Blake Bortles - Official Thread (2 Viewers)

[ShaHBucks]

Blaine Bortles

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm on board with the rest of you haters this week. Playing Houston's defense with extreme confidence in a W17 title game.

Hoping for a shutout. Get 'em next year, kid!

 

[Raider Nation]

Of course, THIS will be the game he goes for 400/4 TDs.

 

[Faust]

Experience has helped Blake Bortles cut down interceptions:

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/10521/experience-has-helped-blake-bortles-cut-down-interceptions

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'm on board with the rest of you haters this week. Playing Houston's defense with extreme confidence in a W17 title game.

Hoping for a shutout. Get 'em next year, kid!

I'm not sure if Watt lets him out alive.

 

[Raider Nation]

He'll have months to heal up.

 

[ShaHBucks]

 

[Faust]

Blake Bortles must improve or Jaguars' offense won't:

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/10582/blake-bortles-must-improve-or-offense-wont

 

[Faust]

Jaguars QB Blake Bortles maps out offseason plans:

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/10620/blake-bortles-maps-out-his-offseason-plans

 

[Raider Nation]

Jags fire their OC.

I TOLD YOU none of this was Blake's fault. They just didn't have any X's and O's guys who could best utilize his brilliant skill set.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Yeah that was the whole problem. Dumb OC!

 

[Raider Nation]

You'll see what a monster this kid is when Trestman comes on board. Like night and day, I'm telling you right now. Especially if they welcome Blackmon back.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

 

[Raider Nation]

Laugh while you can, I guess.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I don't understand why Gus didn't just tell Fisch what he actually wanted. That is a mild concern to me.

 

[Bojang0301]

I don't understand the hate... He they wanted him to stop throwing picks and so he stopped throwing long. He has the arm to do so, he needs to learn how to manage the game better and take shots when they are available not every turn of the hat. I think he looks very much like Big Ben and even played similar to him (when asked to reduce his turnovers and in his first year) on a far worse football team.

 

[Faust]

Bradley says OC change worth the risk to Blake Bortles' development:

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/10650/bradley-says-oc-change-worth-the-risk-to-blake-bortles-development

 

[Raider Nation]

I'd love to see them make the read-option a huge part of the offense. Bortles is athletic enough to make it work and we've seen him gain yards in chunks on the ground. He's also big enough to absorb the occasional big hit. This would also open things up in the passing game.

 

[Mingooch]

Get him an O Line and you will see a change. Plus with the young WRs developing, he will be good.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'd like to see him run an offense similar to Cam's in Carolina. Bortles had 419 yards rushing in 13 starts, in an offense which didn't heavily utilize designed QB runs. Newton had 529 yards rushing in 14 starts in an offense which did.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Get him an O Line and you will see a change. Plus with the young WRs developing, he will be good.

 

[Raider Nation]

Get him an O Line and you will see a change. Plus with the young WRs developing, he will be good.

I've been saying that for 13 pages. Where is my GD ?!?!?!

 

[Raiderfan32904]

 

[ShaHBucks]

He's as bad as Gabbert and Geno. He should have had like 3-4 INTs this game if they weren't dropped. He has no feel for the position. Another flameout...

Ouch. I don't think he deserves to be compared to Gabbert. Bortles is a football player...Gabbert was a sissy. Bortles will motivate his team and be a leader. I'm willing to give him a little more of a leash than Gabbert. I knew when they drafted Gabbert that they would regret that pick. I'm more optimistic on Bortles. Give him an off season to work on the playbook and timing with his young WRs and I'd expect a solid leap next year. They will have another high pick to add (hopefully a stud O-lineman...look what Boselli did for the Jags!) to their cabinet.

This year is just a learning curve for Bortles. I'll judge more harshly in 2015 if he doesn't show improvement.

I think he, and a few posters here, earned it. He's one of the worse young QBs to come into the league lately... along with Gabbert and Geno ect.. He's going to kill the value of his young WRs(I'm a Shorts and Robinson fan, just not with Bortles). At best he's a boarder line starter. I don't see it in his play or his numbers to suggest otherwise.

