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Blocking Your Opponent - Thoughts? (1 Viewer)

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I think a massive distinction exists that I'm not sure people are properly differentiating between leagues that you can sit and pick up and drop players at your leisure to the point you can wipe out a whole position versus a blind bid waiver system or system where waivers run on a set schedule a few times a week.

I relayed the story about trying to empty out the QB market in a blind bid waivers league which runs Wednesday and Sunday morning. I have one league that after the first waiver run it's FCFS. I would never think it's ok to sit and wipe out a position in that format.
I run a few redraft/dynasty leagues that have blind waivers Wed and Friday and then FCFS after. Way back in the stone age in the 90s when we had waiver runs by last to 1st followed by FCFS we had a simple rule in the playoffs if you picked up someone in the playoffs you had to put them in your lineup. That ended any chance of someone wiping a position.
Then when I started using an online site to run my league in 2009 we changed the rules to blind bidding Wed, Fri then FCFS with the rule if you pick up a player he must stay on your roster for 24 hours. So if the other team is asleep at the wheel and lets you pick up all the guys that is on him but you still can't pick up drop pick up drop you have to roster for 24 hours.
 
A lot of people will hate this, but...

picked up Haskins as protection against Henry (my player).

Just dropped Haskins and added Malik Davis because I think he's a better play.


Not an intentional churn, but I can see where it might be interpreted that way. I did notice that Haskins is currently in locked status. I don't really agree with that and considering that we're using a premium website, I would think that there should be a way to leave Haskins unlocked if he was held for less than 48 hours.

If my opponent wanted to play Haskins and petitioned the commish to add him for this game, I would fully support it. Not an intentional churn and burn.
 
As many have said, this is a perfectly acceptable strategy.

I, however, specifically DIDN'T block my opponent (who has Henry) from picking up Haskins. Because I don't think he'll do much tonight, so enjoy those 6 points!
 
I would answer “it depends” if that were an option. I remember a situation that was uncool. Free agency opened at midnight. One of the teams in the finals had a couple of guys banged up or going to sit that week out.

The way our waivers worked, anyone dropped would get frozen until the following week. At 12:01, the opponent of the team with missing players started adding and dropping every unrostered player that had any chance of doing anything that week.

Technically, that was not against the rules. The league by laws did not limit the number of adds and drops each week (that changed the following season). That owner said rules are rules, and he wasn’t doing anything illegal.

Thankfully that team ended up losing, and that owner was voted out of the league. But that was one bush league way to try to win.
Locking roster players in that fashion is totally against the spirit of the rule. We had a couple of owners who thought it was kosher so the next year we made a rule that you HAD to keep a player you picked up for the week. That rule ended up being far too punitive when a player who was picked up got injured before the games started. The new rule the following year was: Since every player who was being picked up through FCFS obviously had cleared waivers any player who has been picked up throughFCFS and subsequently dropped that week was immediately available to any team that wanted then. At that point the vast majority of the adds then drops stopped since there was no longer any incentive to trying to get players locked by...say....picking up then dropping every single defense.
 
I put "probably ok" because there are situation where it wouldn't be ok. For example, a team not playing for the title or money or draft pick that just picks him up because he is playing out the string for nothing. Another example would be roster churn where they are picking up and dropping many players to block all players from being picked up. In those cases it would not be ok.

But for the other title contender to see the situation and pick up that player to keep them away from his opponent it is just fine provided it is within the rules already established.

100% agree roster churning should not be allowed i.e. picking up players and immediately releasing them so they go back on waivers. On MFL you can setup the rules so that any player your pickup has to stay on your roster for 24 hours (or 48 hours, 72 hours, etc.). Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to allow you to cut players within 24 hours and not have them go back onto waivers. If anyone in my league ever did roster churn, I would give them a warning and then just manually unlock all the players who were churned making them free agents again. I'd probably then have the league vote in the offseason whether or not to require any player you pickup to stay on your roster for at least 24 hours.

