Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (2 Viewers)

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.B1G this year is so good.

 

[whoknew]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.

B1G this year is so good.

Are you kidding? Tubby's job was seriously in jeopardy?

 

[Bull Dozier]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.B1G this year is so good.

Having been to 4 games now this year, it has been interesting to see the fans reaction when Tubby is announced pre-game. The preseason game was a booming "Tubby, Tubby" chant. I don't remember the Northwestern game reaction, but Wisconsin was mainly just the student section chanting. Last night, only the die hards in the student section bothered to react at all (I think there was a smattering of boos, too).

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Oladipo and Zeller looked pretty pedestrian. Dipo had some points, but its not like he dominated the game.

Hopefully now the Oladipo for B1G player of the year talk will quiet down and the attention can be placed back on it's rightful owner....Trey Burke.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Huge win for the Gophers tonight So far Bucky is taking care of business. Not a bad start for the Freshman edited to add: Decker scored 19 on 6 shots, going 5-6 from the floor (4-5 for 3's) and 5-6 from the line...off the bench (24 minutes). I have to think that Bo is trying to keep the kid from burning out, and plans to use him much more in March.

Dekker is the real deal. As his defense has improved, his minutes have increased a bit. This kid is going to be very, very good. Also great to see Berggren set the all time blocks record for Wisconsin. His defense is really outstanding.

 

[jon_mx]

Too many good games in a row for Watford coming into this one? IU just god-awful on the boards tonight.

That was the shocker.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Huge win for the Gophers tonight So far Bucky is taking care of business. Not a bad start for the Freshman edited to add: Decker scored 19 on 6 shots, going 5-6 from the floor (4-5 for 3's) and 5-6 from the line...off the bench (24 minutes). I have to think that Bo is trying to keep the kid from burning out, and plans to use him much more in March.

Dekker is the real deal. As his defense has improved, his minutes have increased a bit. This kid is going to be very, very good. Also great to see Berggren set the all time blocks record for Wisconsin. His defense is really outstanding.

Next year it's going to be difficult to replace the defensive intensity that Berggren, Bruesewitz and Evans bring every game. The Badgers always seem to find guys that fit their mold, but these three are the mold.

 

[BigJim®]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.

B1G this year is so good.

Are you kidding? Tubby's job was seriously in jeopardy?

Of course it was. The team had imploded in the Big 10 schedule in 2010 and 2011, and this third year they go from being ranked #8 earlier to not receiving a single vote in rankings last week. It's remarkable with this talent they could go from shoe-in NCAA to maybe on the outside looking in over 5 weeks, but it is a reoccuring issue. How it happened, struggling to get to 50 points with these scorers, is tough to watch. I don't personally agree he should be let go because I remember well the failure of previous post-Clem Haskins coaches. However, no way was Tubby generally considered untouchable after losing 8 of 11 with this roster. I don't see how they can miss the NCAA now, but let's say they lose the last 3 and do miss, I think there is legit chance he would be gone. Let's face it, the team has proved it is capable of playing Duke close and beating MSU and Indiana, but (in my scenario) loses 12 games? The great wins make the losses that much more inexplicable, and that has to reflect on coaching.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.

B1G this year is so good.

Are you kidding? Tubby's job was seriously in jeopardy?

Of course it was. The team had imploded in the Big 10 schedule in 2010 and 2011, and this third year they go from being ranked #8 earlier to not receiving a single vote in rankings last week. It's remarkable with this talent they could go from shoe-in NCAA to maybe on the outside looking in over 5 weeks, but it is a reoccuring issue. How it happened, struggling to get to 50 points with these scorers, is tough to watch. I don't personally agree he should be let go because I remember well the failure of previous post-Clem Haskins coaches. However, no way was Tubby generally considered untouchable after losing 8 of 11 with this roster. I don't see how they can miss the NCAA now, but let's say they lose the last 3 and do miss, I think there is legit chance he would be gone. Let's face it, the team has proved it is capable of playing Duke close and beating MSU and Indiana, but (in my scenario) loses 12 games? The great wins make the losses that much more inexplicable, and that has to reflect on coaching.

Excellent posting Tubby was on the same trek at KY back a decade or so ago.Not sure what the issue is but it does seem to be a recurring one.

 

[whoknew]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.

