bigbottom
Footballguy
Oh no. This is just to have your car brought around. The valets still expect a cash tip.
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Bill Maher on Reverse Improvement (1 Viewer)
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Oh no. This is just to have your car brought around. The valets still expect a cash tip.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
This is where most of my frustration lies. I hate my phone and would like to use it way less, not have to use it for every detail of our lives.
NutterButter
Footballguy
He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
bigbottom
Footballguy
He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
That’s not how it works in my city. It’s only to bring my car around. I still am expected to tip the valet driver with cash. It would actually be worse if I had to manually input my credit card information into a web platform for a $5 tip every time I went to dinner at a nice restaurant.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Younger generations want to use their phones for everything though and they are going to be around a lot longer than us. My mom hates using her computer for everything because things can get hacked, things can be messed up and she wishes everyone still went to the bank and before she retires she hated getting emails for everything etc. Same story, new generation.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Want <> good for our society. I've seen enough stats and studies on how we feel more depressed, isolated, etc.. Many of these issues (especially in young women) seem to have not coincidentally correlated to us walking around with this tech in our pockets. IMO it's been a big net negative on our culture, but I also realize that make me sound like the grumpy old fart that some of you think Maher is being, so
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NutterButter
Footballguy
Did you have to create an account like Bill did and why? I wouldn't mind the payment if I was already on some website since you're just choosing from cards stored in your browser. I'm kinda surprised they don't have that option since less and less people carry cash these days.He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
That’s not how it works in my city. It’s only to bring my car around. I still am expected to tip the valet driver with cash. It would actually be worse if I had to manually input my credit card information into a web platform for a $5 tip every time I went to dinner at a nice restaurant.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Did you have to create an account like Bill did and why? I wouldn't mind the payment if I was already on some website since you're just choosing from cards stored in your browser. I'm kinda surprised they don't have that option since less and less people carry cash these days.He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
That’s not how it works in my city. It’s only to bring my car around. I still am expected to tip the valet driver with cash. It would actually be worse if I had to manually input my credit card information into a web platform for a $5 tip every time I went to dinner at a nice restaurant.
The way it’s worked for me is that instead of giving you a ticket, they ask for your cell number. I don’t like giving my cell number out unnecessarily so that is strike one. So I have to stand there and recite my number while they punch it into some handheld device. They read the number back to me. 50% of the time they get it wrong, so I have to continue to stand there while I repeat my number and they type it in.
Once that is done, I receive a text. So now yet another online system has my cell number, in addition to the valet guy.
When I am ready to leave after dinner, I pull out my phone, go to the text and click the link. The link takes me to a web portal of some sort. Once in the portal, I have to hunt around to find the button or link to let them know I am ready. Sometimes I have to hit a couple different buttons to confirm. Once I do that, a message is sent to the valet to get my car.
For me, that’s a bunch of unnecessary work when I could just hand the valet my ticket. And I wouldn’t have to give out my cell number. It does arguably save a couple minutes because I can signal the valet from my table rather than waiting at the valet stand, but in my experience this approach generally creates way more confusion at the stand because the valets pull up cars for people who haven’t come out yet and things get backed up. If everyone is there waiting for their car, which is what happens with the paper ticket approach, the cars leave as soon as they are pulled up.
And yes, it’s expected that I still tip the valet with cash as in my experience there is no payment platform on the portal.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Not really. What it is is a bunch of examples where iterative technological advances have made things less efficient and degraded the user experience. And also, it has led us to interact far less with other people and far more with screens (in restaurants, at the airport, etc.)
MAC_32
Footballguy
That is kinda what minimalism is, it's combating consumption with simplicity. Almost all of my notifications are some form of muted and it's very rare we channel surf. Sat down on the couch and turned the Cavs on an hour ago, doubt we change the channel again, although this is rather ugly. But all that did was prompt looking at my phone- 27 new texts and 11 emails since ~5:30, all delivered silently waiting for me to decide to read them, cause I was preoccupied with family.
NutterButter
Footballguy
"Once in the portal, I have to hunt around to find the button or link to let them know I am ready"Did you have to create an account like Bill did and why? I wouldn't mind the payment if I was already on some website since you're just choosing from cards stored in your browser. I'm kinda surprised they don't have that option since less and less people carry cash these days.He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
That’s not how it works in my city. It’s only to bring my car around. I still am expected to tip the valet driver with cash. It would actually be worse if I had to manually input my credit card information into a web platform for a $5 tip every time I went to dinner at a nice restaurant.
