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'nbajam said:
introduces me to another vehicle for my gambling addiction.
Have fun but be aware daily fantasy sites carry very heavy juice.You simply will not beat this over the long term.
so say for every $5 you bet they take 50 cents automatically or something?
You're exactly right! Per FanDuel's website, they take out 10% of the league fees.This vig is not a big deal if you're talking a 4 month season. Day in and day out, it will eat you up. House vig for the great game of roulette? 5.26%So you're gambling on a game that's nearly twice as bad as roulette.
So by this logic, a poker tournament that takes 10% out of the prize pool isn't beatable? I don't know wtf house vig on a game of roulette has to do with anything.
Right, poker is a far more relevant example. I think Larry's a little confused. Roulette's a bad idea because your odds of winning any bet are strictly less than the payout. For example, if you bet on black, you double your money if you win, but your odds of winning a bet on black are less than 1/2 (that's where the 5.26% house edge comes in). There's nothing you can do to change that, so over the long term it is a strictly losing proposition.In games like Fanduel and poker, on the other hand, you're not competing against the house. You're competing against other players. The house takes a cut of the pot for hosting the game, but your odds of winning aren't determined by the house. It's quite possible that you're just a better poker player than the other people at your table, and can therefore win constantly despite the house taking a cut. I don't have experience with Fanduel but it seems the idea is the same, you're just playing against other people, you're not playing a game Fanduel designed with odds in their favor. If you're actually more skilled at putting together fantasy teams than other players, you can consistently win money even though Fanduel is taking money out of the pot.
 
In games like Fanduel and poker, on the other hand, you're not competing against the house. You're competing against other players. The house takes a cut of the pot for hosting the game, but your odds of winning aren't determined by the house. It's quite possible that you're just a better poker player than the other people at your table, and can therefore win constantly despite the house taking a cut. I don't have experience with Fanduel but it seems the idea is the same, you're just playing against other people, you're not playing a game Fanduel designed with odds in their favor. If you're actually more skilled at putting together fantasy teams than other players, you can consistently win money even though Fanduel is taking money out of the pot.
This is why I used poker as my original example. Poker "experts" such as Phil Hellmuth have stated it's nearly impossible to beat a $3/$6 limit game with a $4 rake over the long term. I'm sure we can agree Phil is much more skilled at poker than most of his opponents. And yet he can't beat this type of game?Have fun with FanDuel. Just be aware if you are gambling on this daily the rake will eventually eat you up. You would do better to bet a football game directly every day. There you're paying 11 to win 10 (only 4.5% vig)
 
Still haven't received the email about my free subscription. Signed up Tuesday. Haven't had time to read the entire thread, So I apologize if this has been covered

Gracias

 
I'm perplexed. For those that do take advantage of the offer it is a huge deal! For those that don't, why are you complaining? There has to be better ways to spend your time?!

It's FF season folks. Lighten up! :football:

 
'Kleck said:
Still haven't received the email about my free subscription. Signed up Tuesday. Haven't had time to read the entire thread, So I apologize if this has been covered Gracias
I'm having the same issue. Signed up on Tuesday as well.
Same here. It's been a huge mess. Should have passed on the deal.
I'm quite confident Joe and Dave will resolve this. It's all good.(though I would love the premium content for a couple deals I'm working on) Peace
 
Hey Folks,

You should be receiving an email from Footballguys within 48 hours of signing up. I've talked to a few folks today via email that said they hadn't received the email and they actually had received it but it had gone to their spam folder.

If you haven't received a confirmation within 48 hours, please shoot an email to our Clayton Gray at gray@footballguys.com Thanks.

J

 
I have looked at the e-mail address associated with your message board name and then searched for the e-mail address in the subscriber database.

I have just e-mailed the following:

The Captain, Kleck

Please let me know at gray@footballguys.com if you did not receive it or if there is an issue logging in.

I did not find the following e-mail addresses in the subscriber database:

wakelawyer, Buck Stop

This is likely because you used a different e-mail address to sign up with. Please let me know at gray@footballguys.com which e-mail you used to sign up.

