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13-1. HOF-bound AJ Feeley beat Belichick the 2nd time they played this year.
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DerangedGridironGeek
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Peyton, not yet.........
I'm sorry......I dont want to get of the original topic. But IMO Burger will never be better than Manning. While Manning has some issues to deal with....he is a great QB with quite a few years left in his career.Manning has the potential to be the one of the best QBs of all time and could break almost every record before its done. While I like Berger and this Pitt team, I highly doubt he will compare to Manning when its all said and done. Even you and some of your blindly faithful Steeler fans should be able to take off those homer galsses and see that Pitt's offense isnt meant to put up those kind of numbers and winning SBs is no easy task.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
But why are you comparing Manning with Ben? Nobody is making that comparison and nobody is saying that Ben is better. The Pats aren't playing Ben--they are playing the Pittsburgh steelers. And if any pats fan thinks this sunday's game will be as easy as their victory over the Colts, they've got blinders on themselves.Peyton, not yet.........
DerangedGridironGeek
Footballguy
I, in on way shape or form, think this game will be easy and to tell you the truth....I have no freakin clue who is going to win. I really like the hardnose style that Pittsburgh plays with...and I'm from NE...but you cant count the SB Champs out of this game. They find ways to win and which is why I would pick them to win by 3. I cant wait for this game...as it should be an instant classic.Now for the Big Ben comparison...."Roadeyes" asked "The Law" if Berger was greater than Manning....cause of the whole beating the pats twice thing....and law replied with Eli yes and Peyton not yet. Sorry if I'm reading this wrong, but I just dont think that comparison will ever be made.But why are you comparing Manning with Ben? Nobody is making that comparison and nobody is saying that Ben is better. The Pats aren't playing Ben--they are playing the Pittsburgh steelers. And if any pats fan thinks this sunday's game will be as easy as their victory over the Colts, they've got blinders on themselves.Peyton, not yet.........
TheLaw
Footballguy
I'm just saying - you never know.I, in on way shape or form, think this game will be easy and to tell you the truth....I have no freakin clue who is going to win. I really like the hardnose style that Pittsburgh plays with...and I'm from NE...but you cant count the SB Champs out of this game. They find ways to win and which is why I would pick them to win by 3. I cant wait for this game...as it should be an instant classic.Now for the Big Ben comparison...."Roadeyes" asked "The Law" if Berger was greater than Manning....cause of the whole beating the pats twice thing....and law replied with Eli yes and Peyton not yet. Sorry if I'm reading this wrong, but I just dont think that comparison will ever be made.But why are you comparing Manning with Ben? Nobody is making that comparison and nobody is saying that Ben is better. The Pats aren't playing Ben--they are playing the Pittsburgh steelers. And if any pats fan thinks this sunday's game will be as easy as their victory over the Colts, they've got blinders on themselves.Peyton, not yet.........
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I'm a Pats fan and this made me laugh out loud!Quality.
TheLaw
Footballguy
Yea, but AJ didnt start the 1st game, so there wasnt the film breakdown. I am a Steelers fan, and I cannot discredit BB's record the second go around vs a QB. I can just say that it doesnt matter because it is Bus, Bus, Duce.I'm a Pats fan and this made me laugh out loud!Quality.