The way it’s worked for me is that instead of giving you a ticket, they ask for your cell number. I don’t like giving my cell number out unnecessarily so that is strike one. So I have to stand there and recite my number while they punch it into some handheld device. They read the number back to me. 50% of the time they get it wrong, so I have to continue to stand there while I repeat my number and they type it in.
Once that is done, I receive a text. So now yet another online system has my cell number, in addition to the valet guy.
When I am ready to leave after dinner, I pull out my phone, go to the text and click the link. The link takes me to a web portal of some sort. Once in the portal, I have to hunt around to find the button or link to let them know I am ready. Sometimes I have to hit a couple different buttons to confirm. Once I do that, a message is sent to the valet to get my car.
For me, that’s a bunch of unnecessary work when I could just hand the valet my ticket. And I wouldn’t have to give out my cell number. It does arguably save a couple minutes because I can signal the valet from my table rather than waiting at the valet stand, but in my experience this approach generally creates way more confusion at the stand because the valets pull up cars for people who haven’t come out yet and things get backed up. If everyone is there waiting for their car, which is what happens with the paper ticket approach, the cars leave as soon as they are pulled up.
And yes, it’s expected that I still tip the valet with cash as in my experience there is no payment platform on the portal.
What else is on the portal? Should be one gigantic button that says "get me my car". The phone number approach is what I'm used to. No idea what Bill was talking about with a qr code at the table. I really just loathe valet in general though. I'll park my own car and keep my 5 bucks thank you very much.
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rockaction
Footballguy
bigbottom is describing the condition we're in; you're describing the response you've chosen to give it and advocated other people do it that way. That's cool, and makes sense, but what he's describing isn't minimalism at all. It's what corporations and entities are doing to make it so you have to use technology and jump through more hoops to live your daily existence.
I hope I've done it all justice here.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
He is a comedian, it is possible he was being a bit hyperbolic for laughs as well.
rockaction
Footballguy
Some sage words.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I also get that since I hate tech like that I do very little to try to learn and adapt to it. I will own that part of the conversation.
Also, maybe people have far better experiences as well. Just at my job we now have a fun payroll/scheduling app that never seems to work and the employees can't read their schedules, so they call in more to ask when they work and miss shifts more often. A few years ago I used to walk out of that store and not have to think about it, now we have a fun system of communication that has me checking my phone that thinking about that place at home. I manage a fast food joint, ffs. Way too many things require yet another reason for me to pull out my phone to operate or set off a notification.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Did you have to create an account like Bill did and why? I wouldn't mind the payment if I was already on some website since you're just choosing from cards stored in your browser. I'm kinda surprised they don't have that option since less and less people carry cash these days.He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
That’s not how it works in my city. It’s only to bring my car around. I still am expected to tip the valet driver with cash. It would actually be worse if I had to manually input my credit card information into a web platform for a $5 tip every time I went to dinner at a nice restaurant.
Maybe I'm a dinosaur but I almost always have cash on hand. I tip in cash as often as possible. Restaurants, bars, haircuts, vallets....
Cash is king.
WDIK2
Footballguy
Airport bars/restaurants. For some reason my phone camera only works half the time to bring up the menu so I really look old when I sit there struggling with it. The bartender at the El Paso airport a couple weeks ago was nice enough to notice and hand me a paper menu.
NutterButter
Footballguy
That's for ordering food. He was scanning one at the table to retrieve his car from valet. What's that about?
NutterButter
Footballguy
Nah, we're from that generation but I also like my rewards points so I just stopped paying for things with cash. But now a couple of restaurants we frequent give a 5% discount for cash and my girlfriend gives me cash a lot to contribute so cash is back. But forget it with young people. I'd be suprised if they even carry around credit cards. Its all phone payments.Did you have to create an account like Bill did and why? I wouldn't mind the payment if I was already on some website since you're just choosing from cards stored in your browser. I'm kinda surprised they don't have that option since less and less people carry cash these days.He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
That’s not how it works in my city. It’s only to bring my car around. I still am expected to tip the valet driver with cash. It would actually be worse if I had to manually input my credit card information into a web platform for a $5 tip every time I went to dinner at a nice restaurant.