B1G this year is so good.

Are you kidding? Tubby's job was seriously in jeopardy?

Of course it was. The team had imploded in the Big 10 schedule in 2010 and 2011, and this third year they go from being ranked #8 earlier to not receiving a single vote in rankings last week. It's remarkable with this talent they could go from shoe-in NCAA to maybe on the outside looking in over 5 weeks, but it is a reoccuring issue. How it happened, struggling to get to 50 points with these scorers, is tough to watch. I don't personally agree he should be let go because I remember well the failure of previous post-Clem Haskins coaches. However, no way was Tubby generally considered untouchable after losing 8 of 11 with this roster. I don't see how they can miss the NCAA now, but let's say they lose the last 3 and do miss, I think there is legit chance he would be gone. Let's face it, the team has proved it is capable of playing Duke close and beating MSU and Indiana, but (in my scenario) loses 12 games? The great wins make the losses that much more inexplicable, and that has to reflect on coaching.

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.The Big Ten is brutal this year. Being the 6th best team is not a disgrace.

 

[coyote5]

Huge win for the Gophers tonight So far Bucky is taking care of business. Not a bad start for the Freshman edited to add: Decker scored 19 on 6 shots, going 5-6 from the floor (4-5 for 3's) and 5-6 from the line...off the bench (24 minutes). I have to think that Bo is trying to keep the kid from burning out, and plans to use him much more in March.

Dekker is the real deal. As his defense has improved, his minutes have increased a bit. This kid is going to be very, very good.

Potential to be their best scorer since Tucker

 

[Ilov80s]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.

B1G this year is so good.

Are you kidding? Tubby's job was seriously in jeopardy?

Of course it was. The team had imploded in the Big 10 schedule in 2010 and 2011, and this third year they go from being ranked #8 earlier to not receiving a single vote in rankings last week. It's remarkable with this talent they could go from shoe-in NCAA to maybe on the outside looking in over 5 weeks, but it is a reoccuring issue. How it happened, struggling to get to 50 points with these scorers, is tough to watch. I don't personally agree he should be let go because I remember well the failure of previous post-Clem Haskins coaches. However, no way was Tubby generally considered untouchable after losing 8 of 11 with this roster. I don't see how they can miss the NCAA now, but let's say they lose the last 3 and do miss, I think there is legit chance he would be gone. Let's face it, the team has proved it is capable of playing Duke close and beating MSU and Indiana, but (in my scenario) loses 12 games? The great wins make the losses that much more inexplicable, and that has to reflect on coaching.

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.The Big Ten is brutal this year. Being the 6th best team is not a disgrace.

Minnesota might be 6th in the B10, but they are a top 20 team nationally IMO. They are a nightmare for a lot of teams come March Madness.

 

[sporthenry]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.

B1G this year is so good.

Are you kidding? Tubby's job was seriously in jeopardy?

Of course it was. The team had imploded in the Big 10 schedule in 2010 and 2011, and this third year they go from being ranked #8 earlier to not receiving a single vote in rankings last week. It's remarkable with this talent they could go from shoe-in NCAA to maybe on the outside looking in over 5 weeks, but it is a reoccuring issue. How it happened, struggling to get to 50 points with these scorers, is tough to watch. I don't personally agree he should be let go because I remember well the failure of previous post-Clem Haskins coaches. However, no way was Tubby generally considered untouchable after losing 8 of 11 with this roster. I don't see how they can miss the NCAA now, but let's say they lose the last 3 and do miss, I think there is legit chance he would be gone. Let's face it, the team has proved it is capable of playing Duke close and beating MSU and Indiana, but (in my scenario) loses 12 games? The great wins make the losses that much more inexplicable, and that has to reflect on coaching.

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.The Big Ten is brutal this year. Being the 6th best team is not a disgrace.

Minnesota might be 6th in the B10, but they are a top 20 team nationally IMO. They are a nightmare for a lot of teams come March Madness.

The team who lost by 21 at Iowa and 26 at OSU? Minnesota seems like a box of chocolates. They are going to have to show up at a neutral site and their offense seems to get stagnant at times. If it wasn't for Eliason, IU probably pulls away during that stretch. I like Minnesota but they seem like the rest of the teams hanging around the top 25, horribly inconsistent. Their ceiling is probably higher but so is their floor apparently.