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All the Steelers fans pointing to leaning on the rushing game are wise.... However you guys MUST remember that Pitt was ABLE to lean on the rushing game due to jumping out to an early lead (thanks to some pat's turnovers). Those turnovers MIGHT have had something to do with having to shift to a 90% pass offense due to a missing stud RB. That has been commented on, but there is a ripple effect on the passing game that some are missing out on. The odds of Pitt being able to jump to a 21 point lead in the first quarter again are pretty slim and it's a little tougher to just ride the running game when you don't have that comfy double-digit padding. Also note that After New England settled down they were able to hang with Pittsburgh while lacking many key elements (including a huge mid-game blow to their defensive sheme with Law's loss). NE has had time to make the adjustments needed to compensate for Law's absence. Big Ben's first 7 games:Rating 103.410 TD - 4 INTBig Ben's last 8 games:Rating 86.67 TD - 8 INTThe rookie came out of the guns strong but like with most rookies, coaches now have access to enough film to find out how to confuse the kid..... Bill be able to extract at least 1 but more than likely 2 or more Interceptions from this very good, but very inexperienced young quarterback. This kid showed a little cracking under the pressure in the first playoff game of his career a few days ago.... and that pressure was NOTHING compared to what he'll feel this Sunday. Finally the weather is beginning to look to be in the favor of New England. If, indeed, there will be very heavy snows during the game Sunday, I like New England's quick short passing game versus the passing game of pittsburgh who relies a little more on the big play ability of Ward and Burress. Both teams will show the ability to drastically slow the run....Overall, this will be one helluva game and will come down to Special Teams (field position football), and big plays (turnovers and the potential deep strike). While Pitt clearly has a slight to moderate edge in the RB department (more due to having two large backs than having one back that is better than Dillon), I believe Billy B will be able to take his far more cohesive D unit and force the game into Young Ben's hands.... somewhere that whether they're ready to admit it or not, don't want the game to be.This will be one helluva game but I think the combination of Brady, Billy B, and Dillon, combined with an improved Pats D-unit will be just enough to overcome the home field advantage of Pitt.
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RAIDERNATION.
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Okay then.... I'll give it a shot. Not as someone who saw one Steeler game, but as someone who watched EVERY Steeler game.Face it - Roethlisberger is not as good as you think. The Steelers are winning (MAINLY) because of the run game and defense.Forget it man - I beat my head against that wall for months. You make the same points over and over, prove your case, then a new thread pops up the next day where someone has seen 1 game, glances at some stats and declares :"Face it - Roethlisberger is not as good as you think. The Steelers are winning because of the run game and defense, Ben has nothing to do with it...", etc.Roth for the season was:98.1 Passer rating (#5 in NFL)The stillers will have to run to win this game... if ROethle-somethin passes more than 19 times, the STeelers will lose. I am sorry Pittsburgh failthful, but he is not as good as you think... he is managing games like Trent Difler did before he went to disney world...
The steelers nearly lost at home, to less of an opponent than the Pats. This will be a great game, it is too bad the winner will have to play PHILLY!!!!
66.4% comp. % (#4 in NFL)
8.89 YPA (#2 in NFL)
14 starts, 14 wins, as a rookie - never been done before.
QB is undoubtably a postion judged most be wins and losses. I do not think anybody is saying that the Steelers are 15-1 BECAUSE of Ben, but I also think it is erroneous to say that the Steelers are winning IN SPITE of Ben. He has contributed to every win in some way, shape, or form. Even with two picks yesterday, he still was solid on the game tying and game winning drives.
Comparing Roth to Dilfer, I beg to differ.
Dilfer's relevant stats w/ BAL:
76.6 passer rating
59.3% comp.%
6.6 YPA
12TD, 11 INT
1502 yds
Also, people should keep in mind that Ben is a 22 yr old rookie. This is only his FIFTH year of his LIFE playing QB. He was a WR in HS until his senior year, then played only 3 years at Miami, OH. He has won 14 NFL games in a row, and I believe he hasnt lost since Iowa early in his Junior season. He simply is a leader of men, and his team and coaching staff remains confident in him, as evidenced by the 1st play in OT, from their own 13 yard line being a pass.
I won't be ignorant enough to include the "Ben has nothing to do with it" part.
The kid is good. He's not the second coming.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
You think that might have something to do with the fact that Plaxico Burress missed almost 5 games in the 2nd half of the year, and Burress is the guy who makes the Steelers' passing attack go?