Maybe I'm a dinosaur but I almost always have cash on hand. I tip in cash as often as possible. Restaurants, bars, haircuts, vallets....
Cash is king.
bigbottom
Footballguy
"Once in the portal, I have to hunt around to find the button or link to let them know I am ready"Did you have to create an account like Bill did and why? I wouldn't mind the payment if I was already on some website since you're just choosing from cards stored in your browser. I'm kinda surprised they don't have that option since less and less people carry cash these days.He does say "send the money electronically to the valet".
That’s not how it works in my city. It’s only to bring my car around. I still am expected to tip the valet driver with cash. It would actually be worse if I had to manually input my credit card information into a web platform for a $5 tip every time I went to dinner at a nice restaurant.
The way it’s worked for me is that instead of giving you a ticket, they ask for your cell number. I don’t like giving my cell number out unnecessarily so that is strike one. So I have to stand there and recite my number while they punch it into some handheld device. They read the number back to me. 50% of the time they get it wrong, so I have to continue to stand there while I repeat my number and they type it in.
Once that is done, I receive a text. So now yet another online system has my cell number, in addition to the valet guy.
When I am ready to leave after dinner, I pull out my phone, go to the text and click the link. The link takes me to a web portal of some sort. Once in the portal, I have to hunt around to find the button or link to let them know I am ready. Sometimes I have to hit a couple different buttons to confirm. Once I do that, a message is sent to the valet to get my car.
For me, that’s a bunch of unnecessary work when I could just hand the valet my ticket. And I wouldn’t have to give out my cell number. It does arguably save a couple minutes because I can signal the valet from my table rather than waiting at the valet stand, but in my experience this approach generally creates way more confusion at the stand because the valets pull up cars for people who haven’t come out yet and things get backed up. If everyone is there waiting for their car, which is what happens with the paper ticket approach, the cars leave as soon as they are pulled up.
And yes, it’s expected that I still tip the valet with cash as in my experience there is no payment platform on the portal.
You would think! You often have to page or scroll past ads.
I haven’t seen a QR code at the table for valet. But I have seen them a ton for ordering food/drink. Heaven forbid you have a question about the menu and want to talk to a person.
bigbottom
Footballguy
That’s awesome. Good for you - I should take that approach more often. But Bill is not anti-channel surfing - he is complaining about how it is now more difficult to channel surf.
TheBaylorKid
Footballguy
platform decay - is the term used to describe the pattern in which online products and services decline in quality over time.
Tech blogger and science fiction author Cory Doctorow has a, more colorful term he uses for platform decay.
Tech blogger and science fiction author Cory Doctorow has a, more colorful term he uses for platform decay.
bigbottom
Footballguy
bigbottom
Footballguy
Yeah, soccer is a pain. Even if you’re only following one EPL team, I think you need Peacock for league games, Paramount+ for Champions/Europa League, and ESPN+ for FA Cup. If there is a simpler approach, please let me know!
I imagine we might see this with music one day. Right now, I can stream most anything I want to on Spotify. But what happens when the music licensing outlets or the companies that own publishing rights start launching their own streaming services and you now have to hunt across four or five different services to hear the song you want to rock out to. That 80s goth playlist you want to put together will now be impossible on a single streaming platform. I can see it happening.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I will go to my grave with cash in my pocket. It is the friction that keeps this world grinding along.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Correct, although unfortunately Peacock alone isn’t enough to see all the English League games because there are a few games every week on NBC and USA channels, so you need access to those to be certain to see your team every week. I agree with you on the music services. Anything that seems inexpensive and convenient now is probably going to change soon enough.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I don’t pine for the days of needing a clear view of the southern sky to watch out of market games.
Sullie
Footballguy
I haven't read the whole thread but unlike mac I actually did watch the video so I can properly formulate my opinion instead of speculating, swinging and missing the point spectacularly. . . sorry mac, just watch the video it's like 8 1/2 minutes long.