Blocking a player from someone is totally fair though in my opinion though. Last week I picked up the Jacksonville Defense (playing Houston this week) in my dynasty league even though I didn't even make the playoffs. I own the 2023 first and second round picks of one of the teams that was in the semi-finals. I didn't like the matchups for their defenses at all in week 17 and wanted to block them from picking up the Jaguars if they advanced to the finals which they did. Draft picks for playoff teams are determined by playoff placement so I certainly have incentive to increase this team's chances of losing even if what I did makes it slightly more likely they lose. There isn't a huge difference between the 1.11 and the 2.11 vs. the 1.12 and the 2.12 but it's something.
 
Yeah, this is definitely okay assuming that you're not churning. Your opponent made a calculated gamble not to handcuff Henry. That's a reasonable decision on his part, but he can't complain when it comes up snake eyes.
 
To me this is obviously fine and reflected in the 9/10 (per voting on 12/29) are totally fine with this. I now will comment at the 1/10 and call you babies...

Its fair as long as it doesn't go against the rules and if it did go against the rules I would likely not play in that league or see it as not very competitive/fun... aka for babies.
 
As many have said, this is a perfectly acceptable strategy.

I, however, specifically DIDN'T block my opponent (who has Henry) from picking up Haskins. Because I don't think he'll do much tonight, so enjoy those 6 points!

Henry owner here. Knew I was making the playoffs around week 8 and had Hilliard on my bench for safety, all the way up to him going on IR. When Hillard went out... I gambled on not backing up Henry. Once the playoffs start, only 6 teams play in week 15 and 4 teams in week 16 and 17... so not much competition on the waiver wire if something happened. Decided to take my chances and optimize my roster space for the postseason in other ways.

Now? I'm specifically NOT picking up Haskins in hopes my opponent wastes a spot on him trying to outsmart me. Go ahead buddy, he's all yours, please do.
 
I am totally on board with blocking opponent. My opponent as LJackson and CWentz as his only QBs. I picked up Bridgwater as the only available QB and will drop him on Sunday for a flyer for the offseason. Wouldn't consider this as so much of a block because he did have opportunity to pick up Teddy. Just in case he changes his mind about Wentz, well, now he can't.
 
I am totally on board with blocking opponent. My opponent as LJackson and CWentz as his only QBs. I picked up Bridgwater as the only available QB and will drop him on Sunday for a flyer for the offseason. Wouldn't consider this as so much of a block because he did have opportunity to pick up Teddy. Just in case he changes his mind about Wentz, well, now he can't.
I presume this is a dynasty league considering you said "will drop him for a flyer for the offseason". I think a pickup is valid as long as you keep the player on your roster for 24-48 hours after you grab them so your plan seems totally fair to me.
 
Technically, that was not against the rules. The league by laws did not limit the number of adds and drops each week (that changed the following season). That owner said rules are rules, and he wasn’t doing anything illegal.
This is why commishes are commishes. Technically or no, this would never fly in my leagues. There's never a "use the website mechanics to screw your opponent at no cost to you" in the spirit of the rule of any of my leagues. That falls into the "if you have to ask" category, and anything in that category is off limits.

And yes, picking up a handcuff to an RB is fully legit for a team playing for the title, it's not even really a question.
 
Yes if league rules allow it…my long time dynasty league doesn’t allow any pickups once the playoffs started. We have a 22 man roster so you have to cover your bases
 
Fully legit IMO.

I pulled a bit more of a jerk move. All my studs crapped out last week and I had my lowest score all year by far and lost. So I’m playing in the consolation game this week.

A guy in the championship game has always played with the rules a bit and has taken things to stupid, IMO pointless, degrees. Often dropping his defense each week, picking up a RB or WR as a speculative add through waivers, and then waiting until right before Sunday games to drop a position player and grab a defense.