Evilgrin72
Footballguy
If you watched every game you surely know three things :1) Roethlisberger was a large part of the reason why this team is undefeated since he took over. He has made a lot of plays this year
2) He's the most promising (and probably already best) QB we've had running the show in 25 years.
3) He's had the best rookie season of any QB in the history of the NFL.
That's MORE than enough for me from a guy I didn't even expect to take a snap until next year at the earliest. He's only got 4 years of experience at the QB position at any level coming into this season. When you combine his maturity, ability to learn, arm strength, accuracy, and ability to avoid the rush - he has all the tools. You'll have to forgive me for being excited about the future of the team at this position.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Just another reason why Evilgrin72 is my favorite Steeler fan: he doesn't require 6 terrible towel smilies and 30-font "Here we go Steelers, Here we go!" to end every post. GG
nightshift
Footballguy
I'm so glad you like it! Tell you what GG, if EG72 says he's tired of it and wants me to stop, I will.
'Til then pal, like a double "YOI!" , this one is for you!
HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!
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Please note: 5 not 6. Represents "the one for the thumb".
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
In my opinion, it was a HUGE reason why Roethlisberger's numbers fell in the 2nd half. He really hasn't gone through an extended period where he's visibly struggled throwing passes, reading defenses, or making decisions. For whatever reason, people like to point at his 2nd half numbers and say he struggled... however, he was the reason the offense kept up with the Giants (316, 1 TD) when the Steelers' defense didn't show up in week 15, and he was exceptional (14-19, 221, 2 TDs) against the Ravens in week 16.With no Burress, the offense became much more dependent on the running game and they lacked the WR who could keep opposing safeties honest. It also resulted in Ward seeing the double teams that he NEVER sees when Burress is in the game. Ward and Burress is a far better combo than Ward and Randle El.
As for Burress leaving, I don't think he will. If he does, you can expect the Steelers' passing attack to suffer unless they somehow replace him with a WR who can stretch the field AND has the respect of opposing defensive co-ordinators.
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CrossEyed
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Look, you guys who are insisting that the Steelers have won in spite of Ben just haven't watched the Steelers this year. Is he the best QB in the league? Probably not. But he is the only undefeated QB in the league. Since Peyton gets criticized for not being able to win, I guess Ben has to get some credit for not having lost.But he has been a very good QB and an efficient passer. The comparison to Dilfer earlier in the thread is just silly. Ben had the second highest yards-per-attempt in the league and the highest rookie completion % and passer rating in the history of the NFL. The kid is good. Did he play well on Sunday? Nope. But I think that may be more because of the Jets D than the fact it was a playoff game. Some players just don't play well against certain teams. Just ask Peyton.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
I've seen older, more experienced QBs make more mistakes in the playoffs than Big Ben made in the Jets game. The Jets' D isn't anything to sneeze at, regardless of what people on this board may say. With the jitters of his first playoff game behind him, I expect he'll settle down and play better.Like most reasonable Steeler (and Patriots) fans say, this game will be won in the trenches.GG
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Thanks.I'm so glad you like it! Tell you what GG, if EG72 says he's tired of it and wants me to stop, I will.
'Til then pal, like a double "YOI!" , this one is for you!
HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!
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Please note: 5 not 6. Represents "the one for the thumb".
Obviously you're excited about your team, which is great. But you're the message board equivalent of that guy in the sport's bar decked out in full fan gear, yelling at the top of his lungs how his team is gonna wreck the other team. Even if he's on your side, you eventually want him to just eat his fries.GG
pghrob
Footballguy
Big Ben is justifying his draft status as the 3rd QB picked in the first round. His success is all the more commendable when you see that he came from a mid major conference school like Miami of Ohio.He is efficient, unflappable, and has the unwavering support of all his teammates. Simply put, he is their starting QB and a large reason they are in the AFC Championship. All the greats have had bad games. The magnification of Ben is the result beacuse he is such an anomaly. No rookie has ever done what he has done. He shows such poise for being so young. He is not the first player to ever throw 2 picks.That being said, the Steelers are about as complete a team as one can be. Ben does not need to win the game. He has an amazing rushing attack. All he needs to do is his part.. which is throw the ball and let his receivers go get it. I can't over emphasize how important it is that they (his teammates) believe in him 110%. I am confiendent he puts the Jets game behind him and delivers a strong performance v. the Pats.The Patriots have been about as complete a team as on can be. BB is one of the best ever at coaching. His Pats will be ready, lickig hteir chops. This figures to be a classic.Steelers in a close one.