If anyone else that is having an issue or hasn't received confirmation, please let me know at gray@footballguys.com. I will be in and out throughout the day, so it might be a little while before I reply. I will reply though.

 
guys I got my info and have premium content now. For those waiting, I'd go ahead and jump in, its clearly a great deal. :thumbup:

 
'Clayton Gray said:
I have looked at the e-mail address associated with your message board name and then searched for the e-mail address in the subscriber database.I have just e-mailed the following:The Captain, KleckPlease let me know at gray@footballguys.com if you did not receive it or if there is an issue logging in.I did not find the following e-mail addresses in the subscriber database:wakelawyer, Buck StopThis is likely because you used a different e-mail address to sign up with. Please let me know at gray@footballguys.com which e-mail you used to sign up.If anyone else that is having an issue or hasn't received confirmation, please let me know at gray@footballguys.com. I will be in and out throughout the day, so it might be a little while before I reply. I will reply though.
Thanks Clayton. I'm in!!!
 
Hmmm.... 44 hours in, no email yet, not even in the spam folder. 4 hours for Clayton to send it. We'll see...

 
'Clayton Gray said:
I have looked at the e-mail address associated with your message board name and then searched for the e-mail address in the subscriber database.I have just e-mailed the following:The Captain, KleckPlease let me know at gray@footballguys.com if you did not receive it or if there is an issue logging in.I did not find the following e-mail addresses in the subscriber database:wakelawyer, Buck StopThis is likely because you used a different e-mail address to sign up with. Please let me know at gray@footballguys.com which e-mail you used to sign up.If anyone else that is having an issue or hasn't received confirmation, please let me know at gray@footballguys.com. I will be in and out throughout the day, so it might be a little while before I reply. I will reply though.
Just sent you an email, Clayton. I have not received any emails, spam or otherwise, regarding this promotion since I signed up August 1st.
 
'Clayton Gray said:
I have looked at the e-mail address associated with your message board name and then searched for the e-mail address in the subscriber database.I have just e-mailed the following:The Captain, KleckPlease let me know at gray@footballguys.com if you did not receive it or if there is an issue logging in.I did not find the following e-mail addresses in the subscriber database:wakelawyer, Buck StopThis is likely because you used a different e-mail address to sign up with. Please let me know at gray@footballguys.com which e-mail you used to sign up.If anyone else that is having an issue or hasn't received confirmation, please let me know at gray@footballguys.com. I will be in and out throughout the day, so it might be a little while before I reply. I will reply though.
Just sent you an email, Clayton. I have not received any emails, spam or otherwise, regarding this promotion since I signed up August 1st.
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'Clayton Gray said:
I have looked at the e-mail address associated with your message board name and then searched for the e-mail address in the subscriber database.I have just e-mailed the following:The Captain, KleckPlease let me know at gray@footballguys.com if you did not receive it or if there is an issue logging in.I did not find the following e-mail addresses in the subscriber database:wakelawyer, Buck StopThis is likely because you used a different e-mail address to sign up with. Please let me know at gray@footballguys.com which e-mail you used to sign up.If anyone else that is having an issue or hasn't received confirmation, please let me know at gray@footballguys.com. I will be in and out throughout the day, so it might be a little while before I reply. I will reply though.
Just sent you an email, Clayton. I have not received any emails, spam or otherwise, regarding this promotion since I signed up August 1st.
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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Great work here. :)
 
In games like Fanduel and poker, on the other hand, you're not competing against the house. You're competing against other players. The house takes a cut of the pot for hosting the game, but your odds of winning aren't determined by the house. It's quite possible that you're just a better poker player than the other people at your table, and can therefore win constantly despite the house taking a cut. I don't have experience with Fanduel but it seems the idea is the same, you're just playing against other people, you're not playing a game Fanduel designed with odds in their favor. If you're actually more skilled at putting together fantasy teams than other players, you can consistently win money even though Fanduel is taking money out of the pot.
This is why I used poker as my original example. Poker "experts" such as Phil Hellmuth have stated it's nearly impossible to beat a $3/$6 limit game with a $4 rake over the long term. I'm sure we can agree Phil is much more skilled at poker than most of his opponents. And yet he can't beat this type of game?Have fun with FanDuel. Just be aware if you are gambling on this daily the rake will eventually eat you up. You would do better to bet a football game directly every day. There you're paying 11 to win 10 (only 4.5% vig)
I don't know the context of Hellmuth's comment, and the betting structure in poker is sufficiently complicated that I'm not going to weigh in on his opinion. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about, but I'm not sure I see how it supports your point. For the record, I don't play Fanduel (or poker, or roulette, or any other form of gambling other than my local fantasy league). My only point was that in certain games (like roulette, which you referenced), your probability of winning is fixed and the payouts are fixed against you. That's the function of the rake in such a game, and because of this, you will always have a losing expectation in the long run. You're "competing" against a math problem that you can't beat.