He’s doing the same this week in the championship game. So screw him. I just dropped all the guys I’m not planning on keeping and loaded up on all the top projected fantasy defenses. Good luck starting the Commanders in the championship game because you were playing roster games! :bye:
 
So I was able to find 3 open spots and picked up Wentz, Purdy again who I had cut last week and Darnold(screwed up and forgot about Teddy B).
To me this is bordering on not being cool. Picking up one guy for sure fair game. Two guys is pushing it but not terrible but once you start getting up to 3 or 4 guys it is bordering on roster churn and heading into the not cool zone for me.
I agree here that picking up more than 2 FA that could “fit your roster or lineup” is about the limit. Beyond that it’s obvious you are manipulating the system.
 
Fully legit IMO.

I pulled a bit more of a jerk move. All my studs crapped out last week and I had my lowest score all year by far and lost. So I’m playing in the consolation game this week.

A guy in the championship game has always played with the rules a bit and has taken things to stupid, IMO pointless, degrees. Often dropping his defense each week, picking up a RB or WR as a speculative add through waivers, and then waiting until right before Sunday games to drop a position player and grab a defense.

He’s doing the same this week in the championship game. So screw him. I just dropped all the guys I’m not planning on keeping and loaded up on all the top projected fantasy defenses. Good luck starting the Commanders in the championship game because you were playing roster games! :bye:

I do this with kickers, especially early in the year, don't have one on my roster until Saturday so I can hold an extra guy until the final injury report is in.

However, I have very strict rules about it. There have to be at least 3 kickers I like equally on waivers, where I'd be happy with any of them. If an opponent takes one of my targrts, then I instantly grab one of the others. That way I still have the ability to decide later between the guy I have and the third on the wire. I don't want an opponent making the decision for me by leaving me only one left of the three. I'd never let what you did happen to me, and never in the Championship game ;) Not really a need for a bench this week.
 
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So I was able to find 3 open spots and picked up Wentz, Purdy again who I had cut last week and Darnold(screwed up and forgot about Teddy B).
To me this is bordering on not being cool. Picking up one guy for sure fair game. Two guys is pushing it but not terrible but once you start getting up to 3 or 4 guys it is bordering on roster churn and heading into the not cool zone for me.
Someone did this to me last week. They picked up 5 QBs in a 1QB dynasty league when my only 2 were Hurts and Mike White, by bidding $1 more than what I had on his top 5. I was not salty at that, but was a bit salty when he dropped them all right before the games started and they were still locked. Feels like he at least should have to hold them through the games, but oh well

But it all worked out when Mac Jones outscored 3 of the guys he blocked me on and I won by 3 points 😂

i don't have an issue with people doing it. I don't really think about doing it except in cases of 1 backup to replace a starter, like Justin Jackson last year.
 
The 2 leagues I run is the last waiver wire is on Thursday before playoffs .....and then its' Run what You Brung.....no pickups
 
Fully legit IMO.

I pulled a bit more of a jerk move. All my studs crapped out last week and I had my lowest score all year by far and lost. So I’m playing in the consolation game this week.

A guy in the championship game has always played with the rules a bit and has taken things to stupid, IMO pointless, degrees. Often dropping his defense each week, picking up a RB or WR as a speculative add through waivers, and then waiting until right before Sunday games to drop a position player and grab a defense.

He’s doing the same this week in the championship game. So screw him. I just dropped all the guys I’m not planning on keeping and loaded up on all the top projected fantasy defenses. Good luck starting the Commanders in the championship game because you were playing roster games! :bye:
I don't see anything wrong with what your league mate does, he doesn't value defenses as much as others, so he's willing to go with the 12th or so best defense. You can do the same (as can everyone else. I do think what you did was petty and helps / hurts another team instead of trying to give your team the best chance to win.
 
just dropped Brady for another DST even though I had Cowboys last night. They have Cardinals DST and might be content using them but if I feel there’s better options out there I have no issues doing it.

I then plan on dropping a few more players I’m not using at 1pm tomorrow for other free agent options I think improve his lineup.

In fairness he’s had 2-3 days to pick up any of these players.
 