BigActionMike
Footballguy
the funny thing about the Dilfer comment... is it is true. Roethel-somethin is there to manage a game that is predicated on running the football and defense. Is he a better player than DIlfer? SUre, I'll concede that, is he a QB worthy of a topic thread entitled "Big Ben will embarass NE" certainly not. For all you stat-wielding dummies showing how ben is a top 5 qb because he leads the league in yds per attempt, think back oh-so-long-ago when Pennington had the best passer rating in the NFL! The funniest thing of it all, you argue that the steelers passing game will suffer if the lose plaxico!! Well, in a certain regard that further's my point regarding DILFER and his stats, imagine if he had a complement of receivers of Ward and Burress's caliber... Those stats of his may have actually become "RELEVANT".My point in replying to an inappropriately titled thread (a topic which has been covered here before ) is that ben is not yet worthy of consideration as an elite QB. He shows some flashes of brilliance, but contrary to the comment posted earlier 14/19 229 yd 1TD, or 24/ 30 319 yds 1TD is non a stat line that I would consider brilliant!!!Let's not forget how exciting touchdown tommy was for awhile in Pittsburgh!!! LOL, just kidding...
) is that ben is not yet worthy of consideration as an elite QB. He shows some flashes of brilliance, but contrary to the comment posted earlier 14/19 229 yd 1TD, or 24/ 30 319 yds 1TD is non a stat line that I would consider brilliant!!!Let's not forget how exciting touchdown tommy was for awhile in Pittsburgh!!! LOL, just kidding...two things, dip sh-it-I said I'd bask in the memory of knowing we prevented the perfect season, on the ONLY Sunday we fielded our entire starting 11....full strength, I'll take my guys against you anywhere, anytimeYes I'm sure thats a much better feeling than playing for the superbowl. Because when we look back at this season, we're all going to go back to that one loss in September 1st and reflect on it.Oh and by the way---wasn't it the Steelers that virtually knocked your team out of playoff contention? Thats what I thought.
won't win 'em all, but you'll know you were in a football game...just ask Tommy Maddox
-if you want to reference recent Super Bowl memories....
...oh, no you don't have any
that's what I thought
let me buy your first Iron City Sunday...