 

[BigJim®]

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.

Yes, understood. I'll preface a 2nd time I am/was not in favor of firing Tubby, and was merely answering a perplexed question. But you can understand that untapped talent is a big part of Tubby's problem, and is what generates fan frustration. Recruiting a team capable of #8 is great. Having that talent lose 8 of 11 games, get blown out by Iowa, struggle to get to 50 points for 2 months, and not receive a single vote in ranking 5 weeks later? Not so much. Also I'll add there is more to it, as Tubby's post game comments following losses have been perceived by many as throwing players under the bus, and not taking much accountability himself. Maybe he's right, but hasn't created much sympathy for him locally.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Which Gopher made that block on Oladipo's 3 pt attempt at the end? That was impressive in slo-mo.

 

[Ilov80s]

Huge win for Minny. Congrats. Probably saved Tubby's job for another year.

B1G this year is so good.

Are you kidding? Tubby's job was seriously in jeopardy?

Of course it was. The team had imploded in the Big 10 schedule in 2010 and 2011, and this third year they go from being ranked #8 earlier to not receiving a single vote in rankings last week. It's remarkable with this talent they could go from shoe-in NCAA to maybe on the outside looking in over 5 weeks, but it is a reoccuring issue. How it happened, struggling to get to 50 points with these scorers, is tough to watch. I don't personally agree he should be let go because I remember well the failure of previous post-Clem Haskins coaches. However, no way was Tubby generally considered untouchable after losing 8 of 11 with this roster. I don't see how they can miss the NCAA now, but let's say they lose the last 3 and do miss, I think there is legit chance he would be gone. Let's face it, the team has proved it is capable of playing Duke close and beating MSU and Indiana, but (in my scenario) loses 12 games? The great wins make the losses that much more inexplicable, and that has to reflect on coaching.

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.The Big Ten is brutal this year. Being the 6th best team is not a disgrace.

Minnesota might be 6th in the B10, but they are a top 20 team nationally IMO. They are a nightmare for a lot of teams come March Madness.

The team who lost by 21 at Iowa and 26 at OSU? Minnesota seems like a box of chocolates. They are going to have to show up at a neutral site and their offense seems to get stagnant at times. If it wasn't for Eliason, IU probably pulls away during that stretch. I like Minnesota but they seem like the rest of the teams hanging around the top 25, horribly inconsistent. Their ceiling is probably higher but so is their floor apparently.

Agree, you don't know what version of the Gophers you will get on any night. However, when the Gophers are on their game, they are a really tough match-up. They could choke and be knocked out in the first round, we have seen that version of the Gophers.We have also seen the version of Minnesota that has beaten IU, Memphis, and MSU. You bring up a good point that they have not played well on the road. I am optimistic about their chances. It kind of comes down to this, do you value big wins more than bad losses or vice versa?

 

[Frostillicus]

Which Gopher made that block on Oladipo's 3 pt attempt at the end? That was impressive in slo-mo.

Rodney Williams. Without hyperbole he might be the best athlete in the country. Looking forward to seeing him in the college dunk contest (no chance he doesn't get invited), assuming the Gophers don't make the Final 4.

 

[Frostillicus]

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.

Yes, understood. I'll preface a 2nd time I am/was not in favor of firing Tubby, and was merely answering a perplexed question. But you can understand that untapped talent is a big part of Tubby's problem, and is what generates fan frustration. Recruiting a team capable of #8 is great. Having that talent lose 8 of 11 games, get blown out by Iowa, struggle to get to 50 points for 2 months, and not receive a single vote in ranking 5 weeks later? Not so much. Also I'll add there is more to it, as Tubby's post game comments following losses have been perceived by many as throwing players under the bus, and not taking much accountability himself. Maybe he's right, but hasn't created much sympathy for him locally.

I think you'd have to live it to understand why there is so much angst directed at Tubby right now (well, prior to last night).

 

[Bull Dozier]

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.

Yes, understood. I'll preface a 2nd time I am/was not in favor of firing Tubby, and was merely answering a perplexed question. But you can understand that untapped talent is a big part of Tubby's problem, and is what generates fan frustration. Recruiting a team capable of #8 is great. Having that talent lose 8 of 11 games, get blown out by Iowa, struggle to get to 50 points for 2 months, and not receive a single vote in ranking 5 weeks later? Not so much. Also I'll add there is more to it, as Tubby's post game comments following losses have been perceived by many as throwing players under the bus, and not taking much accountability himself. Maybe he's right, but hasn't created much sympathy for him locally.