1.) I'm sorry but he's wrong about YouTube TV, in fact, for sports YTT is pretty much perfect. Hands down a better experience than cable, DirecTV or any other provider I've ever had, there's no comparison. The other thing is, I don't know if he actually knows how to operate a remote control but one can quite literally, record EVERTHING by simply selecting it, select record every NFL game and it's there forever. I don't know how it could possibly get any easier nor better than that. No hard drive to fill up, no equipment to maintain, etc. The ability to record everything you could possibly ever want is amazing. Lastly, not to beat down a point, but in YouTube TV, I don't know why he doesn't know this, but you can switch to a live sporting event you weren't watching (pick one, any one of them) and catch up on the action by watching the highlights that happened previously in that sporting event commercial free. . . quoting project farm. . very impressive!
2.) The problem is the stupid Thursday game on Amazon. That is the problem with the NFL. It's dumb, no-one watches it (unless you're a football addict like me), so I watch it reluctantly. . . kinda if the game is decent, the players don't want to play it, it's a greedy cash grab and it's buried over on Amazon. Granted, it looks spectacular, Amazon is using some sort of next generation cameras and the picture is stunningly good. The issue is that you have to exit out of whatever you're watching, go to Amazon, drill down into menu layers, click on the game, carefully make sure you don't pick the Spanish language version, and you're greeted with Al Michaels and Herbie where you get to play Herbism's bingo. "Hat on hat, tackle in space, big boy pants, team identity, etc." The best thing about Herbie is that he's not Chris Collinsworth.
3.) DirecTV, to me, was ground zero for R.I. - DirecTV gave you crappy used equipment, forced you pay rent for that crappy used equipment in order to watch TV in every room in your house with a TV, made you attach a piece of crap to your roof and made you responsible to remove it when you finally came to your senses. . . thanks! And that pos disc shaped, glorified rabbit ear would promptly stop working in any kind of weather event including rain, snow, light drizzle, clouds, wind and the neighbor farting apparently. I'm sorry but DirecTV was overall a miserable experience and the whole scummy "let me go talk to my manager to get you a lower rate" schtick had all the same vibes of a buy here pay here used car lot. . . except all the DirecTV equipment I ever received smelled worse and looked more beat up than a 72 Pinto. And I know DirecTV has an app now, but I'm still so ticked off with how I was treated by DirecTV that I will never go back. The straw that broke the camel's back was that aside from the fact that price kept going up year after year with nothing to really show for it, another one of my pos used DVR boxes failed again for the 2nd or 3rd time in a 2- or 3-year span. In the past, I would request a replacement unit, they would send me a used, beat-up unit and I would send the broken unit back and that was that. This time I requested a brand-new unit, but they countered with "no, we can't do that, but we can send you a used one plus I was told I would have to pay some amount of money for that used unit (I think it was $200 + S&H) while continuing to pay a rental fee of $10 per month." That did it for me. I cancelled right on the spot, and I told myself "This company will never get another penny out of me, I'm done!"
4.) PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT - Please don't EVER scan QR codes.
5.) The rest of the rant, well, he's not wrong and I'm an IT guy. I often ask, "why are we doing this, what do we get out of this, what's the point of me wasting another evening or weekend on upgrades?" I just spent the last 2 hours patching servers. Guess what a good day for me is? No-one noticed I patched the servers. A typical day is "did you patch the servers or something, everything is f-ing slow today. . . thanks!"
1.) I'm sorry but he's wrong about YouTube TV, in fact, for sports YTT is pretty much perfect. Hands down a better experience than cable, DirecTV or any other provider I've ever had, there's no comparison. The other thing is, I don't know if he actually knows how to operate a remote control but one can quite literally, record EVERTHING by simply selecting it, select record every NFL game and it's there forever. I don't know how it could possibly get any easier nor better than that. No hard drive to fill up, no equipment to maintain, etc. The ability to record everything you could possibly ever want is amazing. Lastly, not to beat down a point, but in YouTube TV, I don't know why he doesn't know this, but you can switch to a live sporting event you weren't watching (pick one, any one of them) and catch up on the action by watching the highlights that happened previously in that sporting event commercial free. . . quoting project farm. . very impressive!
2.) The problem is the stupid Thursday game on Amazon. That is the problem with the NFL. It's dumb, no-one watches it (unless you're a football addict like me), so I watch it reluctantly. . . kinda if the game is decent, the players don't want to play it, it's a greedy cash grab and it's buried over on Amazon. Granted, it looks spectacular, Amazon is using some sort of next generation cameras and the picture is stunningly good. The issue is that you have to exit out of whatever you're watching, go to Amazon, drill down into menu layers, click on the game, carefully make sure you don't pick the Spanish language version, and you're greeted with Al Michaels and Herbie where you get to play Herbism's bingo. "Hat on hat, tackle in space, big boy pants, team identity, etc." The best thing about Herbie is that he's not Chris Collinsworth.
3.) DirecTV, to me, was ground zero for R.I. - DirecTV gave you crappy used equipment, forced you pay rent for that crappy used equipment in order to watch TV in every room in your house with a TV, made you attach a piece of crap to your roof and made you responsible to remove it when you finally came to your senses. . . thanks! And that pos disc shaped, glorified rabbit ear would promptly stop working in any kind of weather event including rain, snow, light drizzle, clouds, wind and the neighbor farting apparently. I'm sorry but DirecTV was overall a miserable experience and the whole scummy "let me go talk to my manager to get you a lower rate" schtick had all the same vibes of a buy here pay here used car lot. . . except all the DirecTV equipment I ever received smelled worse and looked more beat up than a 72 Pinto. And I know DirecTV has an app now, but I'm still so ticked off with how I was treated by DirecTV that I will never go back. The straw that broke the camel's back was that aside from the fact that price kept going up year after year with nothing to really show for it, another one of my pos used DVR boxes failed again for the 2nd or 3rd time in a 2- or 3-year span. In the past, I would request a replacement unit, they would send me a used, beat-up unit and I would send the broken unit back and that was that. This time I requested a brand-new unit, but they countered with "no, we can't do that, but we can send you a used one plus I was told I would have to pay some amount of money for that used unit (I think it was $200 + S&H) while continuing to pay a rental fee of $10 per month." That did it for me. I cancelled right on the spot, and I told myself "This company will never get another penny out of me, I'm done!"
4.) PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT - Please don't EVER scan QR codes.
5.) The rest of the rant, well, he's not wrong and I'm an IT guy. I often ask, "why are we doing this, what do we get out of this, what's the point of me wasting another evening or weekend on upgrades?" I just spent the last 2 hours patching servers. Guess what a good day for me is? No-one noticed I patched the servers. A typical day is "did you patch the servers or something, everything is f-ing slow today. . . thanks!"
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I’ve started leaving my phone at home when I go to hang out with friends or watch a game or play cards. I leave it in the car if I’m going out to dinner with my family. I went to two different superbowl parties in my neighborhood and didn’t have it all night. I don’t really notice and don’t think anyone else does either except maybe my wife.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Want <> good for our society. I've seen enough stats and studies on how we feel more depressed, isolated, etc.. Many of these issues (especially in young women) seem to have not coincidentally correlated to us walking around with this tech in our pockets. IMO it's been a big net negative on our culture, but I also realize that make me sound like the grumpy old fart that some of you think Maher is being, so
Part of this might be true, but I would argue that our diets, sleep, hours and stress at work etc play a bigger role in the rise in depression.
FairWarning
Footballguy
It’s not a matter of if but when. I can’t believe the NFL hasn't done this (not advocating for it).
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
My counter argument is that when you look at stats, there is a very sharp rise in the factors I brought up in the late 00s, again especially among young girls/women.Want <> good for our society. I've seen enough stats and studies on how we feel more depressed, isolated, etc.. Many of these issues (especially in young women) seem to have not coincidentally correlated to us walking around with this tech in our pockets. IMO it's been a big net negative on our culture, but I also realize that make me sound like the grumpy old fart that some of you think Maher is being, so
Part of this might be true, but I would argue that our diets, sleep, hours and stress at work etc play a bigger role in the rise in depression.
Our diets have been terrible for decades, I'd guess our sleep has been as well (especially for that younger demographic), and jobs have been stressful all the while as well (and having jobs is now less common for some of those demographics as well). Yes, you can see a rise in those feelings for years over time, but IMO something has to account for the sharp rise in these factors around that 2008 time frame for the spike to be that big.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Ive been yelling this in the pet peeve thread for awhile.
Analog was by far the best. Plug it it, turn knob, bam! its working! That equipment also would work if you dropped it off the roof onto a driveway in a thunderstorm. Now I have to log in, load profile, change profile, pick an app, wait for the app to load, choose a profile for that app,.....on and on. Thread is three pages of other examples Im sure.
Analog was by far the best. Plug it it, turn knob, bam! its working! That equipment also would work if you dropped it off the roof onto a driveway in a thunderstorm. Now I have to log in, load profile, change profile, pick an app, wait for the app to load, choose a profile for that app,.....on and on. Thread is three pages of other examples Im sure.
MTskibum
Footballguy
From what I have read pay per view wouldn't support the NFL's current economic model. TV stations and streaming pay more money for a game than what they get back.
Cable companies and streaming services use the NFL as loss leaders to drive subscriptions.
The NFL is overvaluated based on how much money they get from consumers that don't even care about the NFL and want the NFL gone from netflix, amazon, etc.
the moops
Footballguy
Yea I'm with you on this. Guy is not funny and all these complaints were pretty sillyI have never watched Bill Maher, I don't think he is very funny at all and i cringed at some of his jokes.
Complaining about Valet, what was the next clip complaining about personal butlers?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
One thing that annoys me now and correct me if I am wrong. Nothing to do with updates.
When Sirius Radio first came out and I have had it since the early days. I thought the selling point was no commercials, no talking, just the music you choose. Now the DJs are just like the old DJs, in fact they are the old DJs, telling stories, talking about what they did over the weekend, giving tidbits of info about a band all between songs.
I go to different channels and they are all doing it. Has that always been the case?
When Sirius Radio first came out and I have had it since the early days. I thought the selling point was no commercials, no talking, just the music you choose. Now the DJs are just like the old DJs, in fact they are the old DJs, telling stories, talking about what they did over the weekend, giving tidbits of info about a band all between songs.
I go to different channels and they are all doing it. Has that always been the case?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Sure, but much of that is because the "innovations" are now designed to keep us on our phones and their sites as long as possible to sell more crap and ad space, not to make our lives easier and more efficient. Which is what he is complaining about.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Depended on the channel & program host. Some would play sets of music, then tell the listener who they played and may add that one of the artists is going on tour. Others - like Phlash on the 60s channel - would take calls from listeners for a request and ask them where they're from, etc.... Maybe on some of the channels I didn't listen to, they chattered more.
I came over from the XM side (I think I got them in 2003) and that's how I remember it being back before the merger. I don't know what Sirius was doing back then. I know that, post-merger, thye whole thing got more FM-like in certain areas.
Jaysus
Good times!
oof... that was a tough bit to watch. That is not my kind of comedy at all.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If I had my bluetooth headphones in when I came across this last night, I would've, but the wife was comfortable resting on my legs on our L couch, I wasn't moving to go fetch them, and I know her - this sorta content stresses her out. Now I'm working, don't have a job in which it's easy to watch an 8 1/2 minute video, am bailing at lunch, picking up some stuff for tomorrow, going for a run, getting a massage, then meeting the wife at trivia, and others at a different bar for rd 2 after.
I share that because what you're suggesting is exactly the sort of over-consumption I actively avoid. Could I etch out the time to watch? Of course, but it runs counter to today's priorities. I may look at something on a device outside of texts after I check out of work today, I may not. This is the sorta subject that interests me though, which is why I was inquiring to get a summary without actually watching. Rock helped me understand that what I was sharing was a response to the environment Maher was describing.
It takes intentional effort, but us humans have the ability to act counter to our corporate overlords goals.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
I do like Apps for paying for parking
You think lack of sleep and stress aren't tied to phone usage and social media? I would guess that those two things contribute more to lack of sleep and stress than almost anything else
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That isn't what I said, I just don't believe the bulk of our depression issues are related to social media and the internet.
I believe our depression issues started before the invention of these things and there are many layers to it and blaming a majority of it on social media is lazy and convenient because there are parts that aren't perfect or that we don't like.
Stress and bad sleep predate social media.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I agree. Individually it's still hard, but doable. However, society wide it would be almost impossible at this point. Mostly because as we see in this thread, there is nowhere near a consensus on what the tech and apps are doing to us or what the intent of these companies are.
