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Big Ben and his 22.6 QB Rating? (1 Viewer)
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SYMPHONY X
Footballguy
Yeah, and I suppose John Elway is over-rated in your mind too, since he has the second-lowest rating of the winning QB's in superbowls.I didn't say he was bad, I said he is over rated. There is a difference. homer...Yeah, because his 98.6 passer rating in the regular season and 124.8 rating in the 3 playoff games wasn't at all impressive.
SYMPHONY X
Footballguy
AWESOME post Joe. I believe you made the best point in this whole thread. I do remember seeing Ben on the sidelines early in the game clutching his throwing hand, like it had been re-injured or something. I was thinking to myself "oh my god, here comes Batch." I'm not sure if he re-injured it, but if he did, it sure would go a heck of a long way in explaining how he went from being on-fire with a 124.8 QB rating in the three games it took to get to the Superbowl, to playing well below par in the SB.
But he still made enough big plays when it counted to get his team the win...SWEET!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree with everything except for the deep pass to Ward near the goal. That was a great play on Ben's part and considering that he had to throw it across the field while keeping his head on a swivel to make sure he wasn't going to get nailed from behind and staying behind the line of scrimmage, it was a VERY tough throw that not too many other QBs could make.
You're letting that homerism color your judgement now there gb...
It was 37 yards (granted on an angle) but it was a f-l-o-a-t-e-r. I think most QBs in the league make that pass. I'd say most QBs make throw that pass a lot better. Roethlisberger normally throws that pass a lot better.He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would make any big deal about it but again, I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear he injured the hand early in the game.
He absolutely had no zip on the ball.
J
jurb26
Footballguy
Huh? 37 yds, from outside the numbers to across the field and across the other hash while running across you're body trying to look down field and also avoid getting you're head taken off. Just spotting a guy in that situation 37 yds away and 25 yds to the opposite side is an amazing feet. Then having the physical ability to chuck it that far with out being able to fully set you're feet and square you're shoulders in the proper direction. I'm sorry but no, I don't think "most" QBs make that throw by any stretch of the imagination. As a matter of fact if most do, as a small exorcise in futility. How many can you name off the top of you're head that you have actually SEEN make a throw like that?You're letting that homerism color your judgement now there gb...
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would make any big deal about it but again, I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear he injured the hand early in the game.
He absolutely had no zip on the ball.
J
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Huh? 37 yds, from outside the numbers to across the field and across the other hash while running across you're body trying to look down field and also avoid getting you're head taken off. Just spotting a guy in that situation 37 yds away and 25 yds to the opposite side is an amazing feet. Then having the physical ability to chuck it that far with out being able to fully set you're feet and square you're shoulders in the proper direction. I'm sorry but no, I don't think "most" QBs make that throw by any stretch of the imagination. As a matter of fact if most do, as a small exorcise in futility. How many can you name off the top of you're head that you have actually SEEN make a throw like that?You're letting that homerism color your judgement now there gb...
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would make any big deal about it but again, I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear he injured the hand early in the game.
He absolutely had no zip on the ball.
J
Your joking. Every QB in the league could have made that throw. Most QB's in college could make that throw. There's a couple kids in the local PeeWee league that could have made that throw with a bit more zip on the ball. There was really nothing that impressive about it. Seattle rushed 3 players (bad mistake) and Big Ben had all day to spot someone. The ball didn't even have any zip on it. This is hte first time I've heard someone pimping that play as being great.
jurb26
Footballguy
Your joking. Every QB in the league could have made that throw. Most QB's in college could make that throw. There's a couple kids in the local PeeWee league that could have made that throw with a bit more zip on the ball. There was really nothing that impressive about it. Seattle rushed 3 players (bad mistake) and Big Ben had all day to spot someone. The ball didn't even have any zip on it. This is hte first time I've heard someone pimping that play as being great.
oh the bitterness kills me. Never seen anyone say that was a nice play huh? Well taken directly from the game thread its self:
These are both Steeler, Seahawk and impartial fans.That . . . was . . . awesome!