as you go cryin' in your beer
I'll take Belichick over any coach...your guy or mine...as he has done more with less than any coach in recent memory
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Actually, if you'd ever watched the Steelers play, you'd realize that the Steelers depend on Ben to make more plays than most people give him credit for. And he makes them, too. No, he hasn't really had to win a game by himself (other than maybe the Giants game), but he's made all the plays to put the Steelers ahead, and he's been very, very efficient when he does drop back to pass.And by the way, if you'd WATCHED the Giants game, you'd realize that his 24-30, 316, 1 TD performance WAS a brilliant performance. The Steelers' defense didn't show up that day, and it was on Ben's shoulders to keep scoring. Just because Randle El threw a TD and Bettis ran one in doesn't mean Ben wasn't fantastic that day.And if you'd have seen the Steelers-Ravens game, 14-19, 221, 2 TDs (in 3 quarters) WAS a brilliant performance. They ran out the clock in the 2nd half with the running game, but it was the passing game that moved the ball early on.the funny thing about the Dilfer comment... is it is true. Roethel-somethin is there to manage a game that is predicated on running the football and defense. Is he a better player than DIlfer? SUre, I'll concede that, is he a QB worthy of a topic thread entitled "Big Ben will embarass NE" certainly not. For all you stat-wielding dummies showing how ben is a top 5 qb because he leads the league in yds per attempt, think back oh-so-long-ago when Pennington had the best passer rating in the NFL! The funniest thing of it all, you argue that the steelers passing game will suffer if the lose plaxico!! Well, in a certain regard that further's my point regarding DILFER and his stats, imagine if he had a complement of receivers of Ward and Burress's caliber... Those stats of his may have actually become "RELEVANT".My point in replying to an inappropriately titled thread (a topic which has been covered here before
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Hey Steve, do you realize that the Steelers have lost, at various points this year, their:Starting QB (Maddox, since week 2)Starting RB (Staley, for over a month)Starting WR (Burress, for 4 1/2 games)Starting RG (Simmons, all year)Starting NT (Hampton, all year)Starting ILB (Bell, all year)Starting OLB (Haggans, 2-3 weeks)Starting CB (Scott, a few months)Not to mention a few key special teams injuries along the way... I'd say Cowher has done a fantastic job this year.
S...no question you guys had your share of injuries as wellmost teams have to figure a way to work around this...Pittsburgh did this year, as well as NE---who had to play a WR @ CB as both All-Pro corners were out more than they were in....several WR's out, as well as DLthe Ravens had 8 starters out for 1 game, let alone the whole season, as the Steelers had to work aroundat one point, for a 4 game strech, the only WR/TE healthy from last years Ravens team to be active for us was back up TE Terry Jones, JR...hard to go to battle w/THAT!I never said Ben sucked or that Cowher did not do a fantastic jobBen has done everything asked of him....which was to manage the game Dilfer-esq(that is not a slam on either of them...Trent DOES have a SB ring, as a starting QB)Cowher has shown why he is the longest tenured coach in the NFL today...Pittsburgh is a threat every yearthe long and short of it is Johnny U proclaimed Ben will bury NE this week, and I'm taking him to task on that...won't happen
will it be a blow out...no waybut it surely won't go the way JU has proclaimedand IF the Steelers can take out NE and Philly/Atl, I most certainly WILL have a smile on my face knowing most Steeler fans couldn't be more bitter about where that 1 loss came from this year!
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Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I'll gladly take an 18-1 Super Bowl season, even if the lone loss came from the lowly Ravens on one lucky afternoon!S...no question you guys had your share of injuries as wellmost teams have to figure a way to work around this...Pittsburgh did this year, as well as NE---who had to play a WR @ CB as both All-Pro corners were out more than they were in....several WR's out, as well as DLthe Ravens had 8 starters out for 1 game, let alone the whole season, as the Steelers had to work aroundat one point, for a 4 game strech, the only WR/TE healthy from last years Ravens team to be active for us was back up TE Terry Jones, JR...hard to go to battle w/THAT!I never said Ben sucked or that Cowher did not do a fantastic jobBen has done everything asked of him....which was to manage the game Dilfer-esq(that is not a slam on either of them...Trent DOES have a SB ring, as a starting QB)Cowher has shown why he is the longest tenured coach in the NFL today...Pittsburgh is a threat every yearthe long and short of it is Johnny U proclaimed Ben will bury NE this week, and I'm taking him to task on that...won't happen
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
JohnnyU was just a disgruntled Colts fan when he posted it.You won't find any realistic Steeler fans on this board who expect this to be anything but a hard-fought battle between the two teams most consider the best in the NFL.Based on what we saw last week, how could any Steelers fan be saying anything liek this? You were an inept kicker away from watching this game on TV!!!!!!!
