games
What is the definition of garbage time?
I would assume that it has something to do with the end of a game, say the 4th quarter, that is out of hand.
13 - 10 doesn't sound like a game that was out of hand.
But surely garbage time must have soemthing to do with the 4th quarter, right?
TJ in the 4th quarter
15 yards rushing on 7 attempts
1 catch for 14 yards
Yep you're right he didn't do much the 4th quarter, he got a bunch of yards at the end of the 3rd. I guess that's not quite garbage time. My mistake. my recollection had been different prior to revisiting the game log. Their offense was so bad that game, the whole thing seemed like garbage time to me. Thanks for the reminder.Benson will still be the main running back from week 2 until he gets hurt.
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-X-
Footballguy
Benson won't start, but the Bears did release another player to get down to 53 (they are allowed to carry 54 for the time being due to Benson's delayed signing), which means Benson will be playing sooner rather than later. I don't think he will start game 2 unless he really outproduces Jones in game 1, but in any case, they will look to increase Benson's touches appreciably each week. I'm guessing that after week 4 (bye), he will be the starter.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
The start of the end happened that way for Jamal Lewis.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Wood,First, I understand your need for style over substance after reviewing your rankings.Brew,First, it's "comparison", not "comparision" and "position" not "postion." As someone still struggling to master reading comprehension, I can't be expected to understand what you're saying if you don't spell correctly.
Second, when you post ".... sounds like Ron Dayne" you're being disingenuous to then suggest you weren't trying to cast an unflattering light on Benson. We've both been at this too long to dance around the intent here.
As to the heart of the matter, I'll again suggest that Benson is the far more compelling pro prospect than Dayne for a litany of reasons. Vision, physical shape, versatility, speed, power, ability to make yards after contact. We've seen time and time again that Barry Alvarez's RBs can rack up the yards in his system and then be also rans in the pros (Dayne, Bennett, Davis) whereas those UT boys seem to do just fine (Ricky, Priest).
Second, when you clip the context of the original post..."It's easy for FF owners to kill on Benson because of his holdout and a love for T. Jones, but this isn't some come-lately rook that people are clinging to. He is the 2nd highest drafted RB 7 years (IIRC) and the 6th leading rusher in NCAA history."...you're being disingenuous. My sole point was point out that a pile of college yards and a high draft pick equal's automatic success. Again...those two references sound like Dayne or Williams or Carter.
As to the heart of the matter, I don't think Benson will start in week one despite the pedigree...which I find irrelevant to the discussion.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Ron Dayne was hardly a high draft pick, IIRC.When looking at RBs selected in the top 10 of recent, there are numerous successess (Edge, Ricky, Lt2, etc.) and not nearly as many failures (Carter, Enis) unless i am forgetting some people.COlin
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