I think you'd have to live it to understand why there is so much angst directed at Tubby right now (well, prior to last night).

Going into last night, weren't they 3-(some ungodly number) in February over the last three years? That kind of consistent year end melt down gets old after a while.

 

[whoknew]

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.

Yes, understood. I'll preface a 2nd time I am/was not in favor of firing Tubby, and was merely answering a perplexed question. But you can understand that untapped talent is a big part of Tubby's problem, and is what generates fan frustration. Recruiting a team capable of #8 is great. Having that talent lose 8 of 11 games, get blown out by Iowa, struggle to get to 50 points for 2 months, and not receive a single vote in ranking 5 weeks later? Not so much. Also I'll add there is more to it, as Tubby's post game comments following losses have been perceived by many as throwing players under the bus, and not taking much accountability himself. Maybe he's right, but hasn't created much sympathy for him locally.

Fair enough. I don't follow them closely - other than as a Big Ten rival - so I didn't know. Just seemed a little strange from the outside.I think we can all agree that the Buckeyes suck, right?

 

[Frostillicus]

I get that they have had a tough Big Ten season - but Tubby is also the one who recruited the players to get to #8. With all due respect - its not like Minnesota is IU. It seems like he has pretty clearly increased the talent level there significantly.

Yes, understood. I'll preface a 2nd time I am/was not in favor of firing Tubby, and was merely answering a perplexed question. But you can understand that untapped talent is a big part of Tubby's problem, and is what generates fan frustration. Recruiting a team capable of #8 is great. Having that talent lose 8 of 11 games, get blown out by Iowa, struggle to get to 50 points for 2 months, and not receive a single vote in ranking 5 weeks later? Not so much. Also I'll add there is more to it, as Tubby's post game comments following losses have been perceived by many as throwing players under the bus, and not taking much accountability himself. Maybe he's right, but hasn't created much sympathy for him locally.

Fair enough. I don't follow them closely - other than as a Big Ten rival - so I didn't know. Just seemed a little strange from the outside.I think we can all agree that the Buckeyes suck, right?

Badgers, imo.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Which Gopher made that block on Oladipo's 3 pt attempt at the end? That was impressive in slo-mo.

Rodney Williams. Without hyperbole he might be the best athlete in the country. Looking forward to seeing him in the college dunk contest (no chance he doesn't get invited), assuming the Gophers don't make the Final 4.

Holy crud, found it here.That is an insane vertical.

 

[Gopher State]

Been 24 years since the Gophers beat the #1 team in the nation. How sweet it is.

 

[swirvenirvin]

Wow, didn't see that coming.

 

[Keerock]

Wow, didn't see that coming.

0-14? Wow!

 

[Garrett]

Never a dull night.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Loving this B1G season

 

[heckmanm]

Just got home - holy crap!

 

[Eviloutsider]

Makes the rest of the Big10 look weak.

 

[MAC_32]

Let's hope that was our tcu. Was watching Akron ou, didn't even know it was happening. Oof.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Badgers, imo.

Gophers in mine

Holy crud, found it here.

That is an insane vertical.

Wow!

Just got home - holy crap!

Things are getting very interesting for the regular season championship!

(3 losses) IU has: IA, OSU, @MI [predicted 4 losses]

(4 losses) MSU has: @MI, WI, NW [predicted 5 losses]

(4 losses) WI has: PU, @MSU, @PSU [predicted 5 losses]

(5 losses) MI has: MSU, @PU, IN [predicted 5 losses]

(5 losses) OSU has: @NW, @IN, IL [predicted 6 losses]

Using Sagarin Ratings with their home court advantage (3.31 points), I've bolded every game they predict a loss. Looks like all are favored in two of three left except MI, who will be favored in all.

You have to figure MI and OSU have to run the table and hope for a LOT to happen or they are out.