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Plax was out 4.5 of those 8 games..... about half. That doesn't explain the alarming increase in Ben's Interception rate.... coaches figuring out how to confuse the kid out does. Nobody confuses a QB like Belechick... hell he made Peyton punctuate one of the greatest passing seasons ever with a goose-egg.The fact is that Ben is a VERY strong rookie talent.... however he IS STILL JUST A ROOKIE. His game is great but has not had a chance to mature yet. The Jets exposed some kinks in his armor with some creative Schemes..... expect Belechick to make those defenses look simple in comparison to what he'll be throwing at this kid on Sunday. He WILL be confused to the point of making some bad passes.... when he does, expect the Patriots DBs to be there waiting with open arms. Ben has the luxury of being a very good mobile QB so I expect NE to use a litlte more trickery with thier blitzes as well. Another factor that some folks haven't really mentioned is the effect of the weather on Ben's game. The colder weather of late has been considered to have something to do with Ben's scary shift in TD/INT ratio lately. Hell... the kid has to wear gloves to keep his hands warm when throwing in cold weather. If there IS bitter cold and heavy snowfall like some are predicting.... I expect it will tip the scales even further in Brady's favor for this game. No one knows what Billy B will have up his sleeve on Sunday but expect it to be something rather impressive. The NE Defense is just hitting thier stride.... Bill commented that they are playing their best Defense of the year right now.... I expect that to continue on Sunday.I am not saying NE will walk away with this one (hardly).... however, keep in mind you guys are going up against a Coach who's never lost when facing a QB a 2nd time.....a opposing QB who's never lost a postseason game....a team who's brought home 2 of the last 3 Super Bowl rings.... likely in weather that will challenge your rookie QB as much as the defensive looks that he's never seen before. Pitt will NEED their running game to come up big in this game, OR they wil need to get lucky and hit a deep TD pass in order to win this game. This is why I expect Billy B to make a solid effort to put a lid on the Bus and force the Berger to beat them. Regardless...it should be one helluva game.....
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Testy, testy.....did I hit a nerve? Your posts don't have any substance but simply sour grapes. Did the Ravens have some injuries against the Steelers? Yes. Did the Steelers have injuries against the Ravens? Yes. It's the second to last week of the season--everyone is hurt and good teams (like the 2004-2005 Steelers) overcome injuries. Now if you would like I can list the number of Steelers starters that have been injured for a significant amount of time this year. I'm sure you don't want me to go there......two things, dip sh-it-I said I'd bask in the memory of knowing we prevented the perfect season, on the ONLY Sunday we fielded our entire starting 11....full strength, I'll take my guys against you anywhere, anytimeYes I'm sure thats a much better feeling than playing for the superbowl. Because when we look back at this season, we're all going to go back to that one loss in September 1st and reflect on it.
won't win 'em all, but you'll know you were in a football game...just ask Tommy Maddox
-if you want to reference recent Super Bowl memories....
...oh, no you don't have any
that's what I thought
let me buy your first Iron City Sunday...
as you go cryin' in your beer
I'll take Belichick over any coach...your guy or mine...as he has done more with less than any coach in recent memory
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Certainly Roethlisberger has his hands full this weekend, most expect him to wilt under Belichick's schemes. But...Can you imagine if a rookie QB ended the Pats 21 game streak and their "Dynasty" in the same season? This kid has a chance to make a real statement this weekend.
try me...Pro Bowl TE Heap......11 gamesPro Bowl LT Ogden..... 4 gamesstarting LG Mulitalo..... 4 gamesstarting C Flynn.........10 gamesstarting RG Anderson.. 2 gamesstarting RT OBrown......5 gamesPro Bowl RB JLewis......4 gamesstarting WR TTaylor......4 games(plus 2 DNP,coaches decision)ProBowl OLB Boulware..16 gamesseveral other defensive players for a few games, but the lack of cohesiveness on the offensive side was too much to bare...am I pissed (testy) we were watching this post season? damn right I was....9-7 is good enough for alot of teams....I'm sure the Steelers would have taken it last year....I was looking at 11-5 this season, but division losses to Clev and Cinn prevented this, as well as a home loss to KC....the road losses to NE, Phil, Pitts and Indy were pretty much expectedno one played that schedule in the NFLyou say sour grapes...