Years ago, in a fantasy baseball league I realized I could manipulate the sites URL and view the transactions page from everyone’s point of view… I was able to see who was proposing trades to other teams, and other teams priorities on waiver moves (before processing). It probably helped me a couple of times when setting my own waiver priority and also probably helped me a couple of times in trade negotiations since I knew how some players were being valued.

I admitted to this years later, and we all got a good laugh out of it (we weren’t playing for money)
 
I remember years ago, I got too cute with my roster early in the regular season in a Yahoo dynasty league. Decided to stash Jerick McKinnon his rookie year (the SPARQ darling of the time) instead of a kicker for one week early in the season, and waited to see what happened in the early slate of games before deciding who I’d drop for a kicker later on. I wasn’t sure who I wanted to keep more.

My biggest rival (who I wasn’t facing that week) saw it as an opportunity to screw me over so he picked up the only two remaining kickers I could’ve used that night before I got a chance to make my decision. Ended up losing my matchup that week by a close margin due to the goose egg in the empty kicker slot, and that loss ended up being the difference that cost me a playoff berth. My only solace looking back was knowing that spared me the indignity of losing to him in the semifinals had I qualified for it.

I was pissed off at the guy for doing that (especially because he had asked me not to use a stream SP against him on the last day in a fantasy baseball championship years prior, when I had him on the ropes, and me being a good sport at his request cost me the matchup) but nobody felt bad for me because I’d won so much in that league in prior years.

The lesson for me was not to get too cute with my own roster if there’s a chance another manager will screw me over. But it also taught me to go for the throat when the opportunity presents itself because my competition has and would do the same to me.
 
Playing finals against my best friend's wife and picked up Haskins. She's the Henry owner with zero viable replacements and is now livid. I plan on dropping him at 8:14:59 PM EST this evening.
Now THIS is shady and shouldn't be allowed. Sounds like roster churning just to lock players.

Or would he become a free agent right at 8:14 first come first serve?

Looks like it backfired anyways, would have been fantastic for you if she started Haskins.
 
This week another of the teams in the final 4 lost their only QB, Carr. I also knew the guy probably wanted to upgrade on Foles. So I was able to find 3 open spots and picked up Wentz, Purdy again who I had cut last week and Darnold(screwed up and forgot about Teddy B). The Carr team ended up with Teddy B and the guy I've been a thorn in his side for weeks ended up with McCoy

Some of you might not like my approach but this ended up being the difference and winning the league for me.
 
I see nothing wrong with this.

Fantasy Football is a game of a lot of things. Stats, matchups, decisions, etc. But it's also a game of preparedness and range out of outcomes.

A guy I was playing had Kyler Murray at QB listed as questionable going into Monday night. The matchup was close. Since it was Monday night, his backup had played. He didn't roster Colt McCoy. When I realized this close matchup could come down to whether or not Murray played--I took McCoy off the FA pool. He knew he was going into a Monday night matchup with no alternative. Should have prepared better.

You've got to think through what happens if...

And if you don't, it's not on the guy who did.
 
You're in the finals & your opponent has Derrick Henry.
You drop a player so you can pick up Hassan Haskins to block your opponent.
Thoughts?

Absolutely OK. The goal is to win, correct?

If you're playing Monopoly and someone lands on and purchases Boardwalk... then you come by and land on Park Place... do you consider NOT buying as to not interfere with your opponent's hotel plans? Come on.
 
Playing finals against my best friend's wife and picked up Haskins. She's the Henry owner with zero viable replacements and is now livid. I plan on dropping him at 8:14:59 PM EST this evening.
Now THIS is shady and shouldn't be allowed. Sounds like roster churning just to lock players.

Or would he become a free agent right at 8:14 first come first serve?

Looks like it backfired anyways, would have been fantastic for you if she started Haskins.
It wound up being the difference in the matchup her not having Haskins 💪 She was forced to start Khalil Herbert and I wound up winning by less than 2 points

Haskins became available FCFS at 8:14.