(Still rooting for the seahawks though)
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Your joking. Every QB in the league could have made that throw. Most QB's in college could make that throw. There's a couple kids in the local PeeWee league that could have made that throw with a bit more zip on the ball. There was really nothing that impressive about it. Seattle rushed 3 players (bad mistake) and Big Ben had all day to spot someone. The ball didn't even have any zip on it. This is hte first time I've heard someone pimping that play as being great.These are both Steeler, Seahawk and impartial fans.
(Still rooting for the seahawks though)
SEATTLE ONLY RUSHED 3 PEOPLE ON THAT PLAY. Ben would have had to run into a linemen to not escape that rush. The play was decent, but every QB in the league could have made it. Morino could have escaped that rush.
jurb26
Footballguy
Then I'm sure you can list several occasions in which you have seen a QB make a play and throw like that simply off the top of you're head then. I mean seeing how easy and common it is and all....
SEATTLE ONLY RUSHED 3 PEOPLE ON THAT PLAY. Ben would have had to run into a linemen to not escape that rush. The play was decent, but every QB in the league could have made it. Morino could have escaped that rush.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Actually I can't remember seeing any QB's make a play like that because it is so pedestrian. Why would I remember a play like that? Basically a QB rolls left and throws a lolipop downfield to an open reciever. Probably around a 45 yard pass that went for 35 because it was across the field. What's so amazing in your eyes. The amazing thing to me was that a pass that hung up in the air for an eternity wasn't picked off. Ward must have been big-time open when Ben first spotted him. What amazes me on that play is that Seattle only rushed 3 guys on 3rd and long.Then I'm sure you can list several occasions in which you have seen a QB make a play and throw like that simply off the top of you're head then. I mean seeing how easy and common it is and all....
SEATTLE ONLY RUSHED 3 PEOPLE ON THAT PLAY. Ben would have had to run into a linemen to not escape that rush. The play was decent, but every QB in the league could have made it. Morino could have escaped that rush.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
um yeah mm'kay Chaz
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
It should? You can't compare the two. Brady is, by far, the better QB. True, Big Ben, has a terrific won-loss percentage but that is more because of the system he plays in and not because of his superior abilities as a QB. He is a great leader, usually doesn't make many mistakes but to even mention him in the same breath as a Brady is ridiculous.Do you think this is going to stop them from comparing him to Brady
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
2nd best?? Please tell me that you've been drinking! He was the 2nd best ..... on the field Sunday!
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Wow, Elway had quite a few turdsicle poorformances in the Super Bowl eh?
Only if the same officials are involved as they were with the last 4 games...
I doubt they even make the playoffs next year, I'd even bet on that!Big Ben? Big Joke maybe.... He "might" be #8 or so, but not even close to the top 3 QB's, not in this NFL!You guys kill me, it's like half of you, or less, watched the same game as the rest of the 90 MIL +/- others...
As many of you can probably determine from my posts over the last month or so, I'm not here to be politicaly correct, or keep the peace, I call em like I see em, like it or not. Most of you can't handle a little "in your face, this is fact" mentality... Too bad!
C
CrossEyed
Guest
Oh, so now there were bad calls in all 4 games that allowed the Steelers to win, were there?Only if the same officials are involved as they were with the last 4 games...
That's just foolishness.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
The hate on this board for the Black & Gold kills me, you guys are SOOOOOO BITTER they won, it was a heads up play by a rookie, not the greatest pass ever, but it did get the job done. The Steelers won in spite of Ben's play, they are a complete team that made NFL history, stop hating...
P.S. Ben made some plays when he had too, he didn't completely suck, did you see the refs blocking down field on FWP's TD run????
SCOREBOARD
P.S. Ben made some plays when he had too, he didn't completely suck, did you see the refs blocking down field on FWP's TD run????
SCOREBOARD
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Bump - the Juggernaut is onto something here, and I'll explain in the next post.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Tooth I'm a Steeler fan but I'm actually starting to like you. Your senseless but entertaining arguments are starting to grow on me. Keep them coming......Only if the same officials are involved as they were with the last 4 games...