There is no comparison to gabbert. None. Bortles has stepped up in the pocket more in 7 starts than Gabbert has his entire career. Gabbert's rookie year, he was averaging 147 yards passing per game. While Bortles' QB rating is a pedestrian 72, Gabbert's rookie rating was 65. Bortles is actually completing passes at a 63% clip. Gabbert's rookie passing pct was 50.8.

Bortles is killing the value of the young WR? What was ARobinson/Hurns/MLee value after Game 2? And how about this crazy idea - Maybe the fact that the offense is predominately rookies and 2nd year players might take just a little while to gel. Really the only offensive starters with multiple years of starting experience are Beadles and the oft-injured Shorts. People laughed when the Jags said they wanted to let him sit all year. "Play the kid so he can learn." Well, he's getting some hard lessons.

Absolutely, I'm concerned about his decision-making. Ironically, after several risky throws that should have been picked, he says his end zone INT was meant to be thrown away but he didn't get enough on it.

Bortles was better at getting sacked and throwing picks than Gabbert was in year 1. He was also worse at throwing TDs while throwing more total passes. QB rate ended up being 65.4 to 69.5. Bortles gets the nod in comp% ending with 58.9%. This is just as bad a pick as Gabbert was. It's not the coach. He stinks, but there will be nothing but excuses made for him.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'd like to see him run an offense similar to Cam's in Carolina. Bortles had 419 yards rushing in 13 starts, in an offense which didn't heavily utilize designed QB runs. Newton had 529 yards rushing in 14 starts in an offense which did.

You want to model an offense around Carolina?

 

[cstu]

I'd like to see him run an offense similar to Cam's in Carolina. Bortles had 419 yards rushing in 13 starts, in an offense which didn't heavily utilize designed QB runs. Newton had 529 yards rushing in 14 starts in an offense which did.

You want to model an offense around Carolina?

For fantasy, yes.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'd like to see him run an offense similar to Cam's in Carolina. Bortles had 419 yards rushing in 13 starts, in an offense which didn't heavily utilize designed QB runs. Newton had 529 yards rushing in 14 starts in an offense which did.

You want to model an offense around Carolina?

For fantasy, yes.

He not as good a passer or runner as Cam. Not even close

 

[DocHolliday]

That is true.

Bortles has some potential though. He needs an Oline. Bad.

 

[Sabertooth]

That is true.

Bortles has some potential though. He needs an Oline. Bad.

One or two weak links get eliminated and a line can improve in a hurry.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'd like to see him run an offense similar to Cam's in Carolina. Bortles had 419 yards rushing in 13 starts, in an offense which didn't heavily utilize designed QB runs. Newton had 529 yards rushing in 14 starts in an offense which did.

You want to model an offense around Carolina?

For fantasy, yes.

He not as good a passer or runner as Cam. Not even close

Cam peaked as a rookie. I don't think Bortles has come close to his peak yet.

 

[cstu]

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD FANT PT1 Robert Griffin qb 2012 22 1 15 259 394 3211 8.15 20 5 118 833 7.06 7 360.92 Russell Wilson qb 2012 24 1 16 252 393 3118 7.93 26 10 94 489 5.20 4 322.83 Cam Newton qb 2011 22 1 16 310 517 4051 7.84 21 17 126 706 5.60 14 426.94 Fran Tarkenton qb 1961 21 1 14 157 280 1997 7.13 18 17 56 308 5.50 5 215.75 Michael Vick qb 2001 21 1 8 50 113 785 6.95 2 3 29 300 10.34 1 80.36 Geno Smith qb 2013 23 1 16 247 443 3046 6.88 12 21 72 366 5.08 6 253.27 Vince Young qb 2006 23 1 15 184 357 2199 6.16 12 13 83 552 6.65 7 242.28 Blake Bortles qb 2014 23 1 14 280 475 2907 6.12 11 17 56 419 7.48 0 214.39 Troy Aikman qb 1989 23 1 11 155 293 1749 5.97 9 18 38 302 7.95 0 135.710 Rick Mirer qb 1993 23 1 16 274 486 2833 5.83 12 17 68 343 5.04 3 225.011 Bobby Douglass qb 1969 22 1 11 68 148 773 5.22 5 8 51 408 8.00 2 103.512 Donovan McNabb qb 1999 23 1 12 106 216 948 4.39 8 7 47 313 6.66 0 103.7Rookie RB's who've rushed for 300+ yards, sorted by YPA.

