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Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (1 Viewer)

jrt103 said:
agreed.  Basically all homes games for Illinois gotta be a huge advantage
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Be interesting how hard tickets will be to get and their prices.   But Purdue, Michigan, Illinois, OSU fans will be a short commute. 

 
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With Livers almost certain not to be ready in the next two weeks, I would say Alsbama at +390 to make the final four is the best bet you could make in this tournament.  You are getting nearly 4 to 1 on what I see is closer to a coin toss. 

Of course what do I know, that meaningless three pointer by OSU at the buzzer cost me $600 on my Illinois +5.5.  Still made money though as I pick the illini to win the B10 at +350.  But could have been so much sweeter 

 
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jon_mx said:
In the least shocking news of the day...
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Yeah. I thought they might give him one more year. Tournament games being played in Assembly Hall this year had to be the final nail.

Was really pumped when they got Archie too.

Salt in the wound that other names that were on the short list are crushing in other spots and that Dayton last year was studly.

 
The General said:
Yeah. I thought they might give him one more year. Tournament games being played in Assembly Hall this year had to be the final nail.

Was really pumped when they got Archie too.

Salt in the wound that other names that were on the short list are crushing in other spots and that Dayton last year was studly.
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What names are available?  Pitino has resurrected his career.  Hookers and blow are always a big recruiting boost. 

 
whoknew said:
Looks like Minnesota is getting rid of Pitino also.
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This one is a no-brainer and has been talked about for weeks. The news is reporting UMN and Pitino "parted ways" rather than using the word "fired", so maybe they won't have to pay his entire buyout. Pitino apparently interviewed with New Mexico this weekend so maybe UMN and Pitino negotiated a smaller buyout and he doesn't get "fired".  

 
jon_mx said:
What names are available?  Pitino has resurrected his career.  Hookers and blow are always a big recruiting boost. 
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I haven’t looked yet. Hopefully we can finally find someone.

Pitino won’t be on the list :lol:  Crazy how good a coach he is though.

The guy I wanted when they got Archie turned out to be insane - Gregg Marshall from Witchita State.

 
Not sure there are too many profitable bets for making the sweet 16.  The few picks I like.

Purdue +116

Kansas +112

Bama  -154

Illini. -310

Villanova is the only thing in Purdue's way and is the only plus bet I like.  Maybe Kansas at +112 who has to get through USC.   Bama is not getting much respect and and should be a lock with Conn/Maryland unlikely to pull the upset.  Georgetown might give the Illini a bit of a fight.  Out of the group given the odds, Bama is the bet I am going in on.  

 
whoknew said:
No John Beilein?
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He was at the top of the list I saw in the Indy paper.

I was pretty meh on him, but need to look more. Felt kind of retreadish. Michigan people can weigh in on him. UM was cruising at the end of his run I remember.

Crean was peaking right when Brad Stevens was able. So wish that wasn’t happening (although Crean had a helluva a squad). We’d be set for 2 decades.

 
The General said:
He was at the top of the list I saw in the Indy paper.

I was pretty meh on him, but need to look more. Felt kind of retreadish. Michigan people can weigh in on him. UM was cruising at the end of his run I remember.

Crean was peaking right when Brad Stevens was able. So wish that wasn’t happening (although Crean had a helluva a squad). We’d be set for 2 decades.
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I can't imagine a Michigan folk would have a bad thing to say about him. He's a fantastic coach - greatest coach in M basketball history. And a good not great recruiter. 

If I were an IU fan, my only question would be whether JB still wants it at 68.

 
whoknew said:
I can't imagine a Michigan folk would have a bad thing to say about him. He's a fantastic coach - greatest coach in M basketball history. And a good not great recruiter. 

If I were an IU fan, my only question would be whether JB still wants it at 68.
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He was the highest odds in the Indy paper for what it’s worth. Eric Mussleman and Texas Tech guy were way up there too.

I don’t see how they keep ####### this up :lol:

Both hires though I liked so I’m to blame as well.

 
Beilein revived the michigan program.  Didn't seem to go after top 50 guys, but was outstanding at finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. Always has his teams peaking at the end.  Good Xs and Os  coach, but he may like his semj-retirement status.  

I would hire Bob knight for a day and let him retire

 
whoknew said:
I can't imagine a Michigan folk would have a bad thing to say about him. He's a fantastic coach - greatest coach in M basketball history. And a good not great recruiter. 

If I were an IU fan, my only question would be whether JB still wants it at 68.
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I'd say more that he focused on recruiting guys who would fit in his system, and preferably would stick around for a few years rather than uber-talented one-and-dones. He loves to coach kids, and everyone got significantly better each year they were here.

You'd be very lucky to get him.

 
jon_mx said:
Beilein revived the michigan program.  Didn't seem to go after top 50 guys, but was outstanding at finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. Always has his teams peaking at the end.  Good Xs and Os  coach, but he may like his semj-retirement status.  