You guys kill me, it's like half of you, or less, watched the same game as the rest of the 90 MIL +/- others...
As many of you can probably determine from my posts over the last month or so, I'm not here to be politicaly correct, or keep the peace, I call em like I see em, like it or not. Most of you can't handle a little "in your face, this is fact" mentality... Too bad!
Thanks tooth,That's cool and thanks for being a part of the board. Just to make sure you're clear on what we have here though - there's a fine line between being a tool and being in your face. We'd like you to stick around. So stay pretty well within the non tool side of that line.
TIA.
J
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
all you want, but he saw this before game time and nailed it.
Agreed. He's a different kind of QB. A lot more Aikman than Brady. But that wins. And winning is what it's all about.J
Hi Juggernaut,Actually, I'd think that would hurt Hasselbeck a lot more. Roethlisberger with the glove shouldn't have been as affected. If you've ever picked up a football with one of those gloves on, you know what I mean. They are very tacky. I'm surprised more QBs don't wear the glove. Takes that issue off the table.
J
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C
CrossEyed
Guest
Yeah, because they aren't making enough money as it is. Why do they do this? Why would they not be most interested in the quality of the play on the field. I'm sure this affects both QBs. Bonehead move by the NFL if you ask me. And not just because of Ben.I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
Hi EG,I disagree with Clayton's reasoning there as I think the glove would help not hurt with a slippery football.I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
But I do agree for sure they should take a look at:
#1. Not having the huge (and slick) logo on the side of the football
#2. Reconsider using 100 footballs just to get the "game played" footballs out to sponsors and folks that pay the $$$.
They both seem to be affecting the game and especially #2 is affecting the game in a negative way.
J
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I don't know that the glove did/didn't have anything to do with it, but he observed that the new balls with the slick logo were giving Roethlisberger all kinds of trouble. Personally, in my past experience as a QB, I found it a LOT easier to get a grip on a slick ball (playing in the snow will do that) WITHOUT a glove, rather than with it, but I also likely didn't have the quality of gloves NFL QBs have available to them. In any event, it was most likely a grip problem that caused him to have a lot less zip on his passes than he usually does, not an injury.You're 100% right that they seem to be negatively affecting the game, and Riggins and Schein took the NFL to task for this extensively.Hi EG,I disagree with Clayton's reasoning there as I think the glove would help not hurt with a slippery football.I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
But I do agree for sure they should take a look at:
#1. Not having the huge (and slick) logo on the side of the football
#2. Reconsider using 100 footballs just to get the "game played" footballs out to sponsors and folks that pay the $$$.
They both seem to be affecting the game and especially #2 is affecting the game in a negative way.
J
That's cool. You should try one of these new gloves. I picked up a pair the other day and was amazed. I have pretty normal sized hands (can just barely palm a NBA basketball) and I couldn't believe how much they helped. After trying a pair, it's easy to see why virtually every player wears a pair now. Unbelievable grip on the football. I almost wished I hadn't tried them on as it takes a tremendous amount of luster off the goofy one handed catches you see the WRs making.I don't know that the glove did/didn't have anything to do with it, but he observed that the new balls with the slick logo were giving Roethlisberger all kinds of trouble. Personally, in my past experience as a QB, I found it a LOT easier to get a grip on a slick ball (playing in the snow will do that) WITHOUT a glove, rather than with it, but I also likely didn't have the quality of gloves NFL QBs have available to them. In any event, it was most likely a grip problem that caused him to have a lot less zip on his passes than he usually does, not an injury.You're 100% right that they seem to be negatively affecting the game, and Riggins and Schein took the NFL to task for this extensively.Hi EG,I disagree with Clayton's reasoning there as I think the glove would help not hurt with a slippery football.I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
But I do agree for sure they should take a look at:
#1. Not having the huge (and slick) logo on the side of the football
#2. Reconsider using 100 footballs just to get the "game played" footballs out to sponsors and folks that pay the $$$.
They both seem to be affecting the game and especially #2 is affecting the game in a negative way.