Bortles had the 2nd highest YPR of QB's who threw more than 150 passes - would not have guessed Aikman (7.95 YPR) was 1st.

Narrowing it down to 150+ passes and 6+ YPR shows Griffin, Young, Bortles, Aikman and McNabb.

All this tells me is that Bortles' career could go anywhere from Young to Aikman/McNabb.

 

[ShaHBucks]

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD FANT PT1 Robert Griffin qb 2012 22 1 15 259 394 3211 8.15 20 5 118 833 7.06 7 360.92 Russell Wilson qb 2012 24 1 16 252 393 3118 7.93 26 10 94 489 5.20 4 322.83 Cam Newton qb 2011 22 1 16 310 517 4051 7.84 21 17 126 706 5.60 14 426.94 Fran Tarkenton qb 1961 21 1 14 157 280 1997 7.13 18 17 56 308 5.50 5 215.75 Michael Vick qb 2001 21 1 8 50 113 785 6.95 2 3 29 300 10.34 1 80.36 Geno Smith qb 2013 23 1 16 247 443 3046 6.88 12 21 72 366 5.08 6 253.27 Vince Young qb 2006 23 1 15 184 357 2199 6.16 12 13 83 552 6.65 7 242.28 Blake Bortles qb 2014 23 1 14 280 475 2907 6.12 11 17 56 419 7.48 0 214.39 Troy Aikman qb 1989 23 1 11 155 293 1749 5.97 9 18 38 302 7.95 0 135.710 Rick Mirer qb 1993 23 1 16 274 486 2833 5.83 12 17 68 343 5.04 3 225.011 Bobby Douglass qb 1969 22 1 11 68 148 773 5.22 5 8 51 408 8.00 2 103.512 Donovan McNabb qb 1999 23 1 12 106 216 948 4.39 8 7 47 313 6.66 0 103.7Rookie RB's who've rushed for 300+ yards, sorted by YPA.

Bortles had the 2nd highest YPR of QB's who threw more than 150 passes - would not have guessed Aikman (7.95 YPR) was 1st.

Narrowing it down to 150+ passes and 6+ YPR shows Griffin, Young, Bortles, Aikman and McNabb.

All this tells me is that Bortles' career could go anywhere from Young to Aikman/McNabb.

From someone with a background in statistics, this is not how it works at all when it comes to predicting outcomes or correlation.

He's not Cam Newton as a runner. Cam has basically been the goal line back in Car since he was drafted. No way Bortles replicates Newton's TDs or attempts... ever.

He is not even Cam as a passer. It's not even worth mentioning. He's more Gabbert/Geno(like I said months ago) than Newton.

He went from Big Ben to Cam Newton that fast? wow

 

[cstu]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

 

[Raider Nation]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Welcome to my world.

And when did Cam Newton become the gold standard for passing? Suggesting that Bortles couldn't approach Newton's production as a passer is just silly.

 

[ShaHBucks]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Welcome to my world.

And when did Cam Newton become the gold standard for passing? Suggesting that Bortles couldn't approach Newton's production as a passer is just silly.

Cam is far from a gold standard. I don't think Bortles will become an average NFL passer, which Cam has been for the most part of his career. He'll be forgotten by then

 

[ShaHBucks]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Well just keep comparing him to QBs from the 1960's. The game hasn't changed at all.

 

[Raider Nation]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Welcome to my world.

And when did Cam Newton become the gold standard for passing? Suggesting that Bortles couldn't approach Newton's production as a passer is just silly.