League Championship 🏆
 
Playing finals against my best friend's wife and picked up Haskins. She's the Henry owner with zero viable replacements and is now livid. I plan on dropping him at 8:14:59 PM EST this evening.
Now THIS is shady and shouldn't be allowed. Sounds like roster churning just to lock players.

Or would he become a free agent right at 8:14 first come first serve?

Looks like it backfired anyways, would have been fantastic for you if she started Haskins.
It wound up being the difference in the matchup her not having Haskins 💪 She was forced to start Khalil Herbert and I wound up winning by less than 2 points

Haskins became available FCFS at 8:14.

League Championship 🏆
Shady.
 
Playing finals against my best friend's wife and picked up Haskins. She's the Henry owner with zero viable replacements and is now livid. I plan on dropping him at 8:14:59 PM EST this evening.
Now THIS is shady and shouldn't be allowed. Sounds like roster churning just to lock players.

Or would he become a free agent right at 8:14 first come first serve?

Looks like it backfired anyways, would have been fantastic for you if she started Haskins.
It wound up being the difference in the matchup her not having Haskins 💪 She was forced to start Khalil Herbert and I wound up winning by less than 2 points

Haskins became available FCFS at 8:14.

League Championship 🏆
Shady.

Stop it.
 
Playing finals against my best friend's wife and picked up Haskins. She's the Henry owner with zero viable replacements and is now livid. I plan on dropping him at 8:14:59 PM EST this evening.
Now THIS is shady and shouldn't be allowed. Sounds like roster churning just to lock players.

Or would he become a free agent right at 8:14 first come first serve?

Looks like it backfired anyways, would have been fantastic for you if she started Haskins.
It wound up being the difference in the matchup her not having Haskins 💪 She was forced to start Khalil Herbert and I wound up winning by less than 2 points

Haskins became available FCFS at 8:14.

League Championship 🏆
Shady.

Stop it.
haha stop what? I think it's shady to grab a guy just to drop him right at kickoff. It's basically roster churning for those weird leagues that are fcfs after a drop.

IF Craig picked Haskens up to block his opponent and kept him on his roster, I'd have no problem with it.

Just my opinion.
 
Playing finals against my best friend's wife and picked up Haskins. She's the Henry owner with zero viable replacements and is now livid. I plan on dropping him at 8:14:59 PM EST this evening.
Now THIS is shady and shouldn't be allowed. Sounds like roster churning just to lock players.

Or would he become a free agent right at 8:14 first come first serve?

Looks like it backfired anyways, would have been fantastic for you if she started Haskins.
It wound up being the difference in the matchup her not having Haskins 💪 She was forced to start Khalil Herbert and I wound up winning by less than 2 points

Haskins became available FCFS at 8:14.

League Championship 🏆
Shady.

Stop it.
haha stop what? I think it's shady to grab a guy just to drop him right at kickoff. It's basically roster churning for those weird leagues that are fcfs after a drop.

IF Craig picked Haskens up to block his opponent and kept him on his roster, I'd have no problem with it.

Just my opinion.

It's only churning if the player goes to waivers and is unable to be picked back up again. His opponent had 30 seconds to pick him up and wasn't prepared (aside from being unprepared in the first place). Great move that won a championship.
 
It's only churning if the player goes to waivers and is unable to be picked back up again. His opponent had 30 seconds to pick him up and wasn't prepared (aside from being unprepared in the first place). Great move that won a championship.
Ah, cmon man. Giving someone 30 seconds (who knows if the email would even hit that persons phone in time) is the same in essence as having the player locked.

Not sure why he even dropped the player in the first place, unless he was going kickerless up until kickoff, it's not like he would need another bench player anyways.
 
It's only churning if the player goes to waivers and is unable to be picked back up again. His opponent had 30 seconds to pick him up and wasn't prepared (aside from being unprepared in the first place). Great move that won a championship.
Ah, cmon man. Giving someone 30 seconds (who knows if the email would even hit that persons phone in time) is the same in essence as having the player locked.