J
J
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm going to have to do that. The ones we had in HS sucked.That's cool. You should try one of these new gloves. I picked up a pair the other day and was amazed. I have pretty normal sized hands (can just barely palm a NBA basketball) and I couldn't believe how much they helped. After trying a pair, it's easy to see why virtually every player wears a pair now. Unbelievable grip on the football. I almost wished I hadn't tried them on as it takes a tremendous amount of luster off the goofy one handed catches you see the WRs making.I don't know that the glove did/didn't have anything to do with it, but he observed that the new balls with the slick logo were giving Roethlisberger all kinds of trouble. Personally, in my past experience as a QB, I found it a LOT easier to get a grip on a slick ball (playing in the snow will do that) WITHOUT a glove, rather than with it, but I also likely didn't have the quality of gloves NFL QBs have available to them. In any event, it was most likely a grip problem that caused him to have a lot less zip on his passes than he usually does, not an injury.You're 100% right that they seem to be negatively affecting the game, and Riggins and Schein took the NFL to task for this extensively.Hi EG,I disagree with Clayton's reasoning there as I think the glove would help not hurt with a slippery football.I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
But I do agree for sure they should take a look at:
#1. Not having the huge (and slick) logo on the side of the football
#2. Reconsider using 100 footballs just to get the "game played" footballs out to sponsors and folks that pay the $$$.
They both seem to be affecting the game and especially #2 is affecting the game in a negative way.
J
J
In light of this, I'll be interested to see whether Roethlisberger goes back to the glove next year when his thumb is fully healed. I know he hated the glove when he first had to wear it, but I wonder if he's gotten used to it now and prefers it or not.
I agree EG, that will be interesting.I think I remember Brady toying with the idea since he wears it some for the cold. I think it would be hard to switch back and forth and it'd be easier to go all on or all off. We'll see I guess.I'm going to have to do that. The ones we had in HS sucked.That's cool. You should try one of these new gloves. I picked up a pair the other day and was amazed. I have pretty normal sized hands (can just barely palm a NBA basketball) and I couldn't believe how much they helped. After trying a pair, it's easy to see why virtually every player wears a pair now. Unbelievable grip on the football. I almost wished I hadn't tried them on as it takes a tremendous amount of luster off the goofy one handed catches you see the WRs making.I don't know that the glove did/didn't have anything to do with it, but he observed that the new balls with the slick logo were giving Roethlisberger all kinds of trouble. Personally, in my past experience as a QB, I found it a LOT easier to get a grip on a slick ball (playing in the snow will do that) WITHOUT a glove, rather than with it, but I also likely didn't have the quality of gloves NFL QBs have available to them. In any event, it was most likely a grip problem that caused him to have a lot less zip on his passes than he usually does, not an injury.You're 100% right that they seem to be negatively affecting the game, and Riggins and Schein took the NFL to task for this extensively.Hi EG,I disagree with Clayton's reasoning there as I think the glove would help not hurt with a slippery football.I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
But I do agree for sure they should take a look at:
#1. Not having the huge (and slick) logo on the side of the football
#2. Reconsider using 100 footballs just to get the "game played" footballs out to sponsors and folks that pay the $$$.
They both seem to be affecting the game and especially #2 is affecting the game in a negative way.
J
J
I know if it were me, I'd get used to playing with them all the time and go with it from there.
J
I wonder too jurb. WAY more of an advantage than the old "stickum" goop the guys used to wear.J
This is such a BS comment, clearly Hasselbeck was the better QB last Sunday, if you want to argue otherwise that is crazy. If you want to argue who's the better QB for the whole season or for next season that's fine, but to say Big Ben played better than Hasselbeck simply because his team won is stupid, we both know Big Ben played like #### and Hasselbeck easily outplayed him.
Irish
Footballguy
Did you miss the end of both halves and how bad Hasselbeck ran the 2 minute offense? He also threw a pick with a terrible pass in a critical situation and he also made some bad throws where the wr caught the ball out of bounds. When his team needed him in critical situations Ben delivered for his team. That is what makes a great qb, not some stats from throwing the ball 49 times.