WI will have to beat MSU on the road or hope for IU to get beat by OSU & MI

MSU will likely need to win at MI and WI or hope for IU to get beat by OSU MI

IU can afford one loss, but 2 brings everyone above into play.



edited to add: IF all goes as Sagarin suggests with the exception of OSU winning @ Indiana; there will be a 5 way tie, with all the above having 5 losses

 

[Garrett]

IU can afford one loss, but 2 brings everyone above into play.

Excellent analysis, but I'll tell you right now Indiana will not lose 2 out of their last 3.

 

[The Commish]

WTF happened?! That's what I get for not watching HFS

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Wow, didn't see that coming.

I was afraid of it but figured UM had more than that and would at least get the W. It was a classic trap game...guys watching IU lose so the UM/MSU game was even bigger so they were looking past the hapless Lions. Poor leadership, poor effort, poor coaching. This is about as low as it can get. That said I'm pretty sure Sparty gets the Wolverines' best shot this weekend.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm pretty sure Sparty gets the Wolverines' best shot this weekend.

:fingerscrossed: Go MI! I truly don't know if I've ever said, or typed that.

 

[The Commish]

I'm pretty sure Sparty gets the Wolverines' best shot this weekend.

:fingerscrossed: Go MI! I truly don't know if I've ever said, or typed that.

We'll see. Given the youth, I wouldn't be surprised if they came out completely flat. Never can tell with this team. It's what makes me watch almost all their games.

 

[r0llin_game]

Oladipo and Zeller looked pretty pedestrian. Dipo had some points, but its not like he dominated the game.

Hopefully now the Oladipo for B1G player of the year talk will quiet down and the attention can be placed back on it's rightful owner....Trey Burke.

Awesome night with his 6 TO's for the runner up.

 

[The Commish]

Oladipo and Zeller looked pretty pedestrian. Dipo had some points, but its not like he dominated the game.

Hopefully now the Oladipo for B1G player of the year talk will quiet down and the attention can be placed back on it's rightful owner....Trey Burke.

Awesome night with his 6 TO's for the runner up.

I don't normally get into these "let's use one game to frame the ability of player X for the year" slapfights, but it's Saturday morning and I'm already bored. Is this for real?

 

[QuizGuy66]

Illini win another game they are supposed to -QG

 

[The General]

IU wins an ugly game. The refs were just brutal with the foul calls. Neither team could get in any flow really bad shooting on both sides, haven't seen IU shoot that bad at home all year.IU having some rebounding issues the past 2 games, gotta tighten that up quick.

 

[cj*]

Wisconsin=ooofffff

 

[jon_mx]

Michigan is 0-10 for 3's, getting out rebounded by 8 and are up by 4.

 

[sporthenry]

Michigan is 0-10 for 3's, getting out rebounded by 8 and are up by 4.

And MSU is shooting 33% and has 15 turnovers and is only down 8.

 

[sporthenry]

Might not be a dominant team this year but a ton of very good teams. Even with the obligatory upset or two, the E8 match ups should be pretty amazing. Maybe b/c of the lack of the dominant team, but it seems these very good teams are very deep and I'd be surprised to see too many Cinderellas this year.

 

[cj*]

Why does that not get thrown inside? Sparty gave it away.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Appling's play single-handedly causes the Spartans to lose again. Need more Trice and less of Appling until he can get his crap together

Make it three in a row, and this is the worst one yet. Guy is a complete liability out there. State wont go anywhere in the tourney with him as point guard.

 

[The Commish]

I think MSU had to have about 50 offensive rebounds today right?? holy crap! This team plays so much better with Morgan on the floor, but they have to do something about that rebounding.ETA: And what was that call at midcourt there at the end? I was on a TV that had no sound. Did they call a back court violation??

 

[jon_mx]

Why does that not get thrown inside? Sparty gave it away.

But after that mysterious out of bounds call, it was fitting.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I think MSU had to have about 50 offensive rebounds today right?? holy crap! This team plays so much better with Morgan on the floor, but they have to do something about that rebounding.ETA: And what was that call at midcourt there at the end? I was on a TV that had no sound. Did they call a back court violation??

It was back court and it was a correct call. The phantom out of bounds call was the bad one.

 

[sporthenry]

ETA: And what was that call at midcourt there at the end? I was on a TV that had no sound. Did they call a back court violation??

Yes. It was a tough call but probably right. It was a loose ball but McGary got possession and passed it back to Lavert whose foot was behind the line.