Cam is far from a gold standard. I don't think Bortles will become an average NFL passer, which Cam has been for the most part of his career. He'll be forgotten by then

<----- You don't need to use that guy in every post. It doesn't hide the fact that your arguments are terrible.

 

[ShaHBucks]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Welcome to my world. And when did Cam Newton become the gold standard for passing? Suggesting that Bortles couldn't approach Newton's production as a passer is just silly.

Cam is far from a gold standard. I don't think Bortles will become an average NFL passer, which Cam has been for the most part of his career. He'll be forgotten by then

<----- You don't need to use that guy in every post. It doesn't hide the fact that your arguments are terrible.

This is my Blain Bortles face This is not an argument. No wonder you're all emotional and present 0 factual information.

 

[Raider Nation]

Sorry, I don't have a "statistical background." I just know football.

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[cstu]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Well just keep comparing him to QBs from the 1960's. The game hasn't changed at all.

I'm older than I thought if Aikman and McNabb played in the 60's.

 

[ShaHBucks]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Well just keep comparing him to QBs from the 1960's. The game hasn't changed at all.

I'm older than I thought if Aikman and McNabb played in the 60's.

You put up a chart with two players from the 60s. Wtf are you talking about?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Sorry, I don't have a "statistical background." I just know football.

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No, you don't. You'll be know for endorsing Gabbert reincarnated. Nuff said

 

[Raider Nation]

Sorry, I don't have a "statistical background." I just know football.

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No, you don't. You'll be know for endorsing Gabbert reincarnated. Nuff said

Go make a few graphs or something. Men are talking football.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Sorry, I don't have a "statistical background." I just know football.

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No, you don't. You'll be know for endorsing Gabbert reincarnated. Nuff said

Go make a few graphs or something. Men are talking football.

 

[cstu]

From someone with a background in statistics

but not in reading.

Well just keep comparing him to QBs from the 1960's. The game hasn't changed at all.

I'm older than I thought if Aikman and McNabb played in the 60's.

You put up a chart with two players from the 60s. Wtf are you talking about?

Happy?

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD FANT PT1 Robert Griffin qb 2012 22 1 15 259 394 3211 8.15 20 5 118 833 7.06 7 360.92 Russell Wilson qb 2012 24 1 16 252 393 3118 7.93 26 10 94 489 5.20 4 322.83 Cam Newton qb 2011 22 1 16 310 517 4051 7.84 21 17 126 706 5.60 14 426.94 Michael Vick qb 2001 21 1 8 50 113 785 6.95 2 3 29 300 10.34 1 80.35 Geno Smith qb 2013 23 1 16 247 443 3046 6.88 12 21 72 366 5.08 6 253.26 Vince Young qb 2006 23 1 15 184 357 2199 6.16 12 13 83 552 6.65 7 242.27 Blake Bortles qb 2014 23 1 14 280 475 2907 6.12 11 17 56 419 7.48 0 214.38 Troy Aikman qb 1989 23 1 11 155 293 1749 5.97 9 18 38 302 7.95 0 135.70 Rick Mirer qb 1993 23 1 16 274 486 2833 5.83 12 17 68 343 5.04 3 225.010 Donovan McNabb qb 1999 23 1 12 106 216 948 4.39 8 7 47 313 6.66 0 103.7Since 1970.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL Films guru Greg Cosell believes Blake Bortles "got into some bad habits" as a rookie, and the Jaguars "probably need to start over with him with the basics."

This was the fear when Bortles was coming out of UCF. He was extremely raw, drawing comparisons from as low as Jake Locker to as high as Andrew Luck. He looked like a Locker clone as a rookie, showing plus athleticism with long bouts of inconsistent accuracy. New Jaguars OC Greg Olson has a strong background in developing quarterbacks, and he gets yet another project in Bortles. The 23-year-old should benefit from a full offseason.

Source: Paul Kuharsky on Twitter

 

[ShaHBucks]

 

[SacramentoBob]

This has Troy Aikman written all over it.

 

[Tool]

Are you 11?

 

[Faust]

Cosell: Jags 'probably need to start over' with Bortles