In games like Fanduel, and poker, the rake serves the purpose of making money for the entity hosting the game, but your probability of winning is not fixed. You're not competing against a table of predetermined odds, you're competing against other humans with varying levels of ability. To beat Fanduel's 10% rake, you need to win more than 52.6% of the time. If you're just flipping a coin, then that's a losing proposition because your probability of winning a coin flip is fixed at 50%. But since Fanduel, like poker, presumably involves some amount of skill in addition to luck, there's no reason to believe some people can't reliably profit at it if they're just better than others at the game.

 
Comparing this deal to roulette? Wow.

Let me break this down to easier terms so that people on the fence realize how great an offer this is.

Two people do this promotion and pay $25 to FanDuel.

They play each other one time in a head to head FanDuel contest. One wins $45 and the other loses.

So looking at these two people:

Player 1 has deposited $25, has $45 in his FanDuel account (that he can withdraw fully at anytime) and has a FBG Subscription ($28.95 value).

Player 2 has deposited $25, has $0 left at FanDuel and has a FBG Subscription.

Player 1 got a free FBG subscription + $20 cash (+$48.95)

Player 2 paid $25 for his FBG subscription (saved $3.95 on his FBG subscription)

Both players have satisfied their requirement for this deal (to have wagered $25 with FanDuel before withdrawing).

With the 10% rake, a player's $25 deposit has an expected value of $22.50. In other words if a player entered 5 (Five player tourneys) at $5 each, he would be expected to win 1 of those paying $22.50. So on average, a new player who deposits $25 with this promotion should have $22.50 in his account after wagering the required $25 (That can be seen in the 1st example too where one player had $45 and the other $0). A player deposited $25 and now has on average $22.50 + a FBG subscription (making the subscription cost just $2.50 on average).

You can color me surprised regarding the hate by some for this offer in this thread. We have shown you how to get a FBG subscription for essentially no money. And we have done it by partnering with the best daily game operator in the business (FanDuel). We also have pledged myself, Jeff Pasquino and Heath Cummings to providing tips / strategies on beating this game every week of the season.

 
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Dodds, it seems pretty clear to me that the reason some people are upset/annoyed is because this wasn't what they expected out of "huge announcement", specifically as it relates to FBG.

I also think a lot of people here likely don't care very much about getting their subscription for no money. For them, the $29 is a light expense for the content they are getting. The intrigue came in what else would they now be getting for their money that would elicit such excitement from the staff.

 
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Dodds, it seems pretty clear to me that the reason some people are upset/annoyed is because this wasn't what they expected out of "huge announcement", specifically as it relates to FBG.

I also think a lot of people here likely don't care very much about getting their subscription for no money. For them, the $29 is a light expense for the content they are getting. The intrigue came in what else would they now be getting for their money that would elicit such excitement from the staff.
I haven't read the thread and wasn't around while this was being hyped, but I can kind of understand if people were anticipating a ***BIG ANNOUNCEMENT*** and were disappointed that this was all it was.But regardless of whether or not $29 is a light expense for the subscription, the worst-case scenario here is that you get a $4 discount. That's the worst case scenario. Sure, it's not something to be excited about, but not something to be pissed off about either. No matter what happens you basically pocket a free $4 with an opportunity for it to actually be a lot more than that. It's a no-brainer deal if you were going to subscribe to FBG anyway. I did it and promptly lost my $25 on some ####### baseball game, but it was still a good deal. :shrug:

 
Dodds, it seems pretty clear to me that the reason some people are upset/annoyed is because this wasn't what they expected out of "huge announcement", specifically as it relates to FBG.