I would hire Bob knight for a day and let him retire
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The bolded would be a huge departure from the past several year at IU. I can't remember the last team that didn't seem to fade in February/March

 
jon_mx said:
1981 or 1987. 
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Well that's the ideal, sure. Plenty of other good seasons that didn't end in a NC, though.

I guess 2016 is the year I was looking for - they were 8-2 in the last 10 regular season games.. Since then: 3-7, 4-6, 5-5, 4-6, and 3-7 this year.

Contrast with MSU, for example, who always seem to lose a couple of head-scratchers in December and then are just brutal to deal with in February and March.

 
Reading more about IU potential coaches, the swing for the fences hire to me is Alabama - Nate Oats.

Plays a fun style, has had great success at 2 stops.

 
heckmanm said:
The bolded would be a huge departure from the past several year at IU. I can't remember the last team that didn't seem to fade in February/March
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Crean had 2 years where the team was talented enough to win it all IMO.

He just was a maniac in close games, I was never confident when games were close. He had recruited a great team and did develop players really well. Just seeing him in games when the money was huge he looked like me sitting on my couch - like he was about to crap his pants :lol:

 
Fallout from Pitino - 

Minnesota star guard Marcus Carr has entered the transfer portal, sources told ESPN. Third-team All-Big Ten this season, averaged 19.4 points and 4.9 assists.

 
Brutal game for Ohio St.  Bad passes, horrible D...they don’t look interested.  Maybe Washington should jack some more shots up.

 
So, I'm not trying to make excuses, but I think the biggest problem with B1G 10 teams is the timing of the B1G 10 tournament.  I mean, if you take Ohio State (for example) - Ohio State played four DAMN physical, DAMN difficult games in a row - Thursday 3/11, Friday 3/12, Saturday 3/13 and Sunday 3/14 all 4 in a row.  Again, so four very physical, very demanding, emotional games and then on just 4 days rest they turned around and played a very fresh Oral Roberts who played their tournament final game on Tuesday March 9th. So Oral Roberts played on 10 days rest/preparation vs Ohio State's 4 days rest, it's just silly and short sighted on the B1G 10's part in my humble opinion.  

Of course, I'm not at all saying that's taking ANYTHING away from ORU's win, I'm just saying the B1G 10 conference needs to smarten up and look at the long term picture and push that tournament back at LEAST one week, maybe more, in order to have their conference represented teams fresher and more competitive for the NCAA tournament, that's all.

 
Sullie said:
So, I'm not trying to make excuses, but I think the biggest problem with B1G 10 teams is the timing of the B1G 10 tournament.  I mean, if you take Ohio State (for example) - Ohio State played four DAMN physical, DAMN difficult games in a row - Thursday 3/11, Friday 3/12, Saturday 3/13 and Sunday 3/14 all 4 in a row.  Again, so four very physical, very demanding, emotional games and then on just 4 days rest they turned around and played a very fresh Oral Roberts who played their tournament final game on Tuesday March 9th. So Oral Roberts played on 10 days rest/preparation vs Ohio State's 4 days rest, it's just silly and short sighted on the B1G 10's part in my humble opinion.  

Of course, I'm not at all saying that's taking ANYTHING away from ORU's win, I'm just saying the B1G 10 conference needs to smarten up and look at the long term picture and push that tournament back at LEAST one week, maybe more, in order to have their conference represented teams fresher and more competitive for the NCAA tournament, that's all.
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Just four days rest? That's an eternity in basketball, especially in March. 

 
Sullie said:
So, I'm not trying to make excuses, but I think the biggest problem with B1G 10 teams is the timing of the B1G 10 tournament.  I mean, if you take Ohio State (for example) - Ohio State played four DAMN physical, DAMN difficult games in a row - Thursday 3/11, Friday 3/12, Saturday 3/13 and Sunday 3/14 all 4 in a row.  Again, so four very physical, very demanding, emotional games and then on just 4 days rest they turned around and played a very fresh Oral Roberts who played their tournament final game on Tuesday March 9th. So Oral Roberts played on 10 days rest/preparation vs Ohio State's 4 days rest, it's just silly and short sighted on the B1G 10's part in my humble opinion.  

Of course, I'm not at all saying that's taking ANYTHING away from ORU's win, I'm just saying the B1G 10 conference needs to smarten up and look at the long term picture and push that tournament back at LEAST one week, maybe more, in order to have their conference represented teams fresher and more competitive for the NCAA tournament, that's all.
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All the major conferences play their tournament that weekend. It hasn't hurt them (in general).

 
Rutgers made it to the tournament for the first time since I was a freshman there and then upset Clemson in the 1st round so I can't complain.  From a conference perspective I'm shocked, though.  Along with everyone else, I expected much more as a whole from them.

 
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