SoFresh&SoClean
Footballguy
Rookie???????I wouldn't hate them so much if Pittsburgh fans weren't so obnoxious. I'm allowed to hate, and I take full advantage of it.The hate on this board for the Black & Gold kills me, you guys are SOOOOOO BITTER they won, it was a heads up play by a rookie, not the greatest pass ever, but it did get the job done. The Steelers won in spite of Ben's play, they are a complete team that made NFL history, stop hating...
P.S. Ben made some plays when he had too, he didn't completely suck, did you see the refs blocking down field on FWP's TD run????
SCOREBOARD
SoloMatisse
Footballguy
Roth lis sandwich is now 27-4 in the NFL....will all you haters shut your friggin' YAPS already! Friggin' haters.......move to Syria already.
Irish
Footballguy
Who Dey? I thought the Steelers put an end to that saying.Rookie???????I wouldn't hate them so much if Pittsburgh fans weren't so obnoxious. I'm allowed to hate, and I take full advantage of it.The hate on this board for the Black & Gold kills me, you guys are SOOOOOO BITTER they won, it was a heads up play by a rookie, not the greatest pass ever, but it did get the job done. The Steelers won in spite of Ben's play, they are a complete team that made NFL history, stop hating...
P.S. Ben made some plays when he had too, he didn't completely suck, did you see the refs blocking down field on FWP's TD run????
SCOREBOARD
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Ben clearly did not have a good game but he did make some critical plays. Any coach will tell you the importance of 3rd down conversions. The Steelers were 8/15 (Seattle was 5/17) and Roethlisberger factored in all 8 of them:2nd QTR
3-8-PIT22 (11:25) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to A.Randle El to PIT 30 for 8 yards (L.Tatupu).
3-6-PIT45 (6:59) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 43 for 12 yards (M.Trufant). Shovel pass on a scramble .
3-28-SEA40 (3:58) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 3 for 37 yards (M.Boulware).
3-1-SEA1 (2:00) B.Roethlisberger left end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.
3rd QTR
3-4-SEA39 (10:27) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 23 for 16 yards (M.Boulware; K.Herndon).
4th QTR
3-2-SEA48 (9:44) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to SEA 43 for 5 yards (J.Babineaux).
3-6-PIT24 (4:45) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to A.Randle El to PIT 31 for 7 yards (J.Babineaux).
3-3-PIT38 (3:51) B.Roethlisberger left end to PIT 41 for 3 yards (L.Hill).
Again this is not to say Ben played great on Sunday because he did not. But he did come through on 3rd downs, which are critical plays.
The Jerk
Footballguy
It's so inconsistent and hypocritical to hear that the NFL won't schedule a SB outside in Northern cities because they're concerned that the weather might affect the outcome of a game. Then they go and intentionally add something to the ball that (according to Jaworski and others) makes the ball harder to grip and control. Supposedly these balls are not rubbed down as much as normal balls. Then they top this off by using each ball for one or two plays. Thanks, NFL. That won't affect the outcome at all!Hi EG,I disagree with Clayton's reasoning there as I think the glove would help not hurt with a slippery football.I heard a lengthy discussion on this yesterday on Sirius and a caller provided some great insight. I don't believe he re-injured the hand - I believe this is what happened :As most of us know, the cycle brand new footballs into the game all night long during the Super Bowl. The Juggernaut quoted Aikman as saying it's like throwing wet balls all day long. In addition, they paint the XL logo onto every ball. Why is this significant?
Before the game, John Clayton reported that Roethlisberger was going to have an awful day throwing the ball. As it turns out, he was dead-on. How did he know this? In watching the Steeler practices and warm-ups before the game, Clayton observed that Roethlisberger, due to the glove he has to now wear to protect his thumb, was having tremendous difficulty gripping the slick new balls. In addition, his thumb landed squarely on the painted XL logo on the ball - thus he could not get a good grip on the ball. Typically, they would counter this by "roughing up" the balls to improve his grip, but in the Super Bowl, this cannot be done. They introduce new balls into the game non-stop. Hasselbeck's grip, as it is, was not affected by the logo - and because he does not wear a glove, he was able to maintain a much better grip on the new balls. Thus, Clayton correctly predicted that Hasselbeck would be much more effective throwing the ball than would Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was forced to change things up a bit and make more plays with his feet than he typically does, and they had to rely on the running game more as a result, and to their credit, they were able to do so and still win the game.