Not sure why he even dropped the player in the first place, unless he was going kickerless up until kickoff, it's not like he would need another bench player anyways.

I'm not sure either, but now I'm curious.

I grabbed 3 extra QBs this past weekend (already had two on my roster) and think I influenced my opponent in to starting Foles (had Hurts as his main QB and I grabbed Minshew the week prior). We were battling it out for 2nd place in Total Points. The only difference is that I held on to all QBs through the match (and had to drop Darren Waller)
 
It's only churning if the player goes to waivers and is unable to be picked back up again. His opponent had 30 seconds to pick him up and wasn't prepared (aside from being unprepared in the first place). Great move that won a championship.
Ah, cmon man. Giving someone 30 seconds (who knows if the email would even hit that persons phone in time) is the same in essence as having the player locked.

Not sure why he even dropped the player in the first place, unless he was going kickerless up until kickoff, it's not like he would need another bench player anyways.

I'm not sure either, but now I'm curious.

I grabbed 3 extra QBs this past weekend (already had two on my roster) and think I influenced my opponent in to starting Foles (had Hurts as his main QB and I grabbed Minshew the week prior). We were battling it out for 2nd place in Total Points. The only difference is that I held on to all QBs through the match (and had to drop Darren Waller)
No issue with this. I dunno, dropping the player right before kick off (basically locking the player and not even having to use your own roster spot to do it) feels a little off to me.
 
I would answer “it depends” if that were an option. I remember a situation that was uncool. Free agency opened at midnight. One of the teams in the finals had a couple of guys banged up or going to sit that week out.

The way our waivers worked, anyone dropped would get frozen until the following week. At 12:01, the opponent of the team with missing players started adding and dropping every unrostered player that had any chance of doing anything that week.

Technically, that was not against the rules. The league by laws did not limit the number of adds and drops each week (that changed the following season). That owner said rules are rules, and he wasn’t doing anything illegal.

Thankfully that team ended up losing, and that owner was voted out of the league. But that was one bush league way to try to win.
Something similar happened in one of my leagues several years ago, but it was the commissioner who did it. I sent him a private "C'mon, man" email, and to his credit, he publicly apologized and made them all available again. Sometimes the competitive spirit gets the better of us. People accepted the apology (he was known for being a solid guy) and ended up being the commish for years afterward with no issues. Sometimes people recognize their mistakes. If not, your solution of kicking them out is the way to go.
 
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I have an unusual habit where, the last game of the season, I basically replace my entire bench as the games are played. If I'm not using a player on my bench whose game is an early game, I switch them out near the deadline for a late game/night game player. I mostly do it for myself, because I don't want to get stuck with a starter getting hurt in warmups or a questionable guy being declared a surprise inactive and having no shot at replacing them since my bench is already locked. But if it gives my opponent fewer options, I'm more than okay with that, too.
 
bigger crime here is letting GMs grab people off the waiver wire IN THE PLAYOFFS!

at some point, you gotta dance with who brung ya. so close waivers after week 13 for leagues ending on week 17, close it on week 10 for those ending on week 14. or even Thanksgiving.
like shooting fish in a barrel when there are only two teams picking off waivers in week 17 for the title game, and one has the first dibs on the wire. so ridiculous to allow this.
 
bigger crime here is letting GMs grab people off the waiver wire IN THE PLAYOFFS!

at some point, you gotta dance with who brung ya. so close waivers after week 13 for leagues ending on week 17, close it on week 10 for those ending on week 14. or even Thanksgiving.
like shooting fish in a barrel when there are only two teams picking off waivers in week 17 for the title game, and one has the first dibs on the wire. so ridiculous to allow this.
Strongly disagree. Even NFL teams have a pool of players they can sign and bring in even as late as the Super Bowl. You can't account for every injury or combination of injuries weeks in advance unless you have massive rosters...in which case there's nothing on waivers anyway.

I DO believe waivers should be closed to anyone NOT already in the playoffs
 

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