I also think a lot of people here likely don't care very much about getting their subscription for no money. For them, the $29 is a light expense for the content they are getting. The intrigue came in what else would they now be getting for their money that would elicit such excitement from the staff.
I haven't read the thread and wasn't around while this was being hyped, but I can kind of understand if people were anticipating a ***BIG ANNOUNCEMENT*** and were disappointed that this was all it was.But regardless of whether or not $29 is a light expense for the subscription, the worst-case scenario here is that you get a $4 discount. That's the worst case scenario. Sure, it's not something to be excited about, but not something to be pissed off about either. No matter what happens you basically pocket a free $4 with an opportunity for it to actually be a lot more than that. It's a no-brainer deal if you were going to subscribe to FBG anyway. I did it and promptly lost my $25 on some ####### baseball game, but it was still a good deal. :shrug:
Did you quit once you lost? The worst case scenario is you get a $4 discount on your subscription, lose your FanDuel money, plunk down more money now that you've gotten a taste and think you'll do better, lose that, reload, etc.
 
If i were an existing customer, I'd be psyched about the 10000 new donks coming in. :mansion:
True dat. Though it isn't as lucrative as the :mansion: bonanza. Those were the days.
You're exactly right! Per FanDuel's website, they take out 10% of the league fees.This vig is not a big deal if you're talking a 4 month season. Day in and day out, it will eat you up. House vig for the great game of roulette? 5.26%So you're gambling on a game that's nearly twice as bad as roulette.
As with all fixed odds games they way to minimize the effect of the vig is to bet big and infrequently. In this case variance is your friend.
 
Your payment was processed successfully.Congratulations you've qualified for your Footballguys Insider subscription.You'll receive an email from Footballguys with details of your subscription within 48hrs.* You must play in at least $25 worth of contests before you can withdraw.Withdrawal before then means your subscription to Footballguys Insider will be revoked.As this is your first deposit you got a free bonus from us.
:thumbup: this is really a GREAT deal . I know you can't please everyone but this is a nice benny .I played FD free rolls last year every week & only netted a +16 but it was a lot of fun. On draftstreet I netted+440 bankrolled from free rolls so you can do ok.
 
Just signed up for FanDuel and waiting on my subscription email to come. Looking forward to the membership more than fanduel...

 
Just a final confirmation: if I did the freerolls last year, and I have a subscription here, but have never deposited money with FanDuel...the following will happen:

1. I deposit $25

2. They add $10 to it for me (sweet)

3. I get a year added to my subscription.

But then I have to play with $25 worth of games on FanDuel before withdrawing? Is that correct? I'm just kind of overly cautious with Internet + money.

 
Just a final confirmation: if I did the freerolls last year, and I have a subscription here, but have never deposited money with FanDuel...the following will happen:1. I deposit $252. They add $10 to it for me (sweet)3. I get a year added to my subscription.But then I have to play with $25 worth of games on FanDuel before withdrawing? Is that correct? I'm just kind of overly cautious with Internet + money.
1-yes2-yes...but you have to play $25 first & then this gets added3-yesI played freerolls all last year with o deposits and this transaction went smoothly for me
 
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Just a final confirmation: if I did the freerolls last year, and I have a subscription here, but have never deposited money with FanDuel...the following will happen:

1. I deposit $25

2. They add $10 to it for me (sweet)

3. I get a year added to my subscription.

But then I have to play with $25 worth of games on FanDuel before withdrawing? Is that correct? I'm just kind of overly cautious with Internet + money.
1-yes2-yes...but you have to play $25 first & then this gets added

3-yes

I played freerolls all last year with o deposits and this transaction went smoothly for me
The $10 bonus gets added incrementally as you play. I'm an FD regular and have joined $12 worth of leagues since adding the $25 and a tic under $5 of the bonus is in my account. It was the first time I deposited funds despite having a positive balance from last years free roll fun. Btw DD, I haven't read this thread beyond a quick scan and whatever the whining is I avoided it, BUT this is a great offer. Many thanks to you and Joe for putting this together. Fan Duel is a blast. Being an FBG subscriber also saved me $10 at MyFantasyLeague, so this was pretty much like being offered money with an FBG subscription and being forced to have more fun. You just forgot to add free beer.