The reason this is a factor is because the NFL wants to cycle as many new balls into the game as possible in order to have tons of "authentic game-used balls" to sell off afterwards. It's all about the $$$ these days, and everyone knows it, so this is no surprise. However, inadvertently, the league handed the Seahawks a huge advantage with their money-grubbing policy.
Just something to chew on for the handful of irrational maniacs out there insinuating that the game was fixed because the league wanted to see a Steeler victory. Call Clayton a
But I do agree for sure they should take a look at:
#1. Not having the huge (and slick) logo on the side of the football
#2. Reconsider using 100 footballs just to get the "game played" footballs out to sponsors and folks that pay the $$$.
They both seem to be affecting the game and especially #2 is affecting the game in a negative way.
J
Ok this will be my last post in this thread then I'll be done. IMHO Big Ben is a good QB with a very bright future, but I think it's foolish to already rank him in the elite alongside Manning and Brady and I can't understand the logic in which people are trying to slant Big Ben's bad game into a performance that was somehow better than Hasselbech's.Ben clearly did not have a good game but he did make some critical plays. Any coach will tell you the importance of 3rd down conversions. The Steelers were 8/15 (Seattle was 5/17) and Roethlisberger factored in all 8 of them:2nd QTR
3-8-PIT22 (11:25) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to A.Randle El to PIT 30 for 8 yards (L.Tatupu).
3-6-PIT45 (6:59) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 43 for 12 yards (M.Trufant). Shovel pass on a scramble .
3-28-SEA40 (3:58) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 3 for 37 yards (M.Boulware).
3-1-SEA1 (2:00) B.Roethlisberger left end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.
3rd QTR
3-4-SEA39 (10:27) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 23 for 16 yards (M.Boulware; K.Herndon).
4th QTR
3-2-SEA48 (9:44) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to SEA 43 for 5 yards (J.Babineaux).
3-6-PIT24 (4:45) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to A.Randle El to PIT 31 for 7 yards (J.Babineaux).
3-3-PIT38 (3:51) B.Roethlisberger left end to PIT 41 for 3 yards (L.Hill).
Again this is not to say Ben played great on Sunday because he did not. But he did come through on 3rd downs, which are critical plays.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Hey I never said that Big Ben's performance on Sunday was better than Hasselbeck's. I was just responding to your laughing at the notion that Ben made some critical plays during the game.Ok this will be my last post in this thread then I'll be done. IMHO Big Ben is a good QB with a very bright future, but I think it's foolish to already rank him in the elite alongside Manning and Brady and I can't understand the logic in which people are trying to slant Big Ben's bad game into a performance that was somehow better than Hasselbech's.Ben clearly did not have a good game but he did make some critical plays. Any coach will tell you the importance of 3rd down conversions. The Steelers were 8/15 (Seattle was 5/17) and Roethlisberger factored in all 8 of them:2nd QTR
3-8-PIT22 (11:25) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to A.Randle El to PIT 30 for 8 yards (L.Tatupu).
3-6-PIT45 (6:59) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 43 for 12 yards (M.Trufant). Shovel pass on a scramble .
3-28-SEA40 (3:58) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 3 for 37 yards (M.Boulware).
3-1-SEA1 (2:00) B.Roethlisberger left end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.
3rd QTR
3-4-SEA39 (10:27) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to H.Ward to SEA 23 for 16 yards (M.Boulware; K.Herndon).
4th QTR
3-2-SEA48 (9:44) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger up the middle to SEA 43 for 5 yards (J.Babineaux).
3-6-PIT24 (4:45) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass to A.Randle El to PIT 31 for 7 yards (J.Babineaux).
3-3-PIT38 (3:51) B.Roethlisberger left end to PIT 41 for 3 yards (L.Hill).
Again this is not to say Ben played great on Sunday because he did not. But he did come through on 3rd downs, which are critical plays.