...I wanted to play this schedule, but at least be able to go against some of the top competition at full strength....the only time our starting 11 on offense hit the field (once Flynn was determined out for 1/2 the season), was the first Pittsburgh game---if you saw that game, you know the Ravens provide strong competition at full strengthenough of this...the original poster was going on about how Ben was going to bury NE this weekany knowledgeable NFL fan knows this simply isn't the caseI stated before and will repeat....give me Belichick over any other coach for one game, until somebody can beat him in a game that countsBen will play a decent game Sunday, to be sure, and the Steelers will give the Pattsies all they can handle......in the end, there will be a costly mistake that will put NE over the topthe Steelers should be grateful it was Brien lining up for the FG last week......Vinetieri would have ended it on the first attempt, as he will this weekendNE 19Pitts 17
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fred_1_15301
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Point well taken. Sorry if I came across as being a jerk. Anyways, for the record, I think the creator of this post is ignorant for starting this. Sometimes when the Steelers and Ravens play, there is so much emotion that you have to throw out everything else and the team that is more physical usually wins. Since these teams are both extremely physical, generally they split the season series.try me...Pro Bowl TE Heap......11 gamesPro Bowl LT Ogden..... 4 gamesstarting LG Mulitalo..... 4 gamesstarting C Flynn.........10 gamesstarting RG Anderson.. 2 gamesstarting RT OBrown......5 gamesPro Bowl RB JLewis......4 gamesstarting WR TTaylor......4 games(plus 2 DNP,coaches decision)ProBowl OLB Boulware..16 gamesseveral other defensive players for a few games, but the lack of cohesiveness on the offensive side was too much to bare...am I pissed (testy) we were watching this post season? damn right I was....9-7 is good enough for alot of teams....I'm sure the Steelers would have taken it last year....I was looking at 11-5 this season, but division losses to Clev and Cinn prevented this, as well as a home loss to KC....the road losses to NE, Phil, Pitts and Indy were pretty much expectedno one played that schedule in the NFLyou say sour grapes...
nightshift
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Most of you are ignoring one thing: the weather.Local forecasts are calling for snow, cold, and most important, WINDY conditions. Very bad for field goals. Just ask the JETS (they had a nice day compared to this Sunday).So if I take Fred's scoring projection, add in the weather to the field goal difficulty, I think it looks like:Steelers 14Patriots 7hmmm, I think I've seen this before.... :stillers: :stillers: :stillers: :stillers: :stillers:
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where do you think the Pats are from? Do Raider fans think Vinatieri can kick in the snow?Weather is a non factor. If anything bad weather could hurt the Steelers as they have an edge with their WRs and ya never know how wideouts will do in poor weather. But Hines Ward is a mudder if I've ever seen one...weather doesn't give any team an edge
tommyboy
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terry bradshaw wasn't that good either, but he got 4 rings a won a bunch of games.I don't really give a #### if Ben is Dan Marino good, if he keeps winning that's all that matters.
you could flip this argument right over on to guys like Tom Brady and in his day Troy Aikman, are they great stat monkeys with golden arms? No. Do (did) they win games that mattered? Yes.
If Ben can keep this up, that's what matters. Nothing else.
From what I've seen (every game) he's got some little bit of something special that allows him to overcome his rookie mistakes and more than make up for it as the game progresses. He's a gamer. That's cool with me.
tommyboy
Footballguy
going against common sense and most Vegas bookies and picking Pittsburgh in another romp. I like the scare they got last week vs the Jets, the kind of game that propels a team to give 200% effort from that moment forward. I also happen to think Pittsburgh is a better overall team thatn NE at the moment. I think they'll come out hot and fast and have NE on their heels very early in this game and never let up.Pitt 28, NE 7.
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