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**Bills at Chiefs** (-1, 48.5) 4:25 (1 Viewer)
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I was going to say, it’s funny that some Chiefs fans were complaining about Von Miller not getting called for offsides on the next play (he wasn’t). When you look at the screenshots they’re posting, the OTs sure seem like they’re lined up well behind the center.
I get that thinking you won the game only to find out that your winning play got cancelled out by penalty sucks. Trust me, Bills fans know this all too well. But it’s one thing to complain when it’s a legitimately bad call that the refs are just flat out wrong about, but that’s just not what happened here. To be that outraged and throwing that much of tantrums over a clearly correct call just because they think that the penalty committed wasn’t a big deal is crazy to me.
The worst part to me is that the initial reaction/frustration I can even get a bit and would have been willing to give a pass on as emotions were obviously high in the moment (though I did think Mahomes’s conversation with Josh after the game was pretty small).
But to get a chance to see the film afterwards and still be that fired us is pretty lame. It wasn’t like they saw it and then afterwards said that they’re disappointed that that call was made in that moment but they understood it was a penalty and they need to play better to win. No, they put the entire loss on the refs, ripped the league, and Mahomes went so far off the deep end as to claim that that call could affect Kelce’s HOF chances.
JAA
Footballguy
Kelce got called for it on a tush push IIRC. Cost the Eagles a needed 1st down. Im sure if the refs let it go the Eagles would have won!!11!!1!
efactor
Footballguy
Well, I agree it was an entertaining play but far from “great” and certainly not “one of the greatest plays in NFL history”. Hence the lol over a huge dose of hyperboleMany do, if the flag isn't thrown, doubt anyone would have called them on it and we'd be discussing one of the greatest plays in NFL historyNo they don’t lol- YouTube
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NFL fans feel they were robbed of what was perhaps one of the greatest plays in NFL History
-It reminded everyone of this play over 40 years ago.
I don't see why that's so funny but it certainly is true for many
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Are you serious?
I was there in the Orange Bowl with some friends. 41 years ago! The Orange Bowl was electric, people standing most of the game after the hook and lateral. Lots of drama - Shula benched Woodley for Strock early in the game. The hook and lateral. A missed Miami FG to win the game. An epic performance by Winslow receiving and blocking a FG attempt. The Orange Bowl because of proximity to the field and the metal bleachers and steel structure was the noisest place to play football.- YouTube
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NFL fans feel they were robbed of what was perhaps one of the greatest plays in NFL History
-It reminded everyone of this play over 40 years ago.
Anyone who has watched KC this year knows that offensive penalties have killed them. They lead the league in offensive holding calls with 22. The league average is 14. I’ve seen at least 3 touchdowns called back this year because of penalties. Maybe they should spend more time focusing on that rather than complaining about the refs.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
A better Miami one: https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/1161315386077270017This one is better than that crappy Dolphin one
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efactor
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I can actually picture Cosell making the call and Dandy Don doing his drunk laugh (even if he wasn’t drunk). Good times watching MNF in the 70s.Hyperbole is what MOP DOES. It’s best if you read his posts on a Howard Cosell voice.Well, I agree it was an entertaining play but far from “great” and certainly not “one of the greatest plays in NFL history”. Hence the lol over a huge dose of hyperboleMany do, if the flag isn't thrown, doubt anyone would have called them on it and we'd be discussing one of the greatest plays in NFL historyNo they don’t lol- YouTube
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NFL fans feel they were robbed of what was perhaps one of the greatest plays in NFL History
-It reminded everyone of this play over 40 years ago.
I don't see why that's so funny but it certainly is true for many
It would have been considered one of the best plays of this year. Would it be remembered after this year? Probably only by Chiefs fans.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its strange how Jawaan Taylor continues to line up deep off the center, even in key situations, and still frequently moves early despite drawing so much attention for it back in week 1. Its like he's daring the refs to call him on it. In a sense I can understand Reid and Mahomes' outrage on the call yesterday because they probably have every reason to expect officials will not call an offensive pre-snap formation penalty in key situation.
moleculo
Footballguy
Exactly. The Chiefs get away with so much garbage that they are accustomed to refs looking the other way.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
But it's not. A friend sent me a clip from ESPN where Rex Ryan said those warnings are almost always for linemen (offense or defense). Rex Ryan said in his years as a head coach, he never once got a warning from an official about a receiver being lined up offsides.
But it is. Andy Reid said they normally get a warning from the official. I'm not doubting if Rex Ryan ever got one or not.
Absolutely.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Look, Kadarious made a boneheaded play, and that has been his MO since he was at UF. All the talent in the world, but his heart and head just don't seem to be in it. To single out the Ref when all it takes is a second to be sure you are properly set just shows either a lack of coaching or a head case.
Miami gets some of these presnap things bc Tyreek turns up field a 1/2 sec before the ball is snapped. Lamar looked away from the center and the ball got snapped for a safety. Toney lined up offsides. SInce the tush push refs are looking at that more.
It sucks bc it was a heck of a play by Kelce and as a Dolphin fan the demise of the bills is something I relish, but they had 2 more plays and didn't get anywhere.
Miami gets some of these presnap things bc Tyreek turns up field a 1/2 sec before the ball is snapped. Lamar looked away from the center and the ball got snapped for a safety. Toney lined up offsides. SInce the tush push refs are looking at that more.
It sucks bc it was a heck of a play by Kelce and as a Dolphin fan the demise of the bills is something I relish, but they had 2 more plays and didn't get anywhere.
moleculo
Footballguy
Are you implying that Andy Reid and the Chiefs are used to being afforded treatment that a coach like Rex Ryan did not receive?
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
All the best teams and players get that. The Chiefs are the new Pats in that regard. Philly is as well.I hope the Dolphins will one day be in the "rare air" that when they miss a play obvioulsy it was bc someone fouled us.
I'm still a bit in shock at how Reid and Mahomes handled this. It was objectively a penalty, no question. It has been called 11 times so far this year. The flag went up right away, not after the results of the play were known. Most of the players on the field saw the flag, so that may have impacted their performance on that play. The Chiefs had 3 more attempts to get in field goal range and failed.
All of those factors led me to believe the Chiefs, who may have gotten an important call or two in the last few years, would just own it, say the right things, and move on. The fact that two figures as revered (rightly so) as mahomes and reid did the exact opposite, leads me to believe that things are not good in KC. That felt like the venting of something way bigger than this one call. My ONLY beef with Mahomes has been the rush to annoint him the GOAT before his career was over. I still think he is a long way from that title, if, however, he is to reach GOAT status, he needs some real adversity to overcome. It feels like Brady had a half dozen low points and a big part of his greatness was his perseverence through those times. Brady totally would have lost his mind on the field, but I can't imagine him talking to Peyton Manning like Mahomes spoke to Josh Allen after the game.
All of those factors led me to believe the Chiefs, who may have gotten an important call or two in the last few years, would just own it, say the right things, and move on. The fact that two figures as revered (rightly so) as mahomes and reid did the exact opposite, leads me to believe that things are not good in KC. That felt like the venting of something way bigger than this one call. My ONLY beef with Mahomes has been the rush to annoint him the GOAT before his career was over. I still think he is a long way from that title, if, however, he is to reach GOAT status, he needs some real adversity to overcome. It feels like Brady had a half dozen low points and a big part of his greatness was his perseverence through those times. Brady totally would have lost his mind on the field, but I can't imagine him talking to Peyton Manning like Mahomes spoke to Josh Allen after the game.
moleculo
Footballguy
Well, they have lost 4 of their last 6 games. Losing tends to amplify stress.
Gut check time. Time to get right & head into the playoffs on a 4 game winning streak or risk ceding the AFCW crown.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And the refs specifically said that they don’t give warnings when the violation is that egregious. Rather than be thankful that refs have been lenient with his team and given them warnings on close violations in the past, Reid and the Chiefs chose to go scorched earth and complain when the refs couldn’t overlook an egregious violation.
From Reid’s response today and his admittance that Toney never looked to the ref to verify he was onside, I’m guessing he realized that he was in the wrong when he had a chance to cool down.
We know that if they really looked for it, refs could probably call holding on every single play. But obvious holds should be called every time and coaches would be wrong to complain that refs usually let less obvious holds go and then call them for the obvious one.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Mahomes apologizes for the way he responded to Josh after the game.
Good for him, it was the right thing to do and he owned it even saying that it wasn’t a good example for kids to see.
Good for him, it was the right thing to do and he owned it even saying that it wasn’t a good example for kids to see.
eighsse2
Footballguy
That's cool of him, I respect that.
BroncosFan07
Footballguy
I was listening to 810 radio in KC radio and Trent Green also said that he’s not heard of a ref giving warnings to wide receivers. He said they would warn offensive lineman though.
For sure Toney has to line up correctly.
But I understand the frustrations with consistency.
But I understand the frustrations with consistency.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Yes, the refs are calling it this year, but it seems like another rule that nobody will know when it will be called by these glorious NFL officials. Add it to the inconsistency pile.
ChiefD
Footballguy
The part that bothers me about it is it gives the refs another tool to make a game seem fishy. Just like these late defensive holding or illegal contact calls we seem to get EVERY close game.
I put that call last night in the Titans/Dolphins game in the same category. Delay of game on a defensive shift? What the hell was THAT??
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Probably a discussion for its own thread, but if “consistency” means calling a penalty on every play, would fans be ok with that? I have always felt there is some sort of infraction on every snap. Should the refs call them all? If not, which ones should they call? The most egregious ones? The ones that occur on big plays? The ones that would overturn a turnover? The ones that resulted in an injury? Only the ones in the last two minutes?
In this case, Toney being called for offsides coincidentally resulted in a TD being called back. If Mahomes sailed the ball over Kelce’s head for an incompletion, no one would be up in arms over the offsides penalty.
My fear is if the refs call every late hit. Every hold. Every hands to the face. Every delay of game. Games will start lasting 4+ hours, the games will even more be deemed to have been decided by the refs, and teams will have no momentum with all the stoppages in play. Would that be better than the inconsistency we see a lot now?
crushedspirit
Footballguy
But unlike a subjective holding call, this truly seems like a simple automatic call before anyone is even moving. There is an official who is lined up just to see infractions like this easily.
For me this rule falls under "call it always" category. Sure they'll miss the odd one here and there, but this rule doesn't seem like it should fall into the "call whenever" category.
For me this rule falls under "call it always" category. Sure they'll miss the odd one here and there, but this rule doesn't seem like it should fall into the "call whenever" category.
Nugget
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The underlying issue here is that the league has too many rules. I get that a lot of them are in place because of safety, but the game is incredibly difficult to officiate because of it.