There's definite strategies worth working through at Fan Duel and I trust you, Jeff and Heath will figure things out, but for the newbs here, let me say avoiding the 2000 entry $1 contests with big payouts is the first step to building your account. Okay fine, maybe dabble with $1 a week lotto style, but focus on the smaller contests. Given the depth of information provided with a subscription here, be happy to slowly build your account. It isn't sexy but it makes the most sense, can be a ton of fun, and gives you the best chance to not feel the need to add more funds because you want to try again. ;)

I'll offer one more thing most of you who look closely will see soon enough. They have leagues called 50/50s. The payout is kind of funny. In a 20 teamer, the top ten finishers take the bottom ten's money. 1st place wins the same as tenth place. So a $10 20 teamer pays out like this:

1st - $18.00

2nd - $18.00

3rd - $18.00

4th - $18.00

5th - $18.00

6th - $18.00

7th - $18.00

8th - $18.00

9th - $18.00

10th - $18.00

Yep, you risk ten to win 8, but how hard is it to finish top 10? I didn't keep track last year but I'd guess I was top half 80 percent of the time. $5 50 team 50/50s pay $9 to the top 25. I like playing against 50 better than playing against 20 because the bigger league offers more chances for knuckleheads to join, thus making the top half easier. The stakes can go up if this all seems like nickel and dimes. I won $90 (actually $40) in a handful of $50 50/50s at the end of last season.

My advice is pay attention to your payouts, understand your risk/reward/probabilities, take advantage of the insider information here and build conservatively. I've loved these type of contests since USA Today ran one back in the late 80s early 90s. Picking a fresh lineup from all players is a fun way to keep FF fresh week to week.

Good luck everyone. :banned:

 
The $10 bonus gets added incrementally as you play. I'm an FD regular and have joined $12 worth of leagues since adding the $25 and a tic under $5 of the bonus is in my account. It was the first time I deposited funds despite having a positive balance from last years free roll fun.

Btw DD, I haven't read this thread beyond a quick scan and whatever the whining is I avoided it, BUT this is a great offer. Many thanks to you and Joe for putting this together. Fan Duel is a blast. Being an FBG subscriber also saved me $10 at MyFantasyLeague, so this was pretty much like being offered money with an FBG subscription and being forced to have more fun. You just forgot to add free beer.

There's definite strategies worth working through at Fan Duel and I trust you, Jeff and Heath will figure things out, but for the newbs here, let me say avoiding the 2000 entry $1 contests with big payouts is the first step to building your account. Okay fine, maybe dabble with $1 a week lotto style, but focus on the smaller contests. Given the depth of information provided with a subscription here, be happy to slowly build your account. It isn't sexy but it makes the most sense, can be a ton of fun, and gives you the best chance to not feel the need to add more funds because you want to try again. ;)

I'll offer one more thing most of you who look closely will see soon enough. They have leagues called 50/50s. The payout is kind of funny. In a 20 teamer, the top ten finishers take the bottom ten's money. 1st place wins the same as tenth place. So a $10 20 teamer pays out like this:

1st - $18.00

2nd - $18.00

3rd - $18.00

4th - $18.00

5th - $18.00

6th - $18.00

7th - $18.00

8th - $18.00

9th - $18.00

10th - $18.00

Yep, you risk ten to win 8, but how hard is it to finish top 10? I didn't keep track last year but I'd guess I was top half 80 percent of the time. $5 50 team 50/50s pay $9 to the top 25. I like playing against 50 better than playing against 20 because the bigger league offers more chances for knuckleheads to join, thus making the top half easier. The stakes can go up if this all seems like nickel and dimes. I won $90 (actually $40) in a handful of $50 50/50s at the end of last season.

My advice is pay attention to your payouts, understand your risk/reward/probabilities, take advantage of the insider information here and build conservatively. I've loved these type of contests since USA Today ran one back in the late 80s early 90s. Picking a fresh lineup from all players is a fun way to keep FF fresh week to week.

Good luck everyone. :banned:
:goodposting: There is definitely different strategies for daily FF . The big lotto games are just that , long odds & big payoff. They are ok to dabble once in a while but I tend to shy away.I agree about the 50/50s , helps cut down on the bad luck factor of 1on1's.

 
Thanks FBG for the prompt response. Within minutes of sending an e-mail I was credited with the one year subscription.

 
that website is pretty fun

and its not even blocked by the work firewall

which might not be a good thing b/c i can see myself spending alot on there

 
Hello,

I signed up with fanduel and received a email from Clayton but have not received a email from footballguys. how much later deos that usually come?

i tried the two links in his email but both tell me login error

 
ok just deposited. I had a free account last year when FBG was doing contests but never deposited anything. Hope it works :thumbup:

 
Dodds, it seems pretty clear to me that the reason some people are upset/annoyed is because this wasn't what they expected out of "huge announcement", specifically as it relates to FBG.

I also think a lot of people here likely don't care very much about getting their subscription for no money. For them, the $29 is a light expense for the content they are getting. The intrigue came in what else would they now be getting for their money that would elicit such excitement from the staff.
I haven't read the thread and wasn't around while this was being hyped, but I can kind of understand if people were anticipating a ***BIG ANNOUNCEMENT*** and were disappointed that this was all it was.But regardless of whether or not $29 is a light expense for the subscription, the worst-case scenario here is that you get a $4 discount. That's the worst case scenario. Sure, it's not something to be excited about, but not something to be pissed off about either. No matter what happens you basically pocket a free $4 with an opportunity for it to actually be a lot more than that. It's a no-brainer deal if you were going to subscribe to FBG anyway. I did it and promptly lost my $25 on some ####### baseball game, but it was still a good deal. :shrug:
Did you quit once you lost? The worst case scenario is you get a $4 discount on your subscription, lose your FanDuel money, plunk down more money now that you've gotten a taste and think you'll do better, lose that, reload, etc.
actually, the worse case scenario is you decide not to play fanduel and instead walk outside and get hit by a meteor.come on, your ridiculous. if you have a gambling problem, fanduel isn't going to be what pushes you over the edge. also, you should stay away from ff all together if you have a gambling problem.

 
Just deposited. Wondering if at all possible to get my subscription tomorrow... Didn't realize I had a draft coming up this weekend already.

Thanks FBGs.

 
'jamil said:
Just deposited. Wondering if at all possible to get my subscription tomorrow... Didn't realize I had a draft coming up this weekend already.Thanks FBGs.
I'm in the same boat. Deposited last night, didnt know there was a 48 hour delay. And I've got a draft that's been moved up to tonight. Don't know if there's anyone in particular I can contact to help me out.
 
'jamil said:
Just deposited. Wondering if at all possible to get my subscription tomorrow... Didn't realize I had a draft coming up this weekend already.Thanks FBGs.
I'm in the same boat. Deposited last night, didnt know there was a 48 hour delay. And I've got a draft that's been moved up to tonight. Don't know if there's anyone in particular I can contact to help me out.
Just got my sub. Shouldnt be too much longer for yours.
 
Just a final confirmation: if I did the freerolls last year, and I have a subscription here, but have never deposited money with FanDuel...the following will happen:1. I deposit $252. They add $10 to it for me (sweet)3. I get a year added to my subscription.But then I have to play with $25 worth of games on FanDuel before withdrawing? Is that correct? I'm just kind of overly cautious with Internet + money.
I also played freerolls last year, have an existing Fan Duel account and FBG subscription, but never previously deposited at Fan Duel. When I try to sign up using the FBG emailed link for the promotion, the site tells me my email address is already in use (obviously). Am I supposed to just make a regular Fan Duel deposit (not using the FBG promo code or link) to receive the bonus and FBG subscription?Thanks.
 
I signed up when it was first announced and still havn't got an email from footballguys. i wouldnt post here but i already emailed and didnt get a response. any help would be great, thanks